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Now these are not a hundred percent, but I am going to take what was given to us in Scarlet’s Secret Room as hints. This will be going over the 4 images given to the player when you get the password to the console and about what I think Scarlet saw in the eternal alchemy.


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Sorry, but I am not including images of what she shows you. I want people to actually see them for themselves when they do the living story. Or just look them up they are posted somewhere by now.

The 4 Images.

First, I will go over the image of what looks to be a drill. For anyone who watches Wooden Potatoes on youtube. Wooden Potatoes stated that during an interview with the developers at Riot they said that the sing floating about the Marionette would be significant later on. Now the thing floating over the Marionette definitely does look like the picture of the drill that you see in what looks to be a blue print. What the drill will be used for I will explain a little later on.

Secondly, there is then the image of the map where there are four “X” and arrows pointing to them. After awhile I was able to figure out that if you zoom out on the world map about 50% you can tell them that the “X” in the middle is Lions Arch and the other three "X"’s represent the bases of the Order of Whispers, Durmand Priory and the Vigil. Also on this map there are black circles which I believe are the energy collectors.

Before I do the last two images I would like to talk about how Scarlet definitely saw something to do with an Elder Dragon when she looked into the Eternal Alchemy. I believe this even more so by when inside her Secret Room under the Durmand Priory there is a dragon painted on the wall in blood. But at this point if it turns out not to be a dragon I’d be very surprised and pretty annoyed.

Now then there are the two other images that just show maps and black circles. At first I just decided this were maps showing energy collectors, but I decided to find where those pieces of land are on the map. These two images show the area to the West of Fields of Ruins and to the North East of Mount Maelstorm. This area is the DELDRIMOR FRONT.

Here is where things get interesting and I believe will tie together. Scarlet is going to attack Lions Arch, The Vigil, The Order of Whispers, and The Durmand Priory. The whole point of this attack is to cripple or destroy the force that created The Pact. The reason for this is I believe Scarlet is trying to help a dragon and before she can help that dragon she needs to hurt the force that was able to destroy Zhaitan which is the only Elder Dragon we have seen so far.

The Deldrimor Front is where the dwarfs were before they went underground after turning themselves into stone to fight PRIMORDIUS (the next dragon we fight will be primordius). Now the dwarfs are keep Primordius at bay stopping him from coming to the surface. Whats the best way of getting Primordius to the surface…. you guessed it a giant kitten drill that can go straight down into the earth and make a big hole for him to come out of.

This is all I’ve really noticed this far and would love to see what people think on this theory, but I believe I am right.


tldr

Scarlet will attack Lions Arch, The Durmand Priory, The Vigil and The Order of Secrets (these forces make up the Pact) since they were able to combine forces and take out an Elder Dragon. We will be going to the Deldrimor Fronts to stop Scarlet from using her giant drill (the thing above the Marionette) to create a way for Primordius to get the surface (Scarlet saw Primodrius in the Eternal Alchemy).

Edit: According to gw2wikia when looking up the Champions of Dragons.
“The champions also seem to play a role in the awakening of the dragons”
“Some comments by the developers have suggested that the dragons use their champions to gather some sort of magical energy for their awakening by assimilating more beings into the dragon armies” (this could be the reason she is gathering energy using the energy collectors all over the map. -suggested by ViralVarda

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So… Scarlet is a champion of the dragons?

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Honestly, I still don’t fully understand why she’s doing this. Either she just became bat kitten crazy which seems kind of like it or she wants power from Primordius and thats why she is trying to free/get to him. But yes she could very much be the Champion of Primordius

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pale tree will beat em all >.<

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Just my two cents, nothing indicates that Scarlet is serving an Elder Dragon. In fact, if you read her diary, she outright states that she wants to confront the voice from her dreams. I think the thumpers are charting underground tunnels, and she has located the Elder Dragon. I also think that the Marionette is a weapon that she designed to fight this threat.

