Guild Wars 2

Nice to see Kaineng actually attacking Maguuma keeps during their primetime. Go for first Kaineng! Rid us of the magswag

Sol.8341:

If you are as good as you believe yourselves to be, the Tier 1 servers have scouts that will approach your guild and offer to pay all the gem transfer costs.

The reason you are not aware is because these scouts have not approached your guild with this offer.

How many times have you been approached sol? did they offer you candy? I bet you took it didn’t you? Do you not get that none of us want to play on a tier 1 server? I mean tier 3 is even pushing it but. Obviously the guilds we have on mag right now cant propel us into t1, why you ask? Because we lack individual skill? Nope thats not it, try we lack SEA coverage. We have probably 30 running around at any given time during those times and actually this weekend it seems most people just decided to do other things instead of worry about wvw, because we are going to win anyway. I’m sure i’ll see another post about you pretty soon here filling this thread with your wisdom.

ITT people conflate skill with numbers and/or coverage for the billionth time \o/ Can we please move on, thanks. YB should have taken Kaineng up on their offer to double team, maybe they could get second! Put Maguuma in third cuz we so bad!

Didn’t WM get stuck at tier 2 with you guys and rage quit to another server?

If you think WM was hard to play against, you either didn’t know what you were doing or you didn’t play against them. Please stop trying those stale tactics against us. It’s boring.

If I were Maguuma, I wouldn’t want to leave this tier either. /shrug

Runehand.9368:

If I were Maguuma, I wouldn’t want to leave this tier either. /shrug

Yeah, T2 is already too much for our coverage. I just wish YB had a more consistent coverage throughout the week. It would definitely make the scores closer, and they’re already pretty close. T3 is more balanced in purely a score sense than it has been in a long time.

At this point I’m really hoping Mag gets to face a T1 next week. If anything the thread would be hilarious.

People seem to forget that when Mag played Kain way back in January we were both bandwagon servers. Perhaps that is why it was one of the worst threads I can ever remember….

And it didn’t even have Sol !!!!!!

SquirtyMagoo.8321:

At this point I’m really hoping Mag gets to face a T1 next week. If anything the thread would be hilarious.

People seem to forget that when Mag played Kain way back in January we were both bandwagon servers. Perhaps that is why it was one of the worst threads I can ever remember….

And it didn’t even have Sol !!!!!!

We weren’t really bandwagoned relative to what Kaineng got. Most of our bandwagon was random pubbies in T5 trying to do map completion, they were not helpful (or sometimes deliberately unhelpful, it was one of the worst few weeks I’ve ever had in WvW here). And the forum thread was bad because it was the first time you played Maguuma.

Benjamin.6235:

Didn’t WM get stuck at tier 2 with you guys and rage quit to another server?

If you think WM was hard to play against, you either didn’t know what you were doing or you didn’t play against them. Please stop trying those stale tactics against us. It’s boring.

I mean this in the nicest possible way….. but shouldn’t you be dominating every guild in T3 if you found WM so easy?

And yes I said I don’t particularly like WM or what they did, I’m just interested in how my post about facing a more challenging servers and guilds next week got the immediate response ‘lolp no problem for mags, 2highskill’.

Surely there is some T2 or T1 guild you guys respect as being better than you?

saiyr.3071:

SquirtyMagoo.8321:

At this point I’m really hoping Mag gets to face a T1 next week. If anything the thread would be hilarious.

People seem to forget that when Mag played Kain way back in January we were both bandwagon servers. Perhaps that is why it was one of the worst threads I can ever remember….

And it didn’t even have Sol !!!!!!

We weren’t really bandwagoned relative to what Kaineng got. Most of our bandwagon was random pubbies in T5 trying to do map completion, they were not helpful (or sometimes deliberately unhelpful, it was one of the worst few weeks I’ve ever had in WvW here). And the forum thread was bad because it was the first time you played Maguuma.

