Guild Wars 2

I’ve seen a lot of people talking about adding some kind of inspect feature and a lot of people shooting them down. From what I can gather, people don’t like inspect because: it encourages elitism (gear score), it discourages socialization, and it isn’t necessary.

First off, I’d like to say that an Inspect feature is, at best, a quality of life change. It is something that I want implemented, but by no means needs to be implemented in any sort of soon. Moving on.

I would suggest a inspect feature, but only for item names. This would allow a quick search of the internet/auction house to discover where that item comes from, and/or go get it yourself.

Allow me to elaborate further with an example item, “Berserker’s Duelist’s Coat of the Traveler”. This item can be broken down by [Berserker’s]stat grouping [Duelist’s Coat]item name [of the Traveler]rune. I would propose displaying item name ONLY. So for this item, Duelist’s Coat.

DEBUNKING
– it encourages elitism (gear score)
This seems to be the big one. With just the name of the item, there’s no way to tell what stats or runes are on it and thus no way to exclude people based on gear. Also, not having an inspect feature doesn’t stop this from happening. If I really wanted to exclude people based on gear, I still can. I can ask for the links before I invite then to a group. This, by the way, has already happened to me. So I’d assume it’s happened to others.

- it discourages socialization
You could argue this, but really are the micro-discussions that big of socialization? Is “What’s your shirt?” “Duelist’s Coat.” “Thanks.” a meaningful conversation? No. Honestly, I find it annoying. Also, if the curious person still wants to ask them where they got the item instead of searching the internet, they still can.

- it isn’t necessary
This is true of any quality of life feature. It’s not necessary, it’s just a nice addition to have. As such, this should be at the bottom of ANet’s to do list with all the other QoL changes. But it is needed. If I ask someone what their gear is there is a large variety of reasons they couldn’t respond: anywhere from being AFK, to just not wanting to answer. From there it could take quite a lot of searching, with just an image alone, to try and find exactly what armor or weapon they had.

EDIT:

A good counterpoint was, finally, brought up. Even with it just restricted to gear name you can still deduce gear level from this information, and enforce elitism. This is interesting, should other people be able to deduce your gear level? I think no, personally. So if this were added I would want an easily toggleable setting, maybe in your character screen, that turns inspection off.

inspecting encourages profiling, profiling encourages segregation, and segregation is bad.

if you really want to know what it’s called, just ask.

they have far better, more important things to work on right now.

your “debunks” are pretty weak BTW, which is why i just repeated what you “debunked”.

What if I feel that I’m unique and my outfit represents my uniqueness? What if I’m the only one that I know who knows how to get that look? What if I’m so selfish that I want the fewer people possible looking like me?
In a game where the looks seem to be the ultimate goal, such things could be very relevant for some people.

Disclaimer: I don’t really feel like I put it, it was only an example. I don’t really care if everyone looks exactly like me.

BrunoBRS.5178:

inspecting encourages profiling, profiling encourages segregation, and segregation is bad.

if you really want to know what it’s called, just ask.

they have far better, more important things to work on right now.

your “debunks” are pretty weak BTW, which is why i just repeated what you “debunked”.

I’d like to know how you could profile someone from only the item name, as I defined it above.

Lysserd.4618:

BrunoBRS.5178:

inspecting encourages profiling, profiling encourages segregation, and segregation is bad.

if you really want to know what it’s called, just ask.

they have far better, more important things to work on right now.

your “debunks” are pretty weak BTW, which is why i just repeated what you “debunked”.

I’d like to know how you could profile someone from only the item name, as I defined it above.

if it’s just the name, then you can just ask. believe it or not, implementing features not only takes time and testing, but it takes time and testing away from other features in development. so if you ask them to add an inspect feature, you also ask them to sacrifice another feature in development to work on inspection.

ANet, like any company, has limited resources, and most people would rather see those resources spent on better things than something that can be replaced by “hey what armor is that?”

