Guild Wars 2

Would you like to see open world duels ?

What futures would you like to se ? What are the big no nos ? And what is
a must have for all the duels ?

A dueling option should indeed be added into the game.

I whole heartedly agree.

Thumbs up for dueling. And inspecting.

I totally agree. That would add so much to the game!

It needs an appropriate place for people to duel. Already Ive seen people pretending to do it at the bank, trading places and major zone ins in cities.

Well, if both players accept to duel, they could do so anywhere they want to I guess..

Consensual dueling would be a cool feature.

Maybe there could be designated circular areas for it.
What you do is, you have two players step in and both
accept that a duel is about to take place.

After that, see through white walls light up. Not high walls, just
ones that mark the area and these walls then make it so that players can’t be
pushed outside the arena and no one else can enter while the duel
is on. It MAY also balance things a little, if for example it’s a thief
vs some other class, as the thief won’t have been able to get too far
away with stealth. Needs some thought.

If it does get added, I’d like to see it done in arenas like the one in the Black Citadel. That way the folks that are interested in dueling can find each other, and I don’t have to deal with folks dueling in the streets.

I think the custom rent-a-server thing that’s being implemented in the Halloween update might grant this wish (but for a price? Who knows).

Seraki.2753:

It needs an appropriate place for people to duel. Already Ive seen people pretending to do it at the bank, trading places and major zone ins in cities.

They can do this already anyway, might as well allow them to actually pvp eachother. Unless you want to disable abilities entirely at the “bank, trading places and major zone inns in cities.” which is just not logical, just implement a normal dueling feature where people can duel anywhere at anytime without having to ‘pretend’.

Brewergamer.8357:

Unless you want to disable abilities entirely at the “bank, trading places and major zone inns in cities.” which is just not logical, just implement a normal dueling feature where people can duel anywhere at anytime without having to ‘pretend’.

How about we don’t allow people to brawl in the bank, or the TP, or any other place where folks are trying to do something else? What’s logical is for folks that want to duel to head to an arena. Besides arenas have places for spectators. Might be nice to do a little (virtual) book making.

Pandemoniac.4739:

Brewergamer.8357:

Unless you want to disable abilities entirely at the “bank, trading places and major zone inns in cities.” which is just not logical, just implement a normal dueling feature where people can duel anywhere at anytime without having to ‘pretend’.

How about we don’t allow people to brawl in the bank, or the TP, or any other place where folks are trying to do something else? What’s logical is for folks that want to duel to head to an arena. Besides arenas have places for spectators. Might be nice to do a little (virtual) book making.

Like I said, people can already do this. 50 people can already run around a TP trader swinging their weapons and spamming abilities if they want so your point is still invalid.

I fully support dueling and I think that any location should be fair game as long as both players agree.

Brewergamer.8357:

Like I said, people can already do this. 50 people can already run around a TP trader swinging their weapons and spamming abilities if they want so your point is still invalid.

People can run around spamming abilities, but they can’t actually duel. How does that make my opinion that people beating each other up in the middle of the TP is a bad idea invalid? Pretending to fight is not the same thing as actually fighting, or this thread wouldn’t exist.

Pandemoniac.4739:

Brewergamer.8357:

Like I said, people can already do this. 50 people can already run around a TP trader swinging their weapons and spamming abilities if they want so your point is still invalid.

People can run around spamming abilities, but they can’t actually duel. How does that make my opinion that people beating each other up in the middle of the TP is a bad idea invalid? Pretending to fight is not the same thing as actually fighting, or this thread wouldn’t exist.

So.. let me get this straight. You are complaining about something that could happen in a future feature, that already can happen right now?

Once again, a dueling option would be simple and easy for them to add as well as it would be a fun thing for players to do.

restrict it to the PvP lobby, in a specific, separate zone. teleport them to a duel map, even (like sPvP matches do). i don’t want duel requests being spammed all over the game.

but if the necessary precautions such as the one stated above are complied, i wouldn’t mind a casual dueling mode, without worrying about special rules or balance. just set a space in the PvP lobby where you can apply for duels or challenge your friends, and that’s it. no glory, no money, nothing. just fighting for the sake of fighting.

because we all know that suddenly the mists would be full of thieves if you could get glory by playing 1v1 matches.

