Guild Wars 2

Oh come on, casual “players”. Just learn how to play. Liandri is easy as kitten.

If you read my post u will understand that i find beating the boss alone quite easy, what i find ridiculous is the 8 orb achievement, that is the only reason i posted here.

Since it took u 8 hrs and u still dint get that achievement, u shld understand my point of view.

Please don’t nerf it. Anet, you wanted to create something that was challenging so that people could feel like they achieved a great feat, THIS IS THAT THING.

Yes the combined fact that you have to cope with disorienation when you get three orbs, positioning so you don’t get 1-shotted by the AoE, positioning so you don’t get one-shotted by the zombie Liadris, camera orientation so that you can see where the magnetic orb is, positioning so that Liadri won’t land a combo on you and condition removal so you don’t stay crippled, can be a “bit” daunting but when you overcome that hurdle (with a bit of well placed luck, and mechanic-sploitation) you feel the urge to tell people how awesome you are.

So yea, the feeling of ENJOYABLE accomplishment is definitely here. Not the ragged accomplishment that you get in dungeons where it doesn’t feel like you used organization to finish, it’s more like you stumbled upon a win.

Stiofan.6720:

I agree with this 100%, I’m all for challenging content but …

Sorry to pick your post specifically, but I just want to address everyone who has made similar posts:

If you really were “all for challenging content”, you would LOVE Liadri. Please, next time say it how it really is: “I like being handed things for free, so … "

Kuzzi.2198:

Please, next time say it how it really is: “I like being handed things for free, so … "

Yeah, but if we all had to “say it how it really is”, the other side of the argument would have to start off with: “I like using video game achievements to make me feel superior to others, so…”

minbariguy.7504:

Kuzzi.2198:

Please, next time say it how it really is: “I like being handed things for free, so … "

Yeah, but if we all had to “say it how it really is”, the other side of the argument would have to start off with: “I like using video game achievements to make me feel superior to others, so…”

touché

Kuzzi.2198:

touché

Lol! You took that well. I salute you, sir. :-)

almost every argument against OP comes down to sophism, mainly redefining “skill” or “entitlement”.

has the boss been defeated already by players? Yes? Oh, not impossible apparently, no nerf then. Sorry, no achievement shiny for you on this (or for me for that matter).

Nerf what?

This game finally had something challenging and you get a mini to show for it so people know you at least have some skill. I one or two shot every boss to this boss doing it on thief, mesmer, and guardian each. Then it took about 10 tries to get the pattern down to where I got her to 5-50% every round for another 15 tries.. until I would mess up and die. Its just staying focuses on all aspects of the fight and getting it down to a science before you can get her done.

This boss just takes practice and more than likely you will have to change your build, all these zerker guys will figure out pure dps doesn’t always work. Though some can pull it off on this fight, especially classes with invuln skills, but condition dmg excels on this fight.

Learn the pattern as this fight has very little rng, and adapt. Obstructed orbs is great imo as it forces you to melee or use a skill that is an aoe on it. My first kill on her on my thief was in magic find gear.. I forgot I had it on and laughed at myself for doing it.

The fight ain’t bad, quit complaining, get in there, and learn it!

I’m happy that there’s finally some content that we can feel proud of beating.
What’s the point of having ‘unique’ items if everyone has the same ones?
Having some unique skins should show off that you’re good at X, while someone else is good at Y. Not that everyone is mediocre at everything.

Let’s not make all content like this, but I’d love to keep this ‘harder than most stuff’ every few events. It’s fun to have some mostly prescripted boss-stuff like we used to have in ye olde days.

/petition for original @launch fire ele 5man for next big event.

Reihert.1509:

You know who else is alienated from this event?

People without internet.
GW2 alienate all those who can’t afford internet.

Stop alienation.

They’re not customers who’ve paid Arenanet $60+ for the game, so the comparison doesn’t work I’m afraid.

Still, not being able to do the Gauntlet doesn’t bother me. In fact, I’ve yet to even try it as it just isn’t the sort of content I like, any more than DoA hard mode was in GW1.

It isn’t ‘exclusionary’ to have a massively overpowered, luck-driven boss fight any more than it’s ‘exclusionary’ to have jumping puzzles. Neither are compulsory, neither are required to obtain max-level gear, so to each their own.

No. L2P. Liandri is tough but fair.

The only thing that needs adressing is the kittening camera randomly going ape kitten. Everything else is for you to learn to deal with.

For what it’s worth, I’ve had the most fun in a while with the gauntlet. I’m pretty disappointed by the living story content as a whole so far, but I did greatly appreciate a good old fashioned arena challenge.

