Guild Wars 2

JustTrogdor.7892:

For those of us that are against open world duels the best method of debating that here is to no longer post in open world duel threads. Let the forum do the rest as it slides off the page.

haha. i like this.

“hey guys, none of our arguments are holding up. Let’s ignore this and maybe it will go away.”

The only reason this thread gets bumped is because people make new duel threads that get merged into this one. That is an unfortunate consequence of duels being a commonly requested feature.

If that’s what makes you feel better about yourself Scrambles then I concede you win. Open world duels for everyone!

/End thread

JustTrogdor.7892:

If that’s what makes you feel better about yourself Scrambles then I concede you win. Open world duels for everyone!

/End thread

hahaha yeah that would be cool. Maybe if i could convince a few people that open world duels were not the end of the world, then i would be happy.

Currently, it just seems like we have a bunch of people that just don’t like dueling, which is totally cool, but they keep trying to come up with reasons open world dueling is a bad suggestion since they don’t like it.

Scrambles.2604:

Maybe if i could convince a few people that open world duels were not the end of the world, then i would be happy.

Well have fun with that. It isn’t like it will have any impact on whether Anet will introduce open world dueling. They have already stated that some form of dueling was on the table at some point. I don’t think this thread is going to dictate how they implement it. Dueling debates are about the same as mount debates, pointless really. But hey, fight for your cause all you want if that is how you choose to spend your time here.

JustTrogdor.7892:

Scrambles.2604:

Maybe if i could convince a few people that open world duels were not the end of the world, then i would be happy.

Well have fun with that. It isn’t like it will have any impact on whether Anet will introduce open world dueling. They have already stated that some form of dueling was on the table at some point. I don’t think this thread is going to dictate how they implement it. Dueling debates are about the same as mount debates, pointless really. But hey, fight for your cause all you want if that is how you choose to spend your time here.

so i take it you’re not convinced?

Yes! Players being able to duel is a very great idea! Open world dueling seems ok i guess, but i still can’t think of a better place to implement Player vs. Player duels than in PVP where it already exists through custom arenas or spvp arenas where there are instances specifically advertised for dueling only. The best place though by far that i’ve encountered to duel is right here on the forums where players ‘duel’ other players over silly ideas and opinions as well as players ‘dueling’ the Anet team over bugs, terrible implementation of content, and an overall lack of response from or acknowledgement of persistant and cumbersome bugs and game mechanics. So now I welcome a duel to the death over the desire for silly/trivial new ‘extras’ vs. creating and polishing a solid game foundation above all else. Enguard!

if you wanna duel j+you can go to obsidian sanctum (wvw) there is a new arena where ppl duel..

Still alive. OPEN WORLD PVPPPPPP!

Sirendor.1394:

Still alive. CONSENSUAL OPEN WORLD PVPPPPPP!

There, fixed.

Most of scrambles arguments are actually fairly decent (this comes from a firmly anti-dueling person.)

The one addition I’d want – and it would be unacceptable to introduce dueling without it – instant perma-ban of the inevitable “duel be bro” kittens that (using every other game that has dueling as my evidence) crawl out of the woodwork, and spam the world.

If someone has auto-decline on, and you pester them anyway, you get a permanent invitation to the non-tyrian world. Simple as that.

Dueling is being asked for because griefers want to grief, I get it. What I want as a countermeasure is the first time someone takes is past the auto-decline, and harasses someone, they get an perma-ban, with no appeal.

If I won’t be able to keep it away from me (I’ve suggested about 10 different ways to have dueling implemented that wouldn’t ever impact people not dueling) then have it so the kiddies who will insist you must duel them get removed. Rather darwinian, that.

In a PvE world designed for cooperative play (whether you’re partied or not), any form of competitive PvP is best left to a PvP area, be it a permanent place in the Jubilee grounds, in the Mists or a separate arena designed and coded with that in mind. It makes the most sense too.

stale.9785:

Most of scrambles arguments are actually fairly decent (this comes from a firmly anti-dueling person.)

The one addition I’d want – and it would be unacceptable to introduce dueling without it – instant perma-ban of the inevitable “duel be bro” kittens that (using every other game that has dueling as my evidence) crawl out of the woodwork, and spam the world.

If someone has auto-decline on, and you pester them anyway, you get a permanent invitation to the non-tyrian world. Simple as that.

Dueling is being asked for because griefers want to grief, I get it. What I want as a countermeasure is the first time someone takes is past the auto-decline, and harasses someone, they get an perma-ban, with no appeal.

If I won’t be able to keep it away from me (I’ve suggested about 10 different ways to have dueling implemented that wouldn’t ever impact people not dueling) then have it so the kiddies who will insist you must duel them get removed. Rather darwinian, that.

Thanks for being reasonable, Stale.

I understand your concern, and i really hope that just blocking someone would be enough to stop harassment. I mean, what do you do when people harass you in the game now?

Some people may want duels to grief….i mean…i guess. You say people want to duel just to grief….but since you have to request you basically have to ask permission to grief. That just seems a little off to me. The whole point of griefing is that it is unavoidable. ‘You cannot avoid it, so it causes you grief.’

It’s hard to convey my sincerity over the webs, but i really have no desire to grief people. If i wanted to do that, i would auto walk around LA playing “the ants go marching one by one” on my flute all day. But it is not my prerogative to bother people.

Your perception of griefing via dueling is a little overblown and ignores existing tools and tools i’ve suggested (auto-decline, block/ignore to prevent messages, duel request cooldown). Since dueling requires consent from both parties, that is about the worst and hardest way to try to grief. You would have better success “griefing” someone by spamming them with party invites. As far as i know, blocking doesn’t stop party invites, but it will stop communication. I dunno, maybe the block/ignore feature needs some improvement, too.

Regardless, the griefers you are worried about are busy spamming rams in your keep in WvW. I don’t see any motivation to harass someone because they have auto-decline duels on and also have you blocked. I don’t think it would be possible for these two individuals (the duel abstainer and the harasser) to interact beyond emotes at this point.

It’s a perception thing, Scrambles. WoW became unplayable for me, because the constant messaging from people requesting do duel. I’m not talking occasional – I mean constant.

In GW2 terms, this would be endless whispers from raging children. The “Duel me Bruh” isn’t just sarcasm – it’s drawn from real interactions. The way it went in WoW:

Get a request – decline it. The person declined starts spamming “duel me bruh, you scared?” You block, and suddenly their entire clan starts camping your position, and spamming you, because “you’re scared, bro! duel us bro!”. To the point where I stopped playing.

If there weren’t firm consequences for this behaviour in GW2 (perma ban on the first iteration of the “duel be bro” kittentery) then I would 1) quickly discover the limits of the ignore list. 2) quit the game.

There have been multiple suggestions for giving the duelists:

-their own arenas in/near the major cities
-their own instance of a map upon activating a duel (so others don’t have to see it)
-a PvE geared area in the Mists (which is where all pvp belongs, IMO)
-a sign-up list, like the queued arenas.

and, of course, the most common – no dueling in PvE.

If we were to get it, the minimal acceptable measures, to me would be:

-duelists both become invisible to the rest of the map
-they can have absolutely no impact on event scaling or AI aggro
-auto-decline is on by default
-any iteration of “duel me” requests outside of the dueling request interface results in a ban
-it is disabled in major towns
-any request for 1v1 balancing results in a perma-ban of that account

I could live with it.