If you don’t want an inspect feature with stats, then you have what you need already, the ability to ask. Inspect has no place in this game whatsoever. Posting about it over and over isn’t going to change that, this isn’t that type of game.

BrunoBRS.5178:

Lysserd.4618:

BrunoBRS.5178:

inspecting encourages profiling, profiling encourages segregation, and segregation is bad.

if you really want to know what it’s called, just ask.

they have far better, more important things to work on right now.

your “debunks” are pretty weak BTW, which is why i just repeated what you “debunked”.

I’d like to know how you could profile someone from only the item name, as I defined it above.

if it’s just the name, then you can just ask. believe it or not, implementing features not only takes time and testing, but it takes time and testing away from other features in development. so if you ask them to add an inspect feature, you also ask them to sacrifice another feature in development to work on inspection.

ANet, like any company, has limited resources, and most people would rather see those resources spent on better things than something that can be replaced by “hey what armor is that?”

Exactly. I had an exchange like this the other day.

“What armor is that?”
“Token armor from Twilight Arbor”
“ooh right, thanks”

OMG! Inspect feature is already implemented! Truly astounding.

DavidGX.1723:

BrunoBRS.5178:

Lysserd.4618:

BrunoBRS.5178:

inspecting encourages profiling, profiling encourages segregation, and segregation is bad.

if you really want to know what it’s called, just ask.

they have far better, more important things to work on right now.

your “debunks” are pretty weak BTW, which is why i just repeated what you “debunked”.

I’d like to know how you could profile someone from only the item name, as I defined it above.

if it’s just the name, then you can just ask. believe it or not, implementing features not only takes time and testing, but it takes time and testing away from other features in development. so if you ask them to add an inspect feature, you also ask them to sacrifice another feature in development to work on inspection.

ANet, like any company, has limited resources, and most people would rather see those resources spent on better things than something that can be replaced by “hey what armor is that?”

Exactly. I had an exchange like this the other day.

“What armor is that?”
“Token armor from Twilight Arbor”
“ooh right, thanks”

OMG! Inspect feature is already implemented! Truly astounding.

if the player is particularly generous (or hates talking), he might even link you the armor.

Lysserd.4618:

I’ve seen a lot of people talking about adding some kind of inspect feature and a lot of people shooting them down. From what I can gather, people don’t like inspect because: it encourages elitism (gear score), it discourages socialization, and it isn’t necessary.

First off, I’d like to say that an Inspect feature is, at best, a quality of life change. It is something that I want implemented, but by no means needs to be implemented in any sort of soon. Moving on.

I would suggest a inspect feature, but only for item names. This would allow a quick search of the internet/auction house to discover where that item comes from, and/or go get it yourself.

Allow me to elaborate further with an example item, “Berserker’s Duelist’s Coat of the Traveler”. This item can be broken down by [Berserker’s]stat grouping [Duelist’s Coat]item name [of the Traveler]rune. I would propose displaying item name ONLY. So for this item, Duelist’s Coat.

DEBUNKING
– it encourages elitism (gear score)
This seems to be the big one. With just the name of the item, there’s no way to tell what stats or runes are on it and thus no way to exclude people based on gear. Also, not having an inspect feature doesn’t stop this from happening. If I really wanted to exclude people based on gear, I still can. I can ask for the links before I invite then to a group. This, by the way, has already happened to me. So I’d assume it’s happened to others.

- it discourages socialization
You could argue this, but really are the micro-discussions that big of socialization? Is “What’s your shirt?” “Duelist’s Coat.” “Thanks.” a meaningful conversation? No. Honestly, I find it annoying. Also, if the curious person still wants to ask them where they got the item instead of searching the internet, they still can.

- it isn’t necessary
This is true of any quality of life feature. It’s not necessary, it’s just a nice addition to have. As such, this should be at the bottom of ANet’s to do list with all the other QoL changes. But it is needed. If I ask someone what their gear is there is a large variety of reasons they couldn’t respond: anywhere from being AFK, to just not wanting to answer. From there it could take quite a lot of searching, with just an image alone, to try and find exactly what armor or weapon they had.

