Guild Wars 2

Shrilly.7184:

Midnight Gypsy.9360:

Shrilly.7184:

Midnight Gypsy.9360:

schizandra.4587:

Midnight Gypsy.9360:

They start talking about Largos at about 23:00. They all agree that Largos will be playable, and they claim that Anet stated Mursaat will make a return in GW2.

http://www.guildwarsinsider.com/all-roads-lead-to-orr-12-largos/

Thanks for that link! I only listened to the Largos portion, they had some interesting observations and speculations. I’m happy to hear too that Mursaat still have a further role to play in the story!

Ur welcome, I didn’t play GW1 but I would love to see the Mursaat they sound awesome. I can’t wait to see what what the Largos bring. I do hope they look more like the concept art when they’re done with them.

The mursaat were god like and even had Saul D’Alessio to carry out the religion.. I dont think they will EVER be a playable race on top of them being..bad?

No one said anything about the Mursaat being playable, just returning to the game. The Largos are being into’d to us as a new race, Anet still has to really flush out their story and update the place holders before they add them as a new race. I do hope they will look more like the concept art as i said before. (I was not saying that about the Mursaat)

Gotcha I still choose the Tengu over the Largos but like i said i couldnt care less haha just wanted to throw in my statement about why i didn’t think the Largos would be the best choice.

It’s cool, most people also agree that Tengu will be playable aslo, most likely first. Altho I would pick the Largos over them

Has anyone seen this? Someone on Reddit partially clipped through a female Largos and was able to capture an image of her face from the inside-out.

http://i.imgur.com/vwCrObL.jpg

It looks a little too humanoid. Maybe the designers just stuck a human face on her for now because the Largos faces aren’t meant to be seen yet? Or maybe it’s just too difficult to tell what she really looks like because we’re looking at her from the inside.

And here’s the whole thread: http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/182pc8/what_the_largos_look_like_under_their_masks/

schizandra.4587:

Has anyone seen this? Someone on Reddit partially clipped through a female Largos and was able to capture an image of her face from the inside-out.

http://i.imgur.com/vwCrObL.jpg

It looks a little too humanoid. Maybe the designers just stuck a human face on her for now because the Largos faces aren’t meant to be seen yet? Or maybe it’s just too difficult to tell what she really looks like because we’re looking at her from the inside.

That’s anyone’s guess to what they will end up looking like. There may be human-more ray like faces to choose from. I would not put too much into that pic it’s far from finished.

Yeah, I’d personally be inclined to think that’s simply a placeholder face. They had to put something under the mask and it would have been weird to just have a blank sphere for a face.

I think the Largos are awesome, but if that is what their faces are truly like…. Well I won’t be playing one.

What Ally is she talking about with “her ally”

http://www.mmorpg.com/photo/c4ad6ed9-54d3-4392-bb8d-82e2146b148b

“Tethys was a Titan sea goddess” " could the “Concordat of the Tethyos Houses” have something lore wise to do with a Titan?

Midnight Gypsy.9360:

What Ally is she talking about with “her ally”

http://www.mmorpg.com/photo/c4ad6ed9-54d3-4392-bb8d-82e2146b148b

I don’t know who that is that she’s talking to. Is that just player character? If so, she’s probably referring to Trahearne.

We must all keep our eyes peeled for new Largos sightings in the new patch! I know he’s not new, but I just took some screens of the Unseen Hunter. I’ll post them later. I got some shots of his back; his wings look different from what I expected. But in a good way.

Here are my Unseen Hunter screens. Yes, I stood by and let the wardens die, but at that moment it was more important to me to get some good shots. It was the first Largos I saw in game, and all I have to say is. MUST. PLAY. NOW! My favorite images are the first and last ones. I didn’t realize how reflective the Largos wings were, as seen in the first screen. And the last screen shows the patterns on the backs of the wings very nicely. I can see a lot of potential for customization here!

Sorry about the smudges. The file paths included my full name.

