Guild Wars 2

Legion.1569:

Those were some fun fights, when you guys would actually fight. Youve got the stacking tactics down but your supposed to actually push and not coward up when you have triple the numbers of the other side, i understand if your not there yet.

@fluffy You always make me laugh (like when i laughed on your body for 5 minutes) but by your math if you guys had only 30-35 people we only had 3 and 2 of them were afk pets.

from what I saw you guys had around 30-40 so the numbers were pretty even, also DDLG showed the same tactics over and over again. Stacking → *trying to bait us into choke → bombing. You guys are experts at it but when it’s the only thing you do it becomes predictable hence the reason we ended up flanking/wiping you guys most of the time.

Also if I remember right I let you /laugh at me for 5 minutes because I was trying to have a decent conversation with your buddies haha. If you ever manage to kill me one on one I may be impressed but I’ve never seen you run outside of the zerg

Oohhh so DR is in last place! Thank you wish i couldnt see the scoreboard for some reason!

Your screen is probably black and white too often to see who’s winning.

lol cmon fluffy, ive killed you countless times in the middle of your zergs and spent the time to laugh at your body. your a signet of malice shortbow thief, about as easy to kill as an upscaled ranger.. Remember what happened when you called your 2 guildies into the camp? yeah they got wrecked 1v2.

As loosin said we had 21 people in ts, against a minimum of your 60, so the fact that you guys wiped as much as you did and cowarded as much as you did is pathetic. Eventually we got tired of waiting for your giant zerg to push so we said kitten it and charged in against 3x our numbers.

But according to you we had even numbers and you wiped us, so can we interest you in an even number gvg? no? didnt think so.

Legion.1569:

lol cmon fluffy, ive killed you countless times in the middle of your zergs and spent the time to laugh at your body. your a signet of malice shortbow thief, about as easy to kill as an upscaled ranger.. Remember what happened when you called your 2 guildies into the camp? yeah they got wrecked 1v2.

As loosin said we had 21 people in ts, against a minimum of your 60, so the fact that you guys wiped as much as you did and cowarded as much as you did is pathetic. Eventually we got tired of waiting for your giant zerg to push so we said kitten it and charged in against 3x our numbers.

But according to you we had even numbers and you wiped us, so can we interest you in an even number gvg? no? didnt think so.

I don’t think my guild can GvG you guys considering my guild has maybe 5 WvW people? Also I did do a GvG against DDLG’s baby guild Bags. 3v3’s I think and it was pretty close. Also signet of malice works with my build since I’m traited to have it on a 12 sec CD, get 2 initiative from it, 8 stacks of might (5 from trait 3 from altruism rune set), and fury for 5 secs. Anyways I do remember specifically telling them not to come to me since I was just talking to your buddies lol. Also it was a lvl 80 an upscale vs you + 5 vet guards.

Again this is the reason our server has issues with alot of your members, you can’t admit to wiping even numbers so instead you result to saying “you outmanned us 3:1” it’s just not true.

Then your traited wrong lol. And i dont particularly care if you have an issue with our members. Im more then willing to admit when we lose with even numbers, it happens, we learn from it and move on. But when you actually had 3x our numbers and you get wiped anyway, im sure as kitten gonna call you out on it.

And the gvg invitation extends to any ioj guild not just your little guild.

Diamond.1093:

Your screen is probably black and white too often to see who’s winning.

Why would it be black and white? Is that what you see when you die? I wouldn’t know, since GOM is owning DR hands down and I never die.

ARM

ARM.3912:

Diamond.1093:

Your screen is probably black and white too often to see who’s winning.

Why would it be black and white? Is that what you see when you die? I wouldn’t know, since GOM is owning DR hands down and I never die.

ARM

I’m sure your armor repair bill says otherwise. Oh and all of the siege you throw down, I’m sure that doesn’t help either.

Legion.1569:

But according to you we had even numbers and you wiped us, so can we interest you in an even number gvg? no? didnt think so.

I was responding to this silly

Tots.3056:

Thanks CORE group running the Zerg in IoJ bl. Really made me think with the tactics. DDLG enjoys fights like that so keep it up, great pug organization on your end.

you actually had trouble with that CORE group?

To DDLG:

I’ll give you this: the fights were fun.

Closer to the end, yes we outnumbered you pretty badly. But in the beginning, you guys outnumbered us. Somewhere in the middle of our little ZvZ session I would say we were pretty even. Also keep in mind that for many of those fights, we were pretty much half pugs. And HARD didn’t even show up until we asked for them to towards the end, since you all called in regA (not 100% if that was the guild or not) for a 2nd flanking zerg and had siegerazer giving you buffs.

Now, as far as your complaining about us not charging you goes, don’t put your ideas of victory on us. Your zerg was looking for a fight, while our objective was something entirely different.

Also, why would I charge you directly anyway? Your guild kittened me off after making a video, but that also led me know how you all operate. Why would I charge a zerg that specializes in baiting zergs and abusing rings / lines that have no cap on applications, and then bombing them with mostly tanky guardians + AoE blinds? Numbers don’t matter nearly as much when your CC hits an unlimited amount of people.

Don’t you think it is a little ironic that you call us out for cowardice if we don’t walk into your trap, while calling us out for stupidity if we do? Also, did you really think I was going to charge you head-on, only to get flanked by the other regA zerg you called in?

To DR as a whole:

Siege (including ACs and Ballis) is a mechanic of WvW. If you don’t like it, go to sPvP. My goal isn’t to have a glorious charge with nothing but an even or outnumbered zerg against my enemies. My goal is to win / make others lose. So, why would I stop using siege on you all when it kills you & caps your assets more efficiently than banging my face against you? Isn’t that also something you complain about (PvDooring)? Don’t act like you all don’t take advantage of WvW mechanics in an effort of “fairness”.

Lightsbane.9012:

Tots.3056:

Thanks CORE group running the Zerg in IoJ bl. Really made me think with the tactics. DDLG enjoys fights like that so keep it up, great pug organization on your end.

you actually had trouble with that CORE group?

Because it’s so hard to wipe a group of 15 of us with 20-25 of you initially under cannon fire, AC fire, and then having a waypoint right around the corner during the entire fight. And if I remember correctly, 7ish of us were alive for that fight far longer than we should have been.

Not that I wouldn’t have done it exactly how you all did, but it’s not really anything to brag about.

Diamond.1093:

Your screen is probably black and white too often to see who’s winning.

ARM!

MrFluffy.9307:

Again this is the reason our server has issues with alot of your members, you can’t admit to wiping even numbers so instead you result to saying “you outmanned us 3:1” it’s just not true.

At the same time this is the issue we have with your server. You can’t admit to losing a fight when you greatly outnumber us. You guys say it’s even EVERY single time. When you lose, it’s always “okay good fight you outplayed with EVEN numbers.”

Having exactly even numbers in fights is a whole different ball game. The chances of us having EXACTLY EVEN numbers is very improbable anyway. Someone is going to outnumber the other person in every fight.

Tots.3056:

MrFluffy.9307:

Again this is the reason our server has issues with alot of your members, you can’t admit to wiping even numbers so instead you result to saying “you outmanned us 3:1” it’s just not true.

At the same time this is the issue we have with your server. You can’t admit to losing a fight when you greatly outnumber us. You guys say it’s even EVERY single time. When you lose, it’s always “okay good fight you outplayed with EVEN numbers.”

