Guild Wars 2

20+ keys, nothing related, no skin, no candy, not even a black lion salvage kit. So, I can’t craft the skin I want, I can’t get it to from boxes and.. I am essentially out a ton of gems and keys for 60 tonics that I’ll never use.

I don’t think I’ll be spending money on keys ever again. I don’t feel particularly cheated by arena net but if they wanted to lure me into buying more keys for future events it ain’t happening. I doubt I am the only one in that respect.

It doesn’t matter either way. When you start a holiday event and on the first day there is a 17 page (at the time of writing) thread about disatisfied customers, you have done something wrong. Anet does not need good sentiments to work, but it sure needs happy customers!

If it’s in ANet’s best interest to up drop rates to induce more key purchases then they will. If it’s not, they won’t.

Someone explain why spending any amount of money on keys entitles you to anything other than a series of random chances. Go ahead, I’ll wait.

rickets.1386:

Rainfall.4017:

rickets.1386:

FalconDance.1637:

@Rickets

Just a thought, but this event goes on for a week or so. We already know that content will be added periodically specifically for this event all that while. Why would anyone spend all their money on the first day and then decide that, because they didn’t get what they expected (‘cause we all know that the odds are always in our favor and not anyone else’s), Anet is obviously greedy and uncaring about their customers. I’m sorry, but that sort of attitude is childish; gimme what I want, what I expect or I’m going to raise holy smoke and take my toys home forever.

Now, not that I’m accusing anyone here of this, but coming from 7+ years of GW1, I know that there are those who rush in, essentially grab up/buy the special goods as soon as possible and then re-sell, driving up the market prices. Perhaps Anet took that into consideration (it is a valid idea) and deliberately drizzled out the chance rate so that wouldn’t happen so soon. I don’t know – and neither does anyone besides the developers – what the actual percentage is, but apparently there are individuals who have opened chests and received special goods since there are apparently ones for sale.

Heck, I’m reading 17 pages (just this thread alone) of people griping and griefing – and I was tickled pink today to get really good armor drops on my girls and gleefully looked forward to finding pumpkins to carve, candy corn nodes and trick-or-treat bags fall from foe.

You’re missing the point. I personally don’t give a crap about my $30 i spent, i have the money. But, i want GW to succeed and it will not succeed if the people willing to pay real money don’t feel that paying real money is worth it. Don’t kid yourself, there are two types of players in GW2, freeloaders and Gem buyers. If you kitten off all the Gem buyers and turn them into freeloaders you’re not going to make much money are you, which translates into no new content for anyone…and eventually no money = no GW2.

What would have happened if i would have spent $30 and got 2 or 3 event items but not the ones i wanted? I would have bought another $30 worth of keys. Do you see how it’s in Anet’s best interest to make people willing to buy Gems feel like they are getting what they pay for?

You paid for a chance to get a rare skin. You got exactly what you paid for. A chance. What am i missing?

My entire post apparently.

I’ll say this. I can understand wanting at least some compensation for your money . However, realistically unless you get that rare skin you just aren’t going to feel compensated. What would you suggest? Any items they add to soften the blow won’t be enough .

Also i sympathise more with people who don’t whine, and i know not everyone in this thread is a whiner. However the majority have been and it’s just the wrong way to act, because it was 100% clear what you were paying for, and that’s a fact.

Most of us would have been happy if anything halloween related was in the chest, instead of the standard stuff. We saved keys, we saved chests, we bought keys, we bought chests. And most of us ended up with the exact same stuff you would have gotten from the chests anyway, which is useless to most players. We assumed (yes, i know what they say about assume) there would be more available to drop in the chests beyond the new skins. There’s plenty of stuff they could have added to at least make us think we’d saved/bought those keys/chests for a reason. Instead, we got nothing, and we feel like we just got put into a cell with Bubba, and it’s lights out.

I have no problem spending money on stuff i enjoy. I buy lotto tickets, scratch tickets, play poker, blackjack. I know what i’m getting into when i gamble. I know that in casino’s the odds are stacked, scratch tickets have a 1 in XXX chance of winning, etc. We didn’t realize that Anet was gonna bend us over without the courteousy of a reach around. It was a safe assumption to make that the majority of keys would have been purchased with real money, and therefore most of the chests would have been opened using real money. And they still screwed everybody over. It’s not the weapon skins, it’s the lack of anything to do with halloween.

