I just don’t understand the logic behind the GvG-critics.
Every guild doing GvGs (at least I know) , is playing WvW all the time.
But when they meet for 1 hour a day ( or god forbid 3 hours over 3 days) to do GvGs it’s destroying WvW? Are you sure? Really?
Edit: And believe me, we would love to have our own Arena or battlefield, to not even interfere with WvW stuff these 3 hours per week
I don’t understand people who hate GvGs. On Maguuma, pretty much everyone likes GvGs. I can’t think of a single guild that is anti-GvG, and the pugs probably have opinions too.
I can’t understand where the joy in fighting on ‘even’ terms is, the whole point of WvW is you can roll over singles, or you can get rolled over, and you don’t know when it’s going to happen.
I can tell you when it’s going to happen, without even looking.
I don’t want to see a bunch of people /bowing and /saluting each other in a big blob south of middle supply. Anytime I do see it I want to run in there and disrupt it, but I don’t because I’m not a griefer. You guys enjoy it. I can’t understand where the joy in fighting on ‘even’ terms is, the whole point of WvW is you can roll over singles, or you can get rolled over, and you don’t know when it’s going to happen. That’s the excitement, that’s the joy. Tearing down the mighty walls of a keep, and consuming the pitiful fools clinging to their arrow carts. Or having it done to you, wondering where your allies are as you try to hold that tower against immosible odds for one…more…tick. Perhaps I am just the target audience for the WvW design, but I know I am not the only person who feels this way.
GvG is fun for those who like it, I do not doubt that. I wish there was a place for you all to fight that didn’t interfere with WvW.
The joy of fighting on even terms is that some people want sport. Even terms allows proof of skill. Call it kitten or whatever you want but being competitive is in human nature, and mild regulations let you know exactly who won without dispute.
Even if you hate GvG happening in WvW, understand that we’re not all that fond of it either, and we’d love a place to do it that doesn’t interfere with WvW. No matter which side of the fence you’re on, supporting GvG-specific attention from Anet benefits both sides.
I don’t want to see a bunch of people /bowing and /saluting each other in a big blob south of middle supply. Anytime I do see it I want to run in there and disrupt it, but I don’t because I’m not a griefer. You guys enjoy it. I can’t understand where the joy in fighting on ‘even’ terms is, the whole point of WvW is you can roll over singles, or you can get rolled over, and you don’t know when it’s going to happen. That’s the excitement, that’s the joy. Tearing down the mighty walls of a keep, and consuming the pitiful fools clinging to their arrow carts. Or having it done to you, wondering where your allies are as you try to hold that tower against immosible odds for one…more…tick. Perhaps I am just the target audience for the WvW design, but I know I am not the only person who feels this way.
GvG is fun for those who like it, I do not doubt that. I wish there was a place for you all to fight that didn’t interfere with WvW.
But it’s not simply for “fun”. It’s a competitive Arena hosted by players who want to prove that their guild is indeed the best among guilds. Having an even fight is part of that. A lot of players would much rather prove their prowess by beating faces with a hammer than spamming 1 with an arrow cart, and those people include me. I don’t know who else will back me, but I’m sure that they far outweigh those who oppose me in my opinion.
Just a thought that popped into my head for GvG matching a scheduling that could possibly fix any issues with dodging, or bailing on matches.
If guilds were to submit their availability to fight on reset night, matches could be organized by a 3rd party (gw2gvg.com) according to rankings or manually and then sent out to all guilds involved, to give it a tournament style. Any guild that cancels a match after they sent their availability could be punished with repercussions of some kind.
So if [agg] were to send out an availability of Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday any other guild that sent that would or could be matched up with [agg] on those nights to fight.
Just a thought that popped into my head for GvG matching a scheduling that could possibly fix any issues with dodging, or bailing on matches.
If guilds were to submit their availability to fight on reset night, matches could be organized by a 3rd party (gw2gvg.com) according to rankings or manually and then sent out to all guilds involved, to give it a tournament style. Any guild that cancels a match after they sent their availability could be punished with repercussions of some kind.
So if [agg] were to send out an availability of Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday any other guild that sent that would or could be matched up with [agg] on those nights to fight.
What do you think?
Marty mentioned something like this a week or two back. I could see this being implemented, but it would probably have to have a separate ladder.
It’s funny how some people hate GvGers for not contributing to server rating but there’s not a single word about jumping puzzles, traders, kraits farmers, 100% map explorers, daily achievement farmers and so on… And there’s more of these people in wvw than gvgers.
