Guild Wars 2

“Votf are constantly with us with they are not running their events and help us a lot with tips and ideas and personally would love them to lead us sometimes as they play a much smaller open fight tighter guild and are very skilled at it.”

Thank you for unintentionally praising the skill and knowledge of Seafarer’s rest players:)
Ask Aneu how many of his members are from SFR:)

R.I.P. Futilez, Nastrandir,uPT etc:))"

Im one of the members VoTF “stole” from SFR and I can tell you the SFR we left a couple of months back are not the same SFR that I used to love and fight for. Some of my best memories from GW2 is when SFR fought against Riverside and Baruch as underdogs and still somehow managed to pull through, something a french might call “Vizunah Spirit” :P. ALL efforts from every guild was counted, during reset meeting we were prompted to sign up to “the list” even if we only had around 5-10 active in our guilds. But the old “pirate” days of SFR are gone, the serverpride is gone, the heart is gone, the underdog feeling is gone. Its just another bandwagoner server just like I used to view Desolation in the beginning. The original SFR community treasured every bit of effort a PUG put in, the extra arrowcart that nobody would build, the ram that would get instantly nuked, the trebber who trebbed down walls only to see his keep overrun by zergy germans. None of this was left when we decided to transfer off SFR, and it seems none of it have returned. All I can see from my old server is elitist bullcrap and Ive never regretted one bit that I left.

All the good things I once saw in SFR community I now see in the Deso WvW community, altho I admit to sometimes being an elitist kitten when someone drops a regular ram instead of a superior I would never mock that person, I would never call out his name in /team, and I would never consider him a burden for our server, since I have no idea how much work that single person have put into dropping that regular ram. And that whats I love about our current Desolation server, every bit of effort is appreciated, every effort a so called PUG puts in is never frown down on but encouraged. People can say all they want about IRON and their “blob”, but serverpride is one thing in abundance here

aelska.4609:

Thanks to the mesmer from RG who was duelling me( near stonemist castle). It was not really playable ’cause lags but your fairplay makes me really happy ! Playing just for playing, I love it !

Thanks too! Were fun duels (: Was testing out a new build and you really helped me with that! The lag was kinda… ehgg.. annoying yeah.

Cheers to Desolation guild [VILE] for escorting an imp/elemental/cow across the battlefield in EB just now, that was awesome

Rhino.7863:

“Votf are constantly with us with they are not running their events and help us a lot with tips and ideas and personally would love them to lead us sometimes as they play a much smaller open fight tighter guild and are very skilled at it.”

Thank you for unintentionally praising the skill and knowledge of Seafarer’s rest players:)
Ask Aneu how many of his members are from SFR:)

R.I.P. Futilez, Nastrandir,uPT etc:))"

Im one of the members VoTF “stole” from SFR and I can tell you the SFR we left a couple of months back are not the same SFR that I used to love and fight for. Some of my best memories from GW2 is when SFR fought against Riverside and Baruch as underdogs and still somehow managed to pull through, something a french might call “Vizunah Spirit” :P. ALL efforts from every guild was counted, during reset meeting we were prompted to sign up to “the list” even if we only had around 5-10 active in our guilds. But the old “pirate” days of SFR are gone, the serverpride is gone, the heart is gone, the underdog feeling is gone. Its just another bandwagoner server just like I used to view Desolation in the beginning. The original SFR community treasured every bit of effort a PUG put in, the extra arrowcart that nobody would build, the ram that would get instantly nuked, the trebber who trebbed down walls only to see his keep overrun by zergy germans. None of this was left when we decided to transfer off SFR, and it seems none of it have returned. All I can see from my old server is elitist bullcrap and Ive never regretted one bit that I left.

