Guild Wars 2

I rarely post on those forums, but for once I think I shall give a (I hope) honest feedback and opinion about the Gauntlet.
I have initially avoided the Gauntlet like the plague because I’ve heard of the eccessive punishment it inflicted on players, in a game already quite full of gold sinks: queues, armor breaks, token espenses, the cost of waypointing back, the time necessary to return to the arenas. Not to forget the fact that the whole gauntlet is, once again, temporary. In all honesty, those things kinda made me avoid it.
Yet, spending so much time in the pavilion made me wonder about it, so I slowly moved through the different tiers, which to be honest I found very easy. Somehow ridiculously so, with a couple of exceptions (The pirate crew in particular). In all of this, I always excluded the possibility of doing Liadri, especially because I’ve heard so many terrible things about her.
Then of course the moment arrived. Surprised, I started doing her and immediately noticed that she appeared to me incredibly fair, even though she requires an appropriate amount of trial and error. I started doing her again and again, never hoping in luck or miracles but trying to learn as much as possible from every try, especially considering how big the punishment was: how much time it took to grab and throw a cristal; how big the hitbox of the vision of mortality was; how big the aggro radius of the visions was; the correct timing of the red circles, so that in case of emergency I could use my invincibility frames to avoid the attack itself (making the “search the empty spot” more of an added layer rather than the only possibility); learned the correct positioning, accustoming myself to the problems of the arena (yes, problems like the obstructed and the camera may not be fair, but crying about it wouldn’t have given me any minipet or victory without finding a solution) and so on. Basically, I applied learning strategies that work well in Dark Souls (Please, forgive me for using that game as an example, but I am nowhere comparing the gameplays of those two games and I’ve played it far too much), since Liadri gave me a very Ornstein/Smough kind of feeling (Another fight that seems almost impossible / based on luck to those that do not know the nuances of it).
I went in denial a couple of times, I tried blaming the game, I tried using the “It’s all luck” card. But in the end I knew it was just my fault (the fact that people out there can do Liadri consistently pretty much deny any possible argument that she is entirely luck-based) and so I continued doing her again and again and again, every time getting better or knowing something more. And yes, in the meantime I was having incredible fun (even though I did hate having to walk back all the way). And then, a couple of days ago, I finally managed to down her and now I am a proud owner of that minipet. And I did not do her with raw damage, zerk power or something else: I am a 0/10/0/30/30 ele specced in condition removal in knight’s gear and after going in timeout a couple of times I decided that my best strategy was stacking might in melee (yes, while avoiding the red circles of death). And I like to think it was skill that made me win, not luck (I did have to rally with an orb at a point though because in the middle of the phase 2 I couldn’t waste time fighting rifts and things escalated at a certain point).

In the end, I think Anet did something really good with the gauntlet: they tried to express the hidden potential of a fighting engine that, up to now, was kinda relegated to zergs and giant chain of champions and, for the most part, succeded at it. Indeed, bugs are everywhere and the whole thing requires a bit of polish, but for the majority works well. And yes, I do believe that it’s fair for the game to only reward people that where constant enough and patient to learn.

In general, the gauntlet itself is the single most promising thing I’ve seen in this game in a very long time and I can see Anet using it to test how players react to those things and how themselves can create this kind of content.

I have been incredibly harsh of Anet in the first year, but I believe things are improving at an incredible steady peace. Keep up the good work developers, for I had a lot of fun those days. And for those people that really want to beat Liadri and think it’s impossible, just try again, learn more and never surrender.

Ukyo.8501:

I have been incredibly harsh of Anet in the first year, but I believe things are improving at an incredible steady peace. Keep up the good work developers, for I had a lot of fun those days. And for those people that really want to beat Liadri and think it’s impossible, just try again, learn more and never surrender.

Glad you enjoyed yourself… But I left the “I can do this! I know I can!” optimism phase on day three-four, roughly between attempts number 130-180. It’s now day five, just finished attempt number 224 and I’m somewhere in the “wtf is wrong with me?” phase.

i wonder what game Ukyo is playing
not to mention tl,dr

i beat liadri yesterday, i still think it’s junk
short of a dragon showing up and blasting the arena back into a sink hole
also opening up tons of Actual content and lore, i wouldn’t be surprised if more people left the game

also, i agree with the sentiment that if they nerfed liadri so others can get their mini
i wouldn’t argue with that

Not everyone needs to be able to succeed at everything.

Not everything needs to be fair and balanced.

Durian.5419:

Not everyone needs to be able to succeed at everything.

Not everything needs to be fair and balanced.

Oh no, by all means. Lets let a huge portion of the player-base feel like utter failures after losing almost everything they own trying their very best. Really draws ’em in, lemme tell ya.

Respect your opinion and all, but disagree. It would be totally different if you could still get the mini over a period of time, (cause I have zero qualms about grinding to get something I want or I’d not still be farming bones for Endless Quiver) but since the event is limited that’s not the case.

I’ve got one thing to say to you all: shush.

Here’s a crazy idea: If you’re not good enough at the game to do something, don’t do it? Don’t kitten up the forums blaming it on lag, on your class (b-b-b-but warriors are overpowred xD! I did it on an engi far, far easier than a warrior), on bugs, on “unfair mechanics”, on anything like that, instead of your own kittening inability to do something. It is OKAY to be not good enough to do something that doesn’t give you vital rewards. I would understand if it locked you away from ascended or a legendary or something palpable, but it’s a kittening mini. You do not HAVE to be the best players ever, it’s deliberately designed to be CHALLENGING content and therefore almost by definition not completable by people who are not capable of doing it.

Entitlement here is through the roof. I’ve never seen anything like this, it’s disgusting.

Osred.3864:

KStudios.2850:

Durian.5419:

Not everyone needs to be able to succeed at everything.

Not everything needs to be fair and balanced.

Oh no, by all means. Lets let a huge portion of the player-base feel like utter failures after losing almost everything they own trying their very best. Really draws ’em in, lemme tell ya.

Respect your opinion and all, but disagree. It would be totally different if you could still get the mini over a period of time, (cause I have zero qualms about grinding to get something I want or I’d not still be farming bones for Endless Quiver) but since the event is limited that’s not the case.

Get good and then maybe you’ll be able to win it. Stop being an entitled brat that expects everything handed to them on a plate. I can’t believe you put ‘skill’ on the same level as ‘grinding’.