Great pics I took some too just a few minutes ago when i went to go see it for my self, but there were 4 others that joined in (He lost). Maybe they’re adding little by little? working on them on the side for when they’re ready to expand on it.

Midnight Gypsy.9360:

“Tethys was a Titan sea goddess” " could the “Concordat of the Tethyos Houses” have something lore wise to do with a Titan?

No. Titans have absolutely nothing to do with anything in the lore, other than the Flameseeker Prophecies, and the Realm of Torment.

wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/titan

Look at the pic on this page, you can see the back of the wings are the same this was in Aug.

http://www.guildwars2-online.com/foro/topic/5255-una-raza-nueva-y-misteriosa-de-guild-wars-2-los-largos/

Midnight Gypsy.9360:

Look at the pic on this page, you can see the back of the wings are the same this was in Aug.

http://www.guildwars2-online.com/foro/topic/5255-una-raza-nueva-y-misteriosa-de-guild-wars-2-los-largos/

They have the tail-thing, too. I can’t decide if they actually have a tail or if that’s part of their armor. On the last Largos picture the OP posted on that thread… do you see the blue stripes on his bare right arm (left arm, from our perspective)? It looks like a tattoo. I hope so! Tattoos would make the Largos even more awesome!

Looking back on some other images of the Largos males, it seems that they all have those blue stripes on their arms. And they glow too, like their wings! In some pictures the stripes look 3 dimensional. They almost look like gills, but that would mean they need breathers on their arms instead of their faces (that is of course assuming that their mask IS a breather.

Midnight Gypsy.9360:

Nels the Cornwhisperer.8025:

Centaurs have been shown as major characters since Prophecies, playable since Nightfall. The entire Sylvari race was created by a centaur. They didn’t like humans too much in Prophecies, but neither did Charr or Tengu.

Veldrunner and Maguuma Centaurs are perfect candidates for playable races to be added when either Elona or the Maguuma Jungle are added respectively. As for conflict with the current Modniir lead Centaurs that are enemies, it would make just as much sense as the huge number of Human, Norn, Charr, Asura, and Sylvari I kill every day as it is.

The playable races, including heroes and henchmen in GW1 were, in chronological order:
Human, Tengu, Wallow, Centaur, Dwarf, Asura, Char, Norn.

Wallows are animals. Dwarves have been purposely avoided. Human, Dwarf, Asura, and Norn exist. Tengu and Centaur are next.

I would like to see a centaur try to swim, it would be good for a laugh, But no I don’t believe centaurs will be playable. How would they swim? how would armor fit on them. I can’t see a centaur do any of those. They don’t even have armor on the feet, legs or back side meaning Anet has not taken the time to do any of that. They are very unlikely to be playable.

Oh, but they do have armor already made up for them.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Zhed_Shadowhoof/Armor_gallery
As for swimming, basically they would be running underwater.

However it would take a large rewrite to make all the armor fit them and I can see the Devs not wanting to take the time to do it.

Astral Projections.7320:

Midnight Gypsy.9360:

Nels the Cornwhisperer.8025:

Centaurs have been shown as major characters since Prophecies, playable since Nightfall. The entire Sylvari race was created by a centaur. They didn’t like humans too much in Prophecies, but neither did Charr or Tengu.

Veldrunner and Maguuma Centaurs are perfect candidates for playable races to be added when either Elona or the Maguuma Jungle are added respectively. As for conflict with the current Modniir lead Centaurs that are enemies, it would make just as much sense as the huge number of Human, Norn, Charr, Asura, and Sylvari I kill every day as it is.

The playable races, including heroes and henchmen in GW1 were, in chronological order:
Human, Tengu, Wallow, Centaur, Dwarf, Asura, Char, Norn.

Wallows are animals. Dwarves have been purposely avoided. Human, Dwarf, Asura, and Norn exist. Tengu and Centaur are next.