All the good things I once saw in SFR community I now see in the Deso WvW community, altho I admit to sometimes being an elitist kitten when someone drops a regular ram instead of a superior I would never mock that person, I would never call out his name in /team, and I would never consider him a burden for our server, since I have no idea how much work that single person have put into dropping that regular ram. And that whats I love about our current Desolation server, every bit of effort is appreciated, every effort a so called PUG puts in is never frown down on but encouraged. People can say all they want about IRON and their “blob”, but serverpride is one thing in abundance here

So you havent been on SFR for 1month+ now but you know that " But the old “pirate” days of SFR are gone, the serverpride is gone, the heart is gone, the underdog feeling is gone". really? Who told you that? The people that left with VoTF to NA but when they heard you plan to go back to EU but on Deso server they quit the guild and transfered to SFR? How was exactly Deso chosen by VoTF? Was it: “Okay guys lets go EU to do GvG’s. Most of guild willing to do that and that can put up a fight are in SFR so we ened to be in same tier..lets see theres Vizunah Square and Desolation. Visunah is FR speaking…hmmm…lets flip a coin: heads is Desolation..tails is Desolation. Deso pride yo!” Then crit food buff nerfed and VoTF wont GvG until they discover " new builds".

Nobody on SFR is bashing Pugs that help..we dont take kindly to ones that come on map die once then proceed to AFK in spawn.

As for Desolation serverpride we all know it and heard it from the server’s own guild itself: " If its red is dead!". Funny thing thats only the beggining part of theyre motto.

The full version is this one:

" If is red is dead! (for as long as i am in the safety of my herd)"

Rhino.7863:

“Votf are constantly with us with they are not running their events and help us a lot with tips and ideas and personally would love them to lead us sometimes as they play a much smaller open fight tighter guild and are very skilled at it.”

Thank you for unintentionally praising the skill and knowledge of Seafarer’s rest players:)
Ask Aneu how many of his members are from SFR:)

R.I.P. Futilez, Nastrandir,uPT etc:))"

Im one of the members VoTF “stole” from SFR and I can tell you the SFR we left a couple of months back are not the same SFR that I used to love and fight for. Some of my best memories from GW2 is when SFR fought against Riverside and Baruch as underdogs and still somehow managed to pull through, something a french might call “Vizunah Spirit” :P. ALL efforts from every guild was counted, during reset meeting we were prompted to sign up to “the list” even if we only had around 5-10 active in our guilds. But the old “pirate” days of SFR are gone, the serverpride is gone, the heart is gone, the underdog feeling is gone. Its just another bandwagoner server just like I used to view Desolation in the beginning. The original SFR community treasured every bit of effort a PUG put in, the extra arrowcart that nobody would build, the ram that would get instantly nuked, the trebber who trebbed down walls only to see his keep overrun by zergy germans. None of this was left when we decided to transfer off SFR, and it seems none of it have returned. All I can see from my old server is elitist bullcrap and Ive never regretted one bit that I left.

All the good things I once saw in SFR community I now see in the Deso WvW community, altho I admit to sometimes being an elitist kitten when someone drops a regular ram instead of a superior I would never mock that person, I would never call out his name in /team, and I would never consider him a burden for our server, since I have no idea how much work that single person have put into dropping that regular ram. And that whats I love about our current Desolation server, every bit of effort is appreciated, every effort a so called PUG puts in is never frown down on but encouraged. People can say all they want about IRON and their “blob”, but serverpride is one thing in abundance here

So you like to win as underdog, pretty normal, i can understand that your best moments on SFR belong to the past.
Now, if i am not mistaken you left SFR before RG, ECL, BOON, siN, RNV joined for an American server (rank1 at that time!), Seafarer’s had lost PRX, SFR was in a down state and you left it, what kind of elitist bullkitten are you referring to? Server pride? Server pride is measured by your actions, not your words. Server pride is being able to enjoy the wins we been having so far in SFR and to be here when they are gone, ready to raise the server from the ashes when the time comes.

Now speaking about Desolation and community, you are lucky you got IRON doing a solid job embracing pugs, otherwise you would still be going down, have you EVER seen a Desolation PUG zerg? I have NEVER seen one, tell me more how solid your community is, when you need something done in any border you need 30+ from the same TAG.

Can´t take server pride lessons from som1 that bashes on his old server after hoping into a hoper Guild.

Just a friendly question, VoTF left SFR because they were tired of fighting Vizunah, if I recall. Is that correct?
If so, what made you come back to eu t1?

Pukknub.7368:

Just a friendly question, VoTF left SFR because they were tired of fighting Vizunah, if I recall. Is that correct?
If so, what made you come back to eu t1?