Having exactly even numbers in fights is a whole different ball game. The chances of us having EXACTLY EVEN numbers is very improbable anyway. Someone is going to outnumber the other person in every fight.

the thing is I see lots of DR always saying “you greatly outnumber us” while posting screenshots without the outnumbered buff. I do understand you can still be outnumbered without the buff but I’m not buying this 3:1 BS without it. And yes it’s true that it’s nearly impossible to have an equal number fight but either way give or take 5 people it’s not going to make much of a difference which is why I’m calling it even numbers.

Believe it or not your server is very bad at estimating zerg size hence the reason we have to call you guys out on it so often Not an insult just a fact. Anyways, there were TONS of great fights tonight and for that I thank you. Hopefully we can do this again tomorrow in let’s say…GoM’s BL??

MrFluffy.9307:

Tots.3056:

MrFluffy.9307:

Again this is the reason our server has issues with alot of your members, you can’t admit to wiping even numbers so instead you result to saying “you outmanned us 3:1” it’s just not true.

At the same time this is the issue we have with your server. You can’t admit to losing a fight when you greatly outnumber us. You guys say it’s even EVERY single time. When you lose, it’s always “okay good fight you outplayed with EVEN numbers.”

Having exactly even numbers in fights is a whole different ball game. The chances of us having EXACTLY EVEN numbers is very improbable anyway. Someone is going to outnumber the other person in every fight.

the thing is I see lots of DR always saying “you greatly outnumber us” while posting screenshots without the outnumbered buff. I do understand you can still be outnumbered without the buff but I’m not buying this 3:1 BS without it. And yes it’s true that it’s nearly impossible to have an equal number fight but either way give or take 5 people it’s not going to make much of a difference which is why I’m calling it even numbers.

Believe it or not your server is very bad at estimating zerg size hence the reason we have to call you guys out on it so often Not an insult just a fact. Anyways, there were TONS of great fights tonight and for that I thank you. Hopefully we can do this again tomorrow in let’s say…GoM’s BL??

As you will see in the video we have the outnumbered buff in the beginning when we’re fighting the first zerg. Someone will post it when it’s uploaded.

MrFluffy.9307:

Legion.1569:

lol cmon fluffy, ive killed you countless times in the middle of your zergs and spent the time to laugh at your body. your a signet of malice shortbow thief, about as easy to kill as an upscaled ranger.. Remember what happened when you called your 2 guildies into the camp? yeah they got wrecked 1v2.

As loosin said we had 21 people in ts, against a minimum of your 60, so the fact that you guys wiped as much as you did and cowarded as much as you did is pathetic. Eventually we got tired of waiting for your giant zerg to push so we said kitten it and charged in against 3x our numbers.

But according to you we had even numbers and you wiped us, so can we interest you in an even number gvg? no? didnt think so.

I don’t think my guild can GvG you guys considering my guild has maybe 5 WvW people? Also I did do a GvG against DDLG’s baby guild Bags. 3v3’s I think and it was pretty close. Also signet of malice works with my build since I’m traited to have it on a 12 sec CD, get 2 initiative from it, 8 stacks of might (5 from trait 3 from altruism rune set), and fury for 5 secs. Anyways I do remember specifically telling them not to come to me since I was just talking to your buddies lol. Also it was a lvl 80 an upscale vs you + 5 vet guards.

Again this is the reason our server has issues with alot of your members, you can’t admit to wiping even numbers so instead you result to saying “you outmanned us 3:1” it’s just not true.

Bags would be more than happy to do some 5v5’s or less before the matchup end. PM me on the forums to set it up if you’re interested.

Kcrook.3945:

The fights were indeed fun, but I don’t understand the logic of falling back to Arrow Carts when you have the advantage of 60ish VS. 25ish. I can’t even begin to count how many arrow carts you guys built and how many times we just went out and stood in the open field so that you would even fight us. That being said though, it was a fun time when we actually duked it out. My game literally froze on the bridge by ruins one time because of your massive focused AOE. Never happend before lol.

[CORE] lets get a GvG going!

60 on 25? K. You post your video and we’ll post ours.

ARM.3912:

Oohhh so DR is in last place! Thank you wish i couldnt see the scoreboard for some reason!

19. IOJ 149503 +1.473
16. GOM 171385 -9.966
20. DR 145207 +8.536

Yep, last place. To a server 1.3 tiers above us and a server with Oceanic coverage that completely owns us. And yet we are gaining rating, almost as much as you are losing. So, against 2 servers you should be dominating, you are losing rating points. And both of us are gaining. I agree, we are in last place. We suck. We just don’t suck nearly as much as you do.

Neeho.3859:

ARM.3912:

Oohhh so DR is in last place! Thank you wish i couldnt see the scoreboard for some reason!

19. IOJ 149503 +1.473
16. GOM 171385 -9.966
20. DR 145207 +8.536

Yep, last place. To a server 1.3 tiers above us and a server with Oceanic coverage that completely owns us. And yet we are gaining rating, almost as much as you are losing. So, against 2 servers you should be dominating, you are losing rating points. And both of us are gaining. I agree, we are in last place. We suck. We just don’t suck nearly as much as you do.

I’d just like to point out that IoJ hasn’t really been able to take advantage of oceanic coverage with it being summer and lots of college/highschoolers are able to stay up all night lol. Basically IoJ hasn’t been able to PvDoor since classes got out haha.

MrFluffy.9307:

Tots.3056:

MrFluffy.9307:

Again this is the reason our server has issues with alot of your members, you can’t admit to wiping even numbers so instead you result to saying “you outmanned us 3:1” it’s just not true.

At the same time this is the issue we have with your server. You can’t admit to losing a fight when you greatly outnumber us. You guys say it’s even EVERY single time. When you lose, it’s always “okay good fight you outplayed with EVEN numbers.”

Having exactly even numbers in fights is a whole different ball game. The chances of us having EXACTLY EVEN numbers is very improbable anyway. Someone is going to outnumber the other person in every fight.

the thing is I see lots of DR always saying “you greatly outnumber us” while posting screenshots without the outnumbered buff. I do understand you can still be outnumbered without the buff but I’m not buying this 3:1 BS without it. And yes it’s true that it’s nearly impossible to have an equal number fight but either way give or take 5 people it’s not going to make much of a difference which is why I’m calling it even numbers.

Believe it or not your server is very bad at estimating zerg size hence the reason we have to call you guys out on it so often Not an insult just a fact. Anyways, there were TONS of great fights tonight and for that I thank you. Hopefully we can do this again tomorrow in let’s say…GoM’s BL??

Because unlike IoJ, 98% of DR players in a map are not confined to a 5×5m blob.

AggieTechGuy.4901:

:

To DR as a whole:

Siege (including ACs and Ballis) is a mechanic of WvW. If you don’t like it, go to sPvP. My goal isn’t to have a glorious charge with nothing but an even or outnumbered zerg against my enemies. My goal is to win / make others lose. So, why would I stop using siege on you all when it kills you & caps your assets more efficiently than banging my face against you? Isn’t that also something you complain about (PvDooring)? Don’t act like you all don’t take advantage of WvW mechanics in an effort of “fairness”.

I totally get what you are saying about the use of siege. If you have got it, use it.

The issue I have is that with your numbers, and I mean the CORE/HARD group, you should and could be better than you are at certain aspects of WvW.

You won’t see VP complain about being outnumbered, thats the way we like it. We only run between 8-12 guys on a regular night and like to fight the big zergs as much as we can.

Frequently, we get stomped, as is the tricky nature of poking the big beast with a sharp stick, but occassionally we manage to pull it off and wipe the big groups, and that’s what it is all about for us, that and open field fights.

