Guild Wars 2

Ogre.1750:

saiyr.3071:

What have you done, Ogre, what have you done!!

This picture confirms that the GW2 Thug for Life is very in touch with his X chromosome….

Such delusion 0_o

DevonCarver.5370:

Equinox.4195:

So, in regards to GvG and openfield, I don’t see a lot of “rampant speculation” going on. If nothing else, you chose your words poorly. The complaints about this new system potentially killing the GvG scene is entirely grounded.

This forum and this topic in particular are about WvW. WvW is about sieging and controlling objectives and about open field combat. All our changes are with that totality in mind and will continue to be.

Spectators: best thing is having them take away their weapons or directly use costume/city clothes. This will take away the “forgot to turn off auto and trow fireballs at guilds”. Spectator sometimes do aggro and kill boars respawning in the middle of the fight tho. Might be a nice idea to have “stranger specators” stay w/o weapons/armor, and the every team field a extra man or two or their guild taking care of those mobs if needed. Same goes for cleaning opponent’s stacks or ressing allies.
In other words, adding a couple of guildies (they wouldn’t be hard to have even for smaller guilds cause they’re not actively needed for the match so can be “random guys”) from both parts to do those couple of jobs done atm by random spectators.

Orbs: surely we’ll have to watch closely the kind of buff it’s going to be attached to them. Also, another issue might be the aquisition now changed from orbs to “something” else.
First: buff to MF/Gold Find/Karma/WXP and such would be the ideal thing – both from a wvw balancing standpoint (snowball the zergiest server moar?) and for gvg’s (no actual stat buffs → no unbalance). Otherwise that would be a real issue. Either both servers gvg’ing leaves orbs to third server (and if you challenge a guild on the third server right after first gvg? And if there are 2 gvg at same time with all the servers involved?), but that would make gvg’s even harder to pull off, cause you have to add “orb management” on top of all the already existing agreement. And also the rest of a given server might not be so nice to hand over a orb for the sake of a balanced gvg for one of their guilds. Other option would be 1 orb each for every server – but the problem is always there, and also action in wvw doesn’t stop so you could actually get orb buff added/removed while gvg is running…not cool.
Second: Devon said that the mechanic of orbs are gonna change. Actually, there aren’t orbs anymore. If the new system makes the “orbs”…untredeable or flippable at will….then even if you could actually agree with other server to manage/hand off orbs for balance the stat buff, it might not be possible to do anymore.

All that said, the request of giving a in-game structure to this mode from Anet still stands.

I don’t think that, despise those updates and quotes, they disagree/ignore gvg. They hold the game, if they really didn’t want you to gvg they could just delete/fill that area behind windmill, at any time. The issue is that at this rate of developing of wvw, by the time we might have something all guild will already have left this game.

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Jinks.2057:

This picture confirms that the GW2 Thug for Life is very in touch with his X chromosome….

You dont get my Troll 2 reference? Omg im underwhelmed… i was actually killing two birds with one stone :P You leave me no choice but to remove your scholarship, your titles and your lands. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.

On another note, the episode is looking beefy as kitten, expect a SHOW with capital letters this Saturday, ladies and gents o/

EDIT- Jokes aside, the idea to be able to turn buffs of is simply genius, ill make sure to insist on this in ep7 addendums. You made it kid. Also the GvG forums, its like youre on fire man.

Ogre.1750:

Jinks.2057:

This picture confirms that the GW2 Thug for Life is very in touch with his X chromosome….

You dont get my Troll 2 reference? Omg im underwhelmed… i was actually killing two birds with one stone :P You leave me no choice but to remove your scholarship, your titles and your lands. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.

On another note, the episode is looking beefy as kitten, expect a SHOW with capital letters this Saturday, ladies and gents o/

EDIT- Jokes aside, the idea to be able to turn buffs of is simply genius, ill make sure to insist on this in ep7 addendums. You made it kid. Also the GvG forums, its like youre on fire man.

OMG im so sorry where are my manners?!?!

Completely forgot Troll2 just released in your home town….

Forgive me.

Also it will be forever known now as the Jinks Check before all matches

Also getting GvG section in Ebay Forums hopefully…

Any way we can have an interview with “Thesilentflute” on the next episode of GvG Showdown?

0_o …..lol …..-_-

Ogre.1750:

Jinks.2057:

Ask for option to turn off orb bonuses ala commander tags

This not only solves GvG but FC duels as well.

Now get me my GvG forums

Do everything this man asks you to do. He seems a gentleman and a scholar.

Oh no. Oh god no.