Hhmmmz, hard 1. They dont like viz and they are on deso.
Gues they like smashing sfr guilds?

Think they where aiming for 100 pages of trolling. 60% done!
Gratz all:) And happy reset.

Ps. This reset time is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.

Vizu on their strongest point would have crushed the SFR we have now. We doing really bad because the good guilds have to call off raids because of the 2hour+ queue times. The pugs are new, clueless and arrogant. They spam /m with informationless batter.

This free transfer did us bad, but we are working on our pugs. Soon they’ll know how we roll. (I hope)

I kinda feel ashamed to admit we are a nightcapping server now. That is how we got our points. Hope to fix that soon.

A shout out to all SFR players posting here: Keep it clean, post less and only to congratulate the enemy, don’t brag. If you can’t resist posting, just don’t read this thread. I want to keep the SFR name clean. Thanks

I’m on Deso, it’s my first full week doing wvw. Normally playing on deso BL on low lvl alts (can’t wait to get them to 80). It’s been really fun, I always said to myself when i did wvw for map completion it’d be fun if I could actually see anyone, and well it is!
I’ve noticed that during the week after I worked out wvw a bit more I started to give orders a lot. So sorry to any commanders if I stood on your toes!

Glad to see we got 2nd place this week! Good stuff!
Was also great seeing Offski land in BL to save Garri a few times, big thanks to you sir!

Oeps Rolls Necro.2594:

Pukknub.7368:

Just a friendly question, VoTF left SFR because they were tired of fighting Vizunah, if I recall. Is that correct?
If so, what made you come back to eu t1?

Hhmmmz, hard 1. They dont like viz and they are on deso.
Gues they like smashing sfr guilds?

Think they where aiming for 100 pages of trolling. 60% done!
Gratz all:) And happy reset.

Ps. This reset time is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.

Simple question was asked and you troll.

VoTF left SFR because they hated the huge VS zerg during that period that stayed in towers etc and would not fight. So they went to NA I guess to farm kills. When SoS collapsed they moved back to EU and my guess is they went to Deso to fight the many guilds we have on SFR and give them a challenge, something maybe they felt was lacking with VS not coming out and the third server not being strong enough. This all guess work btw so dont quote me on any of this.

Also, Deso bl @ reset…to funny.

Not as funny as SFR BL i bet. Oh well, there is nothing like night of lessons learned the hard way.
Well played siN, well played RG, looking forward to more clashes this week.

Bren.9320:

Not as funny as SFR BL i bet. Oh well, there is nothing like night of lessons learned the hard way.

No idea what your on about. But im guessing it has something to do with the guilds protecting our home map.

Oh god, you Coin and your sneaky attacks :o Thank goodness we were still inside hills when we noticed lord’s hp going down haha. Good job anyway, caught us completely off-guard.
@IRON: You didnt even give us a chance to breath tonight, so much action! Well done

Great communication and splitting between RNV-RG-Opt-siN, also great calls ^^
Looking forward to a nice week. See you on the battlefield!

Say what you like about Iron on this forum, most of you know nothing as you have never had the fortune to have seen or be led by their commanders. Big shout to them all.

I cannot speak for VoTF as a whole, only Anue can do that, but i can just simply repeat what another member, Rhino, said before, we love being here on Deso.

As for viz…let them eat cheese… as for sfr….keep on eating RG, its gonna give you Wind.

Rhino.7863:

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I’m one of the members VoTF “stole” from SFR’s Futilez (your words not mine), then I refused to go to NA and consequently never went to Deso. I call bs on what you are saying

The old “pirate” days of SFR are not gone, the server pride is not gone, the heart is not gone, the underdog feeling is not gone (seeing as we’re still Medium most of the time, at least compared to other servers). Reset meetings still have a lot of people despite the horrendous hour of the resets, our TS could have more people but it’s not doing bad either way, intra-server communication is still good among most people

SFR continues to not be just another bandwagon server, we have a community, we all laugh together, work together, lose together and win together. Saying we’re just a bandwagon server is an insult to the many people who work hard every day to prove otherwise