Hmm, the first time we played BG and TC in T2 was one of the best/longest threads ever.

SquirtyMagoo.8321:

Benjamin.6235:

Didn’t WM get stuck at tier 2 with you guys and rage quit to another server?

If you think WM was hard to play against, you either didn’t know what you were doing or you didn’t play against them. Please stop trying those stale tactics against us. It’s boring.

I mean this in the nicest possible way….. but shouldn’t you be dominating every guild in T3 if you found WM so easy?

And yes I said I don’t particularly like WM or what they did, I’m just interested in how my post about facing a more challenging servers and guilds next week got the immediate response ‘lolp no problem for mags, 2highskill’.

Surely there is some T2 or T1 guild you guys respect as being better than you?

BT and TG, for me. Maybe more, I forget. But we haven’t really met many of the T1 guilds.

SquirtyMagoo.8321:

saiyr.3071:

SquirtyMagoo.8321:

At this point I’m really hoping Mag gets to face a T1 next week. If anything the thread would be hilarious.

People seem to forget that when Mag played Kain way back in January we were both bandwagon servers. Perhaps that is why it was one of the worst threads I can ever remember….

And it didn’t even have Sol !!!!!!

We weren’t really bandwagoned relative to what Kaineng got. Most of our bandwagon was random pubbies in T5 trying to do map completion, they were not helpful (or sometimes deliberately unhelpful, it was one of the worst few weeks I’ve ever had in WvW here). And the forum thread was bad because it was the first time you played Maguuma.

Hmm, the first time we played BG and TC in T2 was one of the best/longest threads ever.

Yes…but they aren’t Maguuma :P

Sol.8341:

Apparently, the devs are absolutely riveted with Kaineng’s evolution and decided to pair us with rank 1 and rank 3 servers in next week’s matchup.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/New-matchup-system-official-info

Although it’s an ego boost to all Kaineng WvWers that we are deemed good enough for T1 ( sorry bears, no honey for u ) , it might be too soon for our re-established forces.

Commanders need to get together to discuss their thoughts on how to go through next week.

(a) Should we have a break week to revitalise and ignore a super-unbalanced matchup ?

(b) Should we just run academy / training sessions in our citadel and ignore all scores ?

© Grit our teeth and go for numerous 4 hour battles and hopeful learn more tactics but come out sore and tired ?

(d) Sell our services as mercenary forces to either the rank 1 or rank 3 to fill up our server war fund ?

The new matchups will eradicate the meaning of Tiers and matchups will depend on server score plus deviation. The new way to measure success in WvW will be server ranking which is still based on score. After next week matchup, Kaineng’s score will probably decrease which will drop us in server ranking ( Kaineng is 8th now) but I am not sure how deviation will go. Kaineng has an abnormally high deviation due to guilds transferring away a month ago, which means old ghosts coming back to haunt us again. We are in for interesting times folks.

P.S. This potential matchup might change with results from this week but Kaineng’s deviation score is so abnormal we are probably gonna be dumped with 2 other high ranked servers.

So for all of you Kaineng people thinking your going to play tier one next week brush up on your reading comprehension a bit. This is from that post right before the chart.
We can look at our leaderboard data and apply these calculations to see how this system might play out if it were active right now. If we let base variation be 40.0 and deviation variation be 1.0, then we might have gotten the following match ups this week (sorted descending by matchmaking rating):
Notice the bold words MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN, as in an example.

SquirtyMagoo.8321:

Benjamin.6235:

Didn’t WM get stuck at tier 2 with you guys and rage quit to another server?

If you think WM was hard to play against, you either didn’t know what you were doing or you didn’t play against them. Please stop trying those stale tactics against us. It’s boring.

I mean this in the nicest possible way….. but shouldn’t you be dominating every guild in T3 if you found WM so easy?

And yes I said I don’t particularly like WM or what they did, I’m just interested in how my post about facing a more challenging servers and guilds next week got the immediate response ‘lolp no problem for mags, 2highskill’.

