Guild Wars 2

zastari.1730:

Lanimal.6541:

Forzani.2584:

Lanimal.6541:

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I’ll give you 40 gold if you beat me best 3 out of 5 in duels.

Good Fights, coudnt meet your challenge (2 out of 10?) Not used to that new torment build of yours but hey at least I was the first mesmer to get a few wins on that build of yours. Maybe allowed you to tweak it and make it better.

Sauceboss.3627:

Ok nothing really out of the ordinary so far, but then when the rest of the group comes to take down the gate the[CERN] legend and another one of his guildies ports through the gate to try to use the golems from the inside. Seems legit.

Since they are CERN, maybe they were roleplaying quantum tunneling.

AlecFair.1270:

dazed.4152:

If you’re role playing an exploiter, are you really exploiting?

I think roleplayers call that god modeing/modding. :V

Gasp. He speaks our language.

Mooodster.3470:

1… mag is always outnumbered..no madder what….

I laughed.

Holy mother of ducks, 7 pages. This should be fun.
All hail glorious leader cermender Razi-sama-sensei-chan!

^^^ LOL wth is that dude xD

Deathwaffle.8467:

^^^ LOL wth is that dude xD

That is our god king great lord Razi-sama. Dare you question our lords beauty, you worthless pig! All shall crumble under the might of Razi-sama.

Well it looks kittened o . o

Commisar.8695:

Deathwaffle.8467:

^^^ LOL wth is that dude xD

That is our god king great lord Razi-sama. Dare you question our lords beauty, you worthless pig! All shall crumble under the might of Razi-sama.

What happened to The Great Lord Flame-ram? I liked him better….

Tricare.2946:

Commisar.8695:

Deathwaffle.8467:

^^^ LOL wth is that dude xD

That is our god king great lord Razi-sama. Dare you question our lords beauty, you worthless pig! All shall crumble under the might of Razi-sama.

What happened to The Great Lord Flame-ram? I liked him better….

Razi-chan is the avatar of The Great Lord Flame-ram, In his heavenly fury he shall make the weak xfer to JQ, all hail!

This week has been great so far, lots of back and forth between all the servers and some really lengthy and awesome battles….

… in this thread I mean

…

WvW has been terrible.

urak.4863:

;_;

Not sure what to do when servers in our matchup constantly calls us a blob. What are we supposed to do? Keep track of the number of people in a zerg and decide to leave if it goes beyond a certain number? During SEA prime, SoS also rolls in a giant blob and wipes the TC group in every head-on collision, and easily outnumbers us 2:1, but you don’t see us coming here and QQ-ing about being outnumbered, etc. Why can’t you just play your best, more fights less whine? It’s ;_; to read about your wins/losses against superior numbers, over and over and over again….

Do what KH does on your server. They run their 10-15 man guild unit as their own ‘blob’.

GuardianOMS.8067:

I don’t even know where to begin in this thread, I’ve missed so much already.

Maguuma drama tldr: I hate one person but everyone else is okay. I’m transfering to a different server kthxbye

Lanimal.6541:

Haha I love it when losing servers go on a crutch like ‘getting more bags or killing more in open field is really winning’. Sure whatever helps you guys sleep at night

Um, Maguuma has been doing this since day one. This is nothing new that we have never cared about PPT, score, or winning. You’ll find that many other people on many other servers don’t either. It’s this weird thing called fun and score not being a factor to it.

This USED to be what Mag was about.

Now you are not.

saiyr.3071:

Time to own all the RPers!

How’s that working out for you? ;P

This matchup thread is one of the best we’ve ever had this early in the week.

10/10 would read again.

This matchup thread is one of the best we’ve ever had this early in the week.

10/10 would read again.

Thought I’ll share some thoughts on the matchup as well (I play on SoS).

TC is obviously way stronger than Maguuma and SoS, and the score shows. What is especially frustrating about playing against TC is that they just have more players. So even if we hold TC to a stalemate on Eternal Battlegrounds, TC just conquers their borderlands unopposed while holding a significant fraction of Maguuma BL and SoS BL, and they just win. SoS rarely if ever has players on TC BL for example. I remember one very frustrating time a few weeks ago when TC had enough players to take Stonemist Castle AND assault Ogrewatch simultaneously – and SoS weren’t outmanned.

However complaining isn’t really justified because numbers aren’t everything. TC players are just better than SoS players, and TC commanders just better than SoS commanders. For example earlier in the weekend we had a queue to enter Eternal Battlegrounds, and yet TC were dominating the map. How is that possible? We had at worst equal numbers, and yet we were getting stomped.