Granted, there are numerous design issues with it, but the concept is great and the fight itself was enough of a challenge to be fun for a change.

Zaeon.3846:

Even for hardcore players the phase 2 depends largely on luck.

This is false and throws your entire post out of the window. Sorry.

I have a question for the people who are having a lot of trouble beating liadri.

Are you still into GW2 like you were when it lauched? Or as much into it as you first started playing?

Kuzzi.2198:

There are many hardcore players who have been waiting for harder content and now Anet finally gave us some (although we still need some hard Team content)

Please don’t take this away from us. Anet releases plenty of content for the casual players, so please don’t make them nerf the only challenging thing out so far.

Yes, elitism and further separating casual and hardcore is really what GW2 needs. The despicable attitude of CoF1 farmers towards anyone who doesn’t meet their build requirements will now transform into a new kind of elitism: “LFG xy… have liandri mini or kick”. I know plenty of great players who don’t yet have the mini because of the obvious shortcomings such as bugs and lag.

The attachment ought to be a good guide about reaching a goal like Liadri. You only truly fail if you stop trying… Until they get rid of it… Then until it comes back to continue trying.

Vayra.3290:

OmniPotentes.4817:

Hydra.9573:

I’ve gone through 4 stacks of sprockets buying nothing but tickets and I still cant beat this crap. im overwhelmed by everything thrown at me at once, if I pay attention to one thing im caught by another. It needs to be nerfed. if I cant get this kitten mini then my miniature collection is pretty much useless, guess I wont be buying any of the minis from the gem store anymore. Way to burn a repeat paying customer. hope the 10% of elites can make up for the lost miniature collectors not paying anymore.

I pretty much agree with this. I also have gone through 4 stacks and am quite discouraged by now. Not being able to get that mini seriously makes me want to quit playing all together. I’ll keep trying until the end of the event but if I fail I’m done supporting the gemstore. Hope they can make enough money from the elitist player base they cater to.

So one part of a single event being designed to be very hard is enough to put you off the game entirely? Wow. You must not enjoy the rest of the game particularly much if that’s all it takes to make you quit.

Guess I won’t have to quit the game after all. Got my mini and achi and all is well. I will never set foot in that dome with that mother kittening kitten again. The Gauntlet has a lot of issues that need to be fixed.

Kyrel.8942:

The attachment ought to be a good guide about reaching a goal like Liadri. You only truly fail if you stop trying… Until they get rid of it… Then until it comes back to continue trying.

You should post this picture on every “QQ Liadri” thread.

If you’re here because you’re frustrated, mad, etc, I have four words for you

You Can Do It

I believe in you!

I absolutely 100% disagree with this. Liadri is fine how she is. All classes have completed her, and all classes have also done the achievement revolving around her.

She is doable, just not by you.

pavo.4371:

Kuzzi.2198:

There are many hardcore players who have been waiting for harder content and now Anet finally gave us some (although we still need some hard Team content)

Please don’t take this away from us. Anet releases plenty of content for the casual players, so please don’t make them nerf the only challenging thing out so far.

Yes, elitism and further separating casual and hardcore is really what GW2 needs. The despicable attitude of CoF1 farmers towards anyone who doesn’t meet their build requirements will now transform into a new kind of elitism: “LFG xy… have liandri mini or kick”. I know plenty of great players who don’t yet have the mini because of the obvious shortcomings such as bugs and lag.

It is not about elitism or separating causal and hardcore. It about giving the players that want a challenge some actual content aimed at them! The simple fact that they want a challenge is going to make the content not fun for many casual players but since most the game is casual and it came out alongside casual content you don’t have right to complain. I don’t PvP much but I’m not going to complain if they get some content.
I very very much doubt were going to be getting “have liandri or kick” being a common thing. Since it just a mini pet it’s not like it is creating a stat gap that stops casual players actually being able to compete or catch up and if by chance you get the odd group doing that just ignore them.
As for the CoF p1 farmers, they are using specific cookie cutter builds and gear that work together because they want to run the dungeon repeatedly as fast as possible. There are always non speed running groups around so as long as everyone specifies whether their doing a standard speed run or not there is no issue. Just join the group that applicable to you and leave them to their thing.

I agree with her difficulty i’m not the QQ more player but I’ve not kill her yet.
I’m arounf 200+ try and the only thing that make me suffer is AoE, just to know i’m colorblind and evading her AoE is not really easy. I’m not asking for a nerf, but at least a way to see that skill better cause i’m stucked on seeing where the AoE pops and most of the time for turning up the camera i die on the shadows xV. Any advice would be appreciated.