Surely there is some T2 or T1 guild you guys respect as being better than you?

You’re assuming that anyone rated them as high as you do. I haven’t seen a good guild ever say they were hard to fight. Their style is for lawnmowering pugs, and not much else. Even if the lawnmower department, there’s guilds that do it much better.

Change their guild name to something that had zero meaning before GW2, and they would be completely forgettable.

Sol.8341:

(2) Every week, the said guilds struggle in the matchup against a weakened Kaineng.

lol

Pinko.2076:

I haven’t seen a good guild ever say they were hard to fight.

You must not have been looking

BT and WM both transferred to T1, together on Black Gate oddly enough~

Sol.8341:

(2) Every week, the said guilds struggle in the matchup against a weakened Kaineng.

Not completely sure you understand how MagSwig works. In order to make things a bit more fair and challenging, Mag players have taken to playing drinking games. Everytime we turn one of yas into a badge we take a swig. So the better we’re doing against ya’ll the more drunker we get until we simply pass out in our chairs. We’re not struggling, we just cant see straight anymore.

And no, that’s not even a joke, anyone that’s been invited to [DFND]‘s TS server knows we have 2 channels label Tee’s Drunk Corner and Passed Out in Chair (where people from the Drunk Corner are moved to after they start snoring over the comms).

Pinko.2076:

Sol.8341:

Considering that WM attracted guilds to Kaineng to bring us from T8 to T2 and Magumma being a persistent T3 despite SO MANY CLAIMS of guilds beating them and claiming to be better … the facts does not match.

(1) All the uber guilds of Magumma could not bring the server up from T3.

(2) Every week, the said guilds struggle in the matchup against a weakened Kaineng.

(3) WM is welcomed by any T1 server and they would pay all the gems they want to join their server, how many guilds in Magumma are so desired ?

(4) WM is fighting in Tier 1 against the most skilled and proven guilds / commanders in GW2, the said guilds are still languishing here in Magumma.

I’m too poor to transfer to the illustrious t1, where 100% of skilled played reside. Please send me 50 gold so I can fulfill my dream of rubbing elbows with The Elite Poopsockers.

Talk to your guild leader. I am sure you guys had been approached by some tier 1 server, but you guys rejected. Money aren’t an issue.

All signs pointed to PYRO on the edge of transferring to tier 1 last week, until that new matches update announcement from Anet. With that new update, I can see why no one wants to transfer right now. If tier 1 servers are offering PYRO gems, I am sure they are offering D/ERP also.

Sol.8341:

If you are as good as you believe yourselves to be, the Tier 1 servers have scouts that will approach your guild and offer to pay all the gem transfer costs.

The reason you are not aware is because these scouts have not approached your guild with this offer.

JQ offered PYRO 100g per member, 300g per commander, and a legendary for one of our commanders.

BG said they couldn’t match JQ, but they had a serverwide meeting to discuss it and were offering us gold to transfer.

SoR didn’t want us because queues lol.

I felt bad, because some guilds were starting to farm gold, and we had no intention of moving, so we made a video about it.

Regardless, T1 =|= skill. Many of our members and allied guild’s members have been in T1 and while there are some really cool meta shifts and strats that come from T1, it’s not the only place that skill lies. T1 has some amazing guilds; SF, Choo, VotF, Red Guard, Za Drotts, TSym, Foo, Iron, RISE, etc.

However, WM is not anywhere close to the skill level of those guilds, and even RE are better organized and run better together. To say that PYRO, EVOH, DERP, NOVA, and others didn’t wipe WM is just objectively false.

Then again, why am I arguing with Sol?

ParaldaWind.4523:

Regardless, T1 =|= skill. Many of our members and allied guild’s members have been in T1 and while there are some really cool meta shifts and strats that come from T1, it’s not the only place that skill lies. T1 has some amazing guilds; SF, Choo, VotF, Red Guard, Za Drotts, TSym, Foo, Iron, RISE, etc.

