Oh yeah, definitely, but that’s across at least 40 or so hours per week. 8-12/g hour, on the conservative side. The players right now who have no problems champ training for hours upon hours will definitely take advantage. Your casual player, not so much.
Only reason why I’m releasing it is because it’s getting a bit too popular on top servers. It would be nice to spread out the playerbase on all servers to do it so that I don’t have to compete for loot all the time.
Sure prices will drop quite a bit, but having more opportunities would be favorable.
I’m surprised no one else has written a guide for it too. It’s incredibly simple and utilizes the game mechanics too
John, 1 chapter of your blogpost got me wondering:
*Mystic Forge
The Mystic Forge is going to get a lot of changes this year. To kick things off, we’re adjusting the way Zommoros distributes rare and exotic rewards a bit, allowing for more variation in output. This is just a stepping stone to further changes that will make the Mystic Forge a much better experience in the future. Please note: the rate of precursors will not be affected.*
The statement about the mystic goldspring (or toilet, whatever takes your fancy) is very obscure. Will there be a nerf or a buff related to rare and exotic output?
I guess you are not allowed to talk about it but i am wondering in general, if those changes will be included in the patch notes for the feature patch or not?
I am just asking because i have the impression that MF recipes dont get mentioned in the patch notes, for example the promotion recipe of watchwork sprockets to blade shards. If thats the case, is that an oversight or intentional because you want the player base to find out those recipes themselves?
If mystic forge recipes arent published on purpose because you want the player base to find them themselves, could you give a statement on how much mf recipes have been triggered until now and how much are still undiscovered?
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Bloin – Running around, tagging Keeps, getting whack on Scoobie Snacks.
I’m considering releasing my gold making guide next week John.
+500g a week, but doesn’t involve gold faucets at all. I sincerely hope you do not nerf it at all
Unless it involves farming, I don’t think it would do me any good.
If it doesn’t involve dungeon crawling, or spending my entire game time playing the TP I’ll buy it now!
Vini, Vidi, Vici, Viridis…I came, I saw, I conquered…I got a green??
John, 1 chapter of your blogpost got me wondering:
*Mystic Forge
The Mystic Forge is going to get a lot of changes this year. To kick things off, we’re adjusting the way Zommoros distributes rare and exotic rewards a bit, allowing for more variation in output. This is just a stepping stone to further changes that will make the Mystic Forge a much better experience in the future. Please note: the rate of precursors will not be affected.*
The statement about the mystic goldspring (or toilet, whatever takes your fancy) is very obscure. Will there be a nerf or a buff related to rare and exotic output?
I guess you are not allowed to talk about it but i am wondering in general, if those changes will be included in the patch notes for the feature patch or not?
I am just asking because i have the impression that MF recipes dont get mentioned in the patch notes, for example the promotion recipe of watchwork sprockets to blade shards. If thats the case, is that an oversight or intentional because you want the player base to find out those recipes themselves?
If mystic forge recipes arent published on purpose because you want the player base to find them themselves, could you give a statement on how much mf recipes have been triggered until now and how much are still undiscovered?
One thing I’ve come to learn when it comes to Anet and information, if it’s good news they will play up every positive specific they can, if it’s vague it’s because it’s bad news to the player base and they want to limit the flack until patch day….so it’s safe to consider this bad news.
Vini, Vidi, Vici, Viridis…I came, I saw, I conquered…I got a green??
I dont like these changes at all. I died 11343 times on my main character and I dont give a crap about the repair costs. I guess its close to 20k on whole account.
1st person worldwide to reach 35,000 achievement points.
John, 1 chapter of your blogpost got me wondering:
*Mystic Forge
The Mystic Forge is going to get a lot of changes this year. To kick things off, we’re adjusting the way Zommoros distributes rare and exotic rewards a bit, allowing for more variation in output. This is just a stepping stone to further changes that will make the Mystic Forge a much better experience in the future. Please note: the rate of precursors will not be affected.*
The statement about the mystic goldspring (or toilet, whatever takes your fancy) is very obscure. Will there be a nerf or a buff related to rare and exotic output?
I guess you are not allowed to talk about it but i am wondering in general, if those changes will be included in the patch notes for the feature patch or not?