Also, why would she want to strike against the Vigil, Priory or Order of Whispers? She has been hiding underneath the noses of the Priory all this time, and has every chance to strike against them…. but she didn’t. The Pact is of little use now that Zhaitan has been defeated. But I think Scarlet is counting on them acting against her, so there will be reinforcements for what ever she “digs up”.

I don’t think Scarlet is a champion of Primordus. I think she is his worst enemy.

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Why would the Pact be of little use now that they killed Zhaitan. Wouldn’t they be more of a threat since they successful defeated an Elder Dragon which would make them an obstacle to beat if she was actually a Champion of Primordius since she would be the one awakening him. Also I don’t think it is very plausible that the thumper’s are mapping the underground. It’s more likely she is tapping into the energy in the ley lands of the world. Just like how we found out in fractals that the Inquest was doing the same thing with the thurmanova reactor. And it seems like its a little far fetched to go through all of this just so she can have some reinforcement for what she digs up.

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Why would the Pact be of little use now that they killed Zhaitan. Wouldn’t they be more of a threat since they successful defeated an Elder Dragon which would make them an obstacle to beat if she was actually a Champion of Primordius since she would be the one awakening him. Also I don’t think it is very plausible that the thumper’s are mapping the underground. It’s more likely she is tapping into the energy in the ley lands of the world. Just like how we found out in fractals that the Inquest was doing the same thing with the thaumanova reactor. And it seems like its a little far fetched to go through all of this just so she can have some reinforcement for what she digs up.

I think you’re looking at this the wrong way. First of all, the Pact are all centered around Fort Trinity, located in Zhaitan’s former domain. Now that Zhaitan is gone, their forces are basically in the wrong area for war, because the remaining Elder Dragons are probably in the other direction. However, there are direct gateways from Fort Trinity to each of the order’s headquarters. If an attack was made on Lion’s Arch, reinforcements would come from those locations, and from Divinity’s Reach.

Thumpers are an excellent tool for sending sonic waves into the ground, which then are reflected back by anything they encounter. That’s how you chart underground tunnels. Her marionette is a weapon’s test. But I think her plan has been focused on this elder dragon all this time. She is not concerned with the three orders (which is why she didn’t strike against the Priory, even though her lair was right next to their base). However, she probably knows that the orders will act if she digs a giant hole in Lion’s Arch. She might be counting on them to send forces, which would then come in handy in fighting the waves of Destroyers that would likely come to the surface.

Also, Scarlet’s plan is definitely not to wake Primordus, since he is already awake. I think Primordus has been moving around a lot all this time, and getting it’s forces in position for a massive strike against us. I think Scarlet is trying to beat him to it, by taking the fight to him, and dragging us with her.

We’ve been blinded by our attempts to clean up Orr, while far bigger threats are already acting against us. And I think Scarlet is aware of that threat, and acting before they do.

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The two additional pictures show the probes in Ascalon and in Orr. Deldrimor front is partially shown in the Ascalon map, but there are no probes on her map in Deldrimor front at all.
You can see the map slideshow here:
http://youtu.be/nl8mOHbnrMM?t=1m31s

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I do see your theory makes sense, but I feel like something has to make sense with the two images of the Deldrimor Fronts. Maybe its just wishful thinking on my part that we are going there, but I feel like it would be weird to throw those two images in and do nothing with them.

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I do see your theory makes sense, but I feel like something has to make sense with the two images of the Deldrimor Fronts. Maybe its just wishful thinking on my part that we are going there, but I feel like it would be weird to throw those two images in and do nothing with them.

The two additional pictures show the probes in Ascalon and in Orr. Deldrimor front is partially shown in the Ascalon map, but there are no probes on her map in Deldrimor front at all.
You can see the map slideshow here:
http://youtu.be/nl8mOHbnrMM?t=1m31s

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Hmm I guess there are none of the energy collectors in the Deldrimor Front. Guess I just saw that a big portion of a new area was in the center of the map in one of the images and jumped to the conclusion we would get to go to that area. Kinda disappointing if we don’t actually get to go to the new zone.

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“I wake from nightmares-screaming, confused, and scared. It’s getting wOrse. I’ve decided to talk to a mender. I’ve probably just been working too hard.