As someone who did beat it (on necro), only thing that you could complain is camera (hacked dats show its very possible), getting a epileptic stroke from the blue red lights (and no its not on the player to bandaid the issue with graphical options) blind and aoe indicators being kitten (for short all things that devs could fix with maybe a hour of work each).

Zaeon.3846:

- those with only 1 toon, I have almost 8.5k ap on ele but had to make a lvl 80 mesmer for this thing

Not true. I too have an ele main and completed this fight after about 30 tries (I’m not that great). Scepter/Focus is your friend (you can have 3 OH SHYTE buttons), build for dps, find the right cadence in phase 2 to circle around her. Have a friend go with you to res you and use VOIP so they can call out Orbs for you. You can do it. I have a wife who isn’t fond of my video game hobby a kid and a full time job so, this challenge isn’t only for those with more time than money. It takes persistence and experimentation. Don’t give up and say “I need X class/ X amount of time to do this”. You can do it within 4 weeks.

Katran.9186:

Oh come on, casual “players”. Just learn how to play. Liandri is easy as kitten.

When my partial colorblindness means I can sometimes be staring right at the spot where her AoE is going to hit, looking for it specifically and nothing else, and still not see it, please explain to me how it is an easy fight not based on RNG?

7 tries / ranger here — you can do it too!

There are some valid complaints about latency and visibility. Neverthesless, be like water! Water flows into a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Water flows into a vase, it becomes the vase. Be like water — adapt! As Bruce Lee goes on to say “water can flow or water can crash” — get your flow on and crash Liadri’s weak kitten in phase 2. Peace

She’s beatable, just stupidly broken.

Sampo.9678:

Turn off Post processing in your graphics options to remove the blind effect

Now that is exactly what I needed to know. Disabled that stupid blind then beat her the first try afterwards. Taking away players ability to react is just artificial difficulty anyways.

OP here. I finally got it! All the stars alligned in the right moments— meat from Strugar/Chomper stayed after someone else’s fight and I got it for dps boost. All my phantasmal warden casted at the right moment both took away 80% of Liadri’s hp. And an orb spawned in the right time to rally me up! Luck and fast lvling a mesmer for this thing paid off.

Please don’t nerf her. Only changes that need to be made are to the arena you fight her in itself the rest is fine.

There is a reason the Queens Jubilee and Guantlet are seperate achivement categories with their own metas. This is because the Gauntlet was designed for a certain playerbase while jubilee was designed for the other.

It was never expected (as per their stream) for everyone to beable to complete the gauntlet. My only issue with the gauntlet was the dome in which you fought in the walls and floor could get in the way of seeing clearly at times. The boss itself was great imo.

As for Liadri
I beat her on both my thief and ele after a fair amount of tries and tweaks. A famous golfer once said, “The more I practice the luckier I get” practice makes perfect especiallu in this situation. But if it’s not your cup of tea don’t worry about it you still have the living story achivements to take part in which are very doable.

The orbs are also killable at range via non projectile attacks especially ground targeted ones.

Ty ANet for the challenge. I love to see challenging stuff in the living world. Love the Liadri battle! Just keep fighting her and you’ll find out she’s not too hard.

As to the people QQing about the walls of the dome, I just looked at it as part of the mechanics. Didn’t bother me at all. Treat it as a challenge.

Please don’t nerf her. She’s easy if you understand the mechanics. As for the wall of the dome that people claim messes up their view, well I had to go through it too. I treated it as part of the mechanic rather than QQ about it.

Hohan.4016:

I agree with her difficulty i’m not the QQ more player but I’ve not kill her yet.
I’m arounf 200+ try and the only thing that make me suffer is AoE, just to know i’m colorblind and evading her AoE is not really easy. I’m not asking for a nerf, but at least a way to see that skill better cause i’m stucked on seeing where the AoE pops and most of the time for turning up the camera i die on the shadows xV. Any advice would be appreciated.

Best advice I can give is to make sure you use the same arena every time, and that you get a complete pattern for yourself going from phase 1 to phase 2 until she dies. I am color weak, not completely blind and I can see the red in the top left of this forum just as most other players without “disabilities” can, but I have trouble with, e.g., seeing red hues within red, red in green and so on forth. For the gauntlets, the floors are literally making every single red circle invisible to me, so I share your pain when it comes to this. I was able to overcome it by giving myself a pattern of movement and tasks (like picking up the orb, then throwing it at specific locations, before moving to that location, and so on forth—using the light fields mainly to help me orientate).