I would like to see a centaur try to swim, it would be good for a laugh, But no I don’t believe centaurs will be playable. How would they swim? how would armor fit on them. I can’t see a centaur do any of those. They don’t even have armor on the feet, legs or back side meaning Anet has not taken the time to do any of that. They are very unlikely to be playable.

Oh, but they do have armor already made up for them.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Zhed_Shadowhoof/Armor_gallery
As for swimming, basically they would be running underwater.

However it would take a large rewrite to make all the armor fit them and I can see the Devs not wanting to take the time to do it.

And that’s why it would be good for a laugh. :P

considering the tengu border lions arch and dredge escaped slavery and are becoming smarter on how the world works.. largos isnt really a smart idea to go with as a playable race.

for that matter, what about dwarves? (yeah, yeah, dwarves every game, i get it)

TheBeetus.1470:

considering the tengu border lions arch and dredge escaped slavery and are becoming smarter on how the world works.. largos isnt really a smart idea to go with as a playable race.

for that matter, what about dwarves? (yeah, yeah, dwarves every game, i get it)

The top 3 are Tengu, Largos and Kodan, that wont change until we hear one way or another and I don’t think that will happen anytime soon. All of the top 3 have had reasons given that might make it likely that they could be playable, most people seem to accept those reason that have already been talked about. The Dwarves I haven’t heard a reason for or against.

schizandra.4587:

Astral Projections.7320:

Midnight Gypsy.9360:

Nels the Cornwhisperer.8025:

Centaurs have been shown as major characters since Prophecies, playable since Nightfall. The entire Sylvari race was created by a centaur. They didn’t like humans too much in Prophecies, but neither did Charr or Tengu.

Veldrunner and Maguuma Centaurs are perfect candidates for playable races to be added when either Elona or the Maguuma Jungle are added respectively. As for conflict with the current Modniir lead Centaurs that are enemies, it would make just as much sense as the huge number of Human, Norn, Charr, Asura, and Sylvari I kill every day as it is.

The playable races, including heroes and henchmen in GW1 were, in chronological order:
Human, Tengu, Wallow, Centaur, Dwarf, Asura, Char, Norn.

Wallows are animals. Dwarves have been purposely avoided. Human, Dwarf, Asura, and Norn exist. Tengu and Centaur are next.

I would like to see a centaur try to swim, it would be good for a laugh, But no I don’t believe centaurs will be playable. How would they swim? how would armor fit on them. I can’t see a centaur do any of those. They don’t even have armor on the feet, legs or back side meaning Anet has not taken the time to do any of that. They are very unlikely to be playable.

Oh, but they do have armor already made up for them.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Zhed_Shadowhoof/Armor_gallery
As for swimming, basically they would be running underwater.

However it would take a large rewrite to make all the armor fit them and I can see the Devs not wanting to take the time to do it.

And that’s why it would be good for a laugh. :P

As well as the thought of a Centaur trying to ride the broom mount.

Midnight Gypsy.9360:

schizandra.4587:

Astral Projections.7320:

Midnight Gypsy.9360:

Nels the Cornwhisperer.8025:

I would like to see a centaur try to swim, it would be good for a laugh, But no I don’t believe centaurs will be playable. How would they swim? how would armor fit on them. I can’t see a centaur do any of those. They don’t even have armor on the feet, legs or back side meaning Anet has not taken the time to do any of that. They are very unlikely to be playable.

Oh, but they do have armor already made up for them.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Zhed_Shadowhoof/Armor_gallery
As for swimming, basically they would be running underwater.

However it would take a large rewrite to make all the armor fit them and I can see the Devs not wanting to take the time to do it.

And that’s why it would be good for a laugh. :P

As well as the thought of a Centaur trying to ride the broom mount.