The other night we were in the IoJ SE tower doing our usual open tower defence stuff. I think you guys wiped 2-3 times trying to get in. Then the siege comes out.

Arrow carts everywhere around the outside, ballistas, and extra treb hitting us inside the tower. All fair enough and fully expected. Most of which we were able to get rid of and get back into the tower.

What we have NEVER seen before, and I mean none of us in VP, was the 2 Omega golems you built in hills and came at us with next. 2 Omegas to take a tower with 10 VP in it and no walls!

Hey…. it worked

I did not think there was a limit to what is “fair” as far as siege goes, but I think that may have been getting close to it. And I really never thought I would say that.

Anyway, we are having some good fights this week and I am enjoying going up against IoJ and GoM.

/salute

Neeho.3859:

ARM.3912:

Oohhh so DR is in last place! Thank you wish i couldnt see the scoreboard for some reason!

19. IOJ 149503 +1.473
16. GOM 171385 -9.966
20. DR 145207 +8.536

Yep, last place. To a server 1.3 tiers above us and a server with Oceanic coverage that completely owns us. And yet we are gaining rating, almost as much as you are losing. So, against 2 servers you should be dominating, you are losing rating points. And both of us are gaining. I agree, we are in last place. We suck. We just don’t suck nearly as much as you do.

We don’t have much oceanice coverage anymore, karma trains in EB on day crew dismantled our EB night crew really hard… We had 4 people at one stage trying to defend and on the only thing we owned in EB was our keep. The 4 that were on were extremely thankful RISE guild came to save EB while Ioj guys were halfway through trebbing the keep and DR were bringing golems. So by saying that, the truth is it’s Ioj that have supreme dominance during oceanic time zone now and DR can still field more people than us atm as I seen when you took durious from us, unless you call 2 GoM vs 6 DR as us having more. We also lost some more night crew players that used to help alot over the last few days to Tarnished Coast due to the bullkitten that happens within our own server and when a guild benefits themselves at the expense of the server this will only get worse.

Neeho.3859:

ARM.3912:

Oohhh so DR is in last place! Thank you wish i couldnt see the scoreboard for some reason!

19. IOJ 149503 +1.473
16. GOM 171385 -9.966
20. DR 145207 +8.536

Yep, last place. To a server 1.3 tiers above us and a server with Oceanic coverage that completely owns us. And yet we are gaining rating, almost as much as you are losing. So, against 2 servers you should be dominating, you are losing rating points. And both of us are gaining. I agree, we are in last place. We suck. We just don’t suck nearly as much as you do.

That’s right, a server above you: GOM.

ARM

sephiroth.4217:

Neeho.3859:

ARM.3912:

Oohhh so DR is in last place! Thank you wish i couldnt see the scoreboard for some reason!

19. IOJ 149503 +1.473
16. GOM 171385 -9.966
20. DR 145207 +8.536

Yep, last place. To a server 1.3 tiers above us and a server with Oceanic coverage that completely owns us. And yet we are gaining rating, almost as much as you are losing. So, against 2 servers you should be dominating, you are losing rating points. And both of us are gaining. I agree, we are in last place. We suck. We just don’t suck nearly as much as you do.

We don’t have much oceanice coverage anymore, karma trains in EB on day crew dismantled our EB night crew really hard… We had 4 people at one stage trying to defend and on the only thing we owned in EB was our keep. The 4 that were on were extremely thankful RISE guild came to save EB while Ioj guys were halfway through trebbing the keep and DR were bringing golems. So by saying that, the truth is it’s Ioj that have supreme dominance during oceanic time zone now and DR can still field more people than us atm as I seen when you took durious from us, unless you call 2 GoM vs 6 DR as us having more. We also lost some more night crew players that used to help alot over the last few days to Tarnished Coast due to the bullkitten that happens within our own server and when a guild benefits themselves at the expense of the server this will only get worse.

GoM’s problem is a lot simpler than that. We are bored.

In order for GoM to fight a tougher opponent, we need to get a large positive roll and DH/SBI needs to get a strong negative roll. All other random rolls will result in us fighting weaker servers again. This is a ~25% chance of a challenge, and a ~75% of stomping weaker servers again. (This is just estimated math, I’m sure someone has the hard numbers.)

This is happening because of the HUGE artificial rating gap between rank 15 and rank 16. I call it artificial because last time we fought DH, we only lost by a little. NSP fared quite well against the T5 servers also. There is no reason for such a 250+ rating gap. Once GoM or NSP gets the opportunity to test that rating gap, it will collapse. But we need a really lucky random roll to get that chance.

So GoM is bored. I’ve barely played WvW this week, and my guild has not played it much either. Some of my “I hate all things PvE” members are working on map completion. The truth is, GoM is phoning it in.

It just goes to show you that morale is everything in WvW.

titanlectro.5029:

sephiroth.4217:

Neeho.3859:

ARM.3912:

Oohhh so DR is in last place! Thank you wish i couldnt see the scoreboard for some reason!

19. IOJ 149503 +1.473
16. GOM 171385 -9.966
20. DR 145207 +8.536

Yep, last place. To a server 1.3 tiers above us and a server with Oceanic coverage that completely owns us. And yet we are gaining rating, almost as much as you are losing. So, against 2 servers you should be dominating, you are losing rating points. And both of us are gaining. I agree, we are in last place. We suck. We just don’t suck nearly as much as you do.

We don’t have much oceanice coverage anymore, karma trains in EB on day crew dismantled our EB night crew really hard… We had 4 people at one stage trying to defend and on the only thing we owned in EB was our keep. The 4 that were on were extremely thankful RISE guild came to save EB while Ioj guys were halfway through trebbing the keep and DR were bringing golems. So by saying that, the truth is it’s Ioj that have supreme dominance during oceanic time zone now and DR can still field more people than us atm as I seen when you took durious from us, unless you call 2 GoM vs 6 DR as us having more. We also lost some more night crew players that used to help alot over the last few days to Tarnished Coast due to the bullkitten that happens within our own server and when a guild benefits themselves at the expense of the server this will only get worse.

GoM’s problem is a lot simpler than that. We are bored.

In order for GoM to fight a tougher opponent, we need to get a large positive roll and DH/SBI needs to get a strong negative roll. All other random rolls will result in us fighting weaker servers again. This is a ~25% chance of a challenge, and a ~75% of stomping weaker servers again. (This is just estimated math, I’m sure someone has the hard numbers.)

This is happening because of the HUGE artificial rating gap between rank 15 and rank 16. I call it artificial because last time we fought DH, we only lost by a little. NSP fared quite well against the T5 servers also. There is no reason for such a 250+ rating gap. Once GoM or NSP gets the opportunity to test that rating gap, it will collapse. But we need a really lucky random roll to get that chance.

So GoM is bored. I’ve barely played WvW this week, and my guild has not played it much either. Some of my “I hate all things PvE” members are working on map completion. The truth is, GoM is phoning it in.

It just goes to show you that morale is everything in WvW.

I can tell you guys are coasting this week. It is way too easy to flip stuff in your BL. Would usually expect the hoard descending within seconds upon anyone that strolls past one of your keeps and looks at it funny.

Good time to be practicing your open field fights and new tactics? There are a few really good groups to go up against in the open and I know the DR guys would love the fights.

Just a suggestion as a way to perhaps break the boredom slightly.

I know we practice on weeks that there isn’t much to be done PPT wise and it makes a difference for us.

/salute

Hello Isle of Janthir and Gate of Madness! I will be hosting a Fight Club and everyone is welcome!