I agree with your points, anyone that disagrees is simply immature. +1

Brewergamer.8357:

I agree with your points, anyone that disagrees is simply immature. +1

I disagree with you, anyone that agrees is simply stupid. -1

It’s like you didn’t read my post at all

- "This is true of any quality of life feature. It’s not necessary, it’s just a nice addition to have. As such, this should be at the bottom of ANet’s to do list with all the other QoL changes. "
tl;dr
It should be at the bottom of their list of changes

- “If I ask someone what their gear is there is a large variety of reasons they couldn’t respond: anywhere from being AFK, to just not wanting to answer. From there it could take quite a lot of searching, with just an image alone, to try and find exactly what armor or weapon they had.”
tl;dr
There are instances where you can’t ask someone, or are ignored.

- You also didn’t answer me as to how you could profile someone from name alone.

Why do we need inspect if the game is skill based?

Hope I answered your question

soulwblood.1529:

Why do we need inspect if the game is skill based?

Hope I answered your question

A good opinion, but there seem to be a lot of people interested in finding out what piece of armor someone is wearing without having to bother them. Just so they know which piece corresponds to a look they like. Like I said, this would be something for the bottom of the to-do list.

I wouldn’t mind a limited “Inspect” feature like Lysserd is proposing. No, the lack of one isn’t game-breaking. I just think it might be interesting.

BrunoBRS.5178:

ANet, like any company, has limited resources, and most people would rather see those resources spent on better things than something that can be replaced by “hey what armor is that?”

While I agree with you that your statement about ANet having limited resources for development is true, I also think it’s kind of a moot point when you consider that not everyone is going to agree what those “better things” are.

Meaning that if you were to come up with a list of features you, personally, would like to see in the game, there are going to be people who will disagree with you for the exact same reason you are giving Lysserd (limited resources). If we expect the community to be unanimous about a feature before it can be implemented, then we will never see any new features at all.

Therefore, it makes sense for people to continue to advocate for what features they would like to see implemented and let ANet sort it out. I’m not at all saying people shouldn’t voice the opinion that they’d rather see resources devoted to other features. I’m just gently suggesting it might be more effective to spend more time advocating for the specific features we want rather than tearing down the ideas we don’t.

I have nothing against Inspect as long as it only shows the base item – no quality, no upgrades, no stats.

So if I got an Exotic “Berserker’s Barbaric Glove of Balthazar”, you only see a white “Barbaric Glove”.

Any means to extract stat information should be avoided.
Checking the name/appearance of gear is fine.

DavidGX.1723:

Lysserd.4618:

It’s like you didn’t read my post at all

We’ve read your post, because the same things have been posted a hundred times already. This is nothing new. A bad suggestion that is completely unfit for this game. If you want to know what gear someone has, ask them. If they don’t answer, then oh well, try someone else or look it up. Inspecting is an absolutely terrible idea for this game now and it will still be an absolutely terrible idea for this game after the next 100 “PLS GIVE US INSPECT” posts.

It’s perfectly fine to not like it, but please don’t act like you’re responding to my posts if you’re not actually responding to anything I wrote in them. I would suggest you read the post right above yours. I want it, you don’t. We have both made our points clear. Now ANet decides.

I agree with your specific suggestion, Lysserd.
I’ll just add that the quality of the item should not be displayed either.
The name would always be white, regardless of whether it’s exotic, masterwork, etc.

Lysserd.4618:

DavidGX.1723:

Lysserd.4618:

It’s like you didn’t read my post at all

We’ve read your post, because the same things have been posted a hundred times already. This is nothing new. A bad suggestion that is completely unfit for this game. If you want to know what gear someone has, ask them. If they don’t answer, then oh well, try someone else or look it up. Inspecting is an absolutely terrible idea for this game now and it will still be an absolutely terrible idea for this game after the next 100 “PLS GIVE US INSPECT” posts.