Well, I guess they could always ride side saddle.

i have a feling they will be but much latter

here’s a good thread to read about Largos.

http://www.guildwars2roleplayers.com/mobile/forum/viewthread/page/1/m/2737230/id/4777952-largos-facts-fanon

Gotta love the bickering in that thread. The OP was being more than reasonable. “People will make them into dark elves” is a ridiculus argument against making Largos playable. What business is it of anybody’s how people see their own characters? Is that going to ruin the experience of others who choose to see the Largos as unique? Only if they let it.

I’ll keep it simple..

I… wanna… play… with… Largos ….

Largos, Kodan, and Tengu!!

Story hooks for GW2’s future. Oh, yes he/she is a Largos playable race supporter.

http://psychopompblog.wordpress.com/2013/01/14/story-hooks-in-guild-wars-2/

I really really hope the Largos…. do NOT become a playable race, they would be much better as an NPC race with a nice underwater city.

Meh. We already have an NPC race with a nice underwater city. ANet made backpacks out of them and sell them in the gem store

Largos have the potential for so much more.

I think an underwater playable race is very likely (based on Anet’s goals) and the only race that could do that would be the Largos. But I would like to know why you think they would be better as an NPC race?

Largos need a redesign. Then we can possibly start considering things like a new race without Anet losing their credibility.
Sad thing is the concept art was ok, but that’s because it was a concept art, it just couldn’t fit in the game.

Tauril.8504:

Largos need a redesign. Then we can possibly start considering things like a new race without Anet losing their credibility.
Sad thing is the concept art was ok, but that’s because it was a concept art, it just couldn’t fit in the game.

Yes, I could not agree more that placeholders need to be worked on, but they’re being intro’d to us and Anet isn’t ready to do anything more with them, yet. It’s likely they were thought up to complement the underwater zones. The underwater zones were completed late in the development of the game, and depending on how late,(which would explain the little info we have on them so far) they would not have had much time to work on their models or story. So they put 9 in the game and made their models good enough for the time being, while focusing on what was needed for the game to be launched.

I can believe they will be a playable race at some point. I think their best chance is when we have to fight the DSD.

One other thing that needs to be taken into consideration : How do you make them play anything else than thief without killing the main (and almost only for now) feature of the race (i.e. perma-stealth) ? Racial skills won’t be enough that’s for sure.
That’s like wanting quaggan as a playable race without thinking about the fact that they should turn all hulky pretty much everytime they get in a fight.

Yes it would have to be a racial with a cool down. It has been thought of and talked about. Here I will re-link this so you can read about that stuff. I have not really seen anyone bring up anything that has not been already talked about.

“They are capable of becoming invisible as they hunt their prey or scout their area.” That’s wiki says about their stealth. That could be made into a skill and for lore there would not be a timer on it, but for game play there would have to be. You will find that with many races that the lore is a little bit different from game play of the same race.

A Norn in their lore can run around as a bear all day if they wanted to there’s no timer on it, for game play there has to be a timer.

http://www.guildwars2roleplayers.com/mobile/forum/viewthread/page/1/m/2737230/id/4777952-largos-facts-fanon

No way, they’re kittening butterflies with arms and legs 0.0

→ TENGU
→ HYLEK

Midnight Gypsy.9360:

Yes it would have to be a racial with a cool down. It has been thought of and talked about. Here I will re-link this so you can read about that stuff. I have not really seen anyone bring up anything that has not been already talked about.

“They are capable of becoming invisible as they hunt their prey or scout their area.” That’s wiki says about their stealth. That could be made into a skill and for lore there would not be a timer on it, but for game play there would have to be. You will find that with many races that the lore is a little bit different from game play of the same race.

A Norn in their lore can run around as a bear all day if they wanted to there’s no timer on it, for game play there has to be a timer.

http://www.guildwars2roleplayers.com/mobile/forum/viewthread/page/1/m/2737230/id/4777952-largos-facts-fanon

You need to learn the lore a little bit more, Norn can only assume the shape of the spirit they choose for a short period of time. This is their penance for turning their back on the Kodan ways and beliefs. The Kodan ( even though much of their lore is still a mystery), are effectively Norn in permanent state of Winter Bear form. Yes Kodan are not Norn, but the Norn once learned how to shapeshift and commune through the Kodan. So no a Norn can never stay in a spirit animal form ( Wolf, Raven, Bear, Snow Leopard ) Hench is why you never see any NPC in the game permanently in spirit animal form.