For everyone out there that struggle, I do believe in the fact that anyone can do this. You can do this. What matters is that you don’t let it get to you too much. You need to try keep your boiling blood under control and stay calm. Try to get a “zen”-like attitude towards it. Being calm and collected will help you so much when it comes to going at it over and over. Try to distract your brain a bit with some music as well, because when you don’t overthink it, you’re likely to play better as you’re just going through the motions.

There’s plenty of time to achieve your goal, but I do understand the frustration and anger you may feel towards the game right now. I felt the exact same way, and still find it stupid that they put these (actually quite awesome, if not for the arena design annoyances) hard challenges in temporary (though returning in some way or form) content. Not because I don’t necessarily deep down think I can do it, and not because that I think I’m great or anything, I’m not. I just know I’m dedicated and I have a lot of spare time on my hands (working from home). What I hate is that it does exclude a pretty large % of the playerbase. Those that may need a little more time to achieve something, and that doesn’t have the same time on their hands like I do. I never feel like I need to prove myself to others by rubbing it in that I have done something they struggle with. If I wanted to be that special snowflake, I’d try to achieve something in real life where it actually matters. At least in real life it can get you laid.

Can we please not nerf everything just because self-entitled person X cannot beat it, when person Y can. We don’t need watered down content, we need decent challenging content.

Please don’t nerf Liadri, we don’t need watered down content just because some people can’t beat it.

I feel alienated by this fight, not because of the challenge, but because I’ve been screwed out of a reward. I’ve already beaten Liadri 5 times now, but still have yet to actually receive credit. Every time, she dies, her visions disappear, and I’m left in the arena alone. After about 10 seconds, the announcer starts counting down from 5, and the floor opens up dumping me to the floor far below.

Aside from the camera issues, the whip reflection bug, and the red-circle-camouflaging floor pattern, the fight is fine.

Supervillain.8617:

I feel alienated by this fight, not because of the challenge, but because I’ve been screwed out of a reward. I’ve already beaten Liadri 5 times now, but still have yet to actually receive credit. Every time, she dies, her visions disappear, and I’m left in the arena alone. After about 10 seconds, the announcer starts counting down from 5, and the floor opens up dumping me to the floor far below.

Aside from the camera issues, the whip reflection bug, and the red-circle-camouflaging floor pattern, the fight is fine.

That must seriously be annoying. If I ever get that far and that happened to me, I would probably rage and never go near the gauntlets or living story content again. To do it 5 times… that’s some serious patience and sad luck at encountering the bugs

I feel for you.

Supervillain.8617:

I feel alienated by this fight, not because of the challenge, but because I’ve been screwed out of a reward. I’ve already beaten Liadri 5 times now, but still have yet to actually receive credit. Every time, she dies, her visions disappear, and I’m left in the arena alone. After about 10 seconds, the announcer starts counting down from 5, and the floor opens up dumping me to the floor far below.

Aside from the camera issues, the whip reflection bug, and the red-circle-camouflaging floor pattern, the fight is fine.

OUCH. That only happened to me once mid fight, she just disappears and I was stuck in the arena alone in combat mode and can’t port out. Had to relog.

I would be fine with challenging content if it wasn’t temporary. That way, it is possible to get the achievement whenever, rather than limited to a living story update that will disappear in a couple of weeks. This way allows people to learn the fight and get more experienced, as well as give completionists a sense of “peace” that they can complete the achievement whenever, rather than having to try to finish it in the short time period (Many of which will not be able to and they will be very unhappy that they cannot complete the game 100% anymore)

Xiao Haishou.3691:

I would be fine with challenging content if it wasn’t temporary. That way, it is possible to get the achievement whenever, rather than limited to a living story update that will disappear in a couple of weeks. This way allows people to learn the fight and get more experienced, as well as give completionists a sense of “peace” that they can complete the achievement whenever, rather than having to try to finish it in the short time period (Many of which will not be able to and they will be very unhappy that they cannot complete the game 100% anymore)

You’ll be pleased to know that the Queen’s Gauntlet will be returning again in the future, and the achievements can still be completed at that point. So if Liadri and Co. is kicking your kitten, take a break. Do something else. Come back a day, or even a week later and try again. If you can’t get the achievements done this time, there’s always next time the Gauntlet comes to town. If your character is just too low-levelled or undergeared, put the Gauntlet on the back-burner and try again when the Gauntlet returns.