GvG is only result of wvw design. Even after the Orbageddon players playing for fun will find a way…
I don’t want to see a bunch of people /bowing and /saluting each other in a big blob south of middle supply. Anytime I do see it I want to run in there and disrupt it, but I don’t because I’m not a griefer. You guys enjoy it. I can’t understand where the joy in fighting on ‘even’ terms is, the whole point of WvW is you can roll over singles, or you can get rolled over, and you don’t know when it’s going to happen. That’s the excitement, that’s the joy. Tearing down the mighty walls of a keep, and consuming the pitiful fools clinging to their arrow carts. Or having it done to you, wondering where your allies are as you try to hold that tower against immosible odds for one…more…tick. Perhaps I am just the target audience for the WvW design, but I know I am not the only person who feels this way.
GvG is fun for those who like it, I do not doubt that. I wish there was a place for you all to fight that didn’t interfere with WvW.
This is an elaborate wall of txt thats states nothing but I’m not good enough to fight fair fights.
I wish the GVG scene here would evolve to be more like how it was in DAOC – roaming 5/10/15-man groups that took on whatever it encountered (except for fights in progress). That way regular WVWers and GVGers all get what they want.
I wish the GVG scene here would evolve to be more like how it was in DAOC – roaming 5/10/15-man groups that took on whatever it encountered (except for fights in progress). That way regular WVWers and GVGers all get what they want.
I had fun back in the day with 6 man fp roam in WO… felt like a 6 man duel when u met other crews, almost the same adrenaline (duels will always be king for that). This is not the case here tho.. this is, and feels like a 20 man duel, kind of unprecedent in gaming.. closest thing irl would be coliseum staged fights, or maybe Florentine soccer (those guys have a ball but its irrelevant)
It’s simple and easy to create for a start.
You (Anet) already stated that are reworking Living story dungeons (Molten Facility) to actually new Fractals so you can easily rework 1 fractal to a working GvG Arena as a base and pile more work and polish over it in time (or your free time like those guys who created Super Adventure Non-sense).
This is a great idea.
They literally just need to repurpose it as a small WvW map, add some objectives and voila.
Keep it barebones for a start, you can add the fluff later. Don’t even call it GvG if you want to reserve that trademark for the fully fleshed, grandiose reintroduction of the mode, just give us something till then.
Also everyone, please stop pestering Devon and Hugh (the dev in the livestream) about GvG. You are barking up the wrong tree. They are just the WvW team, decisions about GvG are done at a much higher level, and, currently, they’re not being paid for developing a GvG. It’s like asking the guy at your local PC store who installed your Windows 8 why he’s clinging to the Metro UI design philosophy. That being said, it would be very nice of them if they relay our motion to their coworkers relevant in that decision making.
If they were to ever make a GvG arena it should be like sPvP in that all non 80s are boosted to level 80, and all the gear should be free, however at the same time we should be able to use PvE gear (mixing and matching armor pieces, not amulets with one stat type)
People who want a sterile room with two zergs in it should have nothing to do with WvW.
Also, they shouldn’t be collecting lootbags, badges, exps for killing one another in pre-arranged fights. This seems to be against the spirit of WvW and something I’d expect Arenanet to categorise as exploitation.
Nobody at Anet loves WvW like Grouch loved PvP. That’s what we need, a WvW Grouch, but taller.
When GvGing, yes. They should get no rewards for GvG. To me it is tantamount to the organised trading of lootbags.
Did you ever tried GvG? Or at least WvW? You should probably know that people killed many times during short period of time does not give loot bags… If GvG was about loot bags, GvGers would be broke by now. It’s much faster to kill pug zergs all over the map and in shorter time you get much more loot.
People who want a sterile room with two zergs in it should have nothing to do with WvW.
Also, they shouldn’t be collecting lootbags, badges, exps for killing one another in pre-arranged fights. This seems to be against the spirit of WvW and something I’d expect Arenanet to categorise as exploitation.
Quite possibly the worst argument against GvG’s I’ve seen so far, well done.
It is fun how Anet makes the things. We’re most of WVW community and they still thinking that the best option is bring back buffs, foods, pve events , dyes. Go to hell, we just want gvg. Make a gvg map and we wont complain anymore!
WvW is a game type that we believe very strongly in. We’ve seen that people have been organizing their own combat in WvW and that’s really cool, but WvW requires changes that are not always in step with the gameplay that has been emerging. Our focus is on making WvW as strong as it can be and we will continue to make changes with that in mind. We have been and will continue to discuss these open field battles, but in the meantime the changes we make to WvW will always have that game type first and foremost in mind.