I support this completely.

The mists need a skirmish option really, not just 1vs1 but groups too so you can test out builds or practice with your guild with no penalty or reward.

Shinzan.2908:

The mists need a skirmish option really, not just 1vs1 but groups too so you can test out builds or practice with your guild with no penalty or reward.

i think that’s where server rentals will come in.

if you want to test your builds, there are some NPCs there, or just random PvP.

BrunoBRS.5178:

restrict it to the PvP lobby, in a specific, separate zone. teleport them to a duel map, even (like sPvP matches do). i don’t want duel requests being spammed all over the game.

but if the necessary precautions such as the one stated above are complied, i wouldn’t mind a casual dueling mode, without worrying about special rules or balance. just set a space in the PvP lobby where you can apply for duels or challenge your friends, and that’s it. no glory, no money, nothing. just fighting for the sake of fighting.

because we all know that suddenly the mists would be full of thieves if you could get glory by playing 1v1 matches.

I don’t get why people are afraid of having real world dueling, every other MMO in history has world dueling lol. Let’s say I try to prove a point to someone that my build is better theirs and I don’t want to have to go onto an sPvP lobby where people join instantly and always mess with our 1v1 fight.(it has happened to me before, even in joining lobbies with 0 people the “play now” option fills those lobbies fast if even just 1 person joins) I should be able to just duel them anywhere I want, except of course not in banks etc (like ANYONE would want to duel inside a bank flooded with people anyway) This would save them the work of having to add ENTIRE NEW ZONES just for dueling like you’re suggesting. Just allow dueling anywhere except certain areas.. its the easiest way for them to do it.

Just adding my support for adding dueling – I like the guy above’s skirmish idea as well.

For people who don’t want to duel an option to auto-reject duel requests would be a nice feature as well.

Brewergamer.8357:

I don’t get why people are afraid of having real world dueling, every other MMO in history has world dueling lol. Let’s say I try to prove a point to someone that my build is better theirs and I don’t want to have to go onto an sPvP lobby where people join instantly and always mess with our 1v1 fight.(it has happened to me before, even in joining lobbies with 0 people the “play now” option fills those lobbies fast if even just 1 person joins) I should be able to just duel them anywhere I want, except of course not in banks etc (like ANYONE would want to duel inside a bank flooded with people anyway) This would save them the work of having to add ENTIRE NEW ZONES just for dueling like you’re suggesting. Just allow dueling anywhere except certain areas.. its the easiest way for them to do it.

the answer is in the post you quoted:

BrunoBRS.5178:

i don’t want duel requests being spammed all over the game.

which you seem to imply you’re guilty of doing.

also, lol “my build is better”. that just doesn’t work. most builds in this game are not made for 1v1, and even if they are, they may not be effective against certain bosses in PvE.

as for PvP 1v1, i think everyone acknowledges by now that a thief can burst you before you realize the fight has started. of course, that build seems excellent in duels, until you realize the thief burned everything he could possibly do and now is a sitting duck, waiting for another player to be killed.

An option to automatically refuse duel requests would fix that easily enough I think.

Leadfoot.9071:

Just adding my support for adding dueling – I like the guy above’s skirmish idea as well.

For people who don’t want to duel an option to auto-reject duel requests would be a nice feature as well.

if you turn auto reject on, they’ll just spam the chat.

BrunoBRS.5178:

if you turn auto reject on, they’ll just spam the chat.

I think it’s more likely they’ll just try to duel somebody else?? Chat spamming is a different problem all together that should be dealt with generically anyways.

BrunoBRS.5178:

Leadfoot.9071:

Just adding my support for adding dueling – I like the guy above’s skirmish idea as well.