Well, this thread has served it’s purpose. I will not be spending money on keys when I get home, as originally planned.

Rainfall.4017:

I’ll say this. I can understand wanting at least some compensation for your money . However, realistically unless you get that rare skin you just aren’t going to feel compensated. What would you suggest? Any items they add to soften the blow won’t be enough .

Also i sympathise more with people who don’t whine, and i know not everyone in this thread is a whiner. However the majority have been and it’s just the wrong way to act, because it was 100% clear what you were paying for, and that’s a fact.

I guess my post could be misconstrued as a whine, my bad. I personally don’t care about spending my money to gamble with. Although i will say that technically it wasn’t 100% clear what people were paying for, since no one knew what the drop rate was, most didn’t expect it to be so low, live and learn i guess. The problem is, Anet is not giving me/others an incentive to gamble in the future. It doesn’t matter why people who spent money are mad(not me personally), it matters that they are mad and won’t spend money in the Gem shop to support GW2 in the future. I worry for the longevity of GW2 if they continue to make paying customers mad, that’s all.

From my past experiences in other MMOs that did this there is some good news.

Players have a 0.001% chance of getting a drop from the Black Lion Chests.

ArenaNet has a 0.00000001% chance of players ever buying keys after this event again.

So, odds work in the players favor.

They’ll have to do something, if they get a bad name for being rip offs with their cash shops, then the money will stop flowing in.

If the money stops flowing in, then as a Western Developer, NCSoft won’t hesitate in shutting them down.

I wouldn’t be surprised if in the next three or four years, laws do get passed that make these types of grab bag/box transactions classed as gambling, after all if you take a look at say Zynga, governments are missing out on quite a big piece of the pie from these transactions.

The chances on the BLC skins are disappointing, gw2 took “grinding” to a whole new level even beyond what gw1 was, I like grinding like most gw fans but its not enjoyable to make skins as hard to get as legendary weapons.

Luck or not, I think this seriously takes away the enjoyment for players who honestly went after said skins to the point of opening around hundred chests and getting barely anything they wanted to show for, such RNG is NOT fun. I really hope anet changes this, if they want us to work hard toward something like the recipe for the weapons im ok with that, but the situation with the BLC? Horrible.

Ekera.5281:

If it’s in ANet’s best interest to up drop rates to induce more key purchases then they will. If it’s not, they won’t.

Someone explain why spending any amount of money on keys entitles you to anything other than a series of random chances. Go ahead, I’ll wait.

There are a couple levels to this actually. If you go by the past events done in GW it was all about participation to receive a holiday item and never about spending either in game gold or real money to get those items. Fast forward to now and the incredibly low drop rate on keys plus the very high rate of chest drops and you can see that this only feeds the desire/need to purchase keys. It seems entirely possible that you could go the whole event and not receive one holiday item (beyond candy and bags from harvesting) which really only allows you to rent a skin/weapon for 4 hours. Overall it just seem like a bad design and there are plenty of people upset by it.

Typically people buy a product as advertised, it’s not far fetched to think that many of them feel duped, especially when the chest system is so designed to promote more gem purchases. That whole a chance is intolerably low.

Boils down to consumer market mentality.

Opened 10 chests, – I did not get any halloween anything. Not paying for more keys,
why? because i felt ripped off, and now im kitten off. Im entitled to get something for my money. No one cares about what else is in those chests.

Opened 10 chests, – I did get something halloween related, id pay for more keys.
Well, i didnt get what i want, but it looks like my money actually got me something related to halloween, I’ll try my luck again because i saw a result the first time, and I feel like trying for rare item, if I dont get it but i get something else, atleast i feel like my money was worth something.

Thanks to this thread I’ve decided not to buy any Gems.

Question: Has the actual drop rate of the skins ever been stated?
Do we have a confirmed % chance listed anywhere?

I was skeptical about hows this event would go, and so far its lived up to every expectation. After trying a hand at 10 keys, I at least thought I might get even a basic common item related to this event. ANet is driving home the point further of what their intentions have become and it can all be stemmed back to GW1.

Costumes from GW1 they started implementing with events; about the same price in GW2 as in cost per real money. Random hats, I don’t remember paying for one, but I got a lot of free ones in GW1. Remember when GW1 implemented the costume slot, were you could wear the items you purchased over regular gear and still fight with them on(only disappeared in PvP). Town clothes were a real great design, I fell sap to the cook’s outfit to see what it was about, have put in on to show maybe twice in total?