Honestly mate I rarely read forums no point too much trolling and kitten. But this statement of your is just ridicilous.Your improvements jut destroy wvw. And you have new exiciting mode developing and just blindly ignore it trying to promote spvp and wvw. Remember GW1 and what pvp there so good. Anet go back to your roots.
As for the orb update it is pointless ok 5 capturable points which are so near the zerg will just run in circles arround them and the keep that it defends.IF many keeps are defended it may lead to some splitting but it wont be so massive as you wish in Anet. And the masteries honestly ? trebs killing supplies and healling allies. you still not get it the siege is not the problem the uncontrollable ammount of siege you can throw is a problem,10-15 ac on gate and it is almost untakable with force same size as defender. The new supply mastery is funny you repair broken mechanic with a new mastery. And bloodlust we cant really coment before we see it but if it gives bonuses near the prevoius from orbs it will just kill gvg.
At least make it as people suggest here so you can turn off your wvw bonuses.It should not be so hard to impliment,or we will need 2 guilds for gvg and at least 1-2 to keep the shrines in neutral state while we fight….And we know how some servers and guilds try their best to spoil gvg’s. And lastly bringing spvp mechanics in WvW is your best thing to come up with honestly ?
When GvGing, yes. They should get no rewards for GvG. To me it is tantamount to the organised trading of lootbags.
Not really. I get 10x the amount of loot bags in WvW farming random people than I get during the same amount of time in a GvG, even if we win every match. No offense, but you really aren’t accurate or even remotely close to being so.
I can only say one thing if you want anet to put more effort into GvG’s. Get your guild on the website, do a lot of gvg’s. Make a youtube account and subscribe to Ogro’s channel. If you do gvg’s, stream them on twitch, upload footage to youtube, send it to Ogro.
The only thing we can do is do what we do best: play the game how we want to play it. There’s are a lot of things I would do differently if I was anet. Sadly, I’m not. If we want anet to put effort into it, show them there’s a demand and scene for it!
Making a youtube account wont make them change there minds.
They sit there and say they support/believe in WvW, but what really have they given wvw ppl for the last year ?? besides the removal of culling and masteries.
Instead they wanna Add orbs back into wvw, again making the team with the better coverage/numbers even stronger, while the weaker gets weaker. They dont listen to there player base at all.
We the players r gonna need to adapt to the changes they do make to keep GVG alive, cause i really dont ever see Anet changing anytime soon. It really is sad that a game called “GUILD WARS” doesnt have GvG arenas in it
Recently ive been fed the whole story, and guys, i kinda get it now why Arena Net (even the name is suggesting) just tries to ignore us and everything… we’re basically children of a prophecy thats been around since the alpha builds. But I wont spoil it… I’ll let the Main Man talk about it when time comes… but really… someone said these guys might be among the most stubborn devs he ever saw… you hit the nail in the head man.
Ogro man, when are you recording the next episode?
Rumour has it there’s some crazy big GvG’s towards the mid-end of this week. Some people are even calling it Super Week.
Y have a crazy schedule posted somewhere… its maddening. We’ll see, i might have to slightly delay to late saturday or sumtin, cuz I want it covered this week ofc.
I guess imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but would be nice if these guys didn’t drag the spider queen into the spectators at the MYA/Vii match today — or kill off RS guys as they were standing there in quaggan costume.
I guess imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but would be nice if these guys didn’t drag the spider queen into the spectators at the MYA/Vii match today — or kill off RS guys as they were standing there in quaggan costume.
I guess imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but would be nice if these guys didn’t drag the spider queen into the spectators at the MYA/Vii match today — or kill off RS guys as they were standing there in quaggan costume.
lmao
What’s even more amusing is the real deal x2 both showed up a bit later.
I just don’t understand the logic behind the GvG-critics.
Every guild doing GvGs (at least I know) , is playing WvW all the time.
But when they meet for 1 hour a day ( or god forbid 3 hours over 3 days) to do GvGs it’s destroying WvW? Are you sure? Really?
Edit: And believe me, we would love to have our own Arena or battlefield, to not even interfere with WvW stuff these 3 hours per week
Well.. If I can answer you WITH the WvW Dev:
I’ll post this here as well:
WvW is a game type that we believe very strongly in. We’ve seen that people have been organizing their own combat in WvW and that’s really cool, but WvW requires changes that are not always in step with the gameplay that has been emerging. Our focus is on making WvW as strong as it can be and we will continue to make changes with that in mind. We have been and will continue to discuss these open field battles, but in the meantime the changes we make to WvW will always have that game type first and foremost in mind.