To the SoS commanders and possibly Maguuma also, I honestly think before we complain about the matchup we should step up our game. I’ve seen us make all sorts of weird calls that I just don’t understand. Earlier today we took SM because we outmaneuvered TC; they were taking Maguuma keep when we got to SM and we overpowered the defense before the zerg arrived. They were already en route when we took it. I thought this was good play, and yet shortly afterwards we make another call to give up SM to take Maguuma keep!? Even if Maguuma keep was held by TC at the time, even if SM can be treb’ed from Overlook, what is the point? SM is worth more points, it offers more map control, etc. Just about the only reason I can think of to take Maguuma keep and give up SM is to cartograph the area.

There were other calls that were obviously weak. Last week there was a time when we had ~5 people defending Mendon’s with ~25 DB attacking. When I got into Mendon’s, DB had no siege and we had one AC built, but the gate was at ~10% health. We yelled for help, and since we had nothing on the map (everything else was held by DB and EBay) our commander came. From within Mendon’s I saw he had maybe 15 people with him against a 25-man DB zerg. I called for extra supply so we could build more ACs. We already had blueprints down and half-built. Instead the commander stays outside, stacks, stacks some more, gate goes down, DB rushes in kills the Tower lord, and then the commander comes in, whoops Mendon’s has fallen, and then he says “we can’t get in without dying” (equip blinking / stealth skills or at worst stability / protection skills, with 2 dodges also should be able to at least sneak some people inside), and “defending a non-upgraded tower is the least of our concerns” (when we had nothing else on the map?).

tl; dr – we are terrible, therefore we lose. Before we start complaining about how bad the matchup is, step up our own game.

gurl u been drinkin the coolaide

This thread is so much better than the T1 thread .__.

Kathy K.6812:

This thread is so much better than the T1 thread .__.

Atleast no hacking accusations here…right….right?

Jeydra.4386:

TC is obviously way stronger than Maguuma and SoS, and the score shows. What is especially frustrating about playing against TC is that they just have more players. So even if we hold TC to a stalemate on Eternal Battlegrounds, TC just conquers their borderlands unopposed while holding a significant fraction of Maguuma BL and SoS BL, and they just win. SoS rarely if ever has players on TC BL for example. I remember one very frustrating time a few weeks ago when TC had enough players to take Stonemist Castle AND assault Ogrewatch simultaneously – and SoS weren’t outmanned.

However complaining isn’t really justified because numbers aren’t everything. TC players are just better than SoS players, and TC commanders just better than SoS commanders.

We do have some great commanders on TC, I think the numbers do play a large factor though. TC is in a unique position in that we have a dual community; strong WvW support as well as a large mass of RPers. I know RPers may not necessarily be top quality WvWers in all instances, but where in times when the WvW community falls short with numbers we always have more bodies to throw into the zerg.

If that makes any sense at all xD;; I do WvW fairly often, but I do belong probably more to the second community than the first.

RPers also don’t mind dying. They just role play into it.

“I’m hit! Arrrrrrrrrrrrgggggghhhhh!!!!”

This is my song for “Free ports at Eternal JP” for SoS

John Widdin.9618:

This is my song for “Free ports at Eternal JP” for SoS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHozn0YXAeE

Hansons? Dude that’s crossing the line. Don’t bring that kind of hardcore trolling up here.

Guys, look out. We got ourselves a player here.

I very much dislike Umber/Dane bug =(

Zelda.7013:

RPers also don’t mind dying. They just role play into it.

“I’m hit! Arrrrrrrrrrrrgggggghhhhh!!!!”

Careful, lest you anger them.

I’m the chick with the blue corset YAY! Thanks for posting that pic, Squirty!

MAGS – you are so good at the open field stuff, and amazing at individual play. I’m learning a lot this week. Thank you.

Need… more… popcorn.

The poster above used words like “grace”, “honor” and “Maguumans” in the same sentence, whatever be the context. You have my respect, sir.

Reply to Jeydra

While we certainly have some inexperienced or subpar commanders, many are quite good. In the DB situation you describe I see many problems both on the commanders end and on every SoS player who was there end. First, I agree the only tower we hold should be a top priority. That said if the commander was busy sacking Veloka a higher priority target for both its ability to siege the keep and its proximity to pang. In that case a paper un-upgraded tower may be worth swapping for another one if their entire zerg is busy there (playing devils advocate). The other problem I see is that if its the only thing we held on the map there may have been no supplies in his 15 man group to lay down siege.