That said, I still think that most people requesting it would be better served buying mortal kombat.

stale.9785:

It’s a perception thing, Scrambles. WoW became unplayable for me, because the constant messaging from people requesting do duel. I’m not talking occasional – I mean constant.

In GW2 terms, this would be endless whispers from raging children. The “Duel me Bruh” isn’t just sarcasm – it’s drawn from real interactions. The way it went in WoW:

Get a request – decline it. The person declined starts spamming “duel me bruh, you scared?” You block, and suddenly their entire clan starts camping your position, and spamming you, because “you’re scared, bro! duel us bro!”. To the point where I stopped playing.

If there weren’t firm consequences for this behaviour in GW2 (perma ban on the first iteration of the “duel be bro” kittentery) then I would 1) quickly discover the limits of the ignore list. 2) quit the game.

There have been multiple suggestions for giving the duelists:

-their own arenas in/near the major cities
-their own instance of a map upon activating a duel (so others don’t have to see it)
-a PvE geared area in the Mists (which is where all pvp belongs, IMO)
-a sign-up list, like the queued arenas.

and, of course, the most common – no dueling in PvE.

If we were to get it, the minimal acceptable measures, to me would be:

-duelists both become invisible to the rest of the map
-they can have absolutely no impact on event scaling or AI aggro
-auto-decline is on by default
-any iteration of “duel me” requests outside of the dueling request interface results in a ban
-it is disabled in major towns
-any request for 1v1 balancing results in a perma-ban of that account

I could live with it.

That said, I still think that most people requesting it would be better served buying mortal kombat.

So, we can’t have open world duels forever because of that one time you got trolled by a guild in a different game. That’s reasonable…/sarcasm.

With or without duels, there is only one thing that prevents this type of behavior and that is the block and ignore features. If you don’t think the list is long enough that is a problem with the block feature.

Furthermore, i believe an auto-decline duel feature would go a long way to prevent traumatic experiences like the one you claimed to have.

again, you’ve taken a potential issue and blown it up to make it seem like it would be common place. You invented a group of people “the duel me bruh crowd” that exist only to harass you.

You started off reasonable but now you posts are starting to smell a lot like hyperbole. We’re still talking about GW2, the game where PUGs frequently complete runs without saying a word to each other. Dozens of players will zerg together without ever actually interacting with each other. I don’t have a single person on my block list. Maybe i’m posting in the wrong forum because it sounds like we’re talking about different games.

Here you go for those of you that want open world duels. You should be supporting this thread. You can go there and duel until your eyes explode.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/GuildWars-2-Needs-a-DarkTide-server/

JustTrogdor.7892:

Here you go for those of you that want open world duels. You should be supporting this thread. You can go there and duel until your eyes explode.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/GuildWars-2-Needs-a-DarkTide-server/

Trogdor, first you adovocate that the anti-duel crowd abstain from posting in this thread. Now you are attempting to provide a diversion for the those who would like open world duels. Hopefully, you will realize that open world duels is not the same thing as open pvp. They are two very different beasts.

Duels are consensual, open world pvp is not consensual. What you are offering is not only not even close to what this thread is suggesting, but you are also attempting to further to perception that everyone that wants duels apparently just wants to gank helpless victims, which is entirely not the case.

Just because you are in favor of open world duels does not make you a “duel me bruh” person. It doesn’t automatically place you in some hyper-competitive esport crowd. It doesn’t mean you like to bully, harass, or gank other players.

Duels are a great, simple way to spar with others, make friends in the open world, battle in epic locations throughout the world instead of the same tired pvp/WvW maps, test out builds that you cannot use in PvP in a more accessible way than fishing for 1v1s in WvW, pass time waiting for dungeons/champ spawns. Heck, i remember fondly the times when i would just challenge people to fist fight duels.

Scrambles.2604:

sorudo.9054:

you know what the difference is between dungeons, fartials, LS vs duels, you can ignore all of the former and get the last in your face constantly regardless.
if it’s in a dedicated arena without gear limits then sure, beat the crap out of each other.
if it’s in the open world then no, it keeps on being a bother for both ppl who simply don’t want to duel at the time and the players who can’t stand duels.

as i said before, i am just one of the masses who can’t stand duels and every single MMO we play will always be played in a PvE server (so duels are not even allowed).
i am just one of the masses who already gave alternative ideas to make everyone happy but that’s apparently not enough, it has to be pushed in our throat and we have no say in the matter.

Jeez, Sorudo, you sure are stubborn.

What MMO have you played where duels aren’t allowed?

I’m about 50/50 — i don’t believe you/genuinely curious.

SWToR, LOTRO, TERA, just name a few…..
and before you start yelling “but you can duel there”, that’s only in PvP servers, not PvE servers.

sorudo.9054:

Scrambles.2604:

sorudo.9054:

you know what the difference is between dungeons, fartials, LS vs duels, you can ignore all of the former and get the last in your face constantly regardless.
if it’s in a dedicated arena without gear limits then sure, beat the crap out of each other.
if it’s in the open world then no, it keeps on being a bother for both ppl who simply don’t want to duel at the time and the players who can’t stand duels.

as i said before, i am just one of the masses who can’t stand duels and every single MMO we play will always be played in a PvE server (so duels are not even allowed).
i am just one of the masses who already gave alternative ideas to make everyone happy but that’s apparently not enough, it has to be pushed in our throat and we have no say in the matter.

Jeez, Sorudo, you sure are stubborn.

What MMO have you played where duels aren’t allowed?

I’m about 50/50 — i don’t believe you/genuinely curious.

SWToR, LOTRO, TERA, just name a few…..
and before you start yelling “but you can duel there”, that’s only in PvP servers, not PvE servers.

SWTOR is the only one i’ve played out of those three and you could most definitely duel on a pve server. Maybe you just didn’t notice because in reality people don’t run around spamming duel requests.

stale.9785:

Most of scrambles arguments are actually fairly decent (this comes from a firmly anti-dueling person.)

The one addition I’d want – and it would be unacceptable to introduce dueling without it – instant perma-ban of the inevitable “duel be bro” kittens that (using every other game that has dueling as my evidence) crawl out of the woodwork, and spam the world.

If someone has auto-decline on, and you pester them anyway, you get a permanent invitation to the non-tyrian world. Simple as that.

Dueling is being asked for because griefers want to grief, I get it. What I want as a countermeasure is the first time someone takes is past the auto-decline, and harasses someone, they get an perma-ban, with no appeal.

If I won’t be able to keep it away from me (I’ve suggested about 10 different ways to have dueling implemented that wouldn’t ever impact people not dueling) then have it so the kiddies who will insist you must duel them get removed. Rather darwinian, that.