Every night, the same terrors. It never changes. The mender was unable to help Me, and I feel like I’m losing control of myself.

When the nightmare starts, an entity calls to me. I run-run into a sea of dArkness. But no matter how hard I try to escape, it keeps calling me.

I’m trying not to sleep-too scareD to even close my eyes… So scared. Whispers come from the forest all night long, calling me, taunting me, possessing me.

Tonight, I saw it. I stared into the abyss, anD it stared back at me. So much power. I don’t know what’s real and what isn’t anymore.

Control of my world, of myself, is slipping through my hands. And yet, I’m no longer scared.

It communicated with me through images of death, destruction, and destiny. I must know more. I must confront it and put an end to this madness."

She might be on our side everyone.

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I still think it’s a stretch that she is on our side. Since at one point she tried to blow up the player character through a gift from the mail. Also the putting an end to this madness she states is more than likely to get answers from the “destiny” conveyed to her. But in all honesty this is just all speculation. Would be a lot nicer if Anet had done a better job with a backstory about her. Plus I think a huge majority of the player base would be unhappy if they made it so we don’t defeat Scarlet in the end.

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I’ve dodged all the text here so I’m sorry if another reply here states the same, but pls modify your thread title as well!!!

Last thing I wanted to read was “Two new zones and a Dragon…” followed by “spoilers”.

Newsflash – you’ve already bloody spoiled it…

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Primordus* not primordius.

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I still think it’s a stretch that she is on our side. Since at one point she tried to blow up the player character through a gift from the mail. Also the putting an end to this madness she states is more than likely to get answers from the “destiny” conveyed to her. But in all honesty this is just all speculation. Would be a lot nicer if Anet had done a better job with a backstory about her. Plus I think a huge majority of the player base would be unhappy if they made it so we don’t defeat Scarlet in the end.

Maybe she’s like, the next Trahearne or something.

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Maybe all her shenanigans against the players, Pact, Destiny’s Edge, and so on are mainly to draw their attention to her — while it could be a distraction to let the dragon act unimpeded, it could also be that she plans to confront one, and wants an angry mob of dragon-slayers following her, assuming they will get distracted once the dragon appears on the scene.

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Well she has succeeded in making a Destiny’s Edge 2.0, and in mobilizing forces as they prepare to fight against her. Maybe it was all to get ready for a real fight.

Also, Scarlet would be a way cooler pact 2.0 leader than Trahearne. She at least has some depth.

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was I the only one interested in the pic connecting races? with some scribbled out?

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was I the only one interested in the pic connecting races? with some scribbled out?

People seem to think that’s an inside joke with the community as the forums were filled with some of those wacky alliances like the Centaurs and the Quaggan.

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I don’t think Scarlet is a champion of Primordus. I think she is his worst enemy.

That’s why I hate Scarlet. We’re the player character. We’re supposed to be his worst enemy….not some poorly written character.

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Still, the writing has gotten better with this update. And having Scarlet become a force that also fights the dragons was something I hoped early on they would do.

Everyone has been hating on Scarlet, but like I said back then: It would really redeem the story if she wasn’t just some cliche villain. If she actually had a good motive, and if we’d end up fighting side by side at some point. I still hope that’s where they are going with this.

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I don’t see how Scarlet could be on our side, because she would massively, massively upstage us. She’s far more capable than our characters (it take hundreds of us just to inconvenience her weapon tests).

They said they wanted to get GW2 back to focusing on the player, since the LS had drifted towards focusing on the world instead. If we don’t fight Scarlet, the LS is now about her heroism instead of ours.

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If she actually had a good motive, and if we’d end up fighting side by side at some point. I still hope that’s where they are going with this.

We don’t want another salad dude stealing the credit for our work, thanks.

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I don’t see how Scarlet could be on our side, because she would massively, massively upstage us. She’s far more capable than our characters (it take hundreds of us just to inconvenience her weapon tests).