Just to bring correct facts to the conversation, all the EU guilds you linked are not in T1 at the moment, RG & VoTF have not been in T1 for over a month. For ZD and IRON it’s been a few weeks. I don’t think any of the good guilds in EU want to be in T1 now due to the hardcore blobbing. The action used to be in T1 some months ago in EU but since the Vizunah curse affected the other servers the good guilds spread out in lower tiers. At the moment there is a lot of good guilds spread out in T3 actually in EU.

Sol.8341:

(1) All the uber guilds of Magumma could not bring the server up from T3.

(2) Every week, the said guilds struggle in the matchup against a weakened Kaineng.

something tells me you’re not as bright as you might try to seem, i’m on to you!!!

CHIPS.6018:

All signs pointed to PYRO on the edge of transferring to tier 1 last week, until that new matches update announcement from Anet.

i’m still trying to decide which one of you two should be the new mascot for our threads. both of you are quite silly (read: delusional).

Darius Glazkov.9750:

i’m still trying to decide which one of you two should be the new mascot for our threads. both of you are quite silly (read: delusional).

I vote CHIPS. Sol just seems out of touch with reality (see: nonsensical rants) and thus, is an unstable element. CHIPS take this game too seriously (see: Necro Encyclopedia) and will be a more stable Pillar of Truth and Justice.

I have been on Mags since day one. It appears to me that most of the old timers on our server are FAR more interested in GOOD fights than just the score. If there are good guilds out there, we don’t want ’em to bandwagon us, we want to FIGHT them.

I’ve read a lot of messages about Tier 1 skillz. SO WHAT. If they are skilled, then bring ’em. We want to fight them. If we get wiped, we will learn.

Nobody like blobs of crappy players rolling through the map. I would be delighted to learn that there are actually skills instead of just blobs at those higher tiers.

And if there are mad skills up there, well my money is on ’razi and paralda until those guys prove they are better.

Isn’t there something called sPvP ? Once you step into WvW, so many factors to cancel out skill :

(1) Gear
(2) Level
(3) Uneven numbers

Sol.8341:

Isn’t there something called sPvP ? Once you step into WvW, so many factors to cancel out skill :

(1) Gear
(2) Level
(3) Uneven numbers

At that point it comes down to

(1) Group Comp (and Gear)
(2) Who brings uplevels
(3) Formation and skill usage
(4) Numbers.

A moderately sized group can wipe a disorganized group 1.5-2/1. Beyond that, it stretches beyond the bounds of down state.

There are plenty of uplevels with outdated gear in WvW. you can tell when they get smashed by 1 or 2 blows. That’s why I dun even bother to watch thiefs videos on their “conquests” in WvW.

Isn’t sPvP the best way to gauge a guild group’s skill ?

Sol.8341:

There are plenty of uplevels with outdated gear in WvW. you can tell when they get smashed by 1 or 2 blows. That’s why I dun even bother to watch thiefs videos on their “conquests” in WvW.

Isn’t sPvP the best way to gauge a guild group’s skill ?

Not on a meaningful scale, or similar stat allocations. I can’t replicate the stats on my engineer in Spvp, nor can I use food buffs, etc.

The best way available is an organized GvG south of the windmill.

I’ll be 1v3ing south of windmill in the mean time.

Sol.8341:

There are plenty of uplevels with outdated gear in WvW. you can tell when they get smashed by 1 or 2 blows. That’s why I dun even bother to watch thiefs videos on their “conquests” in WvW.

Isn’t sPvP the best way to gauge a guild group’s skill ?

I think so, sPvP seems to be the best way to test ones skill. Especially guild groups.
I also agree with your outdated gear statement, to many people don’t have upgraded equiment.