Location – Devona’s Rest Borderlands under Victor’s Lodge Camp
Time – 8 PM EST. If you need a conversion to your time zone, please PM me your immediate time!

Standard Rules/Tips:
- /bow before each duel
- Duels end when the opposed is downed
- If an interruption divides a duel, please warn the player that an event is occurring and should be told to immediately stop interrupting. If the player continues the interruption, the opposed should down the player. Finishing a player is absolutely unnecessary and is not tolerated.
- Team Duels are allowed, if you would like to start one, each team must have equal amounts of players, and the duel initiates when all team players /bow. The team duel is finished when the opposing players are finished and the last person is downed. You may resurrect your team player if they’re downed, but not when they’re finished until the team duel is complete.
- Siege weapons and items from the “Traps and Tricks” outfitter is not permitted.
- No Stacks are permitted. ex. Corruption, Perception, Bloodlust, Life, Luck, Applied Fortitude, Guard Leech, etc.

Please be advised that Fight Club is about practice between players in which they could not personally nor able to test their full potential in sPvP. This event is also about creating friendships between servers.

I hope to see many people there as I have seen on the forums, hope everyone can make it!

If there are any questions about this event, please whisper me anything you misunderstand before Fight Club.

It’s quite sad I have to say this, but I have been reading a bit on the forums and Fight Club is an issue. I welcome anyone who joins Fight Club and I absolutely acknowledge anyone who is willing to befriend anyone else from having a great fight between one another, or a terrible loss against one another. As long as there is improvement of yourself and you’re capable to be confident to become better the next Fight Club, then I am much appreciated enough.

However, if you feel the need that the only reason you duel at the moment is to prove that you are better than someone or just to meet with friends to have a relaxing duel, then continue. The only thing I do not respect is if you use Fight Club as a “scapegoat” to increase potential points and able to get away with it.

I am only a person like anyone else. 5 months ago, I was just an attender to Fight Club, and I guess I still am, but I post every week ever since those 5 months and continue. Some weeks are boring, some weeks are great, and some weeks are broken, but doesn’t mean to allow myself to take a camp and use Fight Club as an excuse just because you have a bunch of friends that are at the Windmill. As people said nicely, people respect Fight Club as an event and are happy enough to ignore everyone behind the Windmill.

We have our issues sometimes. People interrupt. People get frustrated. People dislike the idea of it. People are inferior to it. Out of all of the weeks I’ve attended, only a few were purposely interrupted by arrogant players, in which we stood back and let them finish up. If it continued, we simply moved to a different location.

It is an honour for myself to host these and are able to have the majority of the population to respect this event enough to not interrupt it, and I still try to keep off the forums simply because people can use my arrogance on the forums towards what I enjoy as a hobby and sabotage what I love.

I ask politely, try to keep off the forums about Fight Clubs, positive or negative, you shouldn’t be bringing it up except and after the day of the main event, where it is a set time and a taken place.

For anyone who finds these small Fight Clubs being used as to their advantage, if this happens again, you have my word to completely interrupt and sabotage it if it gets out of hand.

Thank you for your patience to read this. Fight Club starts in approximately 9 hours and 30 minutes from this post.

I stand corrected you finally stumbled into a fight with the other team.

AggieTechGuy.4901:

Lightsbane.9012:

Tots.3056:

Thanks CORE group running the Zerg in IoJ bl. Really made me think with the tactics. DDLG enjoys fights like that so keep it up, great pug organization on your end.

you actually had trouble with that CORE group?

Because it’s so hard to wipe a group of 15 of us with 20-25 of you initially under cannon fire, AC fire, and then having a waypoint right around the corner during the entire fight. And if I remember correctly, 7ish of us were alive for that fight far longer than we should have been.

Not that I wouldn’t have done it exactly how you all did, but it’s not really anything to brag about.

oh really? well when i fought the CORE group it was like 15 GOM vs 20 IOJ. granted 80% of that group was puggish.

titanlectro.5029:

sephiroth.4217:

Neeho.3859:

ARM.3912:

Oohhh so DR is in last place! Thank you wish i couldnt see the scoreboard for some reason!

19. IOJ 149503 +1.473
16. GOM 171385 -9.966
20. DR 145207 +8.536

Yep, last place. To a server 1.3 tiers above us and a server with Oceanic coverage that completely owns us. And yet we are gaining rating, almost as much as you are losing. So, against 2 servers you should be dominating, you are losing rating points. And both of us are gaining. I agree, we are in last place. We suck. We just don’t suck nearly as much as you do.

We don’t have much oceanice coverage anymore, karma trains in EB on day crew dismantled our EB night crew really hard… We had 4 people at one stage trying to defend and on the only thing we owned in EB was our keep. The 4 that were on were extremely thankful RISE guild came to save EB while Ioj guys were halfway through trebbing the keep and DR were bringing golems. So by saying that, the truth is it’s Ioj that have supreme dominance during oceanic time zone now and DR can still field more people than us atm as I seen when you took durious from us, unless you call 2 GoM vs 6 DR as us having more. We also lost some more night crew players that used to help alot over the last few days to Tarnished Coast due to the bullkitten that happens within our own server and when a guild benefits themselves at the expense of the server this will only get worse.

GoM’s problem is a lot simpler than that. We are bored.

In order for GoM to fight a tougher opponent, we need to get a large positive roll and DH/SBI needs to get a strong negative roll. All other random rolls will result in us fighting weaker servers again. This is a ~25% chance of a challenge, and a ~75% of stomping weaker servers again. (This is just estimated math, I’m sure someone has the hard numbers.)

This is happening because of the HUGE artificial rating gap between rank 15 and rank 16. I call it artificial because last time we fought DH, we only lost by a little. NSP fared quite well against the T5 servers also. There is no reason for such a 250+ rating gap. Once GoM or NSP gets the opportunity to test that rating gap, it will collapse. But we need a really lucky random roll to get that chance.

So GoM is bored. I’ve barely played WvW this week, and my guild has not played it much either. Some of my “I hate all things PvE” members are working on map completion. The truth is, GoM is phoning it in.

It just goes to show you that morale is everything in WvW.

It is all about morale and when night crew used to work hard to accomplish things for a bored day crew to give it all away for WxP and karma there isn’t much of it left. Enough about this from me, gonna farm EB some more and then hit up my new favourite part about GW2… sPvP

Snow Ghost.6817:

titanlectro.5029:

sephiroth.4217:

Neeho.3859:

ARM.3912:

Oohhh so DR is in last place! Thank you wish i couldnt see the scoreboard for some reason!

19. IOJ 149503 +1.473
16. GOM 171385 -9.966
20. DR 145207 +8.536

Yep, last place. To a server 1.3 tiers above us and a server with Oceanic coverage that completely owns us. And yet we are gaining rating, almost as much as you are losing. So, against 2 servers you should be dominating, you are losing rating points. And both of us are gaining. I agree, we are in last place. We suck. We just don’t suck nearly as much as you do.

We don’t have much oceanice coverage anymore, karma trains in EB on day crew dismantled our EB night crew really hard… We had 4 people at one stage trying to defend and on the only thing we owned in EB was our keep. The 4 that were on were extremely thankful RISE guild came to save EB while Ioj guys were halfway through trebbing the keep and DR were bringing golems. So by saying that, the truth is it’s Ioj that have supreme dominance during oceanic time zone now and DR can still field more people than us atm as I seen when you took durious from us, unless you call 2 GoM vs 6 DR as us having more. We also lost some more night crew players that used to help alot over the last few days to Tarnished Coast due to the bullkitten that happens within our own server and when a guild benefits themselves at the expense of the server this will only get worse.