And then there’s these people. ^

Yes, by all means, my being an utter failure explains everything doesn’t it? It explains away the five days of trying, coming out with only a single gold remaining. Nothing else to show for the missing time. No dailies, no nothing. I defer and bow to your superior skill, oh great beater of scary exploding clone ladies.

I will say at least my bank is much cleaner. I hawked most of its contents to pay for more tickets.

KStudios.2850:

Osred.3864:

KStudios.2850:

Durian.5419:

Not everyone needs to be able to succeed at everything.

Not everything needs to be fair and balanced.

Oh no, by all means. Lets let a huge portion of the player-base feel like utter failures after losing almost everything they own trying their very best. Really draws ’em in, lemme tell ya.

Respect your opinion and all, but disagree. It would be totally different if you could still get the mini over a period of time, (cause I have zero qualms about grinding to get something I want or I’d not still be farming bones for Endless Quiver) but since the event is limited that’s not the case.

Get good and then maybe you’ll be able to win it. Stop being an entitled brat that expects everything handed to them on a plate. I can’t believe you put ‘skill’ on the same level as ‘grinding’.

And then there’s these people. ^

Yes, by all means, my being an utter failure explains everything doesn’t it? It explains away the five days of trying, coming out with only a single gold remaining. Nothing else to show for the missing time. No dailies, no nothing. I defer and bow to your superior skill, oh great beater of scary exploding clone ladies.

I will say at least my bank is much cleaner. I hawked most of its contents to pay for more tickets.

Your fault not mine.

KStudios.2850:

Osred.3864:

KStudios.2850:

Durian.5419:

Not everyone needs to be able to succeed at everything.

Not everything needs to be fair and balanced.

Oh no, by all means. Lets let a huge portion of the player-base feel like utter failures after losing almost everything they own trying their very best. Really draws ’em in, lemme tell ya.

Respect your opinion and all, but disagree. It would be totally different if you could still get the mini over a period of time, (cause I have zero qualms about grinding to get something I want or I’d not still be farming bones for Endless Quiver) but since the event is limited that’s not the case.

Get good and then maybe you’ll be able to win it. Stop being an entitled brat that expects everything handed to them on a plate. I can’t believe you put ‘skill’ on the same level as ‘grinding’.

And then there’s these people. ^

Yes, by all means, my being an utter failure explains everything doesn’t it? It explains away the five days of trying, coming out with only a single gold remaining. Nothing else to show for the missing time. No dailies, no nothing. I defer and bow to your superior skill, oh great beater of scary exploding clone ladies.

I will say at least my bank is much cleaner. I hawked most of its contents to pay for more tickets.

Maybe you should have stopped.

Writetyper.1985:

I’ve got one thing to say to you all: shush.

Here’s a crazy idea: If you’re not good enough at the game to do something, don’t do it? Don’t kitten up the forums blaming it on lag, on your class (b-b-b-but warriors are overpowred xD! I did it on an engi far, far easier than a warrior), on bugs, on “unfair mechanics”, on anything like that, instead of your own kittening inability to do something. It is OKAY to be not good enough to do something that doesn’t give you vital rewards. I would understand if it locked you away from ascended or a legendary or something palpable, but it’s a kittening mini. You do not HAVE to be the best players ever, it’s deliberately designed to be CHALLENGING content and therefore almost by definition not completable by people who are not capable of doing it.

Entitlement here is through the roof. I’ve never seen anything like this, it’s disgusting.

I couldn’t care less for the challenge. I already stated it’s not about the gold, bragging rights, achievements, etc. Simply wanted the mini, that’s it. I collect them. Were it anything else I’d have no trouble walking away… if I even bothered in the first place.

So forgive me for being sad that my collection will now be irrevocably incomplete despite my best efforts, and do mean my best. Guess I should just uninstall and move beyond my obvious lack of ability eh?

Writetyper.1985:

KStudios.2850:

Osred.3864:

KStudios.2850:

Durian.5419:

Not everyone needs to be able to succeed at everything.

Not everything needs to be fair and balanced.

Oh no, by all means. Lets let a huge portion of the player-base feel like utter failures after losing almost everything they own trying their very best. Really draws ’em in, lemme tell ya.

Respect your opinion and all, but disagree. It would be totally different if you could still get the mini over a period of time, (cause I have zero qualms about grinding to get something I want or I’d not still be farming bones for Endless Quiver) but since the event is limited that’s not the case.

Get good and then maybe you’ll be able to win it. Stop being an entitled brat that expects everything handed to them on a plate. I can’t believe you put ‘skill’ on the same level as ‘grinding’.

And then there’s these people. ^

Yes, by all means, my being an utter failure explains everything doesn’t it? It explains away the five days of trying, coming out with only a single gold remaining. Nothing else to show for the missing time. No dailies, no nothing. I defer and bow to your superior skill, oh great beater of scary exploding clone ladies.

I will say at least my bank is much cleaner. I hawked most of its contents to pay for more tickets.

Maybe you should have stopped.

Oh I have. I’ve got nothing left to give, and nothing to show for any of it. Enjoy your mini.

I’ll go start something more my skill level. Maybe crafting.

Osred.3864:

KStudios.2850:

Osred.3864:

KStudios.2850:

Durian.5419:

Not everyone needs to be able to succeed at everything.

Not everything needs to be fair and balanced.

Oh no, by all means. Lets let a huge portion of the player-base feel like utter failures after losing almost everything they own trying their very best. Really draws ’em in, lemme tell ya.

Respect your opinion and all, but disagree. It would be totally different if you could still get the mini over a period of time, (cause I have zero qualms about grinding to get something I want or I’d not still be farming bones for Endless Quiver) but since the event is limited that’s not the case.

Get good and then maybe you’ll be able to win it. Stop being an entitled brat that expects everything handed to them on a plate. I can’t believe you put ‘skill’ on the same level as ‘grinding’.

And then there’s these people. ^

Yes, by all means, my being an utter failure explains everything doesn’t it? It explains away the five days of trying, coming out with only a single gold remaining. Nothing else to show for the missing time. No dailies, no nothing. I defer and bow to your superior skill, oh great beater of scary exploding clone ladies.

I will say at least my bank is much cleaner. I hawked most of its contents to pay for more tickets.

Your fault not mine.

You must be so popular…

Writetyper.1985:

I’ve got one thing to say to you all: shush.