For people who don’t want to duel an option to auto-reject duel requests would be a nice feature as well.

if you turn auto reject on, they’ll just spam the chat.

I’m wondering are there any adults with common sense on this forum? There’s this thing.. its called a block. And what a block does is.. you see.. it makes it so you do not see any more messages from a select player. Congratulations.

I dont feel that implementing a dueling system would be TOO difficult. I would really like to see it happen because I find it fun to duel with my guildies (and beat them >: D )

No PvP in the PvE world. No duel request spamming in PvE that players have to constantly decline. Keep all PvP in the Mists.

One of ANet’s main philosophies of GW2 is to keep anything out of PvE that does not promote cooperation and give players a reason to not want to see other players and having instant feelings of animosity when they do. PvP in the PvE world, except in instanced situations like Keg Brawl, would just be irritating to many players. ANet knows this and will keep them separated.

Seraki.2753:

It needs an appropriate place for people to duel. Already Ive seen people pretending to do it at the bank, trading places and major zone ins in cities.

I completely disagree.

I would use dueling as a time waster while my group leader is looking for players.

ArenaNet have already said they’re going to release rentable PvP servers where you can host 1v1s, skirmishes and custom tournaments, so I don’t see the point of suggesting this now when it’s something they’ve already talked about.

Or maybe what you want is dueling anywhere in the world, which I don’t see the point of when they’re releasing these rentable arenas that’ll be alot more awesome than that. I would personally rather play in an sPvP arena than in the Lion’s Arch TP or whatever. Seeing people fight there would just be annoying. I guess it’s good for the RP community at least..

YES SPAR mode please!

And Secure Player to Player Trade.

Brewergamer.8357:

BrunoBRS.5178:

Leadfoot.9071:

Just adding my support for adding dueling – I like the guy above’s skirmish idea as well.

For people who don’t want to duel an option to auto-reject duel requests would be a nice feature as well.

if you turn auto reject on, they’ll just spam the chat.

I’m wondering are there any adults with common sense on this forum? There’s this thing.. its called a block. And what a block does is.. you see.. it makes it so you do not see any more messages from a select player. Congratulations.

so not only do i have to go through the nuisance of blocking every gold seller in the game, now i’ll have to go through the nuisance of blocking every duel requester too? when they could all be shoved on their own special, private place?

sounds counter intuitive to me, to indirectly incentive a well known issue with other MMORPGs when there is still time to apply a better solution.

This is how Dueling in an Open World MMO usually looks like if one person doesn’t want to duel:

IpWnU: “Hey Marvin, you and me, here, now!” requests duel
Marvin: declines request “Na man, I don’t like dueling”
IpWnU: “Come on, you’ve got dual legendaries and are rank X in Y, what have you got to fear?” requests again
Marvin: “Dude, I said no. Go bother somebody else.” declines request again
IpWnU: “What, you’re afraid? Can’t back your title up with skill?” requests again
Marvin: "Jesus Christ, ST?U man and go to the PvP lobby. enables auto decline duels
IpWnU: spams duel a few times, realizes Marvin’s on auto decline Hahaha, what a ?ussy! Can’t deal with playing the game seriously, right Marvin? proceeds to ridicule Marvin in all/map chat
Marvin: puts IpWnU on ignore and leaves the area
Everybody else around: hopes IpWnU will leave, too

This happens in every MMO where open world dueling is allowed. And the most harmful aspect of it isn’t that Marvin got bullied off the map by that guy, it’s the fact that a lot of people witnessed it. People like IpWnU set examples like that, and the inhibition threshold for other players like IpWnU sinks to a point where they don’t feel bad either for being aggressive and do as IpWnU does. More players argue and fight in chat about ego, being afraid of one another, you know, all that mindless waste of character space narcissistic, mentally 12 year old individuals with a god complex can produce, turning your PvE environment, which in ANets case is all about cooperation, it into a hostile environment for players that don’t want anything to do with fighting each other.