GoM’s problem is a lot simpler than that. We are bored.

In order for GoM to fight a tougher opponent, we need to get a large positive roll and DH/SBI needs to get a strong negative roll. All other random rolls will result in us fighting weaker servers again. This is a ~25% chance of a challenge, and a ~75% of stomping weaker servers again. (This is just estimated math, I’m sure someone has the hard numbers.)

This is happening because of the HUGE artificial rating gap between rank 15 and rank 16. I call it artificial because last time we fought DH, we only lost by a little. NSP fared quite well against the T5 servers also. There is no reason for such a 250+ rating gap. Once GoM or NSP gets the opportunity to test that rating gap, it will collapse. But we need a really lucky random roll to get that chance.

So GoM is bored. I’ve barely played WvW this week, and my guild has not played it much either. Some of my “I hate all things PvE” members are working on map completion. The truth is, GoM is phoning it in.

It just goes to show you that morale is everything in WvW.

I can tell you guys are coasting this week. It is way too easy to flip stuff in your BL. Would usually expect the hoard descending within seconds upon anyone that strolls past one of your keeps and looks at it funny.

Good time to be practicing your open field fights and new tactics? There are a few really good groups to go up against in the open and I know the DR guys would love the fights.

Just a suggestion as a way to perhaps break the boredom slightly.

I know we practice on weeks that there isn’t much to be done PPT wise and it makes a difference for us.

/salute

Sorry I haven’t been on our BL to give you VP guys a good fight lately. I’ve been working on leveling some other characters as well as bringing my son up to speed on his first character. Don’t worry, I’ll be back causing havoc soon enough.

Your friendly Obon Mesmer

Wow what a shock… Dr takes back a few things 40 Gom show up to fight 5 or 6 people… then got to love the emotes…

Want to know why you cant bridge the ratings gap… you either cant or wont attack a defended position… you had this problem a couple months ago and apparently you still only attack weakly upgrade or undefended positions and to get into a tier/ranking you have to be able to take upgraded and defended positions and this week I havent seen the ability or desire to.

…
GOM #1
…

<3

irishhaf.1692:

Wow what a shock… Dr takes back a few things 40 Gom show up to fight 5 or 6 people… then got to love the emotes…

Want to know why you cant bridge the ratings gap… you either cant or wont attack a defended position… you had this problem a couple months ago and apparently you still only attack weakly upgrade or undefended positions and to get into a tier/ranking you have to be able to take upgraded and defended positions and this week I havent seen the ability or desire to.

The ratings gap was higher before. It goes away when the server below is matched with the server above. It’s workin down the ladder, I think, until the bottom server poops it out.

I do have to apologize for part of my comment… I know RH can take a defended position and fight in the open field… its the rest of your server that seems to be lacking.

irishhaf.1692:

I do have to apologize for part of my comment… I know RH can take a defended position and fight in the open field… its the rest of your server that seems to be lacking.

You don’t even know the half of it…..It’s all pretty sad. Gate of Sadness

irishhaf.1692:

I do have to apologize for part of my comment… I know RH can take a defended position and fight in the open field… its the rest of your server that seems to be lacking.

Thanks though we generally try to ninja undefended positions as much as possible, haha.

We’ve got a lot of smart commanders on the server and a WvW guilds with long and worthy histories. I think we do have a larger number of people than many of the servers we’ve been fightin (and that is due to a lot of work by our guilds and commanders gettin word out to our PvE players… which does include karma trains, yes, haha. It is a strange beast WvW. The fights are only a small part of making a “good” server) and that can make people who are used to being outnumbered very confused about what’s happening on the server, I think!

Meh… im off to work and as I leave IOJ is nearly untouched and we have 20+ Gom spawn camping us…
So refer back to my earlier statements… either cant or wont go after upgraded defended positions.

irishhaf.1692:

Meh… im off to work and as I leave IOJ is nearly untouched and we have 20+ Gom spawn camping us…
So refer back to my earlier statements… either cant or wont go after upgraded defended positions.

Spawn camping? THAT IS REAL GRIEFING GUYS. But that is okie in GOM handbook, right? Right?

to that Mesmer Knight from [HARD]:

Sorry our incidental duel ended that way, tried to get my fellow GoM dudes to stop, but wouldn’t. Sincerest apologies to both you and your friend. Obviously, I could do nothing about that Veteran Guard they dragged along.

— GoM Mesmer from [WvW]

Nordic Natedog.4360:

Snow Ghost.6817:

titanlectro.5029:

sephiroth.4217:

Neeho.3859:

ARM.3912:

Oohhh so DR is in last place! Thank you wish i couldnt see the scoreboard for some reason!

19. IOJ 149503 +1.473
16. GOM 171385 -9.966
20. DR 145207 +8.536

Yep, last place. To a server 1.3 tiers above us and a server with Oceanic coverage that completely owns us. And yet we are gaining rating, almost as much as you are losing. So, against 2 servers you should be dominating, you are losing rating points. And both of us are gaining. I agree, we are in last place. We suck. We just don’t suck nearly as much as you do.

We don’t have much oceanice coverage anymore, karma trains in EB on day crew dismantled our EB night crew really hard… We had 4 people at one stage trying to defend and on the only thing we owned in EB was our keep. The 4 that were on were extremely thankful RISE guild came to save EB while Ioj guys were halfway through trebbing the keep and DR were bringing golems. So by saying that, the truth is it’s Ioj that have supreme dominance during oceanic time zone now and DR can still field more people than us atm as I seen when you took durious from us, unless you call 2 GoM vs 6 DR as us having more. We also lost some more night crew players that used to help alot over the last few days to Tarnished Coast due to the bullkitten that happens within our own server and when a guild benefits themselves at the expense of the server this will only get worse.

GoM’s problem is a lot simpler than that. We are bored.

In order for GoM to fight a tougher opponent, we need to get a large positive roll and DH/SBI needs to get a strong negative roll. All other random rolls will result in us fighting weaker servers again. This is a ~25% chance of a challenge, and a ~75% of stomping weaker servers again. (This is just estimated math, I’m sure someone has the hard numbers.)

This is happening because of the HUGE artificial rating gap between rank 15 and rank 16. I call it artificial because last time we fought DH, we only lost by a little. NSP fared quite well against the T5 servers also. There is no reason for such a 250+ rating gap. Once GoM or NSP gets the opportunity to test that rating gap, it will collapse. But we need a really lucky random roll to get that chance.

So GoM is bored. I’ve barely played WvW this week, and my guild has not played it much either. Some of my “I hate all things PvE” members are working on map completion. The truth is, GoM is phoning it in.

It just goes to show you that morale is everything in WvW.

I can tell you guys are coasting this week. It is way too easy to flip stuff in your BL. Would usually expect the hoard descending within seconds upon anyone that strolls past one of your keeps and looks at it funny.

Good time to be practicing your open field fights and new tactics? There are a few really good groups to go up against in the open and I know the DR guys would love the fights.

Just a suggestion as a way to perhaps break the boredom slightly.

I know we practice on weeks that there isn’t much to be done PPT wise and it makes a difference for us.

/salute

Sorry I haven’t been on our BL to give you VP guys a good fight lately. I’ve been working on leveling some other characters as well as bringing my son up to speed on his first character. Don’t worry, I’ll be back causing havoc soon enough.

Your friendly Obon Mesmer

Looking forward to seeing you out there.