More to the point of why I decided to respond, many commanders are getting treated harshly and slammed when part of the problem is people doing their own thing. Go to SoS BL sometime, see a commander tagged up go to him and no outmanned buff. He will have 10-20 people doing the right thing and following him. Then you run into a TC zerg of 60+ and an obvious wipe follows. Where is the militia? Not following thinking they know best and commanders are bad and get them wiped. You can see the obvious problem and how circular it is. Will commanders make some bad decisions time to time? Sure, but if you are off doing your own thing (and I’m not talking about someone spying or keeping an eye out/solo-upgrading siege in a tower) then you would be part of the problem. Coverage plays a huge part. Try commanding outmanned 6 hours with few bothering to follow you. Losses are demoralizing and you can only do so much. You use rams if you can speed take something otherwise you cat/treb from a safe spot or distance and hope the zerg 4x your size doesn’t notice/show up in time.

In your scenario 6 people including yourself were not on the commander who had all of 15 smart people following them. How many more were on the map doing their own thing? So as much as its easy to blame, a commander, put yourself in their shoes and ask am I helping or hurting the overall effort. Fortunately I’ve only run into a handful of SoS commanders who don’t have the server winning as their primary interest. I see many commanders berated in teamspeak/teamchat/mapchat by individuals worried about the supply they dumped one gold into to upgrade while a keep or castle is ignored. Look at the cost of upgrading a t3 tower, keep, or SM. Then add in the costs for siege to take one. It gets really expensive really fast. On top of costs commanders have to worry about the zerg morale. Too many wipes against larger forces people give up, or don’t stack or push when its needed (half the time they won’t even if you’ve led them to ten straight victories against larger forces). I know we all get side tracked by an easy camp flip (I’m guilty like anyone else), but staying with the commander has to be priority one. Finally, a commander is balancing supply with PPT (Points Per Tic) and trying to decide if a camp with 2 minute RI can be taken in time or should they flip a tower and come back so you for sure get both for the tic. Will you lose 10 out of your zerg who stay and waste the 2 minutes? Most likely. All these things are headaches for commanders and people don’t care, then proceed to rip the same commanders who come back and res them when the organized enemy zerg shows up.

As for SM, its a blessing and a curse. Sure its worth alot of points but it can be a nightmare to hold, or get supplies to. It can be trebbed from numerous spots from every angle just the same as it can treb out. Its a full time job to hold against a 2 vs 1 and nearly impossible out-manned. So what you may call a bad decision might have been a wise choice, but honestly I wasn’t there at that time to judge. So keep this in mind before flaming a commander as bad and ask yourself am I doing everything I can to make the commander and therefore SoS successful? Just some thoughts.

You guys really just don’t understand Maguuma do you?

Sieg.8439:

We do have some great commanders on TC, I think the numbers do play a large factor though. TC is in a unique position in that we have a dual community; strong WvW support as well as a large mass of RPers. I know RPers may not necessarily be top quality WvWers …

Many RPers are the types that can stay behind and sentry (we still do this right?) because they are talking to people while they keep watch. This is a quality most “pro” WvW’ers lack so I wouldn’t ever say that RP’ers are a “mass of bodies” to throw on the problem. A lot more RP people WvW than you think.

And yes, TC does have some great commanders. Sometimes they tag up and give other maps hell. Sometimes they don’t.

With so many new faces and the changing meta from our most recent encounter with
SoR there is plenty of learning to be done on for old and new players on TC alike.

The old manner in which TC played has evolved (devolved?) and it is very interesting coming to grips with it. As far as the match RNG, welp.

SoS you’re unhappy but you’re out there every day making the match possible. Mags too gets to swag from time to time.

Have a smug salad and good fights everyone.

Sieg.8439:

saiyr.3071:

Time to own all the RPers!

How’s that working out for you? ;P

Well I already posted about that, I think it went pretty well! But really, I was just trying to get the match thread started so I could focus on raiding and I didn’t have anything more clever to say :’(

SoS and TC both have mesmers in EBJP. Come collect your free loot!

Hi, my server doesn’t have 100 players watching this thread to upvote me.

Nobody here wants as many players as TC has. That’s just silly that the game puts that many players in one area. If it were doubled, the lag fest would make it unplayable, and serve as the primary reason for why people leave t1 and t2 servers.

On opening night I saw a blob of 40 tc, then another 40 joined from their hiding spot by garrison. That was hilarious, as we didn’t even match the numbers of the first 40. Later, we took back garrison with the out-manned buff on. Am I complaining while saying this? No. Of course not. I rarely died, and I made a metric ton of loot. As did my fellow guildies.