Most of the people advocating open-world duels are ‘fairly decent’(your opinions are gold of course) so you thought you’d counter that by being completely unreasonable? You completely discredit their intentions by claiming it’s all a conspiracy to make you miserable and not just that they think it would be fun. You support this with overwhelming evidence of hearsay/exaggerations about ‘every other game out there’. Other people shouldn’t be able to have fun on their own terms, of course, so it’s only fair that should any of their fun leak over into your experience, even if an accident, it’s absolutely practical that they be banned permanately. Of course, it won’t be an accident because there antagonizing ‘duel me’ taunts are sure to be commonplace everywhere you seek a good time in the world of Tyria. O.o I remember a couple of weeks ago, you saying you quit the game as you’d lost hope in A-net, yet here you are making accusations of people just being out to cause YOU grief while at the same time making suggestions of THEM getting perma-banned as penence for hypothetical harassment you’re sure to be plagued by (“anything less would be unacceptable”O.o) as if you’re somehow the center of the GW2 universe. I very much agree that griefers want to grief, and i get it. I also agree very much that those who are out to cause animocity and grief in the community should have a coach class ticket to the non-tyrian world, as surely it would be best for the ‘evolution’ of the game. You make a couple of VERY good points.

What a totally unnecessary and unwelcome idea. Put that feature in PvP or WvW land where it belongs. Most of the people arguing for it are exactly the reason why most of the rest of the community thinks the idea sucks. The “come at me bro” crowd doesn’t need a special system to be more strutting, obnoxious and annoying. And please don’t say it “has” to be in open world – if two players want to duel they can do it in PvP or WvW “arenas” and leave the rest of us out of their “little” measuring contest(s).

Arrow.4619:

What a totally unnecessary and unwelcome idea. Put that feature in PvP or WvW land where it belongs. Most of the people arguing for it are exactly the reason why most of the rest of the community thinks the idea sucks. The “come at me bro” crowd doesn’t need a special system to be more strutting, obnoxious and annoying. And please don’t say it “has” to be in open world – if two players want to duel they can do it in PvP or WvW “arenas” and leave the rest of us out of their “little” measuring contest(s).

You’ve probably never been in spvp, if you have you’d know how terrible our stats choices are, and can’t duel allies in wvw. “Most of the rest of the community” how do you know who’s the majority/minority? The “come at me bro” crowd barely exists in this game unless you’re on maguuma, and that’s also what the block option is for.

I would love to see PvE duels beetween players, with no restrictions other than, 80s gets down leveled to that current area as usual.

Like a friendly spar with two people testing their might against eacother, with no rewards included, this also goes for achievements, unless they are point free.

You can get the Zaishen off their behinds and put them to introduce new PVP modes in a Living Story update and get PvE players interseted in PvP for a while.

Arrow.4619:

What a totally unnecessary and unwelcome idea. Put that feature in PvP or WvW land where it belongs. Most of the people arguing for it are exactly the reason why most of the rest of the community thinks the idea sucks. The “come at me bro” crowd doesn’t need a special system to be more strutting, obnoxious and annoying. And please don’t say it “has” to be in open world – if two players want to duel they can do it in PvP or WvW “arenas” and leave the rest of us out of their “little” measuring contest(s).

i can’t comprehend why people are so quick to suggest putting duels in sPvP or WvW “where they belong.”

I bet your sPvP team is going to be real stoked that they keep losing because two guys on your team are back at spawn dueling eachother, while the other team has the whole map capped.

WvW is even worse because there are queues to get in. If i am taking a spot in WvW you better believe i am trying to do something productive for the server. I would hate to think i am sitting in queue for 30 mins to an hour because WvW is apparently the only place to duel your friends. If you’re taking up a limited spot in WvW, you should be helping the war effort. That is a terrible place to duel.

Why are you being so contentious? You obviously haven’t put a lot of thought into this with your haphazard suggestions. You are only thinking of the repercussions for yourself and no one else. And this is assuming there even are “repercussions,” because i still maintain that open world duels will not effect you if you choose not to duel.

and for what? To prevent “little measuring contests?” Why is everything about e-pens with you guys? Could you stop being so bitter for a moment and think some people enjoy friendly sparring matches, out in the mostly empty, unused open world, with no rigid rules or distinct goals?

I don’t know why everyone seems to automatically associate duels with malicious behaviors. Do you just assume everyone who enjoys sPvP are also evil bullys? Is everyone that does WvW a jerk as well? Are we so far gone into carebear mode that we view anything remotely competitive with disdain???

Lastly, are costume brawls not an existing model for duels in the open world? Where are all the threads about harassment stemming from costume brawls??

Scrambles.2604:

Arrow.4619:

What a totally unnecessary and unwelcome idea. Put that feature in PvP or WvW land where it belongs. Most of the people arguing for it are exactly the reason why most of the rest of the community thinks the idea sucks. The “come at me bro” crowd doesn’t need a special system to be more strutting, obnoxious and annoying. And please don’t say it “has” to be in open world – if two players want to duel they can do it in PvP or WvW “arenas” and leave the rest of us out of their “little” measuring contest(s).

i can’t comprehend why people are so quick to suggest putting duels in sPvP or WvW “where they belong.”

I bet your sPvP team is going to be real stoked that they keep losing because two guys on your team are back at spawn dueling eachother, while the other team has the whole map capped.

WvW is even worse because there are queues to get in. If i am taking a spot in WvW you better believe i am trying to do something productive for the server. I would hate to think i am sitting in queue for 30 mins to an hour because WvW is apparently the only place to duel your friends. If you’re taking up a limited spot in WvW, you should be helping the war effort. That is a terrible place to duel.

Why are you being so contentious? You obviously haven’t put a lot of thought into this with your haphazard suggestions. You are only thinking of the repercussions for yourself and no one else. And this is assuming there even are “repercussions,” because i still maintain that open world duels will not effect you if you choose not to duel.

and for what? To prevent “little measuring contests?” Why is everything about e-pens with you guys? Could you stop being so bitter for a moment and think some people enjoy friendly sparring matches, out in the mostly empty, unused open world, with no rigid rules or distinct goals?

I don’t know why everyone seems to automatically associate duels with malicious behaviors. Do you just assume everyone who enjoys sPvP are also evil bullys? Is everyone that does WvW a jerk as well? Are we so far gone into carebear mode that we view anything remotely competitive with disdain???

Lastly, are costume brawls not an existing model for duels in the open world? Where are all the threads about harassment stemming from costume brawls??

I can’t comprehend why you want duels in pve “where they belong”. Why are you being so contentious? You obviously haven’t put a lot of thought into this with your haphazard suggestions. You are only thinking of the benefits to yourself/a small group of people and no one else. This is assuming that there are more benefits than negatives because plenty of people maintain that open world duels will effect them even if they choose not to duel. Could you stop being so bitter and think about how it will effect other players. Stop painting your picture with only black and white when there are all of those lovely shades of grey. You have been given plenty of ways that duels could be implemented that even the anti-duel people couldn’t complain about but it isn’t good enough for you. “Every other mmo has them” is not a true or valid argument either. I want dueling, I really do but not at the expense of another players enjoyment.

bloodletting wolf.2837:

Scrambles.2604:

Arrow.4619:

What a totally unnecessary and unwelcome idea. Put that feature in PvP or WvW land where it belongs. Most of the people arguing for it are exactly the reason why most of the rest of the community thinks the idea sucks. The “come at me bro” crowd doesn’t need a special system to be more strutting, obnoxious and annoying. And please don’t say it “has” to be in open world – if two players want to duel they can do it in PvP or WvW “arenas” and leave the rest of us out of their “little” measuring contest(s).

i can’t comprehend why people are so quick to suggest putting duels in sPvP or WvW “where they belong.”