I am just asking because i have the impression that MF recipes dont get mentioned in the patch notes, for example the promotion recipe of watchwork sprockets to blade shards. If thats the case, is that an oversight or intentional because you want the player base to find out those recipes themselves?
If mystic forge recipes arent published on purpose because you want the player base to find them themselves, could you give a statement on how much mf recipes have been triggered until now and how much are still undiscovered?
One thing I’ve come to learn when it comes to Anet and information, if it’s good news they will play up every positive specific they can, if it’s vague it’s because it’s bad news to the player base and they want to limit the flack until patch day….so it’s safe to consider this bad news.
I disagree, concerning the mystic forge, they might have good reasons to hold back on some info or not release it at all. Personally, i would release info on promoting for example but would only give limited info on tonics to give players some feeling of being able to discover something new. I guess John always has to consider, if a new mf recipe is tradeable or not. If it is tradable, it could seriously affect the economy, so it should be mentioned in patch notes but if the outcome is account bound, i dont see a reason, why it should be mentioned beyond the point of "new recipes for “XXX” items have been introduced to Zommoros, happy hunting", as it might serve as a mat sink.
However, i would still like to see a statement, if there are still mf recipes that havent been discovered yet.
Tin Foil [HATS]-Hardcore BLTC-PvP Guild
Bloin – Running around, tagging Keeps, getting whack on Scoobie Snacks.
I dont like these changes at all. I died 11343 times on my main character and I dont give a crap about the repair costs. I guess its close to 20k on whole account.
I wonder how this change affects you negatively…
Tin Foil [HATS]-Hardcore BLTC-PvP Guild
Bloin – Running around, tagging Keeps, getting whack on Scoobie Snacks.
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PS: what do i do with 22 leftover repair canisters now?
I’ve only read mention of no repair costs, not that there won’t be any repairs needed.
I might be wrong, but it clearly states there will still be a need to repair:
April Feature Pack:
We feel the time penalty to return and repair accomplishes our goal enough to not need a secondary cost that punishes newer and less experienced players the most.
The mystic forge changes are a work in progress. What I will promise is that when it is done you will like it much better than you do now.
But what if Zommoros already is my BFF and Miyani my second favourite merchant (after Evon)? Will you tell us in this topic or in the patch notes, if Mystic Forge recipes will be changed or how many have not been discovered yet? Or not at all? Personally, i wouldnt mind either but i would like to know Anets general stance on mf recipes.
Tin Foil [HATS]-Hardcore BLTC-PvP Guild
Bloin – Running around, tagging Keeps, getting whack on Scoobie Snacks.
However, i would still like to see a statement, if there are still mf recipes that havent been discovered yet.
The last time I’ve checked them, there were a handful of food tablet recipes that apparently were not discovered back then. However, some of them have been discovered since then.
I would also guess that there are some armor box recipes not crafted yet.
Don’t know about other and special recipes.
We removed glory and match reward chests early to prevent a flood of PvE players from coming into PvP just to fill their wardrobe. While the our team would LOVE everyone playing PvP, some super smart economist peopleguys said it would have negative repercussions on the in-game economy or something.
I heard, in PvP, they die alot and dont pay repair costs….
Tin Foil [HATS]-Hardcore BLTC-PvP Guild
Bloin – Running around, tagging Keeps, getting whack on Scoobie Snacks.
So you guys are removing cost from repairing John Smith, thats great now noobs and casuals can die as many times as they want without worrying about their repairing bill. Personally i couldn’t care less because repairing armor never really bothered me it wasn’t much anyway. If anything it made me want to not die which resulted in me playing better and learning how to dodge/avoid cleaves and boss attacks. Now I dont even need to dodge I’ll just eat that kitten and not worry about loosing 3silver.
Anyway away with that.
How about this
Listen
Removing cost from waypoints. Seriously listen.
Ive been wanting to explore the wast world of Tyria, but I could never afford the silver to use waypoints. Im sure many new players, casuals and nublets feel the same. Oh so we can explore the world of tyria without worrying about repair cost? W-well how about waypoints? T-they are expensive too they prevent me from exploring the game. The Asura has allready amassed enough gold. Pander to the casuals and explorer some more and give them free waypointing.. Its a great way to avoid gold sink!! STABULE ECONUMUY MANY GOLD TO PLEBIANS
However, i would still like to see a statement, if there are still mf recipes that havent been discovered yet.