I thought the gem store could be a niche to some of their payed for things they did with GW1, but it shows were their business model has been laid out. Expect more of this to come with the other events most of us GW1 fan-base was waiting for. Definitely turning a cheek to the futures coming, not a trilled outlook for me.

Solinox.6251:

@Neon.4863, why not? I concider what they did as fraud. kitten for tat.

I don’t agree with how the BLCs/keys were handled, so I fully understand your being upset enough to consider this.

However, reporting a fake theft just to get your money back is something you could face legal consequences for. Ultimately, it’s just not a smart tactic, even if you consider it morally correct. Credit card fraud is a serious issue and while you may screw ANet out of a little money in the process, but the one who’ll be screwed the most in the story is you if the fraud is discovered.

In the end, it’s not worth it. I know people who have done that and were caught.

By the way arena.net, I was planning to go home from work and spend $10-15 on gems to open some chests and get some fun halloween stuff.

Thanks to your atrociously low drop rate, I will not be doing that.

Additionally, I will not be buying the gems for another character slot expansion, because the disregard and lack of concern for ripping off players that your staff has displayed makes me question the long term viability of the game.

Do you see now how being greedy works? It doesn’t get you more money, it gets you less. People don’t like being ripped off. You will end up with more money, and much happier customers, if you offer items at reasonable prices instead of trying to trick people into playing your rigged odds game and sinking absurd amounts of money hoping to get one of the items they desire.

Ekera.5281:

If it’s in ANet’s best interest to up drop rates to induce more key purchases then they will. If it’s not, they won’t.

Someone explain why spending any amount of money on keys entitles you to anything other than a series of random chances. Go ahead, I’ll wait.

Because otherwise it is classified as true gambling and falls under various different laws. They are delivering other goods, so technically you are always getting something, but just not what people are spending money on.

Defend it all you will, in the end it hurts all of us. Those that spent a bit of money and got burned (which there are quite a few) will not purchase again. Less cash for ANet means less content for everyone. In addition, there is a serious chance of this having a public backlash which will hurt the game overall (look at LOTRO and the infamous grindaversary event).

I didn’t get burned, luckily, but I have seen first hand how this type of behavior can serious hurt a game and the company behind it very quickly.

Cactus Brawler.7415:

If the money stops flowing in, then as a Western Developer, NCSoft won’t hesitate in shutting them down.

I wouldn’t be surprised if in the next three or four years, laws do get passed that make these types of grab bag/box transactions classed as gambling, after all if you take a look at say Zynga, governments are missing out on quite a big piece of the pie from these transactions.

First let me say I’m glad we have NCSoft’s COO here to let us know their plans regarding Arenanet going forward. Thanks for that!

Second, nothing you receive in game has any tangible real-world value. Selling gold, items or accounts for money is against the Terms of Service. So it’s not really possible to legislate against this as a form of actual gambling since all you are doing is paying money for virtual cosmetic items that have no resale value.

Rainfall.4017:

rickets.1386:

FalconDance.1637:

@Rickets

Just a thought, but this event goes on for a week or so. We already know that content will be added periodically specifically for this event all that while. Why would anyone spend all their money on the first day and then decide that, because they didn’t get what they expected (‘cause we all know that the odds are always in our favor and not anyone else’s), Anet is obviously greedy and uncaring about their customers. I’m sorry, but that sort of attitude is childish; gimme what I want, what I expect or I’m going to raise holy smoke and take my toys home forever.

Now, not that I’m accusing anyone here of this, but coming from 7+ years of GW1, I know that there are those who rush in, essentially grab up/buy the special goods as soon as possible and then re-sell, driving up the market prices. Perhaps Anet took that into consideration (it is a valid idea) and deliberately drizzled out the chance rate so that wouldn’t happen so soon. I don’t know – and neither does anyone besides the developers – what the actual percentage is, but apparently there are individuals who have opened chests and received special goods since there are apparently ones for sale.

Heck, I’m reading 17 pages (just this thread alone) of people griping and griefing – and I was tickled pink today to get really good armor drops on my girls and gleefully looked forward to finding pumpkins to carve, candy corn nodes and trick-or-treat bags fall from foe.