I bet your sPvP team is going to be real stoked that they keep losing because two guys on your team are back at spawn dueling eachother, while the other team has the whole map capped.

WvW is even worse because there are queues to get in. If i am taking a spot in WvW you better believe i am trying to do something productive for the server. I would hate to think i am sitting in queue for 30 mins to an hour because WvW is apparently the only place to duel your friends. If you’re taking up a limited spot in WvW, you should be helping the war effort. That is a terrible place to duel.

Why are you being so contentious? You obviously haven’t put a lot of thought into this with your haphazard suggestions. You are only thinking of the repercussions for yourself and no one else. And this is assuming there even are “repercussions,” because i still maintain that open world duels will not effect you if you choose not to duel.

and for what? To prevent “little measuring contests?” Why is everything about e-pens with you guys? Could you stop being so bitter for a moment and think some people enjoy friendly sparring matches, out in the mostly empty, unused open world, with no rigid rules or distinct goals?

I don’t know why everyone seems to automatically associate duels with malicious behaviors. Do you just assume everyone who enjoys sPvP are also evil bullys? Is everyone that does WvW a jerk as well? Are we so far gone into carebear mode that we view anything remotely competitive with disdain???

Lastly, are costume brawls not an existing model for duels in the open world? Where are all the threads about harassment stemming from costume brawls??

I can’t comprehend why you want duels in pve “where they belong”. Why are you being so contentious? You obviously haven’t put a lot of thought into this with your haphazard suggestions. You are only thinking of the benefits to yourself/a small group of people and no one else. This is assuming that there are more benefits than negatives because plenty of people maintain that open world duels will effect them even if they choose not to duel. Could you stop being so bitter and think about how it will effect other players. Stop painting your picture with only black and white when there are all of those lovely shades of grey. You have been given plenty of ways that duels could be implemented that even the anti-duel people couldn’t complain about but it isn’t good enough for you. “Every other mmo has them” is not a true or valid argument either. I want dueling, I really do but not at the expense of another players enjoyment.

C’mon man, don’t copy what i wrote like it proves some sort of point. This is the contentious attitude i’m talking about.

I have agreed with every harassment counter measure being put in place for open world duels with the exception of arenas. One, because arena duels is basically the opposite of open world duels. Having it in an arena totally defeats the purpose of fighting in the open world, and being able to fight without having to suffer through loading screens.

and Two: Because custom spvp arenas already exist in the game. If that was a suitable substitute you wouldn’t be having duel threads pop up all the time.

If you gave people the option to auto-decline duels, block and ignore messages from specific players, and set up a cooldown that prevented you from duel spamming, it would give you the tools to prevent any hypothetical instances where players harass another player for no apparent reason other than they didn’t want to duel.

Scrambles.2604:

Arrow.4619:

What a totally unnecessary and unwelcome idea. Put that feature in PvP or WvW land where it belongs. Most of the people arguing for it are exactly the reason why most of the rest of the community thinks the idea sucks. The “come at me bro” crowd doesn’t need a special system to be more strutting, obnoxious and annoying. And please don’t say it “has” to be in open world – if two players want to duel they can do it in PvP or WvW “arenas” and leave the rest of us out of their “little” measuring contest(s).

i can’t comprehend why people are so quick to suggest putting duels in sPvP or WvW “where they belong.”

I bet your sPvP team is going to be real stoked that they keep losing because two guys on your team are back at spawn dueling eachother, while the other team has the whole map capped.

WvW is even worse because there are queues to get in. If i am taking a spot in WvW you better believe i am trying to do something productive for the server. I would hate to think i am sitting in queue for 30 mins to an hour because WvW is apparently the only place to duel your friends. If you’re taking up a limited spot in WvW, you should be helping the war effort. That is a terrible place to duel.

Why are you being so contentious? You obviously haven’t put a lot of thought into this with your haphazard suggestions. You are only thinking of the repercussions for yourself and no one else. And this is assuming there even are “repercussions,” because i still maintain that open world duels will not effect you if you choose not to duel.

and for what? To prevent “little measuring contests?” Why is everything about e-pens with you guys? Could you stop being so bitter for a moment and think some people enjoy friendly sparring matches, out in the mostly empty, unused open world, with no rigid rules or distinct goals?

I don’t know why everyone seems to automatically associate duels with malicious behaviors. Do you just assume everyone who enjoys sPvP are also evil bullys? Is everyone that does WvW a jerk as well? Are we so far gone into carebear mode that we view anything remotely competitive with disdain???

Lastly, are costume brawls not an existing model for duels in the open world? Where are all the threads about harassment stemming from costume brawls??

First: The idea that the only way this could happen within with the existing infrastructure in PvP or WvW is silly. You would enter the PvP annex and just simply have an option to enter a dueling arena through a new NPC or something similar. Same with WvW dualing – you would enter the keep and have the option then through an NPC to enter a 1 v 1 dual. Why this is so hard for the open world dual crowd to get I don’t get.

Second: Yes, I have enormous disdain for the competitive aspects of the game. Have not enjoyed them and probably never will. I haven’t enjoyed PvP since I was in college and even then it was getting old. I have discovered over time a simple truth: the more someone is into PvP the higher the “jerk” quotient seems to be. Its not a given but it correlates fairly well.

Third: The costume brawl is as big a red herring as any I’ve seen from the open world dual crowd. It almost always occurs on days when its a daily. There is really nothing about it that is competitive, and typically people simply take turns being brawling champ. Do you really imagine something similar happening with open world duals?

I have some simple questions for you: What do you think you’ve proven when defeat someone in PvP? Have you proven somehow you are better? Or is it just that you have better twitch reflexes? That you have better gear? Do you ever think that have gotten lucky Or maybe you’ve proven you have a better internet connection? What is it exactly that you get from it? Is it just fun? If its fun, wouldn’t it be just as fun set off in a separate instance? Why is it you need the audience? What does that do for you? What does that need say about you?

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bloodletting wolf.2837:

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Arrow.4619:

What a totally unnecessary and unwelcome idea. Put that feature in PvP or WvW land where it belongs. Most of the people arguing for it are exactly the reason why most of the rest of the community thinks the idea sucks. The “come at me bro” crowd doesn’t need a special system to be more strutting, obnoxious and annoying. And please don’t say it “has” to be in open world – if two players want to duel they can do it in PvP or WvW “arenas” and leave the rest of us out of their “little” measuring contest(s).

i can’t comprehend why people are so quick to suggest putting duels in sPvP or WvW “where they belong.”

I bet your sPvP team is going to be real stoked that they keep losing because two guys on your team are back at spawn dueling eachother, while the other team has the whole map capped.

WvW is even worse because there are queues to get in. If i am taking a spot in WvW you better believe i am trying to do something productive for the server. I would hate to think i am sitting in queue for 30 mins to an hour because WvW is apparently the only place to duel your friends. If you’re taking up a limited spot in WvW, you should be helping the war effort. That is a terrible place to duel.