Here’s a crazy idea: If you’re not good enough at the game to do something, don’t do it? Don’t kitten up the forums blaming it on lag, on your class (b-b-b-but warriors are overpowred xD! I did it on an engi far, far easier than a warrior), on bugs, on “unfair mechanics”, on anything like that, instead of your own kittening inability to do something. It is OKAY to be not good enough to do something that doesn’t give you vital rewards. I would understand if it locked you away from ascended or a legendary or something palpable, but it’s a kittening mini. You do not HAVE to be the best players ever, it’s deliberately designed to be CHALLENGING content and therefore almost by definition not completable by people who are not capable of doing it.

Entitlement here is through the roof. I’ve never seen anything like this, it’s disgusting.

sounds like the entitlement of elitists like you asking for more hard content even though the game is more for casuals lol. The irony!

AnarchyMike.2597:

Guess we’re entitled then. At the end of the day I have the mini and people who suck dont.

And this pretty much sums up the attitude of those who want hard content. It’s not about the challenge. It’s not about the achievement. It’s about being able to tell other people that they suck. Congratulations. That’s definitely a great way to foster a community. /sarcasm

Do you see this, ANet devs? This is what happens when you insist on creating content that “isn’t meant for everyone”. The people who get left out are upset, and the people who the content was meant for get to sneer and jeer at them. Good going.

minbariguy.7504:

AnarchyMike.2597:

Guess we’re entitled then. At the end of the day I have the mini and people who suck dont.

And this pretty much sums up the attitude of those who want hard content. It’s not about the challenge. It’s not about the achievement. It’s about being able to tell other people that they suck. Congratulations. That’s definitely a great way to foster a community. /sarcasm

Do you see this, ANet devs? This is what happens when you insist on creating content that “isn’t meant for everyone”. The people who get left out are upset, and the people who the content was meant for get to sneer and jeer at them. Good going.

Meh… There are those than in life have yet to learn that it is entirely possible to commit no mistakes, to give everything one has, and still lose. That is not a weakness, it is a simple life fact. It’s a game I know, but it applies no less here than anywhere else. I gave it my all and held out for 237 attempts. Far more than most probably would have. If they’re obliged to feel that this somehow makes them a better person than I, then that’s their prerogative and their free right.

Kronus.6048:

sounds like the entitlement of elitists like you asking for more hard content even though the game is more for casuals lol. The irony!

I don’t have a horse in the race, but that statement about the game being more for casuals prompts a comment. Yes, a lot of the game is pretty easy for some players. If that makes it casual-friendly in your book, so be it. So, who is “more” entitled, players at whom very little of the game’s content (percentage-wise) is aimed, or the people at whom most of the content is aimed, and who ask that the small percentage of harder content be made easier?

I just think this fight needed more polish before release.
Multiple enemies/leftovers from previous fight/other glitchs needed fixing
Resurrection upon failing/time out wouldve been nice
Having the Arena above an area where lots of players would be fighting was a cool idea but bad in practice
I also had problems with clones bunching up on top of each other and yet only 1 of them vanishing in a pool of light leaving several clones on top of an orb that will rapidly vanish even after I pick it up.
Was the orb being obstructed by ranged intended? If so BAD FORM Ive failed to rally twice because of that message. Also being killed by clones after using Shield Stance/Endure Pain because of lag was frustrating.
Frustrating describes Liadri in general, all I felt after beating her was relief that I didnt have to do it anymore (the 8 orbs can be for the die hard achievement hunters)
I wouldve preferred her fight to be a little simpler as I feel my victory was mostly due to luck and having the time to repeatedly attempt to beat her.
I was lucky that all the orbs that spawned after her invulnerability wore off were nearby and all I had to do wakitten them with rifle 5 (and none of them missed/obstructed)
idk how you would tone her down but stop from being regularly pulled and/or cripple would make the fight easier without taking the challenge from the fight

Kronus.6048:

Sylentir.8913:

Sawnic.6795:

Shpongle.6025:

I say, give easy mode and hard mode.

Easy mode: Liadri has 75% less HP, does 75% less damage, and does not have a cripple skill. No rifts spawn and once phase 2 starts, the aoe 1shot kills stop. Remove all 1 shot kills.

Hard mode: The way it is now.

Rewards for easy mode: both achievements and the miniature
Rewards for hard mode: botch achievements, the miniature and 10gold

EDIT: oh, and people don’t spawn DEAD outside the dome on the catwalk. We spawn alive and well.

Translation:

“Give me a free mini.”

Swap the rewards and I’ll support it. Easymode and hardmode both get 10g, while hardmode only gives the mini.

The whole point of the mini is for the hardmode players to have some form of representation that they are indeed hardmode. There is currently no other means ingame (Sorry legendary users, I respect you but have no proof of skill).

Not true. Let’s be honest, how many times have you sent your minion to the bank? I’ve sent mine countless times when depositing all simply because you cannot lock them. On the other hand after completing the event I wouldn’t mind if they nerfed the content to make it easier because guess what? It doesn’t make my prize any worse than someone else. I would still know that I acquired my mini the HARD way and overall it did not make me look toward future content since I know the moment they add liandri 2.0 I’m deleting gw2.

It doesn’t matter /what/ it is, I worked for the prize I was given. If they suddenly made it much easier, I will be kitten ed regardless of what the reward was because now my reward was in vein. I could have waited and gotten it easier.

My issues with Liadri is the camera, this game’s camera has always been garbage but the Gauntlet shows you how truly pathetic it is, also the ground being redish like her red rings of death is another issue, to combat this i had to adjust the hue on my monitor, first time ever i have had to do this for a game…this game camera make Ninja Gaiden’s camera look like a masterpiece

I’m sure on the eve of several highly anticipated mmos coming out, taking the route of alienating most of your playerbase by not only making the living story content- which people DO expect to be able to reasonably do- nearly impossible AS WELL as being very costly and time consuming is going to reward Anet in the end.

fungihoujo.8476:

I’m sure on the eve of several highly anticipated mmos coming out, taking the route of alienating most of your playerbase by not only making the living story content- which people DO expect to be able to reasonably do- nearly impossible AS WELL as being very costly and time consuming is going to reward Anet in the end.

So far that scenario has only happened once and that’s okay. But if they keep doing it every 2 weeks, making content that they expect only a small portion of people to be able to complete then we’re gonna have some problems.

fellyn.5083:

So far that scenario has only happened once and that’s okay. But if they keep doing it every 2 weeks, making content that they expect only a small portion of people to be able to complete then we’re gonna have some problems.

I recall them saying the same thing about the Clock Tower event (that they only expected a small percentage of players to be able to complete it), so make that at least twice.