They said they wanted to get GW2 back to focusing on the player, since the LS had drifted towards focusing on the world instead. If we don’t fight Scarlet, the LS is now about her heroism instead of ours.

Oh don’t worry, we will fight her and kill her.
But only after she has let lose Primordus, with the intent of killing him.
We will then kill Scarlet before she can kill Primordus and then Tyria will burn and we will have to fix it.

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OP, for the record, Primordus is already awake, he’s just biding his time underground, he was the first dragon to awaken.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Primordus

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I think you are definitely on the ball that Scarlet will attack Lion’s Arch and the 3 headquartes of the Vigil, Order of Whispers and Durmand Priory.

This video (the one linked above) shows those 4 red marks directly on top of those locations.

With them momentarily incapacitated, she will do something with that huge drill – whether she’s going for Primordius or Mordremoth.

It’s odd that she won’t do anything to Fort Trinity though, unless that has something to do with timing of PS and LS.

We will be going to the Deldrimor Fronts to stop Scarlet from using her giant drill (the thing above the Marionette) to create a way for Primordius to get the surface

Uh uh, not me, I want that sucker to come out, I’m dying to see another elder dragon surface!

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4 parts to the arc: 4 secret hideouts 3 at the order’s bases one in LA, Scarlett is going to try and kill something big, probably Primordius who is probably in the region known as Deldrimor Front, she is combining different schools of magic and engineering to do it (remember her synergetics thesis was not accepted) meaning unlimitid access to magic for mortals (some guy way back had a quite similar idea…) that`s what she was going for in the fractal.

She is the “next Traherene” I`d guess, just her mind got a tiny bit addled along the way.

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pale tree will beat em all >.<

I will never be able to unsee the Pokemon underneath the Pale Tree now.

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I’m surprised no ones talked about the red arrows coming from each corner of the map. Has no one yet noticed that they are coming from the direction in which four elder dragons are inhabiting?

Top left – Mordremoth.
Top right – Jormag.
Bottom left – DSD.
Bottom right – Kralkatorrik.

I really don’t think Scarlet’s evil. I think she’s just insanely genius. Her study of the ley lines (presumably through the energy probes) has allowed her to gain knowledge of the dragons’ where about. She knows big stuff is about to happen. However, she knows that the threat below us is the most dangerous at the moment.

She’s seen what uniting forces can do, through the pact taking down Zhaitan, and she’s trying to do this on a grander scale now herself. Don’t you guys see? When see sends this massive drill in the ground, she’s going to have every alliance present. Including the pact, molten alliance, toxic alliance, and aetherblades, as well as her own little gizmos. That’s one massive force ready to fight a dragon who’s off guard.

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Those arrows can also simply be her forces (clock, aether, toxic+ molten) direction to kill off threats to her master, the headquarters of the pact members + LA. She is creating this whole scenario to waken a dragon, Mordremoth with the drill device and a large power surge or disruption.

She is no ally of us nor a foe of any other dragon, no dragon minions have been the target of her attacks, just us. There no approaches of alliances or treaties with known dragon foes like the pact or DE, so why forge crazy alliances vs dragons and attack the one already there.

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I’m surprised no ones talked about the red arrows coming from each corner of the map. Has no one yet noticed that they are coming from the direction in which four elder dragons are inhabiting?

Top left – Mordremoth.
Top right – Jormag.
Bottom left – DSD.
Bottom right – Kralkatorrik.

I really don’t think Scarlet’s evil. I think she’s just insanely genius. Her study of the ley lines (presumably through the energy probes) has allowed her to gain knowledge of the dragons’ where about. She knows big stuff is about to happen. However, she knows that the threat below us is the most dangerous at the moment.

She’s seen what uniting forces can do, through the pact taking down Zhaitan, and she’s trying to do this on a grander scale now herself. Don’t you guys see? When see sends this massive drill in the ground, she’s going to have every alliance present. Including the pact, molten alliance, toxic alliance, and aetherblades, as well as her own little gizmos. That’s one massive force ready to fight a dragon who’s off guard.