There are many guildless/small-guilded people who contribute immensely whenever they can, even if they are not praised for it. Some guilds like OSC and ZD are here since the beginning and continue to be awesome, others like VcY or RiOT came later but perfectly adjusted to our community and are now essential to that same community, even the more recent guilds like RG and sIN adjusted quite well and are already important here. Even the new people are being welcomed to WvW as long as they are willing, our academy and a lot of other guilds are recruiting and working on teaching them

The problem is that Anet dropped the ball with the “Oh crap server populations are really unbalanced let’s open free transfers to the #1 server in Europe #yolo” and now they are not quick enough with solving the problem. Naturally SFR got a huge influx of new people/guilds. Some, like others did in the past, will adjust to our community and in the near future will be a nice addition to our force, others just came to leech free buffs and exhibit their worthless “Conqueror of Jumping Puzzles” titles
Anet had the chance to even out WvW populations and failed. We just got hit by the debris, so ofc we are on the defensive, ofc some of us treat new people like annoyances, I don’t blame them, I can’t blame them, it’s a natural human reaction

Note: some however are PvEers/sPvPers that came to check out WvW because it has a progression system now (ooohh shiny -> assuming the WXP thingy is worthwhile). Most of them know how to play and are also a good addition to SFR’s community

SFR didn’t change after you left; stop acting like SFR went apekitten with VoTF’s departure, it didn’t. The same with NoE; it was sad to see them leave yes, but we moved on and will continue to do so. Our server will not collapse, we are not weak, neither is Deso who got back to T1 after those problems in the past

Yes, ofc we have changed a little, we have adapted, we are now Europe’s #1, but the essence remains, we are still WvW focused and love to party with fireworks, dolyak tonic and dead enemies beneath our feet

So please, stop talking bs about a server you don’t know anymore. However, thank you for making me glad that I left VoTF

tl;dr Less QQ moar Pew Pew stop yapping and discuss the matchup

Vincent.9621:

Oh god, you Coin and your sneaky attacks :o Thank goodness we were still inside hills when we noticed lord’s hp going down haha. Good job anyway, caught us completely off-guard.
@IRON: You didnt even give us a chance to breath tonight, so much action! Well done

Great communication and splitting between RNV-RG-Opt-siN, also great calls ^^
Looking forward to a nice week. See you on the battlefield!

Awesome job by sfr tonight on your border, gave us a good thrashing. Vincent I was too depressed to message you, hopefully we’ll get our own back as the week goes on.

Who said sfr were the No1 server in EU…. only SRF? By right that place goes to viz, thay have won more Top tier fights than any other server since the startof this game and they have never dropped into tier 2, i really hate to say this about the french but its got to be admitted, they are still No1. They hide in keeps etc..you mother was a hamster…but still going strong.

As for your love of sfr that cannot be denied by your post…..keep on eating RG, gives you Wind.

Chiolas.1326:

Rhino.7863:

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You make so many contradictions in your post that it is hard to know where to start. You say SFR is the “same old” server but then you go on to say it has changed. You say that SFR isnt a bandwagon server but then go on to berate ANet of the handling of the free transfers to medium pop servers (which turned SFR into a bandwagon server). You don’t need to have created a server intentionally for it to be a bandwagon server, thats why OSC and ECL are leaving (and why NOE left and why RIOT are now considering it I believe?)

SFR is not the same server we were a part of and we enjoyed our time on SFR, we also enjoyed our time on SoS when we were asked to go and assist in the EU timezone by two guilds who then went on to transfer the week we transferred to SoS so we stayed with the server until we weren’t getting good fights any-more. When we decided to come back we decided upon Deso for better fights since so many guilds had transferred to SFR.

As for not being in VoTF – I can assure you the feeling is very much mutual after you showed just how much respect you hold for a guild you were previously in. You know exactly what im talking about.

Rhino showed his opinion on why he wasnt enjoying SFR when we transferred off and it can be neither right or wrong since it was how he was feeling at the time and I must say most of us felt the same when we transferred.

Suffice to say we are enjoying Desolation, SFR isnt the same server it once was, people are dying and the world is still turning.

DESO IS DOING STRONK

I FEEL A LOT OF QQ COMING

WHY SO MACHO ?

Chiolas.1326:

The old “pirate” days of SFR are not gone, the server pride is not gone, the heart is not gone, the underdog feeling is not gone (seeing as we’re still Medium most of the time, at least compared to other servers).