And frankly, we don’t really know what their expectations are when they release content unless they tell us. Who knows how many times, when designing content, someone on the team may have pointed out that something might be too difficult for many players only to be overruled by devs who really don’t care about that particular demographic? This dev team seems aggressively devoted to designing content that they know many players will be frustrated with, all in the name of providing a “challenge”.

minbariguy.7504:

fellyn.5083:

So far that scenario has only happened once and that’s okay. But if they keep doing it every 2 weeks, making content that they expect only a small portion of people to be able to complete then we’re gonna have some problems.

I recall them saying the same thing about the Clock Tower event (that they only expected a small percentage of players to be able to complete it), so make that at least twice.

And frankly, we don’t really know what their expectations are when they release content unless they tell us. Who knows how many times, when designing content, someone on the team may have pointed out that something might be too difficult for many players only to be overruled by devs who really don’t care about that particular demographic? This dev team seems aggressively devoted to designing content that they know many players will be frustrated with, all in the name of providing a “challenge”.

And there’s nothing wrong with that.

Sawnic.6795:

Kronus.6048:

Sylentir.8913:

Sawnic.6795:

Shpongle.6025:

I say, give easy mode and hard mode.

Easy mode: Liadri has 75% less HP, does 75% less damage, and does not have a cripple skill. No rifts spawn and once phase 2 starts, the aoe 1shot kills stop. Remove all 1 shot kills.

Hard mode: The way it is now.

Rewards for easy mode: both achievements and the miniature
Rewards for hard mode: botch achievements, the miniature and 10gold

EDIT: oh, and people don’t spawn DEAD outside the dome on the catwalk. We spawn alive and well.

Translation:

“Give me a free mini.”

Swap the rewards and I’ll support it. Easymode and hardmode both get 10g, while hardmode only gives the mini.

The whole point of the mini is for the hardmode players to have some form of representation that they are indeed hardmode. There is currently no other means ingame (Sorry legendary users, I respect you but have no proof of skill).

Not true. Let’s be honest, how many times have you sent your minion to the bank? I’ve sent mine countless times when depositing all simply because you cannot lock them. On the other hand after completing the event I wouldn’t mind if they nerfed the content to make it easier because guess what? It doesn’t make my prize any worse than someone else. I would still know that I acquired my mini the HARD way and overall it did not make me look toward future content since I know the moment they add liandri 2.0 I’m deleting gw2.

It doesn’t matter /what/ it is, I worked for the prize I was given. If they suddenly made it much easier, I will be kitten ed regardless of what the reward was because now my reward was in vein. I could have waited and gotten it easier.

Lol, so in other words it’s an entitlement thing? Personally, I’ve tried 150+ times before achieving it and I would not feel cheated by the prize simply because personally I know I worked harder to get mine, and I don’t have to shove it in other people’s faces that I’m more ’’pro’’ than them.

 
i have 1 main and 1 alt that isn’t even leveled
i beat liadri on my main simply by utilizing a certain strategy, it wasn’t much different from the other matches.. just more, clockwork

was it a challenge? i’m sure there are Many challenges in the game i haven’t even approached
sadly, this was living world content and ArenaNet felt the best way to ‘peak players interest’ was waving a mini in front of their faces..

we aren’t dogs or little children ArenaNet, you don’t need to wave a treat in front of our faces to get us to do something.. or, are your updates simply so devoid of meaning that you have resorted to this?

what’s further saddening is the fact that so many have failed to recognize ArenaNet’s failed ‘pacify the high-end gear’ crowd agenda.. they were simply too lazy to provide varied difficulties and award accordingly.. Hard Liadri, gold medel; Easy Liadri, silver medal

as it currently stands: Get Gold or Go Home
absolutely absurd.. that simply translates to losing customers

as for the chest thumping nine year olds
i did ‘conquer the challenge’ and if they nerfed liadri i wouldn’t feel cheated
the only people who have been cheated here are the gw2 customers who were simply Excluded
no choice, no respect
simply cheated

This thread…whiners everywhere.

And some of the logic you guys use to justify why the content should be nerfed boggles the mind. Do people not know what an achievement is anymore? You don’t nerf something simply because the majority of people can’t do it. It’s an achievement, not a requirement. If all achievements were doable by everyone with minimal effort then whats the kitten point of even having achievements?

Kronus.6048:

Sawnic.6795:

Kronus.6048:

Sylentir.8913:

Sawnic.6795:

Shpongle.6025:

I say, give easy mode and hard mode.

Easy mode: Liadri has 75% less HP, does 75% less damage, and does not have a cripple skill. No rifts spawn and once phase 2 starts, the aoe 1shot kills stop. Remove all 1 shot kills.

Hard mode: The way it is now.

Rewards for easy mode: both achievements and the miniature
Rewards for hard mode: botch achievements, the miniature and 10gold

EDIT: oh, and people don’t spawn DEAD outside the dome on the catwalk. We spawn alive and well.

Translation:

“Give me a free mini.”

Swap the rewards and I’ll support it. Easymode and hardmode both get 10g, while hardmode only gives the mini.

The whole point of the mini is for the hardmode players to have some form of representation that they are indeed hardmode. There is currently no other means ingame (Sorry legendary users, I respect you but have no proof of skill).

Not true. Let’s be honest, how many times have you sent your minion to the bank? I’ve sent mine countless times when depositing all simply because you cannot lock them. On the other hand after completing the event I wouldn’t mind if they nerfed the content to make it easier because guess what? It doesn’t make my prize any worse than someone else. I would still know that I acquired my mini the HARD way and overall it did not make me look toward future content since I know the moment they add liandri 2.0 I’m deleting gw2.

It doesn’t matter /what/ it is, I worked for the prize I was given. If they suddenly made it much easier, I will be kitten ed regardless of what the reward was because now my reward was in vein. I could have waited and gotten it easier.

Lol, so in other words it’s an entitlement thing? Personally, I’ve tried 150+ times before achieving it and I would not feel cheated by the prize simply because personally I know I worked harder to get mine, and I don’t have to shove it in other people’s faces that I’m more ’’pro’’ than them.

Do you not know what an achievement is?

Sawnic.6795:

Kronus.6048:

Sawnic.6795:

Kronus.6048:

Sylentir.8913:

Sawnic.6795:

Shpongle.6025:

I say, give easy mode and hard mode.