You’re missing the point. I personally don’t give a crap about my $30 i spent, i have the money. But, i want GW to succeed and it will not succeed if the people willing to pay real money don’t feel that paying real money is worth it. Don’t kid yourself, there are two types of players in GW2, freeloaders and Gem buyers. If you kitten off all the Gem buyers and turn them into freeloaders you’re not going to make much money are you, which translates into no new content for anyone…and eventually no money = no GW2.

What would have happened if i would have spent $30 and got 2 or 3 event items but not the ones i wanted? I would have bought another $30 worth of keys. Do you see how it’s in Anet’s best interest to make people willing to buy Gems feel like they are getting what they pay for?

You paid for a chance to get a rare skin. You got exactly what you paid for. A chance. What am i missing?

You start a company that for all means and purposes cater to customers
Customers are unhappy- they leave ( or in this case, stop supporting your cash shop which is one of the means of revenue for you to pay your developers/community reps/security team ,ect.)
No customers- no business
No business- no money.

Guess what Anet can’t do without money.

FUNCTION.

They have, from one event, dissuaded possibly thousands (or more) of players who would have dropped actual cash on this game for events ( and large amounts of cash for events if you bothered to actually tally up the potential amount of money from this thread alone, thats probably well over $3,000 and everyone has a friend who reads the forums, so even the people that dont read this will know from someone, never to buy keys for events.).
Its not something a smart company would do, on their first event.

Time will truly tell if this comes back to haunt them on any future event they plan to hold.

I understand you don’t like the whinning, but honestly, you can’t blame them for feeling cheated when they spend $30+ dollars and get nothing event related.

In closing, I feel for you guys that spent actual money, hopefully you warn the other customers who havent read into this money grab.

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/72647-black-lion-chest-halloween-r-d-thread/

With the introduction of the new Halloween items inside Black Lion chests I wanted to create a thread dedicated to providing the playerbase with accurate data & determining the % chance of acquiring said skins. If you decide to contribute I must ask “Please only provide factual data & do not exaggerate/inflate numbers” Provided the vast majority of submitted data is correct we can begin to determine the actual % chance a player has of acquiring said skins per chest.

As a additional study, please also report if you loot one of the other new items that have been added recently. Permanent Bank, Permanent Black Lion Trader etc

Unfortunately at this time I cannot contribute personally as I am at work, but feel free to add your own. I will do my best to update daily provided the opportunity arises.

Black Lion Chests Opened: 498

Probability of a Halloween skin using current sample data: .0120

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/72647-black-lion-chest-halloween-r-d-thread/

Not the most encouraging numbers after reading that.

when you got 800+ displeased responses in a thread the first 12 hrs of an event you have done something wrong.

Ekera.5281:

If it’s in ANet’s best interest to up drop rates to induce more key purchases then they will. If it’s not, they won’t.

Someone explain why spending any amount of money on keys entitles you to anything other than a series of random chances. Go ahead, I’ll wait.

The thing that get’s to a lot of people is that there could have been a better way to incorporate the rewards into the game rather than tacking them onto BL chests. As many people have pointed out, participation is key, actually doing stuff in the game and being part of the event achievements and goals would have been an excellent way to receive a few of the item skins.

ANet should have changed the BL chests completely if they wanted to incorporate them into the event. During the Halloween time frame, whenever you opened a BL chest, special Halloween items should spawn, or if they didn’t want to exclude normal BL chest items during this time, maybe they should just plainly have created special BLTC Halloween exclusive chests, separate from the normal chests.

You see, there were a number of ways this event could have been better incorporated into the game world, but the way it ended up seems questionable to a lot of players.

Nah, I’m not falling for this again, I won’t be buying any more keys, I didn’t even get a single extra key from all the chests I opened.

So let me get this straight.

The big Halloween event system is to spend real money on chips- sorry, keys – and spin a wheel, for which no odds are given? That’s the plan?

…yeahno. Good grief, ANet. Bad, bad form.

I’m surprised that people are disappointed, given the drop rate of loot in dungeons and elsewhere.

And based on some comments from this thread, it seems like it’s time for some math:

Let’s define the probability of getting a skin from 1 chest as X.
So the probability of NOT getting a skin from 1 chest is 1-X.