Honestly what has medium server got to do with anything? You have the MOST organised WvW guilds in EU ladder. How long are your queues? they were 1 hour before the free transfers i believe, yes?
Desolation very often had no queues till the recent patch and if we had a queue at all it was 5 mins tops. You guys had Full WvW maps, we didnt. It has nothing to do with the size of the sever it has to do with the amount of people playing WvW so please stop this " we are the underdog cause we are a medium server bullkitten" You havent been underdogs for a very very long time, since before the fall of Blacktide. Sure you carried the “Medium” size server for quite some time, but your WvW numbers were not medium. Hiding behind saying you are a medium server implies you have less people than us and still win which is a load of kitten sandwich

Haha nice fight tonight Desolation in EB ,Best thing is fighting over vizunah keep who will keep it !!!!!

playandchill.3908:

DESO IS DOING STRONK

I FEEL A LOT OF QQ COMING

WHY SO MACHO ?

lol i know, im wating for SFR’s to start QQing in the forums but i dont see them nowhere. where did they all go? maybe they just decided to transfer back to their old server, piken square. Anyhow, Nice start deso i hope we can continue leading for the next 48 hours. GL HF all!

Anatolian Turk.4057:

playandchill.3908:

DESO IS DOING STRONK

I FEEL A LOT OF QQ COMING

WHY SO MACHO ?

lol i know, im wating for SFR’s to start QQing in the forums but i dont see them nowhere. where did they all go? maybe they just decided to transfer back to their old server, piken square. Anyhow, Nice start deso i hope we can continue leading for the next 48 hours. GL HF all!

Behold! The trashmouth has spoken again!

Aneu.1748:

Chiolas.1326:

Rhino.7863:

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You make so many contradictions in your post that it is hard to know where to start. You say SFR is the “same old” server but then you go on to say it has changed. You say that SFR isnt a bandwagon server but then go on to berate ANet of the handling of the free transfers to medium pop servers (which turned SFR into a bandwagon server). You don’t need to have created a server intentionally for it to be a bandwagon server, thats why OSC and ECL are leaving (and why NOE left and why RIOT are now considering it I believe?)

SFR is not the same server we were a part of and we enjoyed our time on SFR, we also enjoyed our time on SoS when we were asked to go and assist in the EU timezone by two guilds who then went on to transfer the week we transferred to SoS so we stayed with the server until we weren’t getting good fights any-more. When we decided to come back we decided upon Deso for better fights since so many guilds had transferred to SFR.

As for not being in VoTF – I can assure you the feeling is very much mutual after you showed just how much respect you hold for a guild you were previously in. You know exactly what im talking about.

Rhino showed his opinion on why he wasnt enjoying SFR when we transferred off and it can be neither right or wrong since it was how he was feeling at the time and I must say most of us felt the same when we transferred.

Suffice to say we are enjoying Desolation, SFR isnt the same server it once was, people are dying and the world is still turning.

please stop spreading bullkitten information about guilds leaving SFR.
also,when ThUn,VOTF and god knows what other guilds joined Deso after Blacktide broke up and later on,didn’t that make Deso a “bandwagon” server?
you’re all quick about labeling SFR but don’t seem to understand that all servers in T1 got pretty much the same amount of people join them in last few months.
if we got SOOO many new players on our server we wouldn’t still be a mid/high server,we would be full like VZ and DESO ,don’t you think?
but yea,i always forget,Deso is a PVE server…we can totally see this now and last week where you suddenly have tons of new people in WvW. must have magically spawned there.

Mortix.9725:

Aneu.1748:

Chiolas.1326:

Rhino.7863:

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You make so many contradictions in your post that it is hard to know where to start. You say SFR is the “same old” server but then you go on to say it has changed. You say that SFR isnt a bandwagon server but then go on to berate ANet of the handling of the free transfers to medium pop servers (which turned SFR into a bandwagon server). You don’t need to have created a server intentionally for it to be a bandwagon server, thats why OSC and ECL are leaving (and why NOE left and why RIOT are now considering it I believe?)