ParaldaWind.4523:

Ogre.1750:

Jinks.2057:

Ask for option to turn off orb bonuses ala commander tags

This not only solves GvG but FC duels as well.

Now get me my GvG forums

Do everything this man asks you to do. He seems a gentleman and a scholar.

Oh no. Oh god no.

Yes…..THAT just happened

Thesilentflute.8761:

Such delusion 0_o

DevonCarver.5370:

Equinox.4195:

So, in regards to GvG and openfield, I don’t see a lot of “rampant speculation” going on. If nothing else, you chose your words poorly. The complaints about this new system potentially killing the GvG scene is entirely grounded.

This forum and this topic in particular are about WvW. WvW is about sieging and controlling objectives and about open field combat. All our changes are with that totality in mind and will continue to be.

Bolded for emphasis…

If the orbs will give stat boosts, maybe it’s an idea to move to the JP for the GvGs? It’s probably not as convenient as behind the mill as there’s less space, but there might be a few locations there that would do, and as it’s a seperate map neither of the guilds should be getting any of the stat bonuses.

To those people saying “go to the JP, problem solved” show me a spot in the jumping puzzle with enough room for 40 combatants + spectators, please.

Okaishi.8320:

If the orbs will give stat boosts, maybe it’s an idea to move to the JP for the GvGs? It’s probably not as convenient as behind the mill as there’s less space, but there might be a few locations there that would do, and as it’s a seperate map neither of the guilds should be getting any of the stat bonuses.

It depends if the stat boost is WvW-wide, or map specific. There are actually a few spots in the EBG JP that might work for GvG if it came for that. Not as big as the windmill area though. Honestly the terrain there would make for some interesting fights that would encourage guilds to think more “tactically” about where/how they engaged.

The biggest problem with this is that EBG is usually the first map to queue, thus making it hard to get into the JP sometimes.

Wompage.4586:

To those people saying “go the JP, problem solved” show me a spot in the jumping puzzle with enough room for 40 combatants + spectators, please.

There are a couple places that you could probably have a 20v20, and there are some high spots out of the way that the spectators could stand. I’ll do some scouting in there this weekend and see if I can find anything good.

Also, maybe abandoning the “flat, even terrain” could be good for GvG. Fighting in the ruins while having to deal with cover, terrain, etc, could make for some very interesting fights.

Wompage.4586:

To those people saying “go to the JP, problem solved” show me a spot in the jumping puzzle with enough room for 40 combatants + spectators, please.

I don’t want to move to the JP, but I did find a decent 20v20 spot. Right after the dome where mesmers normally port, there’s a pretty large open area. Bigger than the windmill area, I think.

Hickeroar.9734:

Also, maybe abandoning the “flat, even terrain” could be good for GvG. Fighting in the ruins while having to deal with cover, terrain, etc, could make for some very interesting fights.

It needs to be even, no matter what side you start from though.

Wompage.4586:

Hickeroar.9734:

Also, maybe abandoning the “flat, even terrain” could be good for GvG. Fighting in the ruins while having to deal with cover, terrain, etc, could make for some very interesting fights.

It needs to be even, no matter what side you start from though.

Sorry, even as in “fair,” yes, absolutely.

Even as in “square and (mostly) flat” just happens to be the present meta, but that doesn’t mean it has to be that way.

Hickeroar.9734:

Wompage.4586:

Hickeroar.9734:

Also, maybe abandoning the “flat, even terrain” could be good for GvG. Fighting in the ruins while having to deal with cover, terrain, etc, could make for some very interesting fights.

It needs to be even, no matter what side you start from though.

Sorry, even as in “fair,” yes, absolutely.

Even as in “square and (mostly) flat” just happens to be the present meta, but that doesn’t mean it has to be that way.

I mean 1 side can’t have an advantage based on which side they choose to start from. Thats what I mean by even.

Wompage.4586:

Hickeroar.9734:

Wompage.4586:

Hickeroar.9734:

Also, maybe abandoning the “flat, even terrain” could be good for GvG. Fighting in the ruins while having to deal with cover, terrain, etc, could make for some very interesting fights.

It needs to be even, no matter what side you start from though.

Sorry, even as in “fair,” yes, absolutely.

Even as in “square and (mostly) flat” just happens to be the present meta, but that doesn’t mean it has to be that way.

I mean 1 side can’t have an advantage based on which side they choose to start from. Thats what I mean by even.

Righto. I agree. One would argue that the current windmill arena is not entirely “fair” in that regard, so I think we could shoot for at least that level of “fair” and be fine.