The probability of getting at least 1 skin from opening multiple chests is the same as the probability of not getting all junk (i.e., getting 0 skins from every chest).
i.e., P(at least 1 skin) = P(not getting all junk) = 1 – P(no skins)

P(no skins) = P(no skin . no skin . no skin …) depending on how many chests are opened.
or
P(no skins) = (1-X)(1-X)(1-X)…

Therefore, the probability of getting at least 1 skin from Y chests:
P(at least 1 skin in Y chests) = 1 – (1-X)^Y

Now for examples. Assuming a probability of 2.5% (someone earlier used as an example), you get:

P(at least 1 skin in 20 chests) = 1 – (1-0.025)^20 = ~ 40%
P(at least 1 skin in 100 chests) = 1 – (1-0.025)^100 = ~ 92%

Those seem too high, so let’s look at 1% chance of skins per chest:
P(at least 1 skin in 20 chests) = 1 – (1-0.01)^20 = ~ 18%
P(at least 1 skin in 100 chests) = 1 – (1-0.01)^100 = ~ 63%

That seems closer to what people are reporting, but we don’t know the real rate.

TL;DR: Like others have said, it’s really just a form of gambling. If you don’t enjoy the game of chance, don’t gamble.

when you got 800 displeased responses in a thread the first 12 hrs of an event you have done something wrong.+

+1

Wayshuba:

“Because otherwise it is classified as true gambling and falls under various different laws. They are delivering other goods, so technically you are always getting something, but just not what people are spending money on.”

Please clarify for me how the Black Lion chests fit your definition of “true gambling.” What do you even mean by that? Of course it’s gambling. A gamble is defined as staking or risking money on something defined by chance. That’s exactly what this is, and that’s exactly what it was made out to be.

So, forgive me if I take a dim view of people who are DEMANDING (in huge capital letters) their money back, or saying they were deceived or hoodwinked, or (my favorite) forced to buy keys for chests that don’t pay out what they want. 90% of the people complaining this vociferously are absolutely not so naive as to believe they are owed something for their money besides a chance at some purely cosmetic fun stuff. They’re just upset they didn’t win and are taking it out on a convenient target.

The issue here isn’t that it’s a gamble, it’s that it’s a gamble that people are unhappy with. That’s understandable. That also is what my first point in the post you quoted pertains to: if Anet believes the chances are too low and people are going to swear off gems en masse then they’ll up drop rates or add additional items. They’ll adjust the payout in some way to compensate and get people buying gems.

And to repeat what I said earlier, there is nothing about this that fits the legal, casino-type definition of gambling. Not a thing. You are not receiving anything of tangible value. You can’t resell anything you receive for real currency without breaking Anet’s very clear Terms of Service. There’s no expectation of actual, monetary payback for the money you put in. It may be gambling, but it’s not Gambling. Understand?

“Sorry to folks who opened thousands of Wonka Bars; guess you didn’t get your golden ticket. Not Wonka’s fault though so grow up.” Blueroseknight.7954

Well given that even in that fictional setting the odds were revealed before hand, and they weren’t and haven’t in this case yet….

“First let me say I’m glad we have NCSoft’s COO here to let us know their plans regarding Arenanet going forward. Thanks for that!

Second, nothing you receive in game has any tangible real-world value. Selling gold, items or accounts for money is against the Terms of Service. So it’s not really possible to legislate against this as a form of actual gambling since all you are doing is paying money for virtual cosmetic items that have no resale value." Ekera.5281

You just have to look at the companies past history, heck they even recently shut down a game and sacked the entire development team without notice, a team that was making them money by the way, to cover a refocusing on their Eastern market and teams even if said teams haven’t been doing so great.).

The fun thing about the law is it evolves, while you say that it can’t be legislated, all it takes is for example some one to pass a ‘Virtual goods/currency act’ that gives some measure of value to these items, and boom there you go new untapped taxes for cash hungry governments.

We’ve already started towards this with several ruling against the deletion of peoples characters, accounts and items by malicious third parties.

Isn’t designing a system with gambling supposed to be fun? Seriously, if you’re going to RNG at least make it fun or trick people into believing it is. If you’re going to milk players, at least milk them slowly.

Fighting monsters and having RNG on them is not as bad. It’s why a lot of people don’t mind fighting bosses at the end of a dungeon and having a CHANCE at an item which might drop. The fight there is fun for the most part AND you gain gold out of it.

The classic slot machine with a return rate of 70-80% (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slot_machine#Payout_percentage) is another example of a well designed RNG system. You can argue that the boosters/black lions chests/etc. you get are the payout, but translated into direct gold, the payout actually isn’t actually anywhere near 70-80%.