SFR is not the same server we were a part of and we enjoyed our time on SFR, we also enjoyed our time on SoS when we were asked to go and assist in the EU timezone by two guilds who then went on to transfer the week we transferred to SoS so we stayed with the server until we weren’t getting good fights any-more. When we decided to come back we decided upon Deso for better fights since so many guilds had transferred to SFR.

As for not being in VoTF – I can assure you the feeling is very much mutual after you showed just how much respect you hold for a guild you were previously in. You know exactly what im talking about.

Rhino showed his opinion on why he wasnt enjoying SFR when we transferred off and it can be neither right or wrong since it was how he was feeling at the time and I must say most of us felt the same when we transferred.

Suffice to say we are enjoying Desolation, SFR isnt the same server it once was, people are dying and the world is still turning.

please stop spreading bullkitten information about guilds leaving SFR.
also,when ThUn,VOTF and god knows what other guilds joined Deso after Blacktide broke up and later on,didn’t that make Deso a “bandwagon” server?
you’re all quick about labeling SFR but don’t seem to understand that all servers in T1 got pretty much the same amount of people join them in last few months.
if we got SOOO many new players on our server we wouldn’t still be a mid/high server,we would be full like VZ and DESO ,don’t you think?
but yea,i always forget,Deso is a PVE server…we can totally see this now and last week where you suddenly have tons of new people in WvW. must have magically spawned there.

Lol course its a PvE server it always has been, and your WvW server, who cares thats the way it is.

Omg, so many clueless people posting in this thread.
So many people pretending they know VoTF.
So many people pretending to know the history of SFR and its up’s and down’s.

Do everyone a favor, don’t post.
Starting by you Burebista, err Cipaku, I was wondering where all that hate came from.

And can you prove that or did you just pull these facts out of your … behind?

Wolfheart.1938:

And can you prove that or did you just pull these facts out of your … behind?

Same place your server gets there facts from

murtas.2417:

Omg, so many clueless people posting in this thread.
So many people pretending they know VoTF.
So many people pretending to know the history of SFR and its up’s and down’s.

Do everyone a favor, don’t post.
Starting by you Burebista, err Cipaku, I was wondering where all that hate came from.

Most of the hates from your guild

Dyno.9467:

Wolfheart.1938:

And can you prove that or did you just pull these facts out of your … behind?

Same place your server gets there facts from

well we aren’t making facts up about our server being mid/high. it’s anet’s metrics.
Deso being a “pve” server is just a made up fact.

Deso showing its weakness is always morning, outmannned every border.

Mortix.9725:

Dyno.9467:

Wolfheart.1938:

And can you prove that or did you just pull these facts out of your … behind?

Same place your server gets there facts from

well we aren’t making facts up about our server being mid/high. it’s anet’s metrics.
Deso being a “pve” server is just a made up fact.

Lol, Unbelievable, I didnt say you wernt a Mid/high server.

so what other facts are we stating here about SFR that are false?

Mortix.9725:

so what other facts are we stating here about SFR that are false?

What you on about? I says your server is a WvW server, thats why you can win with a med/high population.

And thats why 9/10 were outmanned every morning, cause we havnt got the WvW players on at that time.

fact 1 – When VS were rank 1 all this thread was full of bashes against VS.
fact 2 – Now that SFR showed himself uncontested rank1 the bashes against SFR come.

So predictable.

You jelly brah!?

I am jelly that you guys can buy p/t/v gear in temples much easier than me :<

REAL.7483:

fact 1 – When VS were rank 1 all this thread was full of bashes against VS.
fact 2 – Now that SFR showed himself uncontested rank1 the bashes against SFR come.

So predictable.

You jelly brah!?

I am jelly that you guys can buy p/t/v gear in temples much easier than me :<

lol, Ive seen it all now, have a nice week, and keep telling yourselves what a nice, polite server you are, change your name to UNREAL.

murtas.2417:

Omg, so many clueless people posting in this thread.
So many people pretending they know VoTF.
So many people pretending to know the history of SFR and its up’s and down’s.

Do everyone a favor, don’t post.
Starting by you Burebista, err Cipaku, I was wondering where all that hate came from.