Why are you being so contentious? You obviously haven’t put a lot of thought into this with your haphazard suggestions. You are only thinking of the repercussions for yourself and no one else. And this is assuming there even are “repercussions,” because i still maintain that open world duels will not effect you if you choose not to duel.

and for what? To prevent “little measuring contests?” Why is everything about e-pens with you guys? Could you stop being so bitter for a moment and think some people enjoy friendly sparring matches, out in the mostly empty, unused open world, with no rigid rules or distinct goals?

I don’t know why everyone seems to automatically associate duels with malicious behaviors. Do you just assume everyone who enjoys sPvP are also evil bullys? Is everyone that does WvW a jerk as well? Are we so far gone into carebear mode that we view anything remotely competitive with disdain???

Lastly, are costume brawls not an existing model for duels in the open world? Where are all the threads about harassment stemming from costume brawls??

I can’t comprehend why you want duels in pve “where they belong”. Why are you being so contentious? You obviously haven’t put a lot of thought into this with your haphazard suggestions. You are only thinking of the benefits to yourself/a small group of people and no one else. This is assuming that there are more benefits than negatives because plenty of people maintain that open world duels will effect them even if they choose not to duel. Could you stop being so bitter and think about how it will effect other players. Stop painting your picture with only black and white when there are all of those lovely shades of grey. You have been given plenty of ways that duels could be implemented that even the anti-duel people couldn’t complain about but it isn’t good enough for you. “Every other mmo has them” is not a true or valid argument either. I want dueling, I really do but not at the expense of another players enjoyment.

C’mon man, don’t copy what i wrote like it proves some sort of point. This is the contentious attitude i’m talking about.

I have agreed with every harassment counter measure being put in place for open world duels with the exception of arenas. One, because arena duels is basically the opposite of open world duels. Having it in an arena totally defeats the purpose of fighting in the open world, and being able to fight without having to suffer through loading screens.

and Two: Because custom spvp arenas already exist in the game. If that was a suitable substitute you wouldn’t be having duel threads pop up all the time.

If you gave people the option to auto-decline duels, block and ignore messages from specific players, and set up a cooldown that prevented you from duel spamming, it would give you the tools to prevent any hypothetical instances where players harass another player for no apparent reason other than they didn’t want to duel.

Someone does not get duality I guess since you missed the whole point. Refusing to see the other sides argument at all and dismissing any counter arguments as not important doesn’t help your cause at all. I want dueling but understand the problems that come along with it. If you refuse to acknowledge the some times toxic consequences that come with what you want it does nothing but prove to the anti duel crowd that you are “one of those people” who are the reason that they don’t want dueling.

Oh look, it’s this thread again. So aside from the ego stroking that the duelists want and the eye rolling of those who couldn’t care less about dueling, what else is new? * reads *

I see: nothing new. It just goes back and forth perpetually. It’s always these internet tough guys that want to obnoxiously duel in the open world for everyone else to see, whether they like it or not, and then the winner of the duel can whip out his digital junk for all to see, expecting admiration as if they are actually somehow better than the other player. It’s like ‘commanders’ in W3 that think they actually have authority over other players.

I wonder if these people will ever understand that in the grand scheme of things, no one cares about their little duels except them. Private arenas already exist, ’nuff said.

If ArenaNet makes an open world dueling system like in other MMOs, some will be happy and some will not. If they don’t implement it, some will be happy and some will not. It’s one of those ‘kitten ed if you do kitten ed if you dont’ situations. I say ArenaNet should just leave it as it is and wipe their hands of it.

You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake.

Arrow.4619:

First: The idea that the only way this could happen within with the existing infrastructure in PvP or WvW is silly. You would enter the PvP annex and just simply have an option to enter a dueling arena through a new NPC or something similar. Same with WvW dualing – you would enter the keep and have the option then through an NPC to enter a 1 v 1 dual. Why this is so hard for the open world dual crowd to get I don’t get.

Second: Yes, I have enormous disdain for the competitive aspects of the game. Have not enjoyed them and probably never will. I haven’t enjoyed PvP since I was in college and even then it was getting old. I have discovered over time a simple truth: the more someone is into PvP the higher the “jerk” quotient seems to be. Its not a given but it correlates fairly well.

Third: The costume brawl is as big a red herring as any I’ve seen from the open world dual crowd. It almost always occurs on days when its a daily. There is really nothing about it that is competitive, and typically people simply take turns being brawling champ. Do you really imagine something similar happening with open world duals?

I have some simple questions for you: What do you think you’ve proven when defeat someone in PvP? Have you proven somehow you are better? Or is it just that you have better twitch reflexes? That you have better gear? Do you ever think that have gotten lucky Or maybe you’ve proven you have a better internet connection? What is it exactly that you get from it? Is it just fun? If its fun, wouldn’t it be just as fun set off in a separate instance? Why is it you need the audience? What does that do for you? What does that need say about you?

So you have no issue with a someone who only wants to duel taking up a limited spot in WvW?

Your sPvP solution is already doable in game. You can make a custom sPvP game and duel people. Yet these duel threads still pop up all the time. Apparently a sPvP arena isn’t a good replacement for open world duels.

to you other questions— Yes i believe that after the initial impact of duels being implemented, it would die down to being just as much of a non-issue as costume brawl, just the same as any new mode that is implemented in the game.

Your last barrage of questions are misguided inquiries.

I do not want duels to prove i’m better then someone. I know you guys don’t process a lot of what you read, but Anet has said repeatedly that the game is not balanced around 1v1. A 1v1 victory would only prove you’ve out rocked their scissors.

I want to duel because it is fun to have 1v1 sparring matches, especially in the interesting and varied zones of the open world. It also a great way to experiment with builds for WvW. But please understand, i have no intention of dueling just to prove i’m better then someone. Also, i believe it is important to make duels accessible enough to not have to go through load screens (aka travel to another zone).

The fact that you believe so strongly that people only want duels to prove they are better than others makes me question why i am even typing this. You didn’t appear to read the last thing i wrote, but on the other hand this is great practice for my GWAM.

Scrambles.2604:

C’mon man, don’t copy what i wrote like it proves some sort of point. This is the contentious attitude i’m talking about.

I have agreed with every harassment counter measure being put in place for open world duels with the exception of arenas. One, because arena duels is basically the opposite of open world duels. Having it in an arena totally defeats the purpose of fighting in the open world, and being able to fight without having to suffer through loading screens.

and Two: Because custom spvp arenas already exist in the game. If that was a suitable substitute you wouldn’t be having duel threads pop up all the time.

If you gave people the option to auto-decline duels, block and ignore messages from specific players, and set up a cooldown that prevented you from duel spamming, it would give you the tools to prevent any hypothetical instances where players harass another player for no apparent reason other than they didn’t want to duel.

bloodletting wolf.2837:

Someone does not get duality I guess since you missed the whole point. Refusing to see the other sides argument at all and dismissing any counter arguments as not important doesn’t help your cause at all. I want dueling but understand the problems that come along with it. If you refuse to acknowledge the some times toxic consequences that come with what you want it does nothing but prove to the anti duel crowd that you are “one of those people” who are the reason that they don’t want dueling.

I missed the whole point!!?? I address all of your ridiculous arguments and questions even though you wrote it in a disrespectful way.

Then you come back, ignoring all my points, and then repeating the same tired argument being that my issue is i don’t believe the toxic elements of the community are the rule rather than the exception to the rule. There are toxic elements in the community but they are a tiny, tiny minority, just like any community.