People also need to realize that the world do not trust Largos, hell most of the world don’t even realize they exist, Largos are aquatic creatures and there for can not be on land for long periods of time. That mask they wear keeps them from dying when they are on land. They are assassins, that is how the race is raised from childhood, they are un trusting of other races, this is explained if you just listen to what the Largos has to say in personal story line.

The only two viable races for later expansions will be the Kodan and the Tengu. We will see the Tengu when we go south east, and see the Kodan when we go into the far northern areas. Heylik are a sub race, although they can easily be playable I just don’t think we will see them any time soon. Skirtt are a hive culture meaning the more a skiritt is alone the dumber he gets, Also explained in the game if you listen to NPC. Quaggan wont happen either, they are a peaceful race that only fights when they are directly threaten and have no other option, Personal story line explains this also.

Kaimick.5109:

People also need to realize that the world do not trust Largos, hell most of the world don’t even realize they exist, Largos are aquatic creatures and there for can not be on land for long periods of time. That mask they wear keeps them from dying when they are on land. They are assassins, that is how the race is raised from childhood, they are un trusting of other races, this is explained if you just listen to what the Largos has to say in personal story line.

If allied races had to kill bubbles Largos would be forced to trust other races and would be in debt to them for killing it. If you know about Largos debt they hold it in high standing. Maybe they’re not very trusting at the moment, but when we meet most Largo they we are forced to ally. The other races are forced to ally to fight the dragons. The Asura when they came out of their caves were not trusted or did not trust others.

2 elder dragons hasn’t been introduced yet but we do know that one of them is a deep sea dragon.
Since the largos (and the quaggan) were driven away from the underwater depths by this unnamed elder dragon it would make most sense to make an expansion with the largos as a playable race and that dragon.
Also a huge underwater city would be neat :P

Midnight Gypsy.9360:

Kaimick.5109:

People also need to realize that the world do not trust Largos, hell most of the world don’t even realize they exist, Largos are aquatic creatures and there for can not be on land for long periods of time. That mask they wear keeps them from dying when they are on land. They are assassins, that is how the race is raised from childhood, they are un trusting of other races, this is explained if you just listen to what the Largos has to say in personal story line.

If allied races had to kill bubbles Largos would be forced to trust other races and would be in debt to them for killing it. If you know about Largos debt they hold it in high standing. Maybe they’re not very trusting at the moment, but when we meet most Largo they we are forced to ally. The other races are forced to ally to fight the dragons. The Asura when they came out of their caves were not trusted or did not trust others.

The largos are affected by Bubbles but no one knows how much, and just because they allied races kill bubbles doesn’t mean they are doing it for the largos. Look I am not saying they wont be a race or shouldn’t be, it is just that as a playable race how do you explain and put into mechanics the fact they need water. Even now in our Personal story line the Main NPC largos is never really out of the water for long, just long enough to say a few things and back in. Trust can always be earned, but making a playable race under forced means is a bad way to introduce them, and you would have to be able to force every Largos in that matter, as there may be some that when bubbles arises that are not affected by him. So what you have is mainly racial restrictions on the fact they are not land based creatures or a race of people, and it wouldn’t make much sense as the lore of them stands right now to magically turn around and say well since you can play them you can walk on land all you want and never worry about why the others can’t for an excessive amount of time.