For your average, and by average I mean immature, PvPer, saying “no” to a request is a sign of defiance. Everything involving other players is a competition for these kinds of players, and another player having the audacity to not grant him his wish to own their behinds is a form of resistance that must be broken. They want to dominate you. So they try and provoke you to get what they want, which pretty much never works. How this scenario plays out I’ve already written down for you. Ignoring them is like ignoring bullies in high school – they get aggressive and force a reaction of you.

Implementing dueling at all is risky because it opens up the door to becoming a tool for some of the most annoying and reprehensible human behavior anonymous virtual environments can catalyze.

In GW1, dueling trash talk was basically contained to one area of the game, one outpost that was what the Heart of the Mists is now. A lobby where all kinds of players(mostly PvPers) gathered to talk, discuss and trade. There was no title for dueling, it wasn’t a dedicated feature, it wasn’t encouraged at all by ANet. But you could do it. You could be invited to someone’s guild hall, enter a skirmish match with them and ignore the objectives. If the same thing happens in GW2, I won’t be worried at all. Even if they decide to add a dueling as a context menu entry of player interactions to automatically get transported to an empty locked map: as long as it’s contained to the PvP lobby I don’t see it becoming a problem. But I trust ANet that they won’t encourage dueling or poison the PvE world with all of the trash talk that comes with it.

When I mentioned the “auto-reject” option, what I was thinking of was literally an option – like in the options menu – where you just check a box and it says “NO DUELING FOR ME” or wahtever… then, whenever someone tries to duel you, the option is simply greyed out/disabled or it just gives them a message saying this person doesn’t duel. I think its probably a very rare occurrence that someone would try to duel you, see that you have it disabled, and then proceed to harrass you in chat to try to get a duel going – and in those rare cases, you can always ignore them. Seems pretty straightforward to me.

I like the ability to duel anywhere because sometimes running around questing can get boring and it would be nice to notice someone nearby and challenge them to a duel for something different to do – a break from the norm.

Leadfoot.9071:

When I mentioned the “auto-reject” option, what I was thinking of was literally an option – like in the options menu – where you just check a box and it says “NO DUELING FOR ME” or wahtever… then, whenever someone tries to duel you, the option is simply greyed out/disabled or it just gives them a message saying this person doesn’t duel. I think its probably a very rare occurrence that someone would try to duel you, see that you have it disabled, and then proceed to harrass you in chat to try to get a duel going – and in those rare cases, you can always ignore them. Seems pretty straightforward to me.

I like the ability to duel anywhere because sometimes running around questing can get boring and it would be nice to notice someone nearby and challenge them to a duel for something different to do – a break from the norm.

I agree with you, these people that keep saying “DUELING IS BAD BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN CHALLENGE YOU TO A DUEL!!!!!” are simply idiotic. There is nothing wrong with having a dueling feature in an MMO.. I’ve wanted to duel people before to show them that I had a good build but I was unable to, we tried to go to the mists and get into a 0 lobby but everytime we joined that 5 people would join instantly. A 1v1 dueling option is what is needed and imagine how simple and easy they could do this.. they shouldnt not allow dueling simply because people are afraid of being challenged to duels.. its called declining. If the only excuse they have for not adding a dueling option is “WELL ITS ANNOYING” then I think that’s entirely un-logical and as I have said many times, a dueling option SHOULD be added to the game, it would only benefit us all.

BrunoBRS.5178:

Brewergamer.8357:

BrunoBRS.5178:

Leadfoot.9071:

Just adding my support for adding dueling – I like the guy above’s skirmish idea as well.

For people who don’t want to duel an option to auto-reject duel requests would be a nice feature as well.

if you turn auto reject on, they’ll just spam the chat.

I’m wondering are there any adults with common sense on this forum? There’s this thing.. its called a block. And what a block does is.. you see.. it makes it so you do not see any more messages from a select player. Congratulations.

so not only do i have to go through the nuisance of blocking every gold seller in the game, now i’ll have to go through the nuisance of blocking every duel requester too? when they could all be shoved on their own special, private place?

sounds counter intuitive to me, to indirectly incentive a well known issue with other MMORPGs when there is still time to apply a better solution.