Based on the way you treat me just in conversation, i am starting to wonder if you attract the negative elements to yourself because you have proven over and over your attitude is nothing but unreasonable and contentious.

I believe i summed up my entire argument very nicely in my last post, so naturally you ignored it:

If you gave people the option to auto-decline duels, block and ignore messages from specific players, and set up a cooldown that prevented you from duel spamming, it would give players the tools to prevent any hypothetical instances where players harass another player for no apparent reason other than they didn’t want to duel.

Zera Allimatti.2541:

Oh look, it’s this thread again. So aside from the ego stroking that the duelists want and the eye rolling of those who couldn’t care less about dueling, what else is new? * reads *

I see: nothing new. It just goes back and forth perpetually. It’s always these internet tough guys that want to obnoxiously duel in the open world for everyone else to see, whether they like it or not, and then the winner of the duel can whip out his digital junk for all to see, expecting admiration as if they are actually somehow better than the other player. It’s like ‘commanders’ in W3 that think they actually have authority over other players.

I wonder if these people will ever understand that in the grand scheme of things, no one cares about their little duels except them. Private arenas already exist, ’nuff said.

If ArenaNet makes an open world dueling system like in other MMOs, some will be happy and some will not. If they don’t implement it, some will be happy and some will not. It’s one of those ‘kitten ed if you do kitten ed if you dont’ situations. I say ArenaNet should just leave it as it is and wipe their hands of it.

You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake.

I agree with this (aside from reinforcing the idea that duelists only want to “stroke their egos”), but the argument then becomes “for what reasons are those people unhappy duels are implemented?” “Are their reasons to be unhappy justified?”

I have not seen any justifiable reason for someone to be unhappy with the implementation of duels, beyond “i just dont like it” which is just plain unreasonable. Every complaint that has been stated can be easily solved and has been solved in other games (implementing auto-decline duels is a popular solution in other games), and i still firmly maintain that, if implemented correctly, duels will not effect you if you do not choose to duel.

If your reasons for being unhappy with the implementation of duels are unjustified, then i don’t believe your feelings should be considered in the decision making process because there is no way to satiate you. You are just being unhappy for the sake of being unhappy.

You proved my point thank you and have a nice day.

bloodletting wolf.2837:

You proved my point thank you and have a nice day.

The salience of your argument diminishes every time you refuse to acknowledge anything i have to say. I don’t understand how i can prove your point when you haven’t made any.

I believe i have discerned your attempted point from your nonsensical ramblings.

" If you refuse to acknowledge the some times toxic consequences that come with what you want it does nothing but prove to the anti duel crowd that you are “one of those people” who are the reason that they don’t want dueling."

I have acknowledged there are toxic elements to the community. But these consequences all have easy remedies that you refuse to acknowledge. You are overblowing the proportion of the toxic elements compared to the rest of the community, while simultaneously ignoring tools to prevent abuse from those unavoidable minority of toxic elements that will exist in any community.

Any hypothetical situation you can imagine where duels would be abused can be eliminated with the implementation of three simple tools:

Auto-decline duels
Ignore/block all messages from player
Duel request cooldown to prevent spam

There is so much animosity towards my argument (and towards my person), yet if there was a reasonable rebuttal to what i have to say you guys would be repeating it to no end. Yet there is no such argument. You just continue with hyperbole and ideas of potential abuse from the “duel me brah” crowd that may not even exist.

It’s like you live in a fantasy world where everyone is just waiting for you to log on so they can harass you. Other players seem to exist only to torment you, yet it is those in favor of duels that are apparently the ones with the ego problems.

Scrambles.2604:

bloodletting wolf.2837:

You proved my point thank you and have a nice day.

The salience of your argument diminishes every time you refuse to acknowledge anything i have to say. I don’t understand how i can prove your point when you haven’t made any.

I believe i have discerned your attempted point from your nonsensical ramblings.

" If you refuse to acknowledge the some times toxic consequences that come with what you want it does nothing but prove to the anti duel crowd that you are “one of those people” who are the reason that they don’t want dueling."

I have acknowledged there are toxic elements to the community. But these consequences all have easy remedies that you refuse to acknowledge. You are overblowing the proportion of the toxic elements compared to the rest of the community, while simultaneously ignoring tools to prevent abuse from those unavoidable minority of toxic elements that will exist in any community.

Any hypothetical situation you can imagine where duels would be abused can be eliminated with the implementation of three simple tools:

Auto-decline duels
Ignore/block all messages from player
Duel request cooldown to prevent spam

There is so much animosity towards my argument (and towards my person), yet if there was a reasonable rebuttal to what i have to say you guys would be repeating it to no end. Yet there is no such argument. You just continue with hyperbole and ideas of potential abuse from the “duel me brah” crowd that may not even exist.

It’s like you live in a fantasy world where everyone is just waiting for you to log on so they can harass you. Other players seem to exist only to torment you, yet it is those in favor of duels that are apparently the ones with the ego problems.

Ok one last time. I want duels. I don’t get harassed but there are people that do. The block feature in this game is a joke and there have been multiple threads on that particular subject. I actually addressed all of the problems with how you want it implemented a couple of pages ago. My point is that rather than forcing something that is a divisive issue that the two sides can meet in the middle. If you feel that I attacked you I don’t really see how other than disagreeing with you but I’m sorry. Shades of grey.

bloodletting wolf.2837:

Scrambles.2604:

bloodletting wolf.2837:

You proved my point thank you and have a nice day.

The salience of your argument diminishes every time you refuse to acknowledge anything i have to say. I don’t understand how i can prove your point when you haven’t made any.

I believe i have discerned your attempted point from your nonsensical ramblings.

" If you refuse to acknowledge the some times toxic consequences that come with what you want it does nothing but prove to the anti duel crowd that you are “one of those people” who are the reason that they don’t want dueling."

I have acknowledged there are toxic elements to the community. But these consequences all have easy remedies that you refuse to acknowledge. You are overblowing the proportion of the toxic elements compared to the rest of the community, while simultaneously ignoring tools to prevent abuse from those unavoidable minority of toxic elements that will exist in any community.

Any hypothetical situation you can imagine where duels would be abused can be eliminated with the implementation of three simple tools:

Auto-decline duels
Ignore/block all messages from player
Duel request cooldown to prevent spam

There is so much animosity towards my argument (and towards my person), yet if there was a reasonable rebuttal to what i have to say you guys would be repeating it to no end. Yet there is no such argument. You just continue with hyperbole and ideas of potential abuse from the “duel me brah” crowd that may not even exist.

It’s like you live in a fantasy world where everyone is just waiting for you to log on so they can harass you. Other players seem to exist only to torment you, yet it is those in favor of duels that are apparently the ones with the ego problems.

Ok one last time. I want duels. I don’t get harassed but there are people that do. The block feature in this game is a joke and there have been multiple threads on that particular subject. I actually addressed all of the problems with how you want it implemented a couple of pages ago. My point is that rather than forcing something that is a divisive issue that the two sides can meet in the middle. If you feel that I attacked you I don’t really see how other than disagreeing with you but I’m sorry. Shades of grey.

You haven’t addressed anything. You’ve just said that duels should be restricted to certain areas to prevent it from impacting others, which defeats the whole purposed of “open world duels.”