At that point in time as per lore and what they have set up thus far you can make the Krait a playable race as people trust the Krait as much as they trust the Largos. When the bubbles expansion is release I have no doubt that we will see more of the largos, just not really sure if they would make a good race to play as per their restrictions

Kaimick.5109:

You need to learn the lore a little bit more, Norn can only assume the shape of the spirit they choose for a short period of time. This is their penance for turning their back on the Kodan ways and beliefs. The Kodan ( even though much of their lore is still a mystery), are effectively Norn in permanent state of Winter Bear form. Yes Kodan are not Norn, but the Norn once learned how to shapeshift and commune through the Kodan. So no a Norn can never stay in a spirit animal form ( Wolf, Raven, Bear, Snow Leopard ) Hench is why you never see any NPC in the game permanently in spirit animal form.

People also need to realize that the world do not trust Largos, hell most of the world don’t even realize they exist, Largos are aquatic creatures and there for can not be on land for long periods of time. That mask they wear keeps them from dying when they are on land. They are assassins, that is how the race is raised from childhood, they are un trusting of other races, this is explained if you just listen to what the Largos has to say in personal story line.

The only two viable races for later expansions will be the Kodan and the Tengu. We will see the Tengu when we go south east, and see the Kodan when we go into the far northern areas. Heylik are a sub race, although they can easily be playable I just don’t think we will see them any time soon. Skirtt are a hive culture meaning the more a skiritt is alone the dumber he gets, Also explained in the game if you listen to NPC. Quaggan wont happen either, they are a peaceful race that only fights when they are directly threaten and have no other option, Personal story line explains this also.

Where are YOU getting your info? It’s right there in the wiki that there are 3 theories about the origins of the Norn, none of which have been confirmed – the one about the Kodan is the one the Kodan themselves made up. Therefore nothing in what you said argues against the Norn being able to transform for long periods of time according to thier own lore. Until you can provide another reliable source confirming that the Kodan story is the right one and Norn really CAN’T transform for long periods of time even in the lore… Gypsy’s point about game balance trumping lore is a valid one that will easily apply to the Largos as it does to the Norn.

Also, where did you get the idea that the Largos can’t spend a long time out of water? Not in the available lore – I’ve read that up and down and nowhere does it say that. And even if their culture keeps to themselves now, a dragon (Bubbles) can very easily change that, just like the Asura kept to themselves until the Great Destroyer forced them out among the other races. Like Gypsy said, there is no argument against the Largos that has not already been brought up and dealt with. You can choose to ignore the explanations and lore simply because you don’t want the Largos as a playable race; that’s fine. Doesn’t change the validity of the arguments in their favor, though.

Kaimick.5109:

Midnight Gypsy.9360:

Kaimick.5109:

People also need to realize that the world do not trust Largos, hell most of the world don’t even realize they exist, Largos are aquatic creatures and there for can not be on land for long periods of time. That mask they wear keeps them from dying when they are on land. They are assassins, that is how the race is raised from childhood, they are un trusting of other races, this is explained if you just listen to what the Largos has to say in personal story line.

If allied races had to kill bubbles Largos would be forced to trust other races and would be in debt to them for killing it. If you know about Largos debt they hold it in high standing. Maybe they’re not very trusting at the moment, but when we meet most Largo they we are forced to ally. The other races are forced to ally to fight the dragons. The Asura when they came out of their caves were not trusted or did not trust others.

The largos are affected by Bubbles but no one knows how much, and just because they allied races kill bubbles doesn’t mean they are doing it for the largos. Look I am not saying they wont be a race or shouldn’t be, it is just that as a playable race how do you explain and put into mechanics the fact they need water. Even now in our Personal story line the Main NPC largos is never really out of the water for long, just long enough to say a few things and back in. Trust can always be earned, but making a playable race under forced means is a bad way to introduce them, and you would have to be able to force every Largos in that matter, as there may be some that when bubbles arises that are not affected by him. So what you have is mainly racial restrictions on the fact they are not land based creatures or a race of people, and it wouldn’t make much sense as the lore of them stands right now to magically turn around and say well since you can play them you can walk on land all you want and never worry about why the others can’t for an excessive amount of time.