John Widdin.9618:

Not on a meaningful scale, or similar stat allocations. I can’t replicate the stats on my engineer in Spvp, nor can I use food buffs, etc.

I interprete that as you do not have access to ascended gear and lvl 80 food buffs which means you will not have the extra advantage of a few hundred stat points over your opponents. you will be exactly the same as your opponent and hence why it is fair and best way to gauge skill.

Sol.8341:

John Widdin.9618:

Not on a meaningful scale, or similar stat allocations. I can’t replicate the stats on my engineer in Spvp, nor can I use food buffs, etc.

I interprete that as you do not have access to ascended gear and lvl 80 food buffs which means you will not have the extra advantage of a few hundred stat points over your opponents. you will be exactly the same as your opponent and hence why it is fair and best way to gauge skill.

Clearly you have never sPvP’d or you would not interpret it that way.

So if you just joined a match in spvp, and a thief runs up on your with 25 stacks of bloodlust, that’s balanced? Spvp isn’t the place where you would guage WvW skill. I view spvp as a place to practice with different runes and specs for free. I don’t do tpvp or groups in there ever.

Just get 5 people from your guild vs 5 from another team’s guild. Use whatever gear and spec you want. Change it between rounds if you want. Go respec if you want. If one team is constantly getting demolished, then they have less skill, or the wrong make-up. You can state the classes before the battle to gauge how it will play out. If you have no clue what will happen, you’re probably inexperienced.

And when you see an open field battle where one team has random guilds and the other has 30 of 1 guild in it, you can pretty much guarantee that the pugs will lose, because they’re probably not in comms or organized. Guild group opens with fields and combos. Pugs charge in/ run/ die in seconds.

Sol.8341:

John Widdin.9618:

Not on a meaningful scale, or similar stat allocations. I can’t replicate the stats on my engineer in Spvp, nor can I use food buffs, etc.

I interprete that as you do not have access to ascended gear and lvl 80 food buffs which means you will not have the extra advantage of a few hundred stat points over your opponents. you will be exactly the same as your opponent and hence why it is fair and best way to gauge skill.

No, I have a mashup of items that give me a particular set of stats, ranging at 800 condition damage, 2.5k armor, 3k Attack power, 20k health. With only an amulet and the upgrade slot to set your stats from, it’s impossible to have as much build diversity as in the normal world.

I only have an ascended neck. My build also relies heavily on my food, which adds additional regen to my own passive, which allows me to stay on my feet longer during sustained damage taken from retaliation.

Ps. The food I use costs so little, that there’s literally no excuse to not have a food buff.

I like your posts John. You give information which promotes discussion, even if of different views.

I understand the part with limited diversity of stats in spvp gear and a particular profession / build may not perform as well without stacking certain stats but the same disadvantages apply to your opponent.

I agree with what you say kat, but in spvp, you will probably not die in 2 blows to a thief with 25 stacks of might as your gear is exotic and the thief does not have access to ascended + food buffs. In WvW, there are a lot of people running around low levels and lvl 80s with just enough gold to use rare (yellow) gear. It is much easier to make a video of being “godly madskillz” in WvW compared to spvp.

Sol.8341:

I like your posts John. You give information which promotes discussion, even if of different views.

I understand the part with limited diversity of stats in spvp gear and a particular profession / build may not perform as well without stacking certain stats but the same disadvantages apply to your opponent.

I agree with what you say kat, but in spvp, you will probably not die in 2 blows to a thief with 25 stacks of might as your gear is exotic and the thief does not have access to ascended + food buffs. In WvW, there are a lot of people running around low levels and lvl 80s with just enough gold to use rare (yellow) gear. It is much easier to make a video of being “godly madskillz” in WvW compared to spvp.

Yeah, Sol is right. Thieves are pretty unbalanced in WvW and 90% of the time they chase after underlevels that can’t do a darn thing.