If you cant handle player interaction I suggest that you go play a single player game. MMOs are not for you, obviously.

+100 points
DUEL players vs players every corner of the map, except dungeon? C:

Make it so players can ante-up items / currency too.

That would be entertaining.

ASB.4295:

This is how Dueling in an Open World MMO usually looks like if one person doesn’t want to duel…
-snip-

Except in many MMOs, there’s a “Allow Duel Request” type feature in game settings.

So the guy wouldn’t have gotten that first request, and the conversation would not have played out that way.

You’re exaggerating your concern by only bringing up the worst case scenario that can be easily dealt with by reporting them and blocking them.
And given how many bans ANet dealt out in the first few months, that’s not something to be taken lightly.

i’d love to be able to duel. Me and my friend are /not pvpers/. We’d just like to be able to duel each other when we are testing out different abilities we have and stuff.

We wouldn’t want to have to go to the “Pvp Duellers Arena” where a bunch of hardcore players are doing their pvp-duels.

We’d want to just go to some quite place in the game, a random field where pve enemies don’t really spawn.. and practice dueling each other alone.

Dunno why some people are so afraid of that.

As others have said, if Anet adds dueling they can add an Option to the Game Menu> Options window that says:

Auto Decline Invitations to Duel
Auto Decline Guild Invites
Auto Decline Party Invites

Really they already should have an option to auto-decline party invites i think. Then.. people who /never/ want to Duel.. or /never/ want to Party.. or never want to be part of any Guild never ever have to manually decline invitation requests. The game does it “silently” and automatically for them.

costume brawl: proof that dueling should never be implemented in GW2.

don’t get me wrong, i love costume brawl. it’s hilarious and chaotic. but it’s only fun while it’s done for mischief and kept as an isolated, temporary activity (namely, you only see it happening in lion’s arch, where large groups of players brawl). dueling would spread that special effect spamfest to the entire map, everywhere, all the time.

not to mention the rendering issues. in costume brawl, it’s harmless, but if you’re one on one against someone and you can’t see that someone anymore, how does it work?

BrunoBRS.5178:

costume brawl: proof that dueling should never be implemented in GW2.

don’t get me wrong, i love costume brawl. it’s hilarious and chaotic. but it’s only fun while it’s done for mischief and kept as an isolated, temporary activity (namely, you only see it happening in lion’s arch, where large groups of players brawl). dueling would spread that special effect spamfest to the entire map, everywhere, all the time.

not to mention the rendering issues. in costume brawl, it’s harmless, but if you’re one on one against someone and you can’t see that someone anymore, how does it work?

You saying that is proof you apparently have never played an MMO with dueling. Because what you predict will happen doesn’t actually happen.

Every mmo i’ve played that has dueling ends up with people who really enjoy duelling finding an out of the way place to duel each other. Usually sort of “unofficial” dueling groups gatherings start happening in out of the way places where the fighters will have lots of clear space and line-of-sight.

Because for one, duels tend to be 1 on 1 things. you don’t WANT to duel in a big crowd of people standing on top of each other. you can’t SEE the person you’re dueling that way. you need empty space to fight right.

Costume Brawl does not work how dueling works in any game i have ever played.

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That is sort of how it ends up working in most games i’ve played, people who want to duel form these little ‘rings’ in out of the way areas. the fighters go in the middle and fight. Everyone else just watches.

Dueling generally works this way.

You are standing around at the gate of a city and you get an alert on your screen (a bit like the ‘Would you like to Group?’ alerts we have now in this game) that says “DinoDoll would like to duel you? Do you accept? Decline?”

Then you pick accept or decline. If you pick “accept” the game gives us both a count down 3… 2…. 1… fight! then our fight starts. We fight each other til one of us dies (typically there is /no/ actual armour damage or death penalty for this death)

Once one of us dies.. the game spits out in chat “BrunoBRS has defeated DinoDoll in a duel.” .. then the game takes us /both/ out of duel mode.