Easy mode: Liadri has 75% less HP, does 75% less damage, and does not have a cripple skill. No rifts spawn and once phase 2 starts, the aoe 1shot kills stop. Remove all 1 shot kills.

Hard mode: The way it is now.

Rewards for easy mode: both achievements and the miniature
Rewards for hard mode: botch achievements, the miniature and 10gold

EDIT: oh, and people don’t spawn DEAD outside the dome on the catwalk. We spawn alive and well.

Translation:

“Give me a free mini.”

Swap the rewards and I’ll support it. Easymode and hardmode both get 10g, while hardmode only gives the mini.

The whole point of the mini is for the hardmode players to have some form of representation that they are indeed hardmode. There is currently no other means ingame (Sorry legendary users, I respect you but have no proof of skill).

Not true. Let’s be honest, how many times have you sent your minion to the bank? I’ve sent mine countless times when depositing all simply because you cannot lock them. On the other hand after completing the event I wouldn’t mind if they nerfed the content to make it easier because guess what? It doesn’t make my prize any worse than someone else. I would still know that I acquired my mini the HARD way and overall it did not make me look toward future content since I know the moment they add liandri 2.0 I’m deleting gw2.

It doesn’t matter /what/ it is, I worked for the prize I was given. If they suddenly made it much easier, I will be kitten ed regardless of what the reward was because now my reward was in vein. I could have waited and gotten it easier.

Lol, so in other words it’s an entitlement thing? Personally, I’ve tried 150+ times before achieving it and I would not feel cheated by the prize simply because personally I know I worked harder to get mine, and I don’t have to shove it in other people’s faces that I’m more ’’pro’’ than them.

Do you not know what an achievement is?

indeed an objective accomplished through either skill or perseverance. HOWEVER, they should just give the dang mini to people with 150-200+ tries,that’s some serious perseverance.

Kronus.6048:

Sawnic.6795:

Kronus.6048:

Sawnic.6795:

Kronus.6048:

Sylentir.8913:

Sawnic.6795:

Shpongle.6025:

I say, give easy mode and hard mode.

Easy mode: Liadri has 75% less HP, does 75% less damage, and does not have a cripple skill. No rifts spawn and once phase 2 starts, the aoe 1shot kills stop. Remove all 1 shot kills.

Hard mode: The way it is now.

Rewards for easy mode: both achievements and the miniature
Rewards for hard mode: botch achievements, the miniature and 10gold

EDIT: oh, and people don’t spawn DEAD outside the dome on the catwalk. We spawn alive and well.

Translation:

"Give me a free mini."

Swap the rewards and I’ll support it. Easymode and hardmode both get 10g, while hardmode only gives the mini.

The whole point of the mini is for the hardmode players to have some form of representation that they are indeed hardmode. There is currently no other means ingame (Sorry legendary users, I respect you but have no proof of skill).

Not true. Let’s be honest, how many times have you sent your minion to the bank? I’ve sent mine countless times when depositing all simply because you cannot lock them. On the other hand after completing the event I wouldn’t mind if they nerfed the content to make it easier because guess what? It doesn’t make my prize any worse than someone else. I would still know that I acquired my mini the HARD way and overall it did not make me look toward future content since I know the moment they add liandri 2.0 I’m deleting gw2.

It doesn’t matter /what/ it is, I worked for the prize I was given. If they suddenly made it much easier, I will be kitten ed regardless of what the reward was because now my reward was in vein. I could have waited and gotten it easier.

Lol, so in other words it’s an entitlement thing? Personally, I’ve tried 150+ times before achieving it and I would not feel cheated by the prize simply because personally I know I worked harder to get mine, and I don’t have to shove it in other people’s faces that I’m more ’’pro’’ than them.

Do you not know what an achievement is?

indeed an objective accomplished through either skill or perseverance. HOWEVER, they should just give the dang mini to people with 150-200+ tries,that’s some serious perseverance.

So you know what it is, you just don’t understand it.

-[edit]-

No, they shouldn’t just give it to people who try so many times. I could start up the fight then just afk and voila. No perseverance or anything.

Sawnic.6795:

Kronus.6048:

Sawnic.6795:

Kronus.6048:

Sawnic.6795:

Kronus.6048:

Sylentir.8913:

Sawnic.6795:

Shpongle.6025:

I say, give easy mode and hard mode.

Easy mode: Liadri has 75% less HP, does 75% less damage, and does not have a cripple skill. No rifts spawn and once phase 2 starts, the aoe 1shot kills stop. Remove all 1 shot kills.

Hard mode: The way it is now.

Rewards for easy mode: both achievements and the miniature
Rewards for hard mode: botch achievements, the miniature and 10gold

EDIT: oh, and people don’t spawn DEAD outside the dome on the catwalk. We spawn alive and well.

Translation:

“Give me a free mini.”

Swap the rewards and I’ll support it. Easymode and hardmode both get 10g, while hardmode only gives the mini.

The whole point of the mini is for the hardmode players to have some form of representation that they are indeed hardmode. There is currently no other means ingame (Sorry legendary users, I respect you but have no proof of skill).

Not true. Let’s be honest, how many times have you sent your minion to the bank? I’ve sent mine countless times when depositing all simply because you cannot lock them. On the other hand after completing the event I wouldn’t mind if they nerfed the content to make it easier because guess what? It doesn’t make my prize any worse than someone else. I would still know that I acquired my mini the HARD way and overall it did not make me look toward future content since I know the moment they add liandri 2.0 I’m deleting gw2.

It doesn’t matter /what/ it is, I worked for the prize I was given. If they suddenly made it much easier, I will be kitten ed regardless of what the reward was because now my reward was in vein. I could have waited and gotten it easier.

Lol, so in other words it’s an entitlement thing? Personally, I’ve tried 150+ times before achieving it and I would not feel cheated by the prize simply because personally I know I worked harder to get mine, and I don’t have to shove it in other people’s faces that I’m more ’’pro’’ than them.

Do you not know what an achievement is?

indeed an objective accomplished through either skill or perseverance. HOWEVER, they should just give the dang mini to people with 150-200+ tries,that’s some serious perseverance.

So you know what it is, you just don’t understand it.

-[edit]-

No, they shouldn’t just give it to people who try so many times. I could start up the fight then just afk and voila. No perseverance or anything.