The last time I’ve checked them, there were a handful of food tablet recipes that apparently were not discovered back then. However, some of them have been discovered since then.
I would also guess that there are some armor box recipes not crafted yet.
Don’t know about other and special recipes.
I know. Food tablet recipes give a good ROI on skillpoints, as long as you find someone stupid enough to not know the recipe and buy it off you from the TP. Same goes for box/satchel recipes. I also discovered 1 or 2 transmutation tonics not being mentioned on the wiki before (they are account bount, so no proof through the TP). The Promotion recipe of 50 watchwork sprockets, 1 each t1 and t2 dust and 1 blade shards was never communicated through patch notes (and its the latest mf recipe introduced that i know of), so I am wondering if that silence is an oversight or working as intended.
Tin Foil [HATS]-Hardcore BLTC-PvP Guild
Bloin – Running around, tagging Keeps, getting whack on Scoobie Snacks.
I dont like these changes at all. I died 11343 times on my main character and I dont give a crap about the repair costs. I guess its close to 20k on whole account.
I wonder how this change affects you negatively…
Isnt it obvious? I will save a little bit on repair costs but loose out a lot more on champion bags.
1st person worldwide to reach 35,000 achievement points.
I dont like these changes at all. I died 11343 times on my main character and I dont give a crap about the repair costs. I guess its close to 20k on whole account.
I wonder how this change affects you negatively…
Isnt it obvious? I will save a little bit on repair costs but loose out a lot more on champion bags.
For now we know how much repair costs will be nerfed (100%) but we dont know how much champ loot will be nerfed. Concerning your deaths, i would hazard a guess that most of them came in pvp where you dont have repair costs in the first place. I dont know where your champ bage come from but i guess its degenerative gameplay.
If you die during champ trains, you dont deserve any loot, or a rez.
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Mainly from karma trains in WvW since I dont do champ trains or dungeons when they arent daily achievement
I am an avid wvw player at rank 500+. While i liked the population being drawn to EOTM, it soon became boring for me. I dont know, if your train departs on EOTM or the Borderlands but karma training on either of those maps is the same as FS or QD.
Tin Foil [HATS]-Hardcore BLTC-PvP Guild
Bloin – Running around, tagging Keeps, getting whack on Scoobie Snacks.
I dont know how you can compare borderlands/EB train to PvE train. Its an effective way to increase your servers points per tick even if you are outmanned.
1st person worldwide to reach 35,000 achievement points.
Hopefully, you were ‘pulling my leg’ and your ingame meterics are not off…
I actually only pulled 2014, I thought that was more reasonable
any chance well ever have access to those metrics, like more than just what /deaths returns? SAB ruined me, like at least 4k deaths on my engi. so my /deaths doesnt really reflect anything meaningful
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people gold is so easy to get now u seam to forget hours of cof p1 , I found that every litle thing I do ingame nets me gold , so armor repair removal is convinience ,champ bagz smamp bagz who cares do some dungeons or play with mistic toilet …gold is all around u
so from what I can get from /deaths.. I have 1774 total deaths on my account, giving myself a higher than actual cost per death (as not all of those are level 80 characters, and none of my characters has higher than a 2s repair bill per death) of 2s per death.. I’ll save.. 35 gold for a year and a half of content.. no idea how many times I’ve respecced but it’s not often and so I’ve probably spent less than 5 gold on respeccing (that’s a very high estimate).. to give a round figure of 40g in savings.. I think this change is just going to be net loss in money for me. I’d rather have waypoint costs removed than repairs. Waypoints cost way more than repairs.
So.. I guess.. use those instant repair canisters I’ve been hoarding before the 15th..
so from what I can get from /deaths.. I have 1774 total deaths on my account, giving myself a higher than actual cost per death (as not all of those are level 80 characters, and none of my characters has higher than a 2s repair bill per death) of 2s per death.. I’ll save.. 35 gold for a year and a half of content.. no idea how many times I’ve respecced but it’s not often and so I’ve probably spent less than 5 gold on respeccing (that’s a very high estimate).. to give a round figure of 40g in savings.. I think this change is just going to be net loss in money for me. I’d rather have waypoint costs removed than repairs. Waypoints cost way more than repairs.