At that point in time as per lore and what they have set up thus far you can make the Krait a playable race as people trust the Krait as much as they trust the Largos. When the bubbles expansion is release I have no doubt that we will see more of the largos, just not really sure if they would make a good race to play as per their restrictions

I would think to be playable they would be like humans breathing underwater. I don’t see this point of the Largos being different. If they were able to be playable they would be able to be out of the water. Anet already did something to that effect for the playable races already.

schizandra.4587:

Kaimick.5109:

You need to learn the lore a little bit more, Norn can only assume the shape of the spirit they choose for a short period of time. This is their penance for turning their back on the Kodan ways and beliefs. The Kodan ( even though much of their lore is still a mystery), are effectively Norn in permanent state of Winter Bear form. Yes Kodan are not Norn, but the Norn once learned how to shapeshift and commune through the Kodan. So no a Norn can never stay in a spirit animal form ( Wolf, Raven, Bear, Snow Leopard ) Hench is why you never see any NPC in the game permanently in spirit animal form.

People also need to realize that the world do not trust Largos, hell most of the world don’t even realize they exist, Largos are aquatic creatures and there for can not be on land for long periods of time. That mask they wear keeps them from dying when they are on land. They are assassins, that is how the race is raised from childhood, they are un trusting of other races, this is explained if you just listen to what the Largos has to say in personal story line.

The only two viable races for later expansions will be the Kodan and the Tengu. We will see the Tengu when we go south east, and see the Kodan when we go into the far northern areas. Heylik are a sub race, although they can easily be playable I just don’t think we will see them any time soon. Skirtt are a hive culture meaning the more a skiritt is alone the dumber he gets, Also explained in the game if you listen to NPC. Quaggan wont happen either, they are a peaceful race that only fights when they are directly threaten and have no other option, Personal story line explains this also.

Where are YOU getting your info? It’s right there in the wiki that there are 3 theories about the origins of the Norn, none of which have been confirmed – the one about the Kodan is the one the Kodan themselves made up. Therefore nothing in what you said argues against the Norn being able to transform for long periods of time according to thier own lore. Until you can provide another reliable source confirming that the Kodan story is the right one and Norn really CAN’T transform for long periods of time even in the lore… Gypsy’s point about game balance trumping lore is a valid one that will easily apply to the Largos as it does to the Norn.

Also, where did you get the idea that the Largos can’t spend a long time out of water? Not in the available lore – I’ve read that up and down and nowhere does it say that. And even if their culture keeps to themselves now, a dragon (Bubbles) can very easily change that, just like the Asura kept to themselves until the Great Destroyer forced them out among the other races. Like Gypsy said, there is no argument against the Largos that has not already been brought up and dealt with. You can choose to ignore the explanations and lore simply because you don’t want the Largos as a playable race; that’s fine. Doesn’t change the validity of the arguments in their favor, though.

To the Norn part: Maybe you should read everything I stated, I stated that much of the lore behind the kodan is still a mystery. Guild Wars Eye of the North stated that Norn can only temporarily shapeshift. Also in all of the Speculated Lore of the norn, none of it comes to them being able to hold a shapeshifted form for long periods of time. They all prelude to minimal shapeshifting ability. I Stated the Kodan outlook as it was the only real solid reason why, be it speculation or not. Even in the game the Kodan NPC’s talk about Norn being

• their children
• Losing their way
• Forgetting their heritage

Is this grounds for canon… NO because Arena Net is good for not concreting anything till it needs to be.

As far as the Largos:

The NPC you take on your way through your Personal story line states a few times about how her Race is an aquatic race and can not be on land for long periods of time. Also if you read my last post you would have seen I have no objection to the largos being playable, I just don’t see how with the information they have put forth thus far it would work. Sorry your obviously in love with the largos as a race, and I get it, although there are things that just don’t work wit them. Who knows maybe when they release bubbles the Asurains will come up with a way to outfit the Largos so they can stay on land. Although putting forth a slew of text that is obviously put forth in an irritated and angry fashion doesn’t change what has been put forth in The Game and in the Guild Wars.