And where does cooking Faren, kidnaping queen and bombing attack at DR fit in her grand scheme of fighting dragon?

Also, she made alliances of worst scum of Tyria, which would btw, fall apart on first mention of dragon let alone fighting one. Well all exept dredge, they are crazy man!

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Still, the writing has gotten better with this update. And having Scarlet become a force that also fights the dragons was something I hoped early on they would do.

Everyone has been hating on Scarlet, but like I said back then: It would really redeem the story if she wasn’t just some cliche villain. If she actually had a good motive, and if we’d end up fighting side by side at some point. I still hope that’s where they are going with this.

Hmm…maybe years, and years ago. I’m pretty sure that now, in 2014, that is a cliche villain. That’s the classic M.N.Shamamlalala twist at the end of it all. It’s a lazy copout for good writing. A villain CAN be the ‘good guy’ all along. Fable 3 kind of did it that way and it was passable. Doing it here would just make very little sense.

It’s become just as cliche.

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I’m surprised no ones talked about the red arrows coming from each corner of the map. Has no one yet noticed that they are coming from the direction in which four elder dragons are inhabiting?

Top left – Mordremoth.
Top right – Jormag.
Bottom left – DSD.
Bottom right – Kralkatorrik.

Let me edit that for you for factual correctness:

Top left – ( We don’t know where Mordremoth is).
Top right – Jormag is somewhere to the north, north east.
Bottom left – (We don’t know where Bubbles is).
Bottom right – (We don’t know where Kralkatorrik is, but he flew south).

That means you have one or two matches out of four arrows. Pretty sketchy. You could also do this:

Top left – Tengu
Top right – Kodan
Bottom left – Mursaat
Bottom right – Margonites

Basically what I’m saying is, when four arrows point from all directions of the planet, you could attach anything to them. That doesn’t really give us any useful information. Making a connection with the dragons is just as easy as connecting them to some of the races.

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It does not make sense that Scarlet is a minion or a champion of an Elder Dragon because Sylvari are unaffected by Zhaitan, Zhaitan could not corrupt them.
Unless we consider all Sylvari to be minions of Mordremoth, then that would explain why, if the theory is correct that other Elder Dragons cannot capture one another’s pokemons minions.
Then the pale tree is a champion of Mordremoth. A champion does not necessarily mean it works for Mordremoth, it might even be against Mordremoth just like Glint helped in the fight against Kralkatorrik.

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Posted by: Mad Queen Malafide.7512

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It does not make sense that Scarlet is a minion or a champion of an Elder Dragon because Sylvari are unaffected by Zhaitan, Zhaitan could not corrupt them.

Correction, it kills them. That is why they couldn’t be corrupted. They weren’t immune. Sylvari aren’t living flesh, so can’t be raised as undead minions by Zhaitan.

Then the pale tree is a champion of Mordremoth. A champion does not necessarily mean it works for Mordremoth, it might even be against Mordremoth just like Glint helped in the fight against Kralkatorrik.

A champion DOES mean it works for the Elder Dragon it is a champion of. And only a very obscure and rare magical ritual, performed by the Forgotten, is known to give back free will to such a creature (as it did for Glint).

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Maybe Scarlet just wants to test our strength to see if our power levels are over 8000 so that we are strong enough to take down more Elder Dragons. Zhaitan’s strength came from his army of Risen. If Primordus is the next dragon, he strong enough to fight himself, presenting the problem of us being too weak to fight directly.

Either way, Kralkatorrik is such an awesome name.

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Posted by: WingLegacy.7159

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Maybe Scarlet just wants to test our strength to see if our power levels are over 8000 so that we are strong enough to take down more Elder Dragons. Zhaitan’s strength came from his army of Risen. If Primordus is the next dragon, he strong enough to fight himself, presenting the problem of us being too weak to fight directly.

Either way, Kralkatorrik is such an awesome name.