You haven’t addressed how others would be impacted if duels were allowed in the open world but tools like auto-decline/block/spam cooldown were implemented. I would love to hear what the hypothetical effects would be when there are hypothetical measures in place to prevent the hypothetical consequences.

My argument is that, with proper (functioning) tools, open world duels could be implemented without any zone restrictions (with the exception of cities and the like) and players still wouldn’t be impacted.

I don’t see how you can be effected by duels if you have auto-decline duels turned on. If someone harasses you, you just do what you would normally do and ignore/report them.

And as far as i know (i have stated previously my ignore list is empty) there is a thread on /r/guildwars2 talking about how the block/ignore system was recently improved. Either way, the functionality of block/ignore is a separate issue from open world duels. The duel discussion is hypothetical so any hypothetical tools that i’ve suggested to be implemented are assumed to also work the way they’ve been suggested to work.

Only way id agree to open world dueling is if they did it WvW style whereby your level is reduced to the level of your opponents skill and abilities making you on even terms with them.

CaptainVanguard.4925:

Only way id agree to open world dueling is if they did it WvW style whereby your level is reduced to the level of your opponents skill and abilities making you on even terms with them.

I’d prefer it if the low level characters are scaled up. Mostly because of crit chance. When I go to a lvl 15 zone for example, my crit chance is lower then when I actually was lvl 15. In other words, crit chance scaling is pretty much broken.

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

CaptainVanguard.4925:

Only way id agree to open world dueling is if they did it WvW style whereby your level is reduced to the level of your opponents skill and abilities making you on even terms with them.

I’d prefer it if the low level characters are scaled up. Mostly because of crit chance. When I go to a lvl 15 zone for example, my crit chance is lower then when I actually was lvl 15. In other words, crit chance scaling is pretty much broken.

Dang, Windu! You beat me to it! Post # 1337, grats

pvp is not the same as having your gear. pvp is lopsided bullkitten where condis rule and builds are all cookie cutter. Stop saying go to spvp private server cause thats just dumb. if you arent fully geared then heres a thought… DONT DUEL THEM? WvW 1v1s are among some of the most enjoyable and insane dueling ever but the problem is that you cant fight your friends the same way. Knowing you beat someone because your gear choices and perfect build decisions made a better build is way more awesome of a feeling then going into an spvp game and grabbing an amulet, maybe a different jewel and then saying “meh the numbers arent what I want but whatever…”

First of all, I don’t like dueling. I agree that the majority of duelers don’t pester or harass the PvEers. The problem, though, is that the minority that do pester the majority of PvEers which is why a lot of us have such hatred for the idea of dueling. Maybe 3 out of 15 duelers would request a fight with me in other games and only 1 out of those 3 (usually max levels challenging my low level) would then harass me when I decline. But that 1 would harass nearly every avatar who walked by, then gloat about his accomplishments of beating PvEers naïve/new/brave enough to accept to the duel. (FYI, PvEers aren’t experienced in the fast pace action of PvP, putting them at a drastic disadvantage to PvPers) That being said, I do have alternative ideas.

Arenas for random dueling in every city sounds fine to me, especially if they don’t allow a challenge to someone outside of a certain proximity of the arena. The proximity being the arena floor, allowing random spectators if they want to in the stands.

Duels in open world so you can battle in the ruins of Droknar (or I guess even in the LA bank, though I would actually prefer if abilities were negated in cities entirely-save the arena and speed increases) would be fine too, as long as the challenge is restricted to party and/or guild members and both party members have to be, again, within a certain proximity of each other before the dual can be requested, giving players time to discuss what the party is for. They could even work in a system of choosing to exemp or bump up the levels, which could be discussed prior to the challenge in party chat. Also, duelers should not affect spawn sizes for events, but are still able to be attacked by creatures during the fight. That could make for interesting battles that I might actually participate in or watch. Heck, it’d be cool if they could even allow spectators to pay gold for stalkers/bears/destroyers (animals depending on city) to attack the people in the arenas (1-2 animals per active duel), the animals you kill grant boons to the PvPers.

Also, the ability to decline (auto or manual) would be a no brainer. Perma ban is WAY too far for those who harass, it’s a quick way to alienate everyone if you put such a strict punishment on something because the PvPers would have grounds to demand the same for PvEers who step out of line the first time. Maybe an account ban on even challenging a player and use of map, whisper chat for 1 day to a week (depending upon the consistency that they harass) would be more suitable. If they don’t get the hint, then start banning their account entirely for a 1 day to a week. If after that, I could see perma banning coming into effect. The offender, of course, would still be able to fight in the designated arena areas if they’re challenged.

Again, I completely agree that the majority of people who duel don’t harass or bully those who aren’t interested. But the problem with open world dueling is the minority of you harass the majority of those who don’t want to.

Kentaine.4692:

Again, I completely agree that the majority of people who duel don’t harass or bully those who aren’t interested. But the problem with open world dueling is the minority of you harass the majority of those who don’t want to.

Thanks for the insightful post, Kentaine.

If open world duels were implemented with auto-decline duels, can you see any situation where harassment would be possible/likely?

Do you think enough people are willing or motivated to harass someone for no other reason than having auto-decline duels enabled to justify not ever implementing open world duels at all?

I’m not baiting you or anything. I’ve been accused of refusing to see things from the other side and these questions are purely posed to gain further insight.

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bloodletting wolf.2837:

Scrambles.2604:

bloodletting wolf.2837:

You proved my point thank you and have a nice day.

The salience of your argument diminishes every time you refuse to acknowledge anything i have to say. I don’t understand how i can prove your point when you haven’t made any.

I believe i have discerned your attempted point from your nonsensical ramblings.

" If you refuse to acknowledge the some times toxic consequences that come with what you want it does nothing but prove to the anti duel crowd that you are “one of those people” who are the reason that they don’t want dueling."

I have acknowledged there are toxic elements to the community. But these consequences all have easy remedies that you refuse to acknowledge. You are overblowing the proportion of the toxic elements compared to the rest of the community, while simultaneously ignoring tools to prevent abuse from those unavoidable minority of toxic elements that will exist in any community.

Any hypothetical situation you can imagine where duels would be abused can be eliminated with the implementation of three simple tools:

Auto-decline duels
Ignore/block all messages from player
Duel request cooldown to prevent spam

There is so much animosity towards my argument (and towards my person), yet if there was a reasonable rebuttal to what i have to say you guys would be repeating it to no end. Yet there is no such argument. You just continue with hyperbole and ideas of potential abuse from the “duel me brah” crowd that may not even exist.

It’s like you live in a fantasy world where everyone is just waiting for you to log on so they can harass you. Other players seem to exist only to torment you, yet it is those in favor of duels that are apparently the ones with the ego problems.

Ok one last time. I want duels. I don’t get harassed but there are people that do. The block feature in this game is a joke and there have been multiple threads on that particular subject. I actually addressed all of the problems with how you want it implemented a couple of pages ago. My point is that rather than forcing something that is a divisive issue that the two sides can meet in the middle. If you feel that I attacked you I don’t really see how other than disagreeing with you but I’m sorry. Shades of grey.

You haven’t addressed anything. You’ve just said that duels should be restricted to certain areas to prevent it from impacting others, which defeats the whole purposed of “open world duels.”