Some of our regular roamers are holidaying on NSP just now with some roaming guild.. can’t remember the name….. RSPB….SPAC… something like that

Hope we can still put up good fights for anyone that is out in the field.

/salute

Snow Ghost.6817:

I totally get what you are saying about the use of siege. If you have got it, use it.

The issue I have is that with your numbers, and I mean the CORE/HARD group, you should and could be better than you are at certain aspects of WvW.

You won’t see VP complain about being outnumbered, thats the way we like it. We only run between 8-12 guys on a regular night and like to fight the big zergs as much as we can.

Frequently, we get stomped, as is the tricky nature of poking the big beast with a sharp stick, but occassionally we manage to pull it off and wipe the big groups, and that’s what it is all about for us, that and open field fights.

The other night we were in the IoJ SE tower doing our usual open tower defence stuff. I think you guys wiped 2-3 times trying to get in. Then the siege comes out.

Arrow carts everywhere around the outside, ballistas, and extra treb hitting us inside the tower. All fair enough and fully expected. Most of which we were able to get rid of and get back into the tower.

What we have NEVER seen before, and I mean none of us in VP, was the 2 Omega golems you built in hills and came at us with next. 2 Omegas to take a tower with 10 VP in it and no walls!

Hey…. it worked

I did not think there was a limit to what is “fair” as far as siege goes, but I think that may have been getting close to it. And I really never thought I would say that.

Anyway, we are having some good fights this week and I am enjoying going up against IoJ and GoM.

/salute

There is a big difference between an organized [HARD][CORE] group and a mostly pug zerg. I’m usually in most of those organized zergs, and don’t remember omega rushing a tower with the gate already down, haha. Although if you wiped my pug zerg 3 times while we try to get up those god-forsaken stairs, I would not be opposed to building a treb right in front of you. I’d rather waste supplies than lower IoJ morale.

It’s actually kind of funny though. With the price of omegas, it’s almost as if pugs prefer to roam with them rather than themselves. I’m sure IoJ has omega rushed people very stupidly at times. I’ve had the DR pugs omega rush pangloss, and GoM pugs (actually there was a comm in one) omega rush Danelon. What makes me giggle everytime is seeing a lone omega golem trying to take a camp, and then run away when our “Blob” descends upon it.

At any rate, know that CORE is a little over a month old, and most of our members were pugs only 1-2 weeks ago. We can definitely pull out numbers, but we’re by no means were we want to be yet. We do have some really good WvW here, but the biggest thing we’ve accomplished is getting all our members to actually listen and stay in that 5×5 blob, while simultaneously getting our pugs to do it by example.

And to be fair (I forget who said it) that 5×5 blob is pretty deadly . You can’t count our numbers very well, so aren’t sure if you should stay to fight or run. It also lets me micromanage how we choose to engage, rather than just a massive and really spread out push.

And I’ll have to tip my hat off to the GoM commander that successfully got your pugs to ball up between SM, Anz, and Spelden 2 nights ago. I didn’t think you’d be able to get them balled up .

irishhaf.1692:

Meh… im off to work and as I leave IOJ is nearly untouched and we have 20+ Gom spawn camping us…
So refer back to my earlier statements… either cant or wont go after upgraded defended positions.

Well . . . You could probably blame your forum warriors for that. You’re server did kind of kitten off at least 1 major commander / guild from both IoJ and GoM. Your server might want to reign them in a bit. You have some really good WvWers on DR, but they aren’t on all that often. So your good / organized WvWers gloat on the forums whenever they accomplish something, and it leaves everyone else with the backlash.

If it makes you feel any better, GoM is going to push IoJ after they get bored spawn camping you.

Tots.3056:

We had 21 DDLG in TS and I know during one push alone at the SE tower I got 20 stacks. And that was only half of you guys the other 20-25 organized people had pushed around through the tunnel while we wiped the pugs.

Regardless when you caught us in open field we were wiped, at least at the chokes we could hold our own.

Keep in mind that we were telling everyone that, if they died, to waypoint to the nearest keep immediately and run back. Which as often as we were just staring each other down, they had plenty of time to get back.

AggieTechGuy.4901:

Snow Ghost.6817:

I totally get what you are saying about the use of siege. If you have got it, use it.

The issue I have is that with your numbers, and I mean the CORE/HARD group, you should and could be better than you are at certain aspects of WvW.

You won’t see VP complain about being outnumbered, thats the way we like it. We only run between 8-12 guys on a regular night and like to fight the big zergs as much as we can.

Frequently, we get stomped, as is the tricky nature of poking the big beast with a sharp stick, but occassionally we manage to pull it off and wipe the big groups, and that’s what it is all about for us, that and open field fights.

The other night we were in the IoJ SE tower doing our usual open tower defence stuff. I think you guys wiped 2-3 times trying to get in. Then the siege comes out.

Arrow carts everywhere around the outside, ballistas, and extra treb hitting us inside the tower. All fair enough and fully expected. Most of which we were able to get rid of and get back into the tower.

What we have NEVER seen before, and I mean none of us in VP, was the 2 Omega golems you built in hills and came at us with next. 2 Omegas to take a tower with 10 VP in it and no walls!

Hey…. it worked

I did not think there was a limit to what is “fair” as far as siege goes, but I think that may have been getting close to it. And I really never thought I would say that.

Anyway, we are having some good fights this week and I am enjoying going up against IoJ and GoM.

/salute

There is a big difference between an organized [HARD][CORE] group and a mostly pug zerg. I’m usually in most of those organized zergs, and don’t remember omega rushing a tower with the gate already down, haha. Although if you wiped my pug zerg 3 times while we try to get up those god-forsaken stairs, I would not be opposed to building a treb right in front of you. I’d rather waste supplies than lower IoJ morale.

It’s actually kind of funny though. With the price of omegas, it’s almost as if pugs prefer to roam with them rather than themselves. I’m sure IoJ has omega rushed people very stupidly at times. I’ve had the DR pugs omega rush pangloss, and GoM pugs (actually there was a comm in one) omega rush Danelon. What makes me giggle everytime is seeing a lone omega golem trying to take a camp, and then run away when our “Blob” descends upon it.

At any rate, know that CORE is a little over a month old, and most of our members were pugs only 1-2 weeks ago. We can definitely pull out numbers, but we’re by no means were we want to be yet. We do have some really good WvW here, but the biggest thing we’ve accomplished is getting all our members to actually listen and stay in that 5×5 blob, while simultaneously getting our pugs to do it by example.

And to be fair (I forget who said it) that 5×5 blob is pretty deadly . You can’t count our numbers very well, so aren’t sure if you should stay to fight or run. It also lets me micromanage how we choose to engage, rather than just a massive and really spread out push.

And I’ll have to tip my hat off to the GoM commander that successfully got your pugs to ball up between SM, Anz, and Spelden 2 nights ago. I didn’t think you’d be able to get them balled up .

Fair enough. I have no way of knowing if it was the organised or pug version we were defending against. There was someone commanding, that was clear.

It was just so strange to see those Golems coming towards a tower with no walls at all

Didn’t know you guys were only a month old. Your Necro fields are very very annoying btw

We have had to change the way we fight against IoJ just in case we meet you guys. I was hoping for a bigger Necro nerf in the patch, but no such luck.

Running about in golems to take camps, well… thats just nonsense.

We aren’t too bad a judging numbers. We may run but only till we get a better position to fight from, well, usually

Give us a shout if you find yourself with only 20 people and nothing to do.