Notice he said nothing about GvG. However, taking part of the WvW space and saying “This is our bubble of real estate in a very small area of WvW. No one come inside of it or attack us because we are GvGing”, is taking the gameplay space that that the WvW team developed for all WvW players and would be out of step with how they planned on the space being used.
Or to put it another way.. Can I come over to the state park that has a picnic area, tape off and take over a portion of it and tell everyone to stay out because I am having a private function?
Charrdian, Ashura Mesmer, Norn Ranger, Sylvari Elementalist and Human Magic Engineer
Or to put it another way.. Can I come over to the state park that has a picnic area, tape off and take over a portion of it and tell everyone to stay out because I am having a private function?
If you are having picnic in state park, are other people going over the place where you are sitting? Are they using your food/ beverages? Even if you bring ball there they are not using it. If you kick it out they are not taking it and using for their fun. They usually kick it back to you… They will help you not interrupt you. They will not say to you to stop having fun and to go play different game or this place is public and they can do whatever they wont there…
1. Allow us to turn off Orb Bonuses (or w/e they are called)
2. Allow a once a week WvW guesting for 24hrs
OR
=Anet can also sell 24hr WvW Guesting for 50-100gems in shop instead=
Thank you and we the players will take it from there.
It’s actually more like having a picnic in the remote part of a national forest where nobody goes in the normal course of things
You must be on a server that does not have queues into EBG. With DB and the servers we fight against, its more like trying to have a picnic in the middle of the pathway of 40-70 man zergs.
If you are having picnic in state park, are other people going over the place where you are sitting? Are they using your food/ beverages? Even if you bring ball there they are not using it. If you kick it out they are not taking it and using for their fun. They usually kick it back to you… They will help you not interrupt you. They will not say to you to stop having fun and to go play different game or this place is public and they can do whatever they wont there…
Frankly, depending on how busy it is, YES. They will wander in and take food and drink, saying, “OOOPS, I thought this was part of function z over that away.” Can’t tell you how many times parents have had to chase down a ruffian who stole a child’s ball who was playing with it peacefully. And, in some areas, Yes, you will be told to go somewhere else because your loud partying is disturbing others.
Once again,, notice what Devon said:
We’ve seen that people have been organizing their own combat in WvW and that’s really cool, but WvW requires changes that are not always in step with the gameplay that has been emerging.
Since he included it in the thread on GVG, would that not mean the GvG is one of those items NOT IN STEP with the gameplay?
Charrdian, Ashura Mesmer, Norn Ranger, Sylvari Elementalist and Human Magic Engineer
It’s actually more like having a picnic in the remote part of a national forest where nobody goes in the normal course of things
You must be on a server that does not have queues into EBG. With DB and the servers we fight against, its more like trying to have a picnic in the middle of the pathway of 40-70 man zergs.
I just don’t understand the logic behind the GvG-critics.
Every guild doing GvGs (at least I know) , is playing WvW all the time.
But when they meet for 1 hour a day ( or god forbid 3 hours over 3 days) to do GvGs it’s destroying WvW? Are you sure? Really?
Edit: And believe me, we would love to have our own Arena or battlefield, to not even interfere with WvW stuff these 3 hours per week
Well.. If I can answer you WITH the WvW Dev:
I’ll post this here as well:
WvW is a game type that we believe very strongly in. We’ve seen that people have been organizing their own combat in WvW and that’s really cool, but WvW requires changes that are not always in step with the gameplay that has been emerging. Our focus is on making WvW as strong as it can be and we will continue to make changes with that in mind. We have been and will continue to discuss these open field battles, but in the meantime the changes we make to WvW will always have that game type first and foremost in mind.
Notice he said nothing about GvG. However, taking part of the WvW space and saying “This is our bubble of real estate in a very small area of WvW. No one come inside of it or attack us because we are GvGing”, is taking the gameplay space that that the WvW team developed for all WvW players and would be out of step with how they planned on the space being used.
Or to put it another way.. Can I come over to the state park that has a picnic area, tape off and take over a portion of it and tell everyone to stay out because I am having a private function?
The place where the gvg`s are held has ZERO strategic value. Showing a bit of respect for the guilds involved and giving them1 hour or so to finish a few rounds is not that much of an effort. Or is it ?
One thing i know exactly, many ppl want to leave this hame because anet dont want to create some GvG stuff. Like me aswell… its become to be boring, every day running on www w/o some points. Many ppl dont wanna care about server ranking or something else, we wanna just having a fun with exactly purposes like “Guild Rating”. As i started playing the game i thought its GUILD WARS, but it ISNT guild wars, its mostly BLOB or Pug-Wars. I Hope anet will do something that the game justified the name “GUILD wars”
im all about discretion at this point^^