Guild Wars 2

oh, and did i mention the time wasted? see, the dailies are done, i won’t go into a dungeon while in queue … i can only gather so much before i am sick of doing THAT. what i wanna do is be working on one of my other characters, but no! i must have this last poi!!! so i can’t get on any other character, while i’m waiting. yep. map completion including wvw is, imo, not a great idea.

thanks, guys. really.

Isende.2607:

oh, and did i mention the time wasted? see, the dailies are done, i won’t go into a dungeon while in queue … i can only gather so much before i am sick of doing THAT. what i wanna do is be working on one of my other characters, but no! i must have this last poi!!! so i can’t get on any other character, while i’m waiting. yep. map completion including wvw is, imo, not a great idea.

thanks, guys. really.

No it’s not. However anything that can be added to help speed the PvE’ers along would probably help WvW’ers out don’t you think? The less time they spend in WvW means that more people who want to WvW can get in.

But yes, it would just make a whole lot more sense to not have WvW maps count for PvE map completion. It’s just not very likely to happen so those of us who hate WvW and do not want to go there are trying to come up with something that would cater to those like us with as little chance for abuse as possible. Even if it all it proves to ANet is that it’s best to just remove WvW maps from map completion.

Been There. Done That. has never been, nor ever should be a PvE achievement. Until you actually go and complete the WvW maps, you most certainly have not Been There, or Done That.

allstick.1405:

Been There. Done That. has never been, nor ever should be a PvE achievement. Until you actually go and complete the WvW maps, you most certainly have not Been There, or Done That.

How can you call it not a PvE achievement when it’s a vast majority of it is in PvE environments except the very small portion that’s in WvW?

I’m not saying that the PoI’s, Vistas, etc should be removed from WvW.

Just split it into PvE Map Completion and WvW Map Completion. PvE Map Completion gives the reward that goes towards the legendary. WvW Map Completion gives some reward that would be highly desirable for WvW.

i would remove it completely, or perhaps change all the vista’s to places everyone can access, and make it so the poi’s can be obtained by waking up to the structure, not having to enter.

on another note, makming a toggle that would make you completely invincible would be RIDICULOUS, all it would take it one person to just sit in the capture point, and it could never be taken…….., not to menton invincible zergs ^^

Seera.5916:

How can you call it not a PvE achievement when it’s a vast majority of it is in PvE environments except the very small portion that’s in WvW?

And then i ask you how can you call it a PvE ONLY achivement when the fact is that is does indeed include ALL the WvW maps?

normally I would agree with the OP, but I’ve Been There, Done That and nothing beats the feeling of gathering a force of 30 people to help you capture the keep where the very last PoI is

THAT is what made 100% completion for me

if the title was about map exploration only, it wouldn’t include Hearts and Skill Points.

that said, I had to rush with my lvl15 (at the time) Guardian to complete all the WvWvW maps while we held 99% of them

GummiBear.2756:

Seera.5916:

How can you call it not a PvE achievement when it’s a vast majority of it is in PvE environments except the very small portion that’s in WvW?

And then i ask you how can you call it a PvE ONLY achivement when the fact is that is does indeed include ALL the WvW maps?

I didn’t call it one and if I did it was either a mistype by myself or part of a suggestion that I was making. I do believe at one point I did suggest splitting the achievement into two acheivements. One a PvE only achievement, one a WvW only achievement.

If it was the mistype, I do apologize for it.

I agree…something needs to be done. I never have, nor will I ever be a wvw player. I’m only there for map completion.

I play a sylvari necro and am constantly turned into a sticky paste by roving bands of players from the other teams. It’s obvious I’m mapping when I’m standing on a vista and yet I’m yanked down and turned into pesto.

Why not a cartographers tonic available through the gem shop? While under the influence you can’t rat out/ spy on the other teams as you would be unable to communicate. You would not be able to participate in combat. You’re simply there to map and deal with the hostile npcs.

It’s extremely frustrating to try and get the mapping finished. Either the map is under the control of the other team(s) or if it is available you can’t get onto the island to snag the poi/vista/skill point due to population limits.

The wvw players resent the presence of the pve mappers…well, I don’t want to be in wvw either. ^ ^

The Angle of Deth.2985:

Why not a cartographers tonic available through the gem shop? While under the influence you can’t rat out/ spy on the other teams as you would be unable to communicate. You would not be able to participate in combat. You’re simply there to map and deal with the hostile npcs.