Do you know what entrapment is? It’s inducing a person commit an act that the person would otherwise have been unlikely to perform. Putting a mini at the end of Gauntlet did just that. I’d not have bothered for 237 attempts otherwise. Spending the 18.5 initial gold, plus the $10 actual money to sell the gems for even more tickets, repairs, waypoints fees, etc. All in all w’ere talking about around $20 USD after all is said and done in actual ingame gold equivalent expense. Again, as stated had it not been a mini, I’d not have bothered.

Am I saying that I therefore deserve that mini via expense alone? Not necessarily. But does it seem right to you that something to be acquired in a game should be THAT HARD to achieve? Further still be the only method of receiving said item? Even further still be part of a limited time event? If so, you’re in the same camp with a certain someone else earlier in this post. Whose comment to me has since been deleted but stated, “at the end of the day I got my mini and the people that suck don’t.”

KStudios.2850:

Sawnic.6795:

Kronus.6048:

Sawnic.6795:

Kronus.6048:

Sawnic.6795:

Kronus.6048:

Sylentir.8913:

Sawnic.6795:

Shpongle.6025:

I say, give easy mode and hard mode.

Easy mode: Liadri has 75% less HP, does 75% less damage, and does not have a cripple skill. No rifts spawn and once phase 2 starts, the aoe 1shot kills stop. Remove all 1 shot kills.

Hard mode: The way it is now.

Rewards for easy mode: both achievements and the miniature
Rewards for hard mode: botch achievements, the miniature and 10gold

EDIT: oh, and people don’t spawn DEAD outside the dome on the catwalk. We spawn alive and well.

Translation:

“Give me a free mini.”

Swap the rewards and I’ll support it. Easymode and hardmode both get 10g, while hardmode only gives the mini.

The whole point of the mini is for the hardmode players to have some form of representation that they are indeed hardmode. There is currently no other means ingame (Sorry legendary users, I respect you but have no proof of skill).

Not true. Let’s be honest, how many times have you sent your minion to the bank? I’ve sent mine countless times when depositing all simply because you cannot lock them. On the other hand after completing the event I wouldn’t mind if they nerfed the content to make it easier because guess what? It doesn’t make my prize any worse than someone else. I would still know that I acquired my mini the HARD way and overall it did not make me look toward future content since I know the moment they add liandri 2.0 I’m deleting gw2.

It doesn’t matter /what/ it is, I worked for the prize I was given. If they suddenly made it much easier, I will be kitten ed regardless of what the reward was because now my reward was in vein. I could have waited and gotten it easier.

Lol, so in other words it’s an entitlement thing? Personally, I’ve tried 150+ times before achieving it and I would not feel cheated by the prize simply because personally I know I worked harder to get mine, and I don’t have to shove it in other people’s faces that I’m more ’’pro’’ than them.

Do you not know what an achievement is?

indeed an objective accomplished through either skill or perseverance. HOWEVER, they should just give the dang mini to people with 150-200+ tries,that’s some serious perseverance.

So you know what it is, you just don’t understand it.

-[edit]-

No, they shouldn’t just give it to people who try so many times. I could start up the fight then just afk and voila. No perseverance or anything.

Do you know what entrapment is? It’s inducing a person commit an act that the person would otherwise have been unlikely to perform. Putting a mini at the end of Gauntlet did just that. I’d not have bothered for 237 attempts otherwise. Spending the 18.5 initial gold, plus the $10 actual money to sell the gems for even more tickets, repairs, waypoints fees, etc. All in all w’ere talking about around $20 USD after all is said and done in actual ingame gold equivalent expense. Again, as stated had it not been a mini, I’d not have bothered.

Am I saying that I therefore deserve that mini via expense alone? Not necessarily. But does it seem right to you that something to be acquired in a game should be THAT HARD to achieve? Further still be the only method of receiving said item? Even further still be part of a limited time event? If so, you’re in the same camp with a certain someone else earlier in this post. Whose comment to me has since been deleted but stated, “at the end of the day I got my mini and the people that suck don’t.”

Entrapment? Seriously?

Dude, you can farm Deadeye and make ~25g in an hour depending on your class. If you can’t even do that, then it’s a matter of your skill. I’m not going to go all elitist on you, but Liadri is not that hard. It is all pattern, the same things happening at the same times (bugs/glitches not included) and just being one step ahead of it. I can even tell you step by step how the fight goes. Memorizing it is what helped me.

Let’s start here, what’s your class/build?
Do you have any other fully geared alts?

GuardianOMS.8067:

KStudios.2850:

Sawnic.6795:

Kronus.6048:

Sawnic.6795:

Kronus.6048:

Sawnic.6795:

Kronus.6048:

Sylentir.8913:

Sawnic.6795:

Shpongle.6025:

I say, give easy mode and hard mode.

Easy mode: Liadri has 75% less HP, does 75% less damage, and does not have a cripple skill. No rifts spawn and once phase 2 starts, the aoe 1shot kills stop. Remove all 1 shot kills.

Hard mode: The way it is now.

Rewards for easy mode: both achievements and the miniature
Rewards for hard mode: botch achievements, the miniature and 10gold

EDIT: oh, and people don’t spawn DEAD outside the dome on the catwalk. We spawn alive and well.

Translation:

“Give me a free mini.”

Swap the rewards and I’ll support it. Easymode and hardmode both get 10g, while hardmode only gives the mini.

The whole point of the mini is for the hardmode players to have some form of representation that they are indeed hardmode. There is currently no other means ingame (Sorry legendary users, I respect you but have no proof of skill).

Not true. Let’s be honest, how many times have you sent your minion to the bank? I’ve sent mine countless times when depositing all simply because you cannot lock them. On the other hand after completing the event I wouldn’t mind if they nerfed the content to make it easier because guess what? It doesn’t make my prize any worse than someone else. I would still know that I acquired my mini the HARD way and overall it did not make me look toward future content since I know the moment they add liandri 2.0 I’m deleting gw2.

It doesn’t matter /what/ it is, I worked for the prize I was given. If they suddenly made it much easier, I will be kitten ed regardless of what the reward was because now my reward was in vein. I could have waited and gotten it easier.

Lol, so in other words it’s an entitlement thing? Personally, I’ve tried 150+ times before achieving it and I would not feel cheated by the prize simply because personally I know I worked harder to get mine, and I don’t have to shove it in other people’s faces that I’m more ’’pro’’ than them.

Do you not know what an achievement is?

indeed an objective accomplished through either skill or perseverance. HOWEVER, they should just give the dang mini to people with 150-200+ tries,that’s some serious perseverance.

So you know what it is, you just don’t understand it.