/salute

Snow Ghost.6817:

AggieTechGuy.4901:

Snow Ghost.6817:

I totally get what you are saying about the use of siege. If you have got it, use it.

The issue I have is that with your numbers, and I mean the CORE/HARD group, you should and could be better than you are at certain aspects of WvW.

You won’t see VP complain about being outnumbered, thats the way we like it. We only run between 8-12 guys on a regular night and like to fight the big zergs as much as we can.

Frequently, we get stomped, as is the tricky nature of poking the big beast with a sharp stick, but occassionally we manage to pull it off and wipe the big groups, and that’s what it is all about for us, that and open field fights.

The other night we were in the IoJ SE tower doing our usual open tower defence stuff. I think you guys wiped 2-3 times trying to get in. Then the siege comes out.

Arrow carts everywhere around the outside, ballistas, and extra treb hitting us inside the tower. All fair enough and fully expected. Most of which we were able to get rid of and get back into the tower.

What we have NEVER seen before, and I mean none of us in VP, was the 2 Omega golems you built in hills and came at us with next. 2 Omegas to take a tower with 10 VP in it and no walls!

Hey…. it worked

I did not think there was a limit to what is “fair” as far as siege goes, but I think that may have been getting close to it. And I really never thought I would say that.

Anyway, we are having some good fights this week and I am enjoying going up against IoJ and GoM.

/salute

There is a big difference between an organized [HARD][CORE] group and a mostly pug zerg. I’m usually in most of those organized zergs, and don’t remember omega rushing a tower with the gate already down, haha. Although if you wiped my pug zerg 3 times while we try to get up those god-forsaken stairs, I would not be opposed to building a treb right in front of you. I’d rather waste supplies than lower IoJ morale.

It’s actually kind of funny though. With the price of omegas, it’s almost as if pugs prefer to roam with them rather than themselves. I’m sure IoJ has omega rushed people very stupidly at times. I’ve had the DR pugs omega rush pangloss, and GoM pugs (actually there was a comm in one) omega rush Danelon. What makes me giggle everytime is seeing a lone omega golem trying to take a camp, and then run away when our “Blob” descends upon it.

At any rate, know that CORE is a little over a month old, and most of our members were pugs only 1-2 weeks ago. We can definitely pull out numbers, but we’re by no means were we want to be yet. We do have some really good WvW here, but the biggest thing we’ve accomplished is getting all our members to actually listen and stay in that 5×5 blob, while simultaneously getting our pugs to do it by example.

And to be fair (I forget who said it) that 5×5 blob is pretty deadly . You can’t count our numbers very well, so aren’t sure if you should stay to fight or run. It also lets me micromanage how we choose to engage, rather than just a massive and really spread out push.

And I’ll have to tip my hat off to the GoM commander that successfully got your pugs to ball up between SM, Anz, and Spelden 2 nights ago. I didn’t think you’d be able to get them balled up .

Fair enough. I have no way of knowing if it was the organised or pug version we were defending against. There was someone commanding, that was clear.

It was just so strange to see those Golems coming towards a tower with no walls at all

Didn’t know you guys were only a month old. Your Necro fields are very very annoying btw

We have had to change the way we fight against IoJ just in case we meet you guys. I was hoping for a bigger Necro nerf in the patch, but no such luck.

Running about in golems to take camps, well… thats just nonsense.

We aren’t too bad a judging numbers. We may run but only till we get a better position to fight from, well, usually

Give us a shout if you find yourself with only 20 people and nothing to do.

/salute

A BIGGER necro nerf? I feel the need to hunt you down now.

bokkieskitten.8023:

Snow Ghost.6817:

AggieTechGuy.4901:

Snow Ghost.6817:

I totally get what you are saying about the use of siege. If you have got it, use it.

The issue I have is that with your numbers, and I mean the CORE/HARD group, you should and could be better than you are at certain aspects of WvW.

You won’t see VP complain about being outnumbered, thats the way we like it. We only run between 8-12 guys on a regular night and like to fight the big zergs as much as we can.

Frequently, we get stomped, as is the tricky nature of poking the big beast with a sharp stick, but occassionally we manage to pull it off and wipe the big groups, and that’s what it is all about for us, that and open field fights.

The other night we were in the IoJ SE tower doing our usual open tower defence stuff. I think you guys wiped 2-3 times trying to get in. Then the siege comes out.

Arrow carts everywhere around the outside, ballistas, and extra treb hitting us inside the tower. All fair enough and fully expected. Most of which we were able to get rid of and get back into the tower.

What we have NEVER seen before, and I mean none of us in VP, was the 2 Omega golems you built in hills and came at us with next. 2 Omegas to take a tower with 10 VP in it and no walls!

Hey…. it worked

I did not think there was a limit to what is “fair” as far as siege goes, but I think that may have been getting close to it. And I really never thought I would say that.

Anyway, we are having some good fights this week and I am enjoying going up against IoJ and GoM.

/salute

There is a big difference between an organized [HARD][CORE] group and a mostly pug zerg. I’m usually in most of those organized zergs, and don’t remember omega rushing a tower with the gate already down, haha. Although if you wiped my pug zerg 3 times while we try to get up those god-forsaken stairs, I would not be opposed to building a treb right in front of you. I’d rather waste supplies than lower IoJ morale.

It’s actually kind of funny though. With the price of omegas, it’s almost as if pugs prefer to roam with them rather than themselves. I’m sure IoJ has omega rushed people very stupidly at times. I’ve had the DR pugs omega rush pangloss, and GoM pugs (actually there was a comm in one) omega rush Danelon. What makes me giggle everytime is seeing a lone omega golem trying to take a camp, and then run away when our “Blob” descends upon it.

At any rate, know that CORE is a little over a month old, and most of our members were pugs only 1-2 weeks ago. We can definitely pull out numbers, but we’re by no means were we want to be yet. We do have some really good WvW here, but the biggest thing we’ve accomplished is getting all our members to actually listen and stay in that 5×5 blob, while simultaneously getting our pugs to do it by example.

And to be fair (I forget who said it) that 5×5 blob is pretty deadly . You can’t count our numbers very well, so aren’t sure if you should stay to fight or run. It also lets me micromanage how we choose to engage, rather than just a massive and really spread out push.

And I’ll have to tip my hat off to the GoM commander that successfully got your pugs to ball up between SM, Anz, and Spelden 2 nights ago. I didn’t think you’d be able to get them balled up .

Fair enough. I have no way of knowing if it was the organised or pug version we were defending against. There was someone commanding, that was clear.

It was just so strange to see those Golems coming towards a tower with no walls at all

Didn’t know you guys were only a month old. Your Necro fields are very very annoying btw

We have had to change the way we fight against IoJ just in case we meet you guys. I was hoping for a bigger Necro nerf in the patch, but no such luck.

Running about in golems to take camps, well… thats just nonsense.

We aren’t too bad a judging numbers. We may run but only till we get a better position to fight from, well, usually

Give us a shout if you find yourself with only 20 people and nothing to do.

/salute

A BIGGER necro nerf? I feel the need to hunt you down now.

Lol…. so much for trying not to kitten people off.

Must remeber…. Necros have feelings too…… deep deep down … inside… they are smiling.

/salute

Snow Ghost.6817:

bokkieskitten.8023:

Snow Ghost.6817:

AggieTechGuy.4901:

Snow Ghost.6817:

I totally get what you are saying about the use of siege. If you have got it, use it.

The issue I have is that with your numbers, and I mean the CORE/HARD group, you should and could be better than you are at certain aspects of WvW.