It’s perfectly fine to not like it, but please don’t act like you’re responding to my posts if you’re not actually responding to anything I wrote in them. I would suggest you read the post right above yours. I want it, you don’t. We have both made our points clear. Now ANet decides.

I’ve responded to your comment from many other people, what you’re saying is no different. The same bad idea repeated with the wording slightly different. I don’t see why you don’t understand that everything you want is already in the game.

minbariguy.7504:

I wouldn’t mind a limited “Inspect” feature like Lysserd is proposing. No, the lack of one isn’t game-breaking. I just think it might be interesting.

BrunoBRS.5178:

ANet, like any company, has limited resources, and most people would rather see those resources spent on better things than something that can be replaced by “hey what armor is that?”

While I agree with you that your statement about ANet having limited resources for development is true, I also think it’s kind of a moot point when you consider that not everyone is going to agree what those “better things” are.

Meaning that if you were to come up with a list of features you, personally, would like to see in the game, there are going to be people who will disagree with you for the exact same reason you are giving Lysserd (limited resources). If we expect the community to be unanimous about a feature before it can be implemented, then we will never see any new features at all.

Therefore, it makes sense for people to continue to advocate for what features they would like to see implemented and let ANet sort it out. I’m not at all saying people shouldn’t voice the opinion that they’d rather see resources devoted to other features. I’m just gently suggesting it might be more effective to spend more time advocating for the specific features we want rather than tearing down the ideas we don’t.

i believe ANet knows what should be done first. i don’t believe my suggestions are factually of higher priority than someone else’s.

i just believe that inspecting is a very pointless, redundant feature, and that if TC knows it’s something that should be at the bottom of their priorities list, then this topic shouldn’t be brought up over and over again (TC, after all, acknowledges that there have been numerous other topics on the subject already).

Nurvus.2891:

I agree with your specific suggestion, Lysserd.
I’ll just add that the quality of the item should not be displayed either.
The name would always be white, regardless of whether it’s exotic, masterwork, etc.

Do any items have the same name, but different looks, across qualities? If that’s true, that would be the only reason to keep quality color.

Lysserd.4618:

Nurvus.2891:

I agree with your specific suggestion, Lysserd.
I’ll just add that the quality of the item should not be displayed either.
The name would always be white, regardless of whether it’s exotic, masterwork, etc.

Do any items have the same name, but different looks, across qualities? If that’s true, that would be the only reason to keep quality color.

sort of.

ignoring the fact that you can transmute stuff, there are two completely different medium armor sets known as “duelist” sets. one is low level, the other is high level.

I find it intrusive. As long as there is an opt out button, knock yourselves out.

The other day I practically completed Sorrow’s Furnace on my own while the rest of the team kept dying over and over because they… well, let’s just say they didn’t heed my words.

I had just Fine gear, and I’m sure they didn’t as I recognized the exotic skins.

I’d like to be able to still do things like that.

An inspect would prevent me from that, as there’s lots of guys that would judge me by my gear instead by my performance.

Yes please, This is easier for me to know who to kick out. I hate players that doesn’t use gear that isn’t their level.

Also, I want to know who is wearing MF gear. They are leechers and do not contribute to anything.

aliquis.9180:

I find it intrusive. As long as there is an opt out button, knock yourselves out.

Interesting, why would you find my aforementioned version of inspect intrusive?

Some players have the illusion that whatever combination of gear models is super hard to figure out.
Everything to protect our special snowflakeness

I see no harm in offering an opt-out option along with he introduction of “item name-only inspection”.

runeblade.7514:

Yes please, This is easier for me to know who to kick out. I hate players that doesn’t use gear that isn’t their level.

Also, I want to know who is wearing MF gear. They are leechers and do not contribute to anything.

Ahh, so this is the instance in which you can still enforce elitism. Gear level. The inner turmoil …. As much as I hate the elitism, like gear score, would knowing the item level really be a bad thing. Now I must ponder.

runeblade.7514:

Yes please, This is easier for me to know who to kick out. I hate players that doesn’t use gear that isn’t their level.