I don’t have a problem with hazards, terrain, and structures though, as long as (as you said) the starting positions don’t give an advantage. I personally think that kind of fighting could be fun. It’s at least something to think about anyway….?

Hickeroar.9734:

Wompage.4586:

Hickeroar.9734:

Wompage.4586:

Hickeroar.9734:

Also, maybe abandoning the “flat, even terrain” could be good for GvG. Fighting in the ruins while having to deal with cover, terrain, etc, could make for some very interesting fights.

It needs to be even, no matter what side you start from though.

Sorry, even as in “fair,” yes, absolutely.

Even as in “square and (mostly) flat” just happens to be the present meta, but that doesn’t mean it has to be that way.

I mean 1 side can’t have an advantage based on which side they choose to start from. Thats what I mean by even.

Righto. I agree. One would argue that the current windmill arena is not entirely “fair” in that regard, so I think we could shoot for at least that level of “fair” and be fine.

I don’t have a problem with hazards, terrain, and structures though, as long as (as you said) the starting positions don’t give an advantage. I personally think that kind of fighting could be fun. It’s at least something to think about anyway….?

To balance it out, we could have the starting sides rotate.

The proposed rules suggest an odd number of matches, so that would be an issue.

saiyr.3071:

The proposed rules suggest an odd number of matches, so that would be an issue.

That’s a good point. I’m not sure, then.

I think there would have to be lots of trial runs in any given location that was chosen so we could determine if it’s fair. Teams switching sides, etc. I don’t think anyone would be willing to just permit a new location without any real trial period and lots of scrimmages.

Hickeroar.9734:

I think there would have to be lots of trial runs in any given location that was chosen so we could determine if it’s fair. Teams switching sides, etc. I don’t think anyone would be willing to just permit a new location without any real trial period and lots of scrimmages.

I think that’s fair. I played comp Tribes Ascend, and some maps weren’t symmetrical, and it lead to some fun strategies. Certain sides were better for certain group comps, and people switched it up based on what they rolled. I’d like to see something like that for GvGs.

I really wanna see that spot your talked about in the JP. If you’re able, can you take a few screenshots from different angles and locations? There’s also an area to the north of the spawn area that might work. I’ll have to scout that out. A lot easier to get to…

I think the place he’s talking about has a lot of unsteady ground that requires jumping for straight line movement.

saiyr.3071:

I think the place he’s talking about has a lot of unsteady ground that requires jumping for straight line movement.

No, it’s pretty flat. It’s basically right underneath the chest, at the very bottom. If you assume that the water is level 0, this is basically level 1. Then level 2 is above it, with level 3 being the chest at the end. It’s beside the random stairs that go nowhere.

There are a few places where you get stuck autorunning, I think, but they’re pretty few. If I could get in game now I’d go there and take screenshots.

Has anyone taken into account that if you get blown off the cliff you’re out of the match?

Oh and my apologies to Lion, the leaderboard has been fixed.

MartyPartys.9187:

Has anyone taken into account that if you get blown off the cliff you’re out of the match?

Oh and my apologies to Lion, the leaderboard has been fixed.

It’s far enough away from the cliff that I think it wouldn’t be a problem.

Also, unrelated, I’m really looking forward to your changes to the GvG site!

MartyPartys.9187:

Has anyone taken into account that if you get blown off the cliff you’re out of the match?

Oh and my apologies to Lion, the leaderboard has been fixed.

Occupational Hazard :-P

The problem with “interesting terrain” is it becomes too much about that specific spot and developing strategies for that mode. Which takes focus off the guilds comp working together and how well they actually fight as one.

Its kinda like the emerging argument of 15v15 vs 20v20. In 15v15 you have certain builds and strategies that are specifically for that format but they wouldnt work in open field WvW. In 20v20 your closely replicating how 2 guilds would square off in open field but with the format of a competitive balanced fight, which some would say is closer to the essence of what GvG is supposed to do.

Its really important that we try and remain true to the goal as the scene progresses, or decide if we even want to be.

just ma 2cp

^ Also a good point. I think 5 and 10 man GvGs could easily find a place in the JP for their matches. If this spot in the JP turns out to be “even” and “fair” we can test it out with 15v15 and 20v20 scrimmages. I’ll try to get on tonight and make some videos before reset and see what people think. (assuming I can get a port up there)

Something with the JP that needs to be considered, is how “out of the way” it is. The further the better. Part of what makes the windmill good, is that you wont get stumbled upon by somebody trying to get to the camp etc

So uh, is it bad that I never noticed individual match views could display group comps? That’s pretty cool. Not that anyone uses it, I guess.

saiyr.3071:

So uh, is it bad that I never noticed individual match views could display group comps? That’s pretty cool. Not that anyone uses it, I guess.