I really wanted to keep liking this game, but the amount of thoughtless RNG being introduced into it is making me think twice about logging on.

Sure you don’t need any of this. But let’s be honest, if we can get max gear in a week (two weeks farming a dungeon) after hitting 80, then what else is there to do? Get skins. That’s what. If all these skins, including precursors are RNG, it really kills my drive to reach those goals.

Everyone who keeps saying you don’t NEED any of this, seriously needs to think about the lifespan of this game. I agree with the mentality that max gear should stay easy to obtain. But if that’s the case, then what do players work for? Skins. That’s the only other thing you can work for if max stat gear can be gotten so easily.

So now think about this: should obtaining cool skins cost more than a monthly subscription based MMO? The answer should be no. As it stands we have users in this thread spending $50-100 and getting nothing. That’s roughly 3-5 months of a monthly subscription. With December around the corner, do you really expect people to spend another $50-100 a month for a CHANCE to get a limited skin? Otherwise you get… crafting boosters… black lion salvage kits….? Things that you don’t even need because there essentially is no character progression grind in this game?

I loved GW1 and it sort of breaks my heart to see GW2 going down this path of thoughtlessly design systems. I’m going to probably take a few days break and hopefully things get cleared up.

@Adein
Thats cool math but you should read this: .012% chance….good times.

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/72647-black-lion-chest-halloween-r-d-thread/

I’d be fine with a compromise even, make the black lion chest skins drop more often or add them as quest rewards/buyable with candycorn or whatever. That way everyone can get something nice from halloween.

Then keep the craftable weapons as they are so those who want something rare and unique have something to grind for.

rickets.1386:

@Blueroseknight
Grats on missing the point, not this threads fault though, Grow up, which consists of learning to read.

There are many many posts, including the OP, which are whining about not getting a prize after opening X chests. Some are calling for refunds and some are just raging. There are a variety of posts in this thread. Regardless, it is full of people who are saying “you did it wrong ANet, I want X Y and Z and here is why my way is better than your way”. Entitlement at its finest. Maybe you all should organize an Occupy movement

Ekera.5281:

Cactus Brawler.7415:

If the money stops flowing in, then as a Western Developer, NCSoft won’t hesitate in shutting them down.

I wouldn’t be surprised if in the next three or four years, laws do get passed that make these types of grab bag/box transactions classed as gambling, after all if you take a look at say Zynga, governments are missing out on quite a big piece of the pie from these transactions.

First let me say I’m glad we have NCSoft’s COO here to let us know their plans regarding Arenanet going forward. Thanks for that!

Second, nothing you receive in game has any tangible real-world value. Selling gold, items or accounts for money is against the Terms of Service. So it’s not really possible to legislate against this as a form of actual gambling since all you are doing is paying money for virtual cosmetic items that have no resale value.

Just a quick point, you are incorrect here. Korea just passed laws this year that made this exact thing illiegal and legislation is up in Japan and other countries over the same thing. Right now, the fact they are virtual goods is circumventing current laws, but they are good with real world cash values (i.e., real money is exchanged for them) and therefore many countries are looking into this now.

P.S. There is proposed legislation in the US as well, though it hasn’t made the floor yet.

So, to say it isn’t a big deal when this is going on all over the place, I don’t think so. My bet is, these RNG practices will be legislated out by most countries over the next couple of years.

Lastly, to your earlier point about gambling, it doesn’t have to be strictly in money for a payout, just have a monetary value. For example, taking a chance in winning a car or appliance or whatever, still has regulations it must follow as long as it has a monetary value.

Most get around this with virtual goods by saying those items can be obtained without cost, so they have no monetary value – but they can also be obtained for real cash as well – and that does then give them value. As I said, this is how most are getting around it now, but many governments have caught on and are seeking to curb the practice.

Besides this fact – any business practice, legal or not, that POs a lot of your customers is NOT a good business practice at all. This behavior, however, is, unfortunately, why the MMO market has become so tarnished in the last few years.

Someone please get the government involved. We can’t help ourselves , we NEED governments around the world to regulate and legislate everything. Otherwise how could adults be expected to take care of themselves and make decisions on there own?

Oh the horror and evil of AN for putting in a lottery system for virtual costumes , those kittens preying on us.