Also, I want to know who is wearing MF gear. They are leechers and do not contribute to anything.

This is the perfect example of why inspect should be nowhere near this game, no matter how much detail it shows. I’m perfectly happy to tell anyone where to get the gear I’m wearing and have never had a problem when I asked someone else, it’s not needed.

I just want an inspect system that allows me to see what skins a player is currently using, because i feel rude asking another player what sword skin #5538 is called.

If they had a more universal system to identify what skin is used on a piece of equipment, I’d be interesting for when you want to find out what a player has but don’t want to bother the player by asking or if they don’t answer. I’d see it being useful outside of that though, unless skins get an overhaul in categorizing and naming/identification, its kind of pointless.

runeblade.7514:

Yes please, This is easier for me to know who to kick out. I hate players that doesn’t use gear that isn’t their level.

Also, I want to know who is wearing MF gear. They are leechers and do not contribute to anything.

You asked why people dont want inspect in the game? Well the quote above explains it perfectly. Silly elitist attitudes from people who base everything on gear selection.

I actually find that the inspection really doesn’t even matter one cent in GW2, maybe in WoW or other games that needed you to have the latest and greatest armor a full inspect is usable for elitist, but here where the biggest factor is skill and knoledge of how to manipulate npc’s, all you need is level appropriate armor. Specific stats only matter for organized runs where its likely you already know these people and what they run. If you find someone wasn’t pulling their weight, kick em, don’t scream for their stats.
Unfortunately bringing inspection would encourage elitism, but a more pathetic version of it where they can’t handle much. On the bright side at least we know who the elitist are and to stay away from them or join them if you are into that kind of thing.

I currently use low level armor skins that have been transmuted with level 80 stats, because I really like the look on some of them. Although there is a good chance that someone with certain named gear would have it be at it’s original level, there is still a chance that it isn’t.

No. It’s not necessary and only creates trouble and elitist behaviors.
And if you want to know what that good looking piece of gear someone wears is, why not just ask him, you know, communicating with other players… you may even make a few friends in the process

Korrigan.4837:

No. It’s not necessary and only creates trouble and elitist behaviors.
And if you want to know what that good looking piece of gear someone wears is, why not just ask him, you know, communicating with other players… you may even make a few friends in the process

^^THIS^^

I had a good conversation with someone the other day who only wanted to know about the armour I was wearing. We are now friends. See communication does have lots of benifits. If inspect was in the game he would have never spoken to me and we wouldnt have known we had stuff in common and enjoyed each others sense of humour.

I’ve made quite a many friends and aquaintences fromt hose short convo’s as if you are a friendly sort, people keep talking to you.

The only real thing this game needs is a server wide LFG channel for dungeouns. Not a kitten tool, just a serverwide chat channel. TALKING to people is so much more rewarding than leaving things up to a computer.

People don’t want others to find out they are running around in Magic Find gear.

Vahn.9728:

People don’t want others to find out they are running around in Magic Find gear.

People dont need to hide it. If you cant complete a dungeon with it on then face facts. You aint as pro as you try to maintain you are.

runeblade.7514:

Yes please, This is easier for me to know who to kick out. I hate players that doesn’t use gear that isn’t their level.

Also, I want to know who is wearing MF gear. They are leechers and do not contribute to anything.

Exactly the reason(s) why inspect would be a bad thing. It would just make the elitists like this person here even more egocentric than they are already. Not to mention it gives them an excuse to blame others for their own incompetence in failing to complete dungeons.

It’s also the reason why I want a solo option for dungeons (though set at 10 levels higher for increased difficulty), so I don’t have to put up with these elitists in my group. I’ve dealt with enough of them in the past who have demanded I link all my gear despite the fact I’m the one heading the group and couldn’t give a toss about MF items or gear choice. Competency is all that matters to me.