How would you prevent that? you would ahve to disable bot /t, /m, /s, /w, /g to totally prevent it though ingame means and even if you do taht there is out of game voice communication like TS, vent, mumble, etc or even jsut chant out of game like on steam, xfire, MSN etc. So the only way to truely be not able to spy on enemy would be if your screen turned black while doing it… which kinda ruin the whole point anyway…

Okay…so let’s say that a cartographer’s tonic made the user a fourth team, say white flag team. The tonic user being a white flag team member would not be able to read red, blue, or green team chats. No intel is given away.

The Angle of Deth.2985:

Okay…so let’s say that a cartographer’s tonic made the user a fourth team, say white flag team. The tonic user being a white flag team member would not be able to read red, blue, or green team chats. No intel is given away.

You don’t get intel from reading chats, you get intel from looking with your own eyes and reporting what you see to your guild/voice chat of choice.

example: I drink a tonic, become white, and shadow the movements of the enemy and report back to my guild/server alliance exactly where they are going and what they are doing. They can’t stop me, I am flagged unkillable, I laugh as they try.
Someone said make it so while tagged you can’t go within certain radius of fortifications. Thats not a solution either, lots of area can be sat upon to watch troop movements without getting near fortifications. I don’t need to stand at a gate to see people come out it and head a certain direction.

Catisa.6507:

The Angle of Deth.2985:

Okay…so let’s say that a cartographer’s tonic made the user a fourth team, say white flag team. The tonic user being a white flag team member would not be able to read red, blue, or green team chats. No intel is given away.

You don’t get intel from reading chats, you get intel from looking with your own eyes and reporting what you see to your guild/voice chat of choice.

example: I drink a tonic, become white, and shadow the movements of the enemy and report back to my guild/server alliance exactly where they are going and what they are doing. They can’t stop me, I am flagged unkillable, I laugh as they try.
Someone said make it so while tagged you can’t go within certain radius of fortifications. Thats not a solution either, lots of area can be sat upon to watch troop movements without getting near fortifications. I don’t need to stand at a gate to see people come out it and head a certain direction.

Well whats to stop you doing that right now? I see in chat while in WvW people reporting enemy movements all the time. I don’t see ur point and frankly you’re making too much of it imo. People who want to explore the map aren’t interested in spying on anyone, they just want the job done.

Perhaps there’s a record of people playing regular WvW and perhaps they cannot use the features give to explorers? I don’t know, there’s a lot of interesting suggestions here, but imo having the flagging system and keeping ppl away form enemy forts while flag is on, makes most sense to me and it’s a least complicated suggestion.

Catisa.6507:

The Angle of Deth.2985:

Okay…so let’s say that a cartographer’s tonic made the user a fourth team, say white flag team. The tonic user being a white flag team member would not be able to read red, blue, or green team chats. No intel is given away.

You don’t get intel from reading chats, you get intel from looking with your own eyes and reporting what you see to your guild/voice chat of choice.

example: I drink a tonic, become white, and shadow the movements of the enemy and report back to my guild/server alliance exactly where they are going and what they are doing. They can’t stop me, I am flagged unkillable, I laugh as they try.
Someone said make it so while tagged you can’t go within certain radius of fortifications. Thats not a solution either, lots of area can be sat upon to watch troop movements without getting near fortifications. I don’t need to stand at a gate to see people come out it and head a certain direction.

Well how do you know a little espionage isn’t already happening?

A large guild could front a player gems/gold to do a transfer and voila! Intel.

There’s always a way to cheat if that’s the sort of player you are.

As a player who enjoys the PVE portion of this game, I think it’s unfair that I am forced to go into WvWvW to get 100% world map completion. I’ve been waiting for over a month and a half to get those last few POIs and Vistas that I need for map completion. Every Friday I look forward to server reset only to find out that we own the same part of the map and go against the same servers. As if the whole PVE map isn’t enough, I’m depending on my whole server to own parts of borderlands that I need in order to complete the map. To get an achievement and reward in the part of the game that I love and enjoy, I have to do the part of the game that I hate. I understand that WvWvW is a big part of this game, but so is sPVP and we’re not forced into it to complete the map. I know a lot of people who feel the same way I do, and we all worked hard to complete 98% of the map only to get stuck at those last 10 points of interest. I hope that I won’t have to spend my gold to transfer to another server, because right now it seems like the only option for me.

I agree with Lucia 100%.

I agree with Lucia 100% as well

I agree, I never intend to do map completion, as I have zero interest in pvp.

I doubt this will be changed, so I have just worked on the assumptuion I won’t do it.

Why not let players buy the world completion credit from the trading post like (almost) every other part of the legendary weapon, or even the weapon itself?