@Blueroseknight – I’m not sure where imbeciles like yourself learned the word “entitlement”, but you obviously never learned what it actually means. People spent real money for nothing…and are upset about it. That’s not what entitlement means.

But for the high and mighty among you that like to belittle the criticisms of others, this will hurt you in the end, because people will be less likely to spend money at the cash shop, which means less development money. Because of this thread, I will not be spending any of the money I had planned to spend tonight on gems.

The three weapons you can buy at the merchant only last for 4 hours. A Shortbow, a Shield and a Staff.

Why only 4 hours? who the hell will buy that?

I agree with most people in this thread. People bought 100 keys and got nothing, really? they should have made it better than that.. that’s just disappointing.

The only fun in this event is the costume-brawl. I’ve mined alot of raw corn but when i saw weapons only last for 4 hours i was turned off, also it’s only 3 weapons. Where is the rest of them?

The video was cool, the thought was cool but we didn’t get enough Halloween out of it, yet. Also i think the event in LA is stuck. I tried to find ghosts with the meter but i found none.

Rainfall.4017:

@Reginold.

Oh wow. You got me. Well no that’s easy to discuss and argue. Why should you HAVE to get a halloween item just because you paid with real money? No reason at all. You had a chance to use an item already in the game with added bonuses. You win or you don’t. Have some self control. The audacity of some people is just disgusting.

That’s a fine argument you have, however I’m not here to argue nor am I whining about “having” to receive anything Halloween-related, which I and along with other people who have spend money have not. You’re completely right in that Anet can give us absolutely anything they want in those chests since it is their product, but can we at least both agree that it leaves a sour taste in consumers when they give their money to support this company but the products they receive have nothing to do with the advertised event AND also are, for a lack of a better word, lackluster? I would love to hear your reply, and again, I’m not here to argue but to discuss.

Well first time posting on the forums but am so kitten kitten off I had to come on here and warn people who are considering spending any money to get these keys. What a total kitten sham. These pricks knew exactly what they were doing EXACTLY what they were doing. I unfortunately love the game and couldn’t wait to spend the money for my batch of keys. I spent $50.00 USD It isn’t alot compared to what I have spent on other games but it is a good amount of money considering I already spent sixty dollars to buy the game. But I have to say I WILL NEVER SPEND MONEY AGAIN IN THE GEM STORE EVER !!!!

So I get my keys and I start opening boxes opened 43 total boxes Didn’t get one fricken thing to resemble a HALLOWEEN event. Now I realise the chests are not the center of this halloween event but when they say there is a chance to receive things wtf is the chance 1/100 1/1000? Give us a kitten number so I don’t waste my kitten money on BS.
Has any Anet rep came on this thread with a valid explanation or are they too kitten scared to show their faces now with hundreds of people kitten off over this fiasco.
Warning to anyone trying to “GAMBLE” again don’t do it.

@Blueroseknight
your right, there are a lot of whiners and entitlement post in here, got me there. I don’t personally feel entitled to anything but i felt that, letting Anet know making paying customers feel cheated is bad for everyone, was the right thing to do.

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@Blueroseknight – I’m not sure where imbeciles like yourself learned the word “entitlement”, but you obviously never learned what it actually means. People spent real money for nothing…and are upset about it. That’s not what entitlement means.

But for the high and mighty among you that like to belittle the criticisms of others, this will hurt you in the end, because people will be less likely to spend money at the cash shop, which means less development money. Because of this thread, I will not be spending any of the money I had planned to spend tonight on gems." Dravyn.4671

Entitlement is the latest buzz word, used by shady publishers and internet trolls to describe people who complain because they are not getting their moneys worth.

Unhappy with a buggy game with a terrible ending, that ruins a series of games by being so kitten poor? Why you’re just whiner who thinks they are ‘entitled’, I rarely wish physical harm on people but whoever the kitten head at EA is, he or she needs a punch in the face.

Cactus Brawler.7415:

You just have to look at the companies past history, heck they even recently shut down a game and sacked the entire development team without notice, a team that was making them money by the way, to cover a refocusing on their Eastern market and teams even if said teams haven’t been doing so great.).

The fun thing about the law is it evolves, while you say that it can’t be legislated, all it takes is for example some one to pass a ‘Virtual goods/currency act’ that gives some measure of value to these items, and boom there you go new untapped taxes for cash hungry governments.

We’ve already started towards this with several ruling against the deletion of peoples characters, accounts and items by malicious third parties.