You won’t see VP complain about being outnumbered, thats the way we like it. We only run between 8-12 guys on a regular night and like to fight the big zergs as much as we can.

Frequently, we get stomped, as is the tricky nature of poking the big beast with a sharp stick, but occassionally we manage to pull it off and wipe the big groups, and that’s what it is all about for us, that and open field fights.

The other night we were in the IoJ SE tower doing our usual open tower defence stuff. I think you guys wiped 2-3 times trying to get in. Then the siege comes out.

Arrow carts everywhere around the outside, ballistas, and extra treb hitting us inside the tower. All fair enough and fully expected. Most of which we were able to get rid of and get back into the tower.

What we have NEVER seen before, and I mean none of us in VP, was the 2 Omega golems you built in hills and came at us with next. 2 Omegas to take a tower with 10 VP in it and no walls!

Hey…. it worked

I did not think there was a limit to what is “fair” as far as siege goes, but I think that may have been getting close to it. And I really never thought I would say that.

Anyway, we are having some good fights this week and I am enjoying going up against IoJ and GoM.

/salute

There is a big difference between an organized [HARD][CORE] group and a mostly pug zerg. I’m usually in most of those organized zergs, and don’t remember omega rushing a tower with the gate already down, haha. Although if you wiped my pug zerg 3 times while we try to get up those god-forsaken stairs, I would not be opposed to building a treb right in front of you. I’d rather waste supplies than lower IoJ morale.

It’s actually kind of funny though. With the price of omegas, it’s almost as if pugs prefer to roam with them rather than themselves. I’m sure IoJ has omega rushed people very stupidly at times. I’ve had the DR pugs omega rush pangloss, and GoM pugs (actually there was a comm in one) omega rush Danelon. What makes me giggle everytime is seeing a lone omega golem trying to take a camp, and then run away when our “Blob” descends upon it.

At any rate, know that CORE is a little over a month old, and most of our members were pugs only 1-2 weeks ago. We can definitely pull out numbers, but we’re by no means were we want to be yet. We do have some really good WvW here, but the biggest thing we’ve accomplished is getting all our members to actually listen and stay in that 5×5 blob, while simultaneously getting our pugs to do it by example.

And to be fair (I forget who said it) that 5×5 blob is pretty deadly . You can’t count our numbers very well, so aren’t sure if you should stay to fight or run. It also lets me micromanage how we choose to engage, rather than just a massive and really spread out push.

And I’ll have to tip my hat off to the GoM commander that successfully got your pugs to ball up between SM, Anz, and Spelden 2 nights ago. I didn’t think you’d be able to get them balled up .

Fair enough. I have no way of knowing if it was the organised or pug version we were defending against. There was someone commanding, that was clear.

It was just so strange to see those Golems coming towards a tower with no walls at all

Didn’t know you guys were only a month old. Your Necro fields are very very annoying btw

We have had to change the way we fight against IoJ just in case we meet you guys. I was hoping for a bigger Necro nerf in the patch, but no such luck.

Running about in golems to take camps, well… thats just nonsense.

We aren’t too bad a judging numbers. We may run but only till we get a better position to fight from, well, usually

Give us a shout if you find yourself with only 20 people and nothing to do.

/salute

A BIGGER necro nerf? I feel the need to hunt you down now.

Lol…. so much for trying not to kitten people off.

Must remeber…. Necros have feelings too…… deep deep down … inside… they are smiling.

/salute

Deep and dark passions…..

Snow Ghost.6817:

bokkieskitten.8023:

Snow Ghost.6817:

AggieTechGuy.4901:

Snow Ghost.6817:

I totally get what you are saying about the use of siege. If you have got it, use it.

The issue I have is that with your numbers, and I mean the CORE/HARD group, you should and could be better than you are at certain aspects of WvW.

You won’t see VP complain about being outnumbered, thats the way we like it. We only run between 8-12 guys on a regular night and like to fight the big zergs as much as we can.

Frequently, we get stomped, as is the tricky nature of poking the big beast with a sharp stick, but occassionally we manage to pull it off and wipe the big groups, and that’s what it is all about for us, that and open field fights.

The other night we were in the IoJ SE tower doing our usual open tower defence stuff. I think you guys wiped 2-3 times trying to get in. Then the siege comes out.

Arrow carts everywhere around the outside, ballistas, and extra treb hitting us inside the tower. All fair enough and fully expected. Most of which we were able to get rid of and get back into the tower.

What we have NEVER seen before, and I mean none of us in VP, was the 2 Omega golems you built in hills and came at us with next. 2 Omegas to take a tower with 10 VP in it and no walls!

Hey…. it worked

I did not think there was a limit to what is “fair” as far as siege goes, but I think that may have been getting close to it. And I really never thought I would say that.

Anyway, we are having some good fights this week and I am enjoying going up against IoJ and GoM.

/salute

There is a big difference between an organized [HARD][CORE] group and a mostly pug zerg. I’m usually in most of those organized zergs, and don’t remember omega rushing a tower with the gate already down, haha. Although if you wiped my pug zerg 3 times while we try to get up those god-forsaken stairs, I would not be opposed to building a treb right in front of you. I’d rather waste supplies than lower IoJ morale.

It’s actually kind of funny though. With the price of omegas, it’s almost as if pugs prefer to roam with them rather than themselves. I’m sure IoJ has omega rushed people very stupidly at times. I’ve had the DR pugs omega rush pangloss, and GoM pugs (actually there was a comm in one) omega rush Danelon. What makes me giggle everytime is seeing a lone omega golem trying to take a camp, and then run away when our “Blob” descends upon it.

At any rate, know that CORE is a little over a month old, and most of our members were pugs only 1-2 weeks ago. We can definitely pull out numbers, but we’re by no means were we want to be yet. We do have some really good WvW here, but the biggest thing we’ve accomplished is getting all our members to actually listen and stay in that 5×5 blob, while simultaneously getting our pugs to do it by example.

And to be fair (I forget who said it) that 5×5 blob is pretty deadly . You can’t count our numbers very well, so aren’t sure if you should stay to fight or run. It also lets me micromanage how we choose to engage, rather than just a massive and really spread out push.

And I’ll have to tip my hat off to the GoM commander that successfully got your pugs to ball up between SM, Anz, and Spelden 2 nights ago. I didn’t think you’d be able to get them balled up .

Fair enough. I have no way of knowing if it was the organised or pug version we were defending against. There was someone commanding, that was clear.

It was just so strange to see those Golems coming towards a tower with no walls at all

Didn’t know you guys were only a month old. Your Necro fields are very very annoying btw

We have had to change the way we fight against IoJ just in case we meet you guys. I was hoping for a bigger Necro nerf in the patch, but no such luck.

Running about in golems to take camps, well… thats just nonsense.

We aren’t too bad a judging numbers. We may run but only till we get a better position to fight from, well, usually

Give us a shout if you find yourself with only 20 people and nothing to do.

/salute

A BIGGER necro nerf? I feel the need to hunt you down now.

Lol…. so much for trying not to kitten people off.

Must remeber…. Necros have feelings too…… deep deep down … inside… they are smiling.

/salute

And every time a necro cries, there’s a mesmer smiling.

LOL @ the female guardian in Rise just now in EB. Come back. Sorry I could only kill your buddy and you bailed.

Stop /laughing, if you aren’t even gonna try to 1v1 me. Running is pretty lame.

LMAO is Rise like the single biggest zerg guild on that server or what? You all just run.

EDIT: Thanks to the little Asura thief from ART that didn’t run like a baby and actually stayed to fight. props.