Oh and you know more about SFR than me i supose dear Murtas? or you decided that SFR died when you decided to move? Still shocked when i found out you bailed. No troll. perhaps you should go on pevepe.net on our match-up history and read some of your own posts there might refresh your memory and your love for SFR. My only hope is that you dont start arguing with your past self:)

Mortix.9725:

also,when ThUn,VOTF and god knows what other guilds joined Deso after Blacktide broke up and later on,didn’t that make Deso a “bandwagon” server?

The WvW guilds I know of that moved from BT to Deso were ThUn, DkR and CIR. You do realize all three of those guilds that were a big thing on BT had most of their players quit around the same time as the good Xaoc quit. As of last week I think CIR, which used to be smallest of the three, had the most active players (5).

So sure the remains of these guilds bandwagoned to Deso. I don’t think any of us will disagree with that. But lower tier WvW just simply isn’t the same as t1 that the former Blacktiders were used to.

Then why Deso? I can’t speak for all but imo Deso is a more challenging server to play on due to the amount of WvW guilds here than SFR. Blacktide domination got boring fast, so challenging Deso was more fun option

But if we’re comparing the amount of bandwagoners I think SFR won that war long ago

SFR has won the real war too, check out the latest matchups, there is nothing to be ashamed off.

Bren.9320:

Not as funny as SFR BL i bet. Oh well, there is nothing like night of lessons learned the hard way.
Well played siN, well played RG, looking forward to more clashes this week.

Was some good action. I was wondering, did IRON experience a lot of lag/skill delay during the fights yesterday?

REAL.7483:

SFR has won the real war too, check out the latest matchups, there is nothing to be ashamed off.

No one is saying you aren’t dominating the matchups. But SFR trying to claim bandwagoners had nothing to do with it is just hilarious. Hell, even Blacktide was dominating mainly due to the prime-time bandwagoners.

The simple fact is that this game at it’s current state is all about guilds hopping servers (bandwagoning). It’d be very interesting to see how the tiers would be had there never been server transfers.

Slyche.3786:

Bren.9320:

Not as funny as SFR BL i bet. Oh well, there is nothing like night of lessons learned the hard way.
Well played siN, well played RG, looking forward to more clashes this week.

Was some good action. I was wondering, did IRON experience a lot of lag/skill delay during the fights yesterday?

when were inside hills, putting up catas at the south supply depot and sin and rg sandwiched us on the south bridge, we had mad lag yes. couldn’t even pop stability and when trying to dodge through your initial onslaught I kept rubberbanding back lol. was awful :P

though it was very frustrating for us that rg, sin, rnv and opt all were on your border, making life hard for us, I have to commend you all for your excellent response times and organization. People can say what they want about sfr, but you show time and time again why you’re the #1 EU server right now.

about the amount of people playing wvw on each server. I dunno how long your queues are on sfr, but on deso we only have queues during primetime and it’s mostly 5-10 min. if it ever gets to 20 min we get mad rage on TS. And it’s mostly just one BL and EB so you can almost always get into wvw and play while you wait for the queue to pop for the other BL.
Yes Desolation is shown as full on the server list. we almost always have an overflow in lions arch. Overflow in frostgorge half the day. 4-5 pve commanders running around in orr with zergs doing events.
people saying that it’s a made up statement that desolation is mostly pve don’t really know what they’re talking about.
yes atm we have a bit more people in wvw than we usually do. this is because when we’re doing good in wvw, the people that almost never play wvw gets in. when we’re doing worse, we’re pretty much outmanned everywhere, all the time.

We desperately need an influx of off peak hour guilds. As you must have seen by now, we’re outmanned pretty much the entire span of the normal work day when people are at work/in school and you can pvd most everything we’ve got. It sucks, but we’ve grown used to it.

Rm/deso have new strategy to fight Vs ^^

using bug/pvedoor to chain tag tp on cbe with invisible ranger pet :/
( i can’t fraps invisible thing but i fraps the door be hit by ranger attack and can’t report this, gl for exploit :/ )

people are lying, deso is never outmanned, we just make stuff up

for example, we had 3 waypoints in desolation today morning, 2 keep were lost and we barely managed to hold on to garrison.

u think we are always full and prefer to dance around our spawn the whole day?

get real, deso is a pve server with hardly any wvw, so accepting or not will not change the facts.

if deso isn’t outmanned, then why is is that u never see a single camp in VS bl, cos we do not have enough people to even take a camp on the 3rd BL outside of prime time hours.