“and can not be on land for long periods of time” I’ve never heard them say this. If you can point to where i can see it show me.

Maybe the Asura will also come up with a way so humans can remain underwater with out dying.

Midnight Gypsy.9360:

“and can not be on land for long periods of time” I’ve never heard them say this. If you can point to where i can see it show me.

Yes she does, next time you play through your story for your character just listen. And maybe so the Asura will, doesn’t solve the largos problem. ;-)

Again I have no issues with the largos, I just don’t think it is a plausible feat with what they put forth right now, doesn’t men it can’t change. Then again I am not all up in the largos Kool aid either so I could care less either way.

that’s a big point to leave out of the wiki, I don’t see it. I think that is assumed. Who exactly said it?

Midnight Gypsy.9360:

that’s a big point to leave out of the wiki, I don’t see it. I think that is assumed. Who exactly said it?

I don’t know the NPC name but my guess it would be the ONLY NPC Largos you have contact with 0.o

Kaimick.5109:

To the Norn part: Maybe you should read everything I stated, I stated that much of the lore behind the kodan is still a mystery. Guild Wars Eye of the North stated that Norn can only temporarily shapeshift. Also in all of the Speculated Lore of the norn, none of it comes to them being able to hold a shapeshifted form for long periods of time. They all prelude to minimal shapeshifting ability. I Stated the Kodan outlook as it was the only real solid reason why, be it speculation or not. Even in the game the Kodan NPC’s talk about Norn being

• their children
• Losing their way
• Forgetting their heritage

Is this grounds for canon… NO because Arena Net is good for not concreting anything till it needs to be.

As far as the Largos:

The NPC you take on your way through your Personal story line states a few times about how her Race is an aquatic race and can not be on land for long periods of time. Also if you read my last post you would have seen I have no objection to the largos being playable, I just don’t see how with the information they have put forth thus far it would work. Sorry your obviously in love with the largos as a race, and I get it, although there are things that just don’t work wit them. Who knows maybe when they release bubbles the Asurains will come up with a way to outfit the Largos so they can stay on land. Although putting forth a slew of text that is obviously put forth in an irritated and angry fashion doesn’t change what has been put forth in The Game and in the Guild Wars.

My debate muscles start twitching when people put forth their speculations as fact. For example, you didn’t mention until after my reply that the Kodan story is the only one that makes sense (to you). You put it forth like it was the only story. Whether the Norn themselves are able to keep track of the origins of their own race is a debate for another day. Suffice to say they don’t agree with the Kodan about the issue and whose story makes the most sense is subjective opinion.

As far as Norn transformations are concerned; you changed your wording again in your reply to me. First you said they can only transform for short periods of time: now you’re saying their transformations are temporary. Temporary can mean anything from seconds to days; all it means is that the change isn’t permanent. Regardless of what was actually said in EotN, I doubt that anything suggested that the change would be as short as 30 seconds. That time limit was put in place for gameplay’s sake.

As for the Largos NPC you’re referring to, I think you mean Sayeh al’Rajihd. But I also have never seen that quote anywhere in her dialogue.

There are 9 in the game total, lol. Most of them are NPCs you have contact with. if you mean Sayeh, she doesn’t that at all. I’m asking you to show me where and you can’t. If you can’t even remember who said it, how can you remember what was said? I think you’re just assuming. Did everyone else miss her saying that? So wiki is missing it bc everyone else missed it and you are the only one that saw it?

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Sayeh_al%27Rajihd

Sayeh has other dialogue in quests:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Wet_Work
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Intercepting_the_Orb

There are probably more, but still I don’t see the quote. I skimmed somewhat quickly though.

I can understand how people assume they can’t stay on land for long bc they’re always near the water. Not sure about the one in Snowden Drifts he may have had to traveled on land for a while to get up that high in the mountains. So they clearly can get into all areas of Tyria by land or by water no problem.