So.. I guess.. use those instant repair canisters I’ve been hoarding before the 15th..
Don’t forget that the trait unlocks (3.5g over the course of leveling) are also going away. You’ll get to find traits in open world, yay
[ARES] And all who stood by and did nothing, who are they to criticize the sacrifices of others? Our blood has bought their lives.
so from what I can get from /deaths.. I have 1774 total deaths on my account, giving myself a higher than actual cost per death (as not all of those are level 80 characters, and none of my characters has higher than a 2s repair bill per death) of 2s per death.. I’ll save.. 35 gold for a year and a half of content.. no idea how many times I’ve respecced but it’s not often and so I’ve probably spent less than 5 gold on respeccing (that’s a very high estimate).. to give a round figure of 40g in savings.. I think this change is just going to be net loss in money for me. I’d rather have waypoint costs removed than repairs. Waypoints cost way more than repairs.
So.. I guess.. use those instant repair canisters I’ve been hoarding before the 15th..
Repair canisters still retain all of their usefulness after the 15th as they are a convenience item that allows you to repair your equipment anytime you want out in the field instead of having to visit a repair NPC. The only thing that is changing is that people who take the time to visit a repair NPC to repair their equipment will no longer need to pay the little bit of coin it currently costs.
The mystic forge changes are a work in progress. What I will promise is that when it is done you will like it much better than you do now.
The number of rares and exotics I’ve chucked into the forge (for science!) is absolutely staggering. I would like to take a moment and share with all of you what I’ve learned about the forge: you put 4 items in and get 1 item back.
The mystic forge changes are a work in progress. What I will promise is that when it is done you will like it much better than you do now.
The number of rares and exotics I’ve chucked into the forge (for science!) is absolutely staggering. I would like to take a moment and share with all of you what I’ve learned about the forge: you put 4 items in and get 1 item back.
I’m actually quite pleased with the change. I’ve been arguing for more goods and less mud-coin out of Events (and later champs) pretty much since I started playing the game. Honestly, more coin doesn’t help you (unless you are buying icy runestones). It just lets you cut further ahead in line against all the other players interested in the same things as you want.
“You keep saying ‘its unfair.’
I wonder what your basis for comparison is…”
- Jareth, King of Goblins.
The mystic forge changes are a work in progress. What I will promise is that when it is done you will like it much better than you do now.
Only thing that makes me itch is~
“The Mystic Forge is going to get a lot of changes this year. To kick things off, we’re adjusting the way Zommoros distributes rare and exotic rewards a bit, allowing for more variation in output. This is just a stepping stone to further changes that will make the Mystic Forge a much better experience in the future. Please note: the rate of precursors will not be affected.”
…Sounds a lot like the output of the forge will become less reliable — that I’ll throw 4 swords in and after-patch I might get back a mace or even a ring.
Of course, writing a press release blurb for “The thing that we will never tell you how it works is going to work differently – but we’ll still never tell you how…” is gonna be a bit light on details .
“You keep saying ‘its unfair.’
I wonder what your basis for comparison is…”
- Jareth, King of Goblins.
Some days I imagine it’s fun to be able to interact with the players who make up the data you monitor, John. Some days, probably not so much.
I’ve often wondered that about my own analyzing I do. I can’t help but wonder what sorts of things you see in some of us player’s use of your game and how odd/funny it all probably is from the other end of the server.
The mystic forge changes are a work in progress. What I will promise is that when it is done you will like it much better than you do now.
The number of rares and exotics I’ve chucked into the forge (for science!) is absolutely staggering. I would like to take a moment and share with all of you what I’ve learned about the forge: you put 4 items in and get 1 item back.
That is all.
Wow, the number is in fact staggering.
Someone please pop some AoE stability inside Anet HQ!
Tin Foil [HATS]-Hardcore BLTC-PvP Guild
Bloin – Running around, tagging Keeps, getting whack on Scoobie Snacks.