I think I used it once. Maybe.

EDIT: Yep.

http://www.gw2gvg.com/match.php?id=438

Nice! I kind of wish more people did it, but I guess there are worries about people trying hard counters in GvG.

MartyPartys.9187:

Has anyone taken into account that if you get blown off the cliff you’re out of the match?

Oh and my apologies to Lion, the leaderboard has been fixed.

Are you still working on it? Under the merged rankings tab Man Eaters [Lion] guild is still #1. I note they are gone from the EU ranking tab.

If you go down the steps at the start and to your left there is a large square room where no one will interrupt people often hold duels there. I am sure you could have allot of fun in any number of the other areas though. Like the room just past the falling rocks or the darkroom for hard mode.

saiyr.3071:

So uh, is it bad that I never noticed individual match views could display group comps? That’s pretty cool. Not that anyone uses it, I guess.

It’s something I wanted to try out if people would use it, unfortunatly it’s almost never used so it won’t come back on the new website.

problematic.9623:

Are you still working on it? Under the merged rankings tab Man Eaters [Lion] guild is still #1. I note they are gone from the EU ranking tab.

Has been fixed now.

So the livestream turned into everyone watching spamming chat asking for a comment on GvG. They were completely ignored. It was literally an entire chat pane filled with “GvG” over and over. Then ANet started muting people who were asking about GvG. I asked three times over five minutes and was muted for 10 minutes.

Instead we get orb capture points. Lovely. Something no one asked for and no one wants. The center of the borderlands map will now turn into a 24/7 endless small-scale brawl. Too bad we already have sPvP for that….

Way to completely ignore your community. So irritated right now.

MartyPartys.9187:

saiyr.3071:

So uh, is it bad that I never noticed individual match views could display group comps? That’s pretty cool. Not that anyone uses it, I guess.

It’s something I wanted to try out if people would use it, unfortunatly it’s almost never used so it won’t come back on the new website.

Was it a visibility issue? I mean like I said, I just now discovered it, haha. I had never clicked on the eye icon before today…

Edit: ^^ to be fair they did say to stay on topic with presented material. I’m not surprised they ignored it.

Hickeroar.9734:

So the livestream turned into everyone watching spamming chat asking for a comment on GvG. They were completely ignored. It was literally an entire chat pane filled with “GvG” over and over. Then ANet started muting people who were asking about GvG. I asked three times over five minutes and was muted for 10 minutes.

Instead we get orb capture points. Lovely. Something no one asked for and no one wants. The center of the borderlands map will now turn into a 24/7 endless small-scale brawl. Too bad we already have sPvP for that….

Way to completely ignore your community. So irritated right now.

I laughed my kitten off, the admin was desperatly trying to delete all GvG comments but there were too many, then the word GvG got filtered and if you typed it you got banned for 6 minutes.

It’s sad, but quite funny. At least they can’t say they never heard anyone asking for it..

Oh and for the buffs, it’s going to be that your server has to hold 3/5 capping circles, so if you were going to GvG just let the 3rd server take all the points and it’s ok

MartyPartys.9187:

Hickeroar.9734:

So the livestream turned into everyone watching spamming chat asking for a comment on GvG. They were completely ignored. It was literally an entire chat pane filled with “GvG” over and over. Then ANet started muting people who were asking about GvG. I asked three times over five minutes and was muted for 10 minutes.

Instead we get orb capture points. Lovely. Something no one asked for and no one wants. The center of the borderlands map will now turn into a 24/7 endless small-scale brawl. Too bad we already have sPvP for that….

Way to completely ignore your community. So irritated right now.

I laughed my kitten off, the admin was desperatly trying to delete all GvG comments but there were too many, then the word GvG got filtered and if you typed it you got banned for 6 minutes.

It’s sad, but quite funny. At least they can’t say they never heard anyone asking for it..

Oh and for the buffs, it’s going to be that your server has to hold 3/5 capping circles, so if you were going to GvG just let the 3rd server take all the points and it’s ok

Griefers are never going to let this happen.

My mind is blown at how intentionally blind ANet is being on the GvG issue. People have been asking for it since beta. It was only a matter of time before it hit a fever pitch.

Did you catch if the buffs are map specific or WvW/game-world wide?

Hickeroar.9734:

MartyPartys.9187:

Hickeroar.9734:

So the livestream turned into everyone watching spamming chat asking for a comment on GvG. They were completely ignored. It was literally an entire chat pane filled with “GvG” over and over. Then ANet started muting people who were asking about GvG. I asked three times over five minutes and was muted for 10 minutes.