Bingo! I was thinking of the same. Maybe all the attack she made was only to mold heroes? Against more powerful Dragons…

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Posted by: vladracul.6798

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She says an “entity” is whispering to her in her dreams, follows it is driving her crazy, it communicates trough “images of death” and then she is no longer “afraid of it”. That sounds quite much like being corrupted and turned into a Champion.
If she is trying to fight against him I would say the written of her whole dramatic arc is as cheap as a Mexican soap opera. Makes no sense and is quite clumsy, trying to justify the use of “deus ex machina” with “she is a genius and you got all her attacks against us wrong” makes me laugh (or either feel offended lol. )

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Posted by: Mad Queen Malafide.7512

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Bingo! I was thinking of the same. Maybe all the attack she made was only to mold heroes? Against more powerful Dragons…

One thing to consider though, is that she kind of has been molding her own armies. She seems more occupied with creating new factions, and altering them, rather than molding us into heroes.

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Posted by: TheRiverBlues.2607

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I feel as though each alliance maybe for fighting a certain dragon. If we are going off what the priory told us in Lion’s arch that each alliance represents a element. If that is the case then:

Primodius- Molten Alliance
Unknown Jungle dragon- Toxic Alliance
Kralkatorrik- Aetherblades

However it is a bit early to tell, the enigmatic nature of Scarlet’s thought process makes no sense to me but I do believe whenever she wrote that journal, it was probably near the time before she went full insane. We don’t exactly know when that journal was written.

Crazy theory, but it is worth putting it out in the air.

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Posted by: PopeUrban.2578

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Whatever she’s doing, it’s going to go horribly, HORRIBLY wrong.

She’s under the impression that she can build a weapon to challenge a dragon, and has successfully built a device to bring said dragon to the field of battle through coercion.

Only half of this plan will work. Scarlet will succeed in bringing forth whatever whispering doom messed her up in the first place. She will not succeed in fighting it, she will die, and in the process create a whole world of new problems for the rest of us to clean up.

Also, Remember Scarlet knows something about Caithe, something secret. I implicate Caithe in this somehow. She has been suspiciously absent since Twilight Assault. She’s up to something and is going to Deus Ex our Machina before its all over.

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Posted by: Jeff.4680

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I’m surprised no ones talked about the red arrows coming from each corner of the map. Has no one yet noticed that they are coming from the direction in which four elder dragons are inhabiting?

Top left – Mordremoth.
Top right – Jormag.
Bottom left – DSD.
Bottom right – Kralkatorrik.

Let me edit that for you for factual correctness:

Top left – ( We don’t know where Mordremoth is).
Top right – Jormag is somewhere to the north, north east.
Bottom left – (We don’t know where Bubbles is).
Bottom right – (We don’t know where Kralkatorrik is, but he flew south).

That means you have one or two matches out of four arrows. Pretty sketchy. You could also do this:

Top left – Tengu
Top right – Kodan
Bottom left – Mursaat
Bottom right – Margonites

Basically what I’m saying is, when four arrows point from all directions of the planet, you could attach anything to them. That doesn’t really give us any useful information. Making a connection with the dragons is just as easy as connecting them to some of the races.

No, let me edit you for your factual correctness.

First of all..

I’ve seen you on other threads. Stop pretending to be Konig Des Todes. You don’t know your lore nearly good enough.

Secondly…

Top left – Well, considering that there’s one real jungle that we know about..
Top right – Yes..north-east is where the arrow is coming from.
Bottom left – Bubbles is in the unending ocean (south-west of the continent Tyria)
Bottom right – If you click ‘M’ in-game, you can see a giant purple glob in the desert (That’s where Kralkatorrik is).

And finally…

What’s your deal? I was just giving some speculation.

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Posted by: Allisa Wonderland.8192

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I’m confused about the speculation that the machine is a drill.

If it is indeed what the marionette is being lowered from, isn’t it more likely to be a portal connecting the same world that the steam creatures and watchwork “robots” are coming from?

Is the marionette something that was built in Tyria? It’s a tad big to be something no one noticed before now… Of course, there is the counter that the Tower came out of nowhere, too.

What kind of facilities are available, on the other side of the portal, to create the marionette? If this is a test, are we going to be treated to a sky full of marionettes?