-[edit]-

No, they shouldn’t just give it to people who try so many times. I could start up the fight then just afk and voila. No perseverance or anything.

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Entrapment? Seriously?

Dude, you can farm Deadeye and make ~25g in an hour depending on your class. If you can’t even do that, then it’s a matter of your skill. I’m not going to go all elitist on you, but Liadri is not that hard. It is all pattern, the same things happening at the same times (bugs/glitches not included) and just being one step ahead of it. I can even tell you step by step how the fight goes. Memorizing it is what helped me.

Let’s start here, what’s your class/build?
Do you have any other fully geared alts?

What else you want to call it? I collect minis. The description fits, as I’d not have done Gauntlet otherwise, and again as stated there is no other method of getting it. That’s entrapment, plain and simple.

And I’m not farming Deadeye… end of story. I don’t want to farm. I want(ed) that mini (post giving up cause I was monetarily broke).

You think I could go 237 times and not memorize the room? I could sub for Liadri at this point at the Asuran dome while she goes for nachos if I wanted to. I’m not doing anything wrong and it’s usually the orbs that killed me.

Mes. thief, ranger, and counldn’t get it done with any of them. Ranger especially… That is just ridiculous. Pet constantly dead? That’s 40%+ of my overall damage output that’s useless.

Spent about two hours so far tonight just standing by, merrily rezzing folks at the Asuran dome. The sheer amount of people who can’t complete this is HUGE. I for one am disheartened at the sight of constantly seeing things like “fml…” in chat. This is just sick, and sure I’m sad that my mini collection is now irrevocably incomplete but the huge weight of despair of inadequacy they’re still feeling is off of me.

You said it. You collect minis, therefore, you are likely to complete content to get them. You can’t seriously expect every mini to be obtained in the same fashion, there’s already been proof that they don’t follow the same rules for obtaining them.

What? You have a mesmer AND a thief and you still can’t do this?? Perhaps try using a ranger build that doesn’t rely on pet? I’ve seen glass rangers do just fine. How in the world are the orbs killing you and you claim to know the fight? You should know when the orbs are going to spawn. Use Mesmer gs 3 to hit them. Blink and use sword 1 or 2. Done. The sheer amount of people who have completed it is HUGE. I suggest you hit up the Liadri Slayer Club thread for hints and tips on builds. It all boils down to your own ability to comprehend a premade, patterned fight and apply your skills. If you can’t do that, it has nothing to do with the fight, it has to do with you.

You don’t want to farm, that’s fine. But don’t complain about spending 18g and 20 bucks when you have options not to do that.

Lastly, this is a game. Don’t stress over it, seriously.

um, the asuran dome? doesn’t a white pool spawn right up against the wall?
i didn’t get killed doing that one, but i’m sure it wasn’t as easy as other matches
try the one over pyroxis, if you haven’t quit already..
i completely understand that ArenaNet offered no outlet on this one.. some consider it a ‘challenge’ but given the opportunity many people would have simply said “give the customers better options because this is stupid”

cheshirefox.7026:

“give the customers better options because this is stupid”

This mini I got from buying mini sets, then hoping to get rare pets to forge them

This one I got from completing the same pve events I normally do, but I had to use a certain buff.

This one I got from killing a mobs over and over and over.

Those same customers didn’t ask for “better options” while getting those minis. Sounds like they just want what’s easy.

GuardianOMS.8067:

cheshirefox.7026:

“give the customers better options because this is stupid”

This mini I got from buying mini sets, then hoping to get rare pets to forge them

This one I got from completing the same pve events I normally do, but I had to use a certain buff.

This one I got from killing a mobs over and over and over.

Those same customers didn’t ask for “better options” while getting those minis. Sounds like they just want what’s easy.

Here boy! Here! Here’s a dog treat treat! Come get it!

… Oh no, you gotta dodge that Shadowfall first!

… Also, those clones of me are going to explode on contact. Might watch those.

… Did I mention there’s going to be orbs that spawn and rip you around the ring too? Usually right into the Shadowfall?… Slipped my mind.

Rofl.

On a serious note, if you watched me make an attempt on zerk-thief, you’d wonder how I hadn’t got it by now.

For someone who’s attempted this 200+ times, you sure act like you don’t know what you’re doing. The orbs should be the least of your problems as they are dispatched so easily. They should never “rip you around”. They spawn, you kill them before they even pull you, then go back to kiting. If you do mess up and they pull you into Shadowfall, you use an invul, evade, stun breaker, teleport, or dodge to avoid it. This should never happen more than once a fight, because you should know when the orb is going to spawn, and already have your aoe or attack ready to destroy it.

I’d like to watch you, shall we make a date?

Been at the Asura dome in Ehmry Bay for about three hours now. Mostly rezzing others. Party invite Cassie Nireese Nova, right click for invite to instance. Just grabbing my daily free tickets as we speak.

Edit: double E in Nireese, sorry.

I am not available atm, hence “let’s make a date.” I’ll shoot you a PM.

I know what an achievement is. It’s right clicking a bunch of dead bodies until they get all their green stuff back. It’s leveling all the professions via the Trading Post. It’s clicking the supply depot, and right clicking ‘just the right spot’ on a wall a whole bunch of times. These achievements even give titles, ooh, ahh. Such skill required for these achievements.

I don’t have any issue with them nerfing the content, or keeping the content the same really. I think it’s hilarious people pretend any of this content is hard. You know what hard content is? What a true achievement would be? Every single time you die on any attempt through any tier, you go back to the first boss on the first tier.

The rest of this prattle is just a whole bunch of, “Let’s pretend this is a challenge so we can act like it’s accomplished!” Big fish little pond syndrome, imo. Time to go out into the ocean.

All this rage over ~50-100 achievement points and a mini.
There’s way too much entitlement in this thread for it to be taken seriously.

It’s one boss, not the entire game, what it gives you isn’t even worth doing it for. It gives you a mini and some achievement points.

Finally an achievement that is worth the name achievement. Even if it’s bugged here and there.

Also in an MMO there will ALWAYS be parts of the game that simply are not for you. It’s trying to cater to so many different kinds of people that it would be crazy that you would be able to get everything.

I still remember SAB being told off for not being for everyone. (God save us all for the over 9000 amounts of rage threads when that comes back)

That said, I understand the camera issues, rift issues, and any other buggy things. Still if you can deal with that and still defeat her, I don’t see why there needs to be such fuss over it.