Instead we get orb capture points. Lovely. Something no one asked for and no one wants. The center of the borderlands map will now turn into a 24/7 endless small-scale brawl. Too bad we already have sPvP for that….

Way to completely ignore your community. So irritated right now.

I laughed my kitten off, the admin was desperatly trying to delete all GvG comments but there were too many, then the word GvG got filtered and if you typed it you got banned for 6 minutes.

It’s sad, but quite funny. At least they can’t say they never heard anyone asking for it..

Oh and for the buffs, it’s going to be that your server has to hold 3/5 capping circles, so if you were going to GvG just let the 3rd server take all the points and it’s ok

Griefers are never going to let this happen.

My mind is blown at how intentionally blind ANet is being on the GvG issue. People have been asking for it since beta. It was only a matter of time before it hit a fever pitch.

Did you catch if the buffs are map specific or WvW/game-world wide?

He never said.

While i agree it’s kitten that there still is no talk about a GvG feature when they clearly know that the community wants it badly (the chat during the stream was quite a sign i guess, and quite pathetic that they muted everyone asking for it).

If these new Capture points really turn into small scale fights and i mean 5 or below then i will definetly enjoy it a lot.

Hickeroar.9734:

So the livestream turned into everyone watching spamming chat asking for a comment on GvG. They were completely ignored. It was literally an entire chat pane filled with “GvG” over and over. Then ANet started muting people who were asking about GvG. I asked three times over five minutes and was muted for 10 minutes.

Instead we get orb capture points. Lovely. Something no one asked for and no one wants.

Way to completely ignore your community. So irritated right now.

That’s your own fault he is a WvW dev not a GvG developer. Spamming GvG doesn’t even ask a question its 3 letters.

GvG just came up recently in the WvW section you think anyone would have a response for you this soon? The best you would have probably gotten was “We have started discussing it” that’s the best you would have gotten.

This thread was created 5 days ago all that is going to happen is your going to keep getting frustrated because you demand answers Asap.

What did you even want answered? You want a new map for GvG only when there is a thread for debated rules on GvG in the first place. So you want arena net to read minds of what the established ruleset is for GvG’s?

You have to provide them with information it would probably require it’s own balance because I don’t see many rangers getting alot of play in GvG’s that would require the skills and balance teams to make is so that classes are viable in sPvP and GvG’s which essentially is organized team deathmatch in open field and PvE.

They can’t click a button and make it happen it’s going to take time frustration is understandable but you would have less frustration when you actually think about everything on their part to make something happen that they probably didn’t plan on.

Hickeroar.9734:

Did you catch if the buffs are map specific or WvW/game-world wide?

Most likely map specific as you have to hold 3/5 circles and there are 5 circles on the map he shows, so there must be 5 circles on every map.

oZii.2864:

Hickeroar.9734:

So the livestream turned into everyone watching spamming chat asking for a comment on GvG. They were completely ignored. It was literally an entire chat pane filled with “GvG” over and over. Then ANet started muting people who were asking about GvG. I asked three times over five minutes and was muted for 10 minutes.

Instead we get orb capture points. Lovely. Something no one asked for and no one wants.

Way to completely ignore your community. So irritated right now.

That’s your own fault he is a WvW dev not a GvG developer. Spamming GvG doesn’t even ask a question its 3 letters.

GvG just came up recently in the WvW section you think anyone would have a response for you this soon? The best you would have probably gotten was “We have started discussing it” that’s the best you would have gotten.

This thread was created 5 days ago all that is going to happen is your going to keep getting frustrated because you demand answers Asap.

What did you even want answered? You want a new map for GvG only when there is a thread for debated rules on GvG in the first place. So you want arena net to read mines of what the established ruleset is for GvG’s?

You have to provide them with the answers to your questions it would probably require it’s own balance because I don’t see many rangers getting alot of play in GvG’s that would require the skills and balance teams to make is so that classes are viable in conquest and GvG’s which essentially is organized team deathmatch in open field and PvE.

They can’t click a button and make it happen it’s going to take time frustration is understandable but you would have less frustration when you actually think about everything on their part to make something happen that they probably didn’t plan on.

GvG happens in WvW. People have been asking about it since beta, as I already said.

They created and released 9 fractals in TWO MONTHS. They create large amounts of content every two weeks that is released (including whole new zones). They have revamped and added a constant stream of features to the PvP arena (which they’re still blindly hoping will become an e-sport…..though there’s no chance at all that it will).

Don’t tell me they can’t add a simple GvG arena for people with far less effort than any of that took.