Perhaps people like Caithe are the Champions for their respective Elder Dragons (her with Jungle dragon, perhaps?) and Scarlet sees each of the popular races of Tyria as the threat, because of the dragons?

She sets the lower races upon us to weaken the approach of the Elder dragons, and allies with Aetherblades (and steam creatures, are they part of the same group?) to prepare who she feels is a capable counter force to the rising of the dragons.

I’m sure there are plenty of holes in my ideas, I intend them to open more discussion.

Overall, I feel like Scarlet is becoming less insane rather than more insane as the story progresses.

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Posted by: CMstorm.8679

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pale tree will beat em all >.<

now I’m gonna be seeing that picture every time i go to the Grove lol

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Posted by: Syryn.7591

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I’m confused about the speculation that the machine is a drill.

If it is indeed what the marionette is being lowered from, isn’t it more likely to be a portal connecting the same world that the steam creatures and watchwork “robots” are coming from?

Is the marionette something that was built in Tyria? It’s a tad big to be something no one noticed before now… Of course, there is the counter that the Tower came out of nowhere, too.

What kind of facilities are available, on the other side of the portal, to create the marionette? If this is a test, are we going to be treated to a sky full of marionettes?

Perhaps people like Caithe are the Champions for their respective Elder Dragons (her with Jungle dragon, perhaps?) and Scarlet sees each of the popular races of Tyria as the threat, because of the dragons?

She sets the lower races upon us to weaken the approach of the Elder dragons, and allies with Aetherblades (and steam creatures, are they part of the same group?) to prepare who she feels is a capable counter force to the rising of the dragons.

I’m sure there are plenty of holes in my ideas, I intend them to open more discussion.

Overall, I feel like Scarlet is becoming less insane rather than more insane as the story progresses.

There are several blueprint drawings in Scarlet’s lair including one of the slides you see when you open the console that show the thing the marionette lowers out of as a drill.

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Posted by: hedix.1986

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If she actually had a good motive, and if we’d end up fighting side by side at some point. I still hope that’s where they are going with this.

We don’t want another salad dude stealing the credit for our work, thanks.

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Posted by: Mad Queen Malafide.7512

Mad Queen Malafide.7512

I’ve seen you on other threads. Stop pretending to be Konig Des Todes. You don’t know your lore nearly good enough.

Attack the arguments, not the person making them.

Top left – Well, considering that there’s one real jungle that we know about..

No there isn’t. There’s other jungles in Tyria.

Top right – Yes..north-east is where the arrow is coming from.

However, if you look on the map, Frostgorge Sound is actually more to the north than it is to the north east. And Jormag is rumored to be further north still. So north east points towards the Charr homelands.

Bottom left – Bubbles is in the unending ocean (south-west of the continent Tyria)

The Unending Ocean is a very very large body of water. You could also be pointing west, and also be pointing at the Unending Ocean, or be pointing south east. Basically anything pointing slightly south, points to part of the Unending Ocean.

Bottom right – If you click ‘M’ in-game, you can see a giant purple glob in the desert (That’s where Kralkatorrik is).

That is NOT where Kralkatorrik is. That is where the brand stops. Kralkatorrik can choose to corrupt, and can also choose not to corrupt. For all we know he kept flying, and is now far deeper into the Desert, or towards Elona than the purple blob indicates. We currently have no idea where Kralkatorrik is exactly.

What’s your deal? I was just giving some speculation.

And I’m pointing out flaws in your arguments. This is a discussion forum after all.

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Posted by: Dondarrion.2748

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Are you sure those 4 arrows pointing in towards the 4 X’s on the map aren’t just her battle plans? Those are the 4 ways she’ll bring in her armies (by airships?!) to attack LA and the 3 faction HQs simultaneously?

Maybe it’s over-complicating things considering that diagram as more than just a battle plan? What’s the target, and where will she attack from…

THEN – when she has cut off LA as a hub and the faction HQs from intervening, she’ll bring out her gigantic drill and get to next part of her plan?

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