1) Having 2/3 of everything in the fight one-shot you does not make it challenging. Just frustrating.
2) Mechanics that intentionally blind the player are beyond unfair (in before morons saying to turn off post processing and missing the entire point).
3) Having a massive difficulty spike after everything else smoothly transitioning from one battle to another is way to jarring.
4) Not allowing the camera to be properly spaced when first entering just screams lazy/rushed design. It’s hell for Char/Norn players, who have to deal with the camera enough as it is.

The entire encounter pretty much stands as a perfect example of artificial difficulty, and why it’s just dumb. And the only reward you get for beating it is a mini and maybe bragging rights to the few people that actually care.

PolishSausage.1279:

1) Having 2/3 of everything in the fight one-shot you does not make it challenging. Just frustrating.
2) Mechanics that intentionally blind the player are beyond unfair (in before morons saying to turn off post processing and missing the entire point).
3) Having a massive difficulty spike after everything else smoothly transitioning from one battle to another is way to jarring.
4) Not allowing the camera to be properly spaced when first entering just screams lazy/rushed design. It’s hell for Char/Norn players, who have to deal with the camera enough as it is.

The entire encounter pretty much stands as a perfect example of artificial difficulty, and why it’s just dumb. And the only reward you get for beating it is a mini and maybe bragging rights to the few people that actually care.

Frustration and challenge are not mutually exclusive.

Static.9841:

Can we please not nerf everything just because self-entitled person X cannot beat it, when person Y can. We don’t need watered down content, we need decent challenging content.

Can we please not nerf everything just because self-entitled person X has beaten it and doesn’t even want common bugs to be fixed so he can have an excuse for spending 50g and 50 hours on the “easy” content and feel pro about himself.

Liadri fight is just stupid…too many mechanics with bad design of camera angles….class favorism…not casual friendly….and some people say hardcore players needs harder contents….i understand that but what is the idea of making this as a part of achievements??? I like finishing achievements but cuz of these stupid designs I cant….Its first time I write here to complain about something….and this Liadri is just lulz.

I went from 60-80 on my Necro today , scraped together what set I could with 9 gold, and ran the entire gauntlet in around 2 hours. Hit 80 around 11:30 PM and finished Liadri around 1:30 AM. (edit – it was definitely more like 9 gold because I sold a lot of unused crafting mats back)

It’s good to have content that is difficult in the game. Especially this game where far too much of the content is pretty brainless. That said, I don’t think many of the fights in this event are very refined. One snag with making particularly hard content is that the things you get wrong in iteration wind up magnified if they don’t get addressed.

The floor of the arena messing with the visual feedback elements (the AoE indicators) sucks. I don’t care if there is a set pattern or not. This, like the “you’re blinded lawl” post-processing junk during the Liadri fight are gimmicks, and gimmicks are really not the kind of thing you should be looking to dump into content you mean to be properly difficult.

You should also spend more time thinking about the classes you’re going to actually put in the arena with these encounters. I’m sure the eight orbs achievement on Liadri is doable on a Necromancer, but I didn’t even bother because I’m also sure it is a hell of a lot harder than it would be on any other class. As a wise woman once said, ain’t nobody got time fo’ dat.

I’m not trying to sound overly critical – this is the first time the game’s managed to get me to sit down with it for more than an hour or so in months. The game needs more of this, even if it comes in small corners of an update here or there. It’s just also the kind of thing that needs a little more care than your average piece of content. I hope when this gauntlet returns it’ll be even better.

pavo.4371:

Static.9841:

Can we please not nerf everything just because self-entitled person X cannot beat it, when person Y can. We don’t need watered down content, we need decent challenging content.

Can we please not nerf everything just because self-entitled person X has beaten it and doesn’t even want common bugs to be fixed so he can have an excuse for spending 50g and 50 hours on the “easy” content and feel pro about himself.

So now people who won are self-entitled? That’s a totally rational argument. Did everyone in the game beat Clock Tower JP during the Halloween event? No. Did I? No. Do I care? No. That kind of kills your argument doesn it.

Which part of my enjoying a challenge says “I want to feel pro about myself”? If you’re going to make an argument, make it a logical/rational one instead of a knee-jerk reaction just because you can’t finish something that others did.

Can you also explain to me how a nerf in any way relates to bug fixing? A nerf implies making something easier, not fixing bugs. Again, not a rational argument.

Do you own a Ferrari? Do you get upset when people do and think that you should have an equal chance at getting one? Don’t be so absurd.

Is ferrari a rare drop in Gw2? XD