One boss is alienating people from the whole game, because they cant get 40 achievements points and a minipet. 1 boss. Hilarious.

Slanderous.2586:

I know what an achievement is. It’s right clicking a bunch of dead bodies until they get all their green stuff back. It’s leveling all the professions via the Trading Post. It’s clicking the supply depot, and right clicking ‘just the right spot’ on a wall a whole bunch of times. These achievements even give titles, ooh, ahh. Such skill required for these achievements.

I don’t have any issue with them nerfing the content, or keeping the content the same really. I think it’s hilarious people pretend any of this content is hard. You know what hard content is? What a true achievement would be? Every single time you die on any attempt through any tier, you go back to the first boss on the first tier.

The rest of this prattle is just a whole bunch of, “Let’s pretend this is a challenge so we can act like it’s accomplished!” Big fish little pond syndrome, imo. Time to go out into the ocean.

You listed the grindy/any one can do achievements, yes. That doesn’t mean every achievement in GW is grindy and can be done by everyone. There exists a Puzzle section. or the explorer section, or any of the dungeon achievements, or the fractal achievements, or some of the living story achievements. True a lot of them are not hard, others are quite difficult, and some of them, bring about these kind of threads. And that’s just how it should be. There are many levels of difficulty with achievements. Not everyone will be, or should be able to achieve them all.

On that note, I don’t think any one would disagree the “light up the Darkness” achievement isn’t hard. It’s just more manageable than most people claim it is.

As for what I bolded. That’s not hard, that’s hardcore. You don’t need hardcore mode in order to make achieving something difficult. And I would be more confident in achieving this than I would be doing the Light up the Darkness achievement a second time.

Slanderous.2586:

You know what hard content is? What a true achievement would be? Every single time you die on any attempt through any tier, you go back to the first boss on the first tier.

Funniest part? I’d still be on Liadri lol. I only ever died once on Salazan, and only then because I was unaware that leaving the ring of fire would all but kill me the first time.

FrizzFreston.5290:

All this rage over ~50-100 achievement points and a mini.
There’s way too much entitlement in this thread for it to be taken seriously.

It’s one boss, not the entire game, what it gives you isn’t even worth doing it for. It gives you a mini and some achievement points.

Finally an achievement that is worth the name achievement. Even if it’s bugged here and there.

Also in an MMO there will ALWAYS be parts of the game that simply are not for you. It’s trying to cater to so many different kinds of people that it would be crazy that you would be able to get everything.

I still remember SAB being told off for not being for everyone. (God save us all for the over 9000 amounts of rage threads when that comes back)

That said, I understand the camera issues, rift issues, and any other buggy things. Still if you can deal with that and still defeat her, I don’t see why there needs to be such fuss over it.

One boss is alienating people from the whole game, because they cant get 40 achievements points and a minipet. 1 boss. Hilarious.

Well said!

Boring, repeating, non challenging, non rewarding content is alienating alot of us too… Just FYI people.

I think many people don’t realize just how many people have high latency in this game and how it is impossible for those people to beat it due to skill lag that is for them UNAVOIDABLE.

Of course there are the color blind people as well, who would have to memorize twice as much as you to do the same fight, the people who play with half your frame rate, regardless of their great hardware due to optimization issues and the people who play with a decent frame rate, but have culling/missing graphic issues.

For the above, the fight isn’t fun and was poorly designed. Sure, if you don’t have any of those issues it’s a walk in the park, but more people have them than you would think and it’s definitely selfish to conveniently shove those people under a rug and claim it’s their lack of skill.

There’s more than enough casual content everywhere you look in this game, really. Apart from fixing a few obvious issues with the Liadri encounter, this content should stay as is.

Say no to pampering!!

dzanikken.2193:

There’s more than enough casual content everywhere you look in this game, really. Apart from fixing a few obvious issues with the Liadri encounter, this content should stay as is.

Say no to pampering!!

Say no to a complete lack of testing content.

dzanikken.2193:

There’s more than enough casual content everywhere you look in this game, really. Apart from fixing a few obvious issues with the Liadri encounter, this content should stay as is.

Say no to pampering!!

And the haves continue to taunt the have-nots…

I’ve come to the conclusion it’s down to the un-target-able orbs. I’d have had this ages ago without them, and 80% of my deaths are the direct result of them one way or another. The other 20% I chalk up to agitation errors.

Anet, fix the orbs or be rid of them… I love the fact that the red rings for Shadowfall are sensitive enough to catch your foot as you pass just out of their range and drop you for it, yet you can’t target or hit the orbs to quite literally save your life. Is it a size thing programming-wise?

OtakuDFifty.2965:

minbariguy.7504:

fellyn.5083:

So far that scenario has only happened once and that’s okay. But if they keep doing it every 2 weeks, making content that they expect only a small portion of people to be able to complete then we’re gonna have some problems.

I recall them saying the same thing about the Clock Tower event (that they only expected a small percentage of players to be able to complete it), so make that at least twice.

And frankly, we don’t really know what their expectations are when they release content unless they tell us. Who knows how many times, when designing content, someone on the team may have pointed out that something might be too difficult for many players only to be overruled by devs who really don’t care about that particular demographic? This dev team seems aggressively devoted to designing content that they know many players will be frustrated with, all in the name of providing a “challenge”.

And there’s nothing wrong with that.

Yes there is. If they keep making content only a very small portion of the player can complete guess who will be playing the game in the near future? Only a very small portion of the current player base. Why bother playing when your only reward for doing so is failure coupled with all kinds of fee’s. That’s so much fun.

I’m okay with hard content if I can beat it at my leisure. That’s not a problem. What I’m not okay with is having to do it within a certain amount of time with all the flaws that come with it because it’s rushed.

9 pages already and here is my view on Liadri. The difficulty is fine the way it is as. At first it seem like that insanely impossible clock tower but once you get the mechanic and have a good rhythm then it was down to executing it and you have to be at the top of your game. I certainly welcome this challenge to test my build and class and appreciate Anet adding something like this in. I have beaten it in my leisure time fyi but still legendary weapon will be out of my grasp.

On the subject of a nerf, it would do great injustice for those who put the time and effort on understanding the mechanic to complete it. Bunch of baddies should not have their way because you can’t brute force your way through like many content in this game. I certainly do not want everyone running around with one as it would lose any special value it currently represent. You can continue to complain about the camera and other bug that made it difficult (I am sure they are aware by now) but you have to overcome those challenge and persevere. It boil down to one thing, if you want something you have to work hard for it.