Hey, that’s me! Level 58 with lvl 45 greens getting Heartseeker spammed erryday. (I secretly hope to end up on a youtube video as victim #47 and become internet famous.)

SPvP is usually no more than 3v3 (or 3vx/xv3) in terms of the individual engagements. The sPvP meta is close to the WvW roaming meta but with more variations since mobility is less important and full bunker no damage is legitimate to buy time = points.

My last sPvP group was a pug group for tourneys for the monthly. It was 3 d/d eles (post-nerf), a guardian, and a thief. We ended up on a ~15 win streak till the matchmaking faced us rank ~10s against rank 40s that finally stopped us.

This, to me says how uncompetitive sPvP is, by its design. It’s much more about individual skill, some communication and team composition, but very little emphasis on teamwork. It doesn’t come close to GvG in GW1. And definitely doesn’t resemble two large guild zergs in WvW that would be pass for GvG in GW2. Everything about it is different from skill set, tactics, stat builds, play style.

Edit: Not to put down roaming – that’s what I do most of the time – but just pointing out there’s no comparison between ‘GvG’, even zerg busting and sPvP or small scale roaming.

Mag found our princess in hills on KBL. But it was defended by many turtles. Saiyr died in the engagement and was commemorated with a tombstone.

We then proceeded to move the princess. You will not find her. Mag took bay several times, but by now you guys should know the princess is in another castle.

Draygo.9473:

Mag found our princess in hills on KBL. But it was defended by many turtles. Saiyr died in the engagement and was commemorated with a tombstone.

We then proceeded to move the princess. You will not find her. Mag took bay several times, but by now you guys should know the princess is in another castle.

I was touched by the funeral I got :P Thanks for presiding, Nyx~

Draygo.9473:

Mag found our princess in hills on KBL. But it was defended by many turtles. Saiyr died in the engagement and was commemorated with a tombstone.

We then proceeded to move the princess. You will not find her. Mag took bay several times, but by now you guys should know the princess is in another castle.

This joke was really cute the first time, please don’t run it into the ground. #magswag

WM was awful. 4 CAMP wiped their 20-30 man zerg 4-5 times in 2 hour period with them failing to kill 1 of us. Bunch of ocean baitfish that dont know what to do if someone is to side of them or above them.
http://imgur.com/a/JvXS6

GuardianOMS.8067:

Draygo.9473:

Mag found our princess in hills on KBL. But it was defended by many turtles. Saiyr died in the engagement and was commemorated with a tombstone.

We then proceeded to move the princess. You will not find her. Mag took bay several times, but by now you guys should know the princess is in another castle.

This joke was really cute the first time, please don’t run it into the ground. #magswag

And you haven’t quite yet run magswag into the ground? Just saiyn.

(bad puns go)

Draygo.9473:

GuardianOMS.8067:

Draygo.9473:

Mag found our princess in hills on KBL. But it was defended by many turtles. Saiyr died in the engagement and was commemorated with a tombstone.

We then proceeded to move the princess. You will not find her. Mag took bay several times, but by now you guys should know the princess is in another castle.

This joke was really cute the first time, please don’t run it into the ground. #magswag

And you haven’t quite yet run magswag into the ground? Just saiyn.

(bad puns go)

That… that was the joke….

Siege Wars 2

They need to close those gaps above the doors, wth kind of keep design is that.

Kain bl, 40 RE, are you drunk?
You stacked might, then ran from 4 people?
You stacked might to kill skelks?
You tripled veiled into nobody?
Also looky, I caught me a zero.

WäR has been hunting big game prey and you’ve been assassinated Zero aka Miräcle. GG bro and I’ll be looking for you again, good luck next time :P

I’ll just leave this here…

(Also thanks everyone else who wasn’t PYRO Iloveyouthisisajokedon’thurtme)

Maguuma – the only server that posts screenshots when they kill the enemy commander.

Big shout out to the Mags Zerg that just got wiped trying to take Cliffside on YBBL good games :o)