You haven’t addressed how others would be impacted if duels were allowed in the open world but tools like auto-decline/block/spam cooldown were implemented. I would love to hear what the hypothetical effects would be when there are hypothetical measures in place to prevent the hypothetical consequences.

My argument is that, with proper (functioning) tools, open world duels could be implemented without any zone restrictions (with the exception of cities and the like) and players still wouldn’t be impacted.

I don’t see how you can be effected by duels if you have auto-decline duels turned on. If someone harasses you, you just do what you would normally do and ignore/report them.

And as far as i know (i have stated previously my ignore list is empty) there is a thread on /r/guildwars2 talking about how the block/ignore system was recently improved. Either way, the functionality of block/ignore is a separate issue from open world duels. The duel discussion is hypothetical so any hypothetical tools that i’ve suggested to be implemented are assumed to also work the way they’ve been suggested to work.

Interfering with De’s was just one of the reasons I stated that you didn’t handle very well considering even if the duelist die it still raised the difficulty of the event for the person trying to do it. Honestly in my opinion the best ways to implement dueling would be:
A. Pvp zones or even new maps that were pvp centered with no vistas, poi, etc so pure pve people wouldn’t have to go there.
B. A pvp server that you could either live on or guest to – you wouldn’t have to deal with any extra loading screens that way.

As I said before it is a divisive issue and I would prefer that my play style didn’t interfere with someone who doesn’t like it for whatever reason whether you or I consider it silly or not.

bloodletting wolf.2837:

Scrambles.2604:

bloodletting wolf.2837:

Scrambles.2604:

bloodletting wolf.2837:

You proved my point thank you and have a nice day.

The salience of your argument diminishes every time you refuse to acknowledge anything i have to say. I don’t understand how i can prove your point when you haven’t made any.

I believe i have discerned your attempted point from your nonsensical ramblings.

" If you refuse to acknowledge the some times toxic consequences that come with what you want it does nothing but prove to the anti duel crowd that you are “one of those people” who are the reason that they don’t want dueling."

I have acknowledged there are toxic elements to the community. But these consequences all have easy remedies that you refuse to acknowledge. You are overblowing the proportion of the toxic elements compared to the rest of the community, while simultaneously ignoring tools to prevent abuse from those unavoidable minority of toxic elements that will exist in any community.

Any hypothetical situation you can imagine where duels would be abused can be eliminated with the implementation of three simple tools:

Auto-decline duels
Ignore/block all messages from player
Duel request cooldown to prevent spam

There is so much animosity towards my argument (and towards my person), yet if there was a reasonable rebuttal to what i have to say you guys would be repeating it to no end. Yet there is no such argument. You just continue with hyperbole and ideas of potential abuse from the “duel me brah” crowd that may not even exist.

It’s like you live in a fantasy world where everyone is just waiting for you to log on so they can harass you. Other players seem to exist only to torment you, yet it is those in favor of duels that are apparently the ones with the ego problems.

Ok one last time. I want duels. I don’t get harassed but there are people that do. The block feature in this game is a joke and there have been multiple threads on that particular subject. I actually addressed all of the problems with how you want it implemented a couple of pages ago. My point is that rather than forcing something that is a divisive issue that the two sides can meet in the middle. If you feel that I attacked you I don’t really see how other than disagreeing with you but I’m sorry. Shades of grey.

You haven’t addressed anything. You’ve just said that duels should be restricted to certain areas to prevent it from impacting others, which defeats the whole purposed of “open world duels.”

You haven’t addressed how others would be impacted if duels were allowed in the open world but tools like auto-decline/block/spam cooldown were implemented. I would love to hear what the hypothetical effects would be when there are hypothetical measures in place to prevent the hypothetical consequences.

My argument is that, with proper (functioning) tools, open world duels could be implemented without any zone restrictions (with the exception of cities and the like) and players still wouldn’t be impacted.

I don’t see how you can be effected by duels if you have auto-decline duels turned on. If someone harasses you, you just do what you would normally do and ignore/report them.

And as far as i know (i have stated previously my ignore list is empty) there is a thread on /r/guildwars2 talking about how the block/ignore system was recently improved. Either way, the functionality of block/ignore is a separate issue from open world duels. The duel discussion is hypothetical so any hypothetical tools that i’ve suggested to be implemented are assumed to also work the way they’ve been suggested to work.

Interfering with De’s was just one of the reasons I stated that you didn’t handle very well considering even if the duelist die it still raised the difficulty of the event for the person trying to do it. Honestly in my opinion the best ways to implement dueling would be:
A. Pvp zones or even new maps that were pvp centered with no vistas, poi, etc so pure pve people wouldn’t have to go there.
B. A pvp server that you could either live on or guest to – you wouldn’t have to deal with any extra loading screens that way.

As I said before it is a divisive issue and I would prefer that my play style didn’t interfere with someone who doesn’t like it for whatever reason whether you or I consider it silly or not.

I think changing DE scaling to not count people dueling would be an easier fix then making an entire new pvp zone. Or just let duelers effect DE scaling. The seldom occasions where a duel would be near a DE wont really make a difference.

But if two people are going to duel, i doubt they going to do it right in the middle of an event. It only becomes a divisive issue when you assume the worst thing possible will happen all the time.

Sadly, I can. Auto decline or not, they’ll ask why I don’t want to duel them. Either I’m declining because I’m not in the mood to duel, which then makes them badger me in map and whisper or the auto decline is on, not even giving them the option to duel me, and they ask me why they can’t challenge me. That then leads to the same effect.

Hopefully they wouldn’t find a way around the auto-decline either. I remember playing another game on a PvE server and getting ganked by an opposing player 10 levels over me because my SPLASH damage activated my willingness to fight them or I right clicked on the wrong pixel against a person 40 levels over me. I don’t see that happening in GW, since the factions all work together, it’s just an example of how people have gotten around other games’ supposed auto decline mechanics.

It’s really a side-effect of the internet in general more than anything. The feeling of anonymity lets people do things and say things to others they wouldn’t be as likely to face to face.

But, I would like to see some form of actual dueling enter the game because you guys are right. It’d be nice to see what better stats than what is provided in WvW are like against friends/guildies even if I never participated.

There could be the option if you rightclick on someone, just like ‘invite to group’, you can ask for a ‘duel request’. If you got a request it will pop up like a group request does right now. If you decline, they can’t ask you again for the next 10 minutes or so, to prevent spammers.
Also you could ad ‘request group duel’ if the player is in a group, same as ‘request guild duel’. If you accept the guild/group duel all members in your guild/group will get an seperate request which they can deline or accept.
The duel will finish with the first one in downstate. In a guild/group duel you will excrete if you go into downstate.

Open world PvP Dueling Please.

The pro’s far outweigh the cons and without a penalty to the losers (no durability loss, no spawn toll ect) It would be very appealing for players who are skeptical to PvP and would therefor reduce the gap between sPvP and PvE, bridging both core player bases together at their own pace.

There’s really no disputing it would be fun

People who are truly that afraid/effected by griefing really shouldn’t be playing a MMO anyways. Because it will always exist across all forms in social games. My advice: Grow some thick skin and just laugh them off.

Dueling has got to come~ and when it does, I will finally step into PvE.