If they shut the game down, they shut it down. I’m going to go out in a limb here and say that GW2 probably has many many times the playerbase that CoH did even in its heyday, but that’s purely speculation. Point is, what NCSoft might or might not do in the future isn’t really relevant to this discussion.

Neither, of course, is what “governments” might do to legislate in-game mini transactions that result in nothing of tangible value.

@TheBatman

You would think a person who named himself after a hero would behave more heroically, no? I don’t think any or at least, most, of the people here discussing have asked for a refund of any sort. I believe we all realize that Anet won’t be doing any sort of refunding, let alone compensation. So, honestly, this is not such a funny thread but if you enjoy laughing at other people feeling hurt, than that’s all you Mr. Wayne.

Dravyn.4671:

@Blueroseknight – I’m not sure where imbeciles like yourself learned the word “entitlement”, but you obviously never learned what it actually means. People spent real money for nothing…and are upset about it. That’s not what entitlement means.

But for the high and mighty among you that like to belittle the criticisms of others, this will hurt you in the end, because people will be less likely to spend money at the cash shop, which means less development money. Because of this thread, I will not be spending any of the money I had planned to spend tonight on gems.

So if I buy a lottery ticket and get nothing then tell the lottery officials that I should get my money back that is not entitlement? These people believe that through spending their money on a random thing, without knowing the odds, that they are “entitled” to a prize". Sounds like the definition of entitlement to me. They got what they paid for, the chance to get something.

See you at Xmas, maybe you’ll have better odds then. The chests are calling after all

actually, i think the issue was in the presentation – had there been something for everyone to have at the start to remember the first halloween, it would have been a nice bonus to be able to gamble for a rare skin after. Obviously everyone wants the first holiday item put out.

and while I’m there , is it possible to make the Anet hat we got useable in wvw ? I really like it.

Blueroseknight.7954:

rickets.1386:

@Blueroseknight
Grats on missing the point, not this threads fault though, Grow up, which consists of learning to read.

There are many many posts, including the OP, which are whining about not getting a prize after opening X chests. Some are calling for refunds and some are just raging. There are a variety of posts in this thread. Regardless, it is full of people who are saying “you did it wrong ANet, I want X Y and Z and here is why my way is better than your way”. Entitlement at its finest. Maybe you all should organize an Occupy movement

I know this will go over your head, but Occupy and other social protests are not about entitlement, they are about fighting for rights and social justice. It’s not entitlement, it’s sticking up for your belief in a better world.

Blueroseknight.7954:

Dravyn.4671:

@Blueroseknight – I’m not sure where imbeciles like yourself learned the word “entitlement”, but you obviously never learned what it actually means. People spent real money for nothing…and are upset about it. That’s not what entitlement means.

But for the high and mighty among you that like to belittle the criticisms of others, this will hurt you in the end, because people will be less likely to spend money at the cash shop, which means less development money. Because of this thread, I will not be spending any of the money I had planned to spend tonight on gems.

So if I buy a lottery ticket and get nothing then tell the lottery officials that I should get my money back that is not entitlement? These people believe that through spending their money on a random thing, without knowing the odds, that they are “entitled” to a prize". Sounds like the definition of entitlement to me. They got what they paid for, the chance to get something.

See you at Xmas, maybe you’ll have better odds then. The chests are calling after all

Fool me once, shame on you
Fool me twice, punch me in the face and laugh.

If people fall for this again at the next event, i will lose all faith in this community -_-

@Blueroseknight

Yeah you pretty much missed the whole point of this thread. Please stop posting if you’re here only to mock/taunt people instead of actually contributing something useful.

I say vote with your wallet. If you’re opposed to real money RNG, then don’t spend money on it going forward, and if you feel especially screwed then don’t spend money on gems at all and send them an email saying why. The reason they took this approach is that it’s good for their bottom line. Make it not be a money-maker and they’ll alter their approach.

The worst thing one can do is to complain about this and then turn around and pay into it again. You can bet they’re banking on people who got jack squat the first time doing it again at Christmas because their anger has faded. If people complain but still keep reaching for their wallets then they deserve what they get.

I really want several of those weapon skins. Spending money on RNG to get them blows and I don’t think I’m going to unless I by some chance have leftover gems after buying other stuff. Just wish the gold cost of the scythe staff wasn’t so brutal on the trading post.