Nah i did not read all walls of text, but since Futilez quit, SFR is death:P With the coming and going of all bandwagons, its just not the same nomore.

The first 3 months on SFR it was “faking huge m8”….thoose were the days hehehe.

kk, i will stop with the nostalgia.

Regards, recently from Piken:P

akunadin.5017:

since Futilez quit, SFR is death:P

Uh no.

When the four guilds left Piken Square for SFR BOON,RG,sIN,ECL my guild Afterlife [AFTL] that had close ties with Boon Control went Desolation instead, we decided the challenge of fighting our former allies was more beneficial to our interests than tagging along for the ride.

And boy do we enjoy poking fun at each other when we meet on the battlefield
In my personal opinion i would not see our arrival on Deso as a bandwagon move we can field a max of 15 and averaging less despite our enemy outnumbering us 3/1 very often our notoriety on Deso is one of determination and some what suicide, flipping camps, attacking keeps, charging into RG , BOON and anything else red for that matter we wouldn’t have it any other way it’s our style, even the small people can have an impact.

Cipaku.9675:

murtas.2417:

Omg, so many clueless people posting in this thread.
So many people pretending they know VoTF.
So many people pretending to know the history of SFR and its up’s and down’s.

Do everyone a favor, don’t post.
Starting by you Burebista, err Cipaku, I was wondering where all that hate came from.

Oh and you know more about SFR than me i supose dear Murtas? or you decided that SFR died when you decided to move? Still shocked when i found out you bailed. No troll. perhaps you should go on pevepe.net on our match-up history and read some of your own posts there might refresh your memory and your love for SFR. My only hope is that you dont start arguing with your past self:)

“So you havent been on SFR for 1month+ now but you know that " But the old “pirate” days of SFR are gone"

The old pirate days were already gone when we left in January, if you know how to count its not 1month, it was already a kitten of bandwagoning cause we were winning T1 with PRX and our Russians Overlords, the queue’s were insane and the quality of play insanely bad.
But how would you know it?, you weren’t even playing back then… for how long?

“R.I.P. Futilez, Nastrandir,uPT etc:))

Fair warning to IRON they may seem like they wanna train you but theyre actually on the look for good players to poach:) "

Again you talk out of your kitten I can’t let this pass aswell, you should be ashamed to accuse such a proven guild along the years by saying that, you would aswell know that its the refered guilds that approached VoTF and not the other way around, it was in my case and i’m 100% sure the others aswell, VoTF leadership accepted or not the proposals that are made in terms of small “merges”.
My only explanation by all that hate is you being left out cause you weren’t playing at all at the time?

“The people that left with VoTF to NA but when they heard you plan to go back to EU but on Deso server they quit the guild and transfered to SFR? "

1 people left VoTF when they found out we decided to return to EU and would fight against SFR, it was General Kreator, which wasn’t even active back then.

“Then crit food buff nerfed and VoTF wont GvG until they discover new builds.”

VoTF never turned down a GvG invitation, so again you are talking crap without knowing.
VoTF have aswell adapted to the food nerf in matter of days once the patch was live, it was also one of the fastest guilds doing so with good results. Again more crap.

And then you are surprised I ask you to stop posting, you know your post, are all but false, and then you pick me for bailing on SFR when I didn’t do so.

I for sure loved the people that made the bulk of SFR history, i’m proud of the little I achieved and i’m proud of the people I fought with, I cherish those memories, but I don’t care about a server name, what made the server was the people and most of them are not there anymore, some new one’s came (it was that way since launch) and kept the SFR rolling forward and I respect them.

“Oh and you know more about SFR than me i supose dear Murtas?”

Up until that point, sure I did.

You sir, did turn a great forum warrior. :clap: :clap:
I’m out.

REAL.7483:

fact 1 – When VS were rank 1 all this thread was full of bashes against VS.
fact 2 – Now that SFR showed himself uncontested rank1 the bashes against SFR come.

So predictable.

You jelly brah!?

I am jelly that you guys can buy p/t/v gear in temples much easier than me :<

Learn to guest sweetheart. X