While we are in duel mode with each other no one else can hit us. Its not a “free for all” like costume brawl is. Its just between us.

Also. Typically a game with this mechanic will have an Option in your Game Settings that allows you to /automatically decline/ ALL duel requests. So you will never get “spammed” with people asking you to duel, because you will have selected to /never/ accept duel requests. They will all be declined without you doing anything.

DinoDoll.3682:

BrunoBRS.5178:

costume brawl: proof that dueling should never be implemented in GW2.

don’t get me wrong, i love costume brawl. it’s hilarious and chaotic. but it’s only fun while it’s done for mischief and kept as an isolated, temporary activity (namely, you only see it happening in lion’s arch, where large groups of players brawl). dueling would spread that special effect spamfest to the entire map, everywhere, all the time.

not to mention the rendering issues. in costume brawl, it’s harmless, but if you’re one on one against someone and you can’t see that someone anymore, how does it work?

You saying that is proof you apparently have never played an MMO with dueling. Because what you predict will happen doesn’t actually happen.

Every mmo i’ve played that has dueling ends up with people who really enjoy duelling finding an out of the way place to duel each other. Usually sort of “unofficial” dueling groups gatherings start happening in out of the way places where the fighters will have lots of clear space and line-of-sight.

Because for one, duels tend to be 1 on 1 things. you don’t WANT to duel in a big crowd of people standing on top of each other. you can’t SEE the person you’re dueling that way. you need empty space to fight right.

Costume Brawl does not work how dueling works in any game i have ever played.

oh i have played MMOs with dueling. what i get is a bunch of people either in the city or as close as possible to the city (if the city is a non-hostile zone) fighting against each other, and the city’s chat flooded with people begging for duels, and random duel requests popping on the UI every other minute.

and my costume brawl example is just pointing out what would happen, from an outsider’s perspective, if a bunch of people were dueling too close to each other. and considering lion’s arch is the hangout place for absolutely everyone, it’s where the crowd would be doing said duels.

BrunoBRS.5178:

and the city’s chat flooded with people begging for duels, and random duel requests popping on the UI every other minute.

Never seen that first thing. Sorry you’ve been on crappy servers in games.

the second thing does not happen if you go into your preferences and select “Auto decline duel requests”. the same way in preferences you can select “Melee Assist” or “Auto Loot”. There is typically a place to select “Auto Decline Duels”. When you do that /no one/ can pop up duel requests on your screen every other minute.

BrunoBRS.5178:

and considering lion’s arch is the hangout place for absolutely everyone, it’s where the crowd would be doing said duels.

Agreed Lion’s Arch would likely end up being “the place” where dueling groups would gather. But not likely “right around the mystic forge” like costume brawl is.

The duel rings would end up happening out on the beach near Sanctum Harbor. Or on the beach near Fort Marriner. Or possibly right within Fort Marriner itself, since that’s near the portals that exit the pvp zone.

“say” chat does not seem to go that far, so the spam from text like “so and so defeated someone in a duel” would not infect all of Lion’s Arch.

here here! I private dueling system or private arenas would be amazing!

Space Monkey Pilot.7135:

here here! I private dueling system or private arenas would be amazing!

see? this i can back. something set in a separated place, away from the crowds, preferrably in the mists, with a whole system to back it up. not a duel request button you can press anywhere.

BrunoBRS.5178:

Space Monkey Pilot.7135:

here here! I private dueling system or private arenas would be amazing!

see? this i can back. something set in a separated place, away from the crowds, preferrably in the mists, with a whole system to back it up. not a duel request button you can press anywhere.

So you don’t support any way for two casual friends to “privately” duel without a crowd of people around?

So me and a friend can just mess about and fight each other without embarrassing ourselves in front of “hardcore” players?

/signed

party vs party everywhere and anywhere.