You guys are coming off as talking down to the way we play, and free-spirited enjoyment of the game. It’s a little over-the-top. Get a grip. I’m sure there will be 5 separate chapter-length responses to this. Perhaps dissecting it down to “you play for loot, we play to win”, or “nice points, bro”, or even “it’s not our fault you don’t have players”.

heh

Zelda.7013:

RPers also don’t mind dying. They just role play into it.

“I’m hit! Arrrrrrrrrrrrgggggghhhhh!!!!”

LOL
I laughed so hard at this.
Which is even worse because I’m at work. xD
custmrz b liek wuuut

katniss.6735:

On opening night I saw a blob of 40 tc, then another 40 joined from their hiding spot by garrison. That was hilarious, as we didn’t even match the numbers of the first 40. Later, we took back garrison with the out-manned buff on. Am I complaining while saying this? No. Of course not. I rarely died, and I made a metric ton of loot. As did my fellow guildies.

The skill level displayed by both SoS and MAG is amazing. I personally am attempting not to die so much, and make better use of my skills. I really am appreciating the level of play, and hope it keeps going all week. Learning a lot about open field/individual play.

Amazing fights!

kfarb.6732:

SoS and TC both have mesmers in EBJP. Come collect your free loot!

sharing is caring <3

robocafaz.9017:

You guys really just don’t understand Maguuma do you?

That much is certain.

Kreaven.3172:

I very much dislike Umber/Dane bug =(

You guys have this bug also? No yaks?

katniss.6735:

Hi, my server doesn’t have 100 players watching this thread to upvote me.

Nobody here wants as many players as TC has. That’s just silly that the game puts that many players in one area. If it were doubled, the lag fest would make it unplayable, and serve as the primary reason for why people leave t1 and t2 servers.

On opening night I saw a blob of 40 tc, then another 40 joined from their hiding spot by garrison. That was hilarious, as we didn’t even match the numbers of the first 40. Later, we took back garrison with the out-manned buff on. Am I complaining while saying this? No. Of course not. I rarely died, and I made a metric ton of loot. As did my fellow guildies.

You guys are coming off as talking down to the way we play, and free-spirited enjoyment of the game. It’s a little over-the-top. Get a grip. I’m sure there will be 5 separate chapter-length responses to this. Perhaps dissecting it down to “you play for loot, we play to win”, or “nice points, bro”, or even “it’s not our fault you don’t have players”.

heh

I don’t think any one from TC is trying to talk down to anyone from Mag as far as play styles go, unless they have openly said they were lecturing. I mean Mag players aren’t trying to talk down to Toaster right?

GuardianOMS.8067:

I don’t even know where to begin in this thread, I’ve missed so much already.

Maguuma drama tldr: I hate one person but everyone else is okay. I’m transfering to a different server kthxbye

Lanimal.6541:

Haha I love it when losing servers go on a crutch like ‘getting more bags or killing more in open field is really winning’. Sure whatever helps you guys sleep at night

Um, Maguuma has been doing this since day one. This is nothing new that we have never cared about PPT, score, or winning. You’ll find that many other people on many other servers don’t either. It’s this weird thing called fun and score not being a factor to it.

Yeah losing servers tend to fallback on that statement. I’m sorry you had to face TC who just have superior coverage to even give you guys a chance in this match-up. Though being a sore loser is quite sad.

Except we say that when we win too?

There have been some great fights over the weekend and I have seen some fine skilled opponents in action from all servers.

Play for fun, if that means PPT, open field battles, defence, roaming or large forces, so be it!

Thanks for turning up to WvW and bringing the fun, see you on the battlefields!

katniss.6735:

You guys are coming off as talking down to the way we play.

xDxDxD

I don’t even need to try any more. This thread is a gold mine.

This thread needs more smash and bang.

PvF Spectator mode atm.

I wish magswaggers actually had the swag to impress us =/ just another boring week of Rping as rams

Obby Shards.9365:

I wish magswaggers actually had the swag to impress us =/

Please define what swag means in your statement.

just started reading this thread and TC it’s easy to claim you outskill your opponents when you outnumber them 5-1 and have t3 upgrades everywhere. Remember that matchup against SoR, we certainly do.

Xirin.8593:

Obby Shards.9365:

I wish magswaggers actually had the swag to impress us =/

Please define what swag means in your statement.

That’s up to you i’m just here to Rp as the bag collector

Le Rooster.8715:

just started reading this thread and TC it’s easy to claim you outskill your opponents when you outnumber them 5-1 and have t3 upgrades everywhere. Remember that matchup against SoR, we certainly do.

We organised some even-number fights and they turned out fairly evenly vs. SoR. Come do some 20vs20 (or 25s) and see if we really do outskill you.