Guild Wars 2

Interesting that mods took their time to delete only the link to sacrx vid instead of downright close the thread as i expected.

MartyPartys.9187:

But then again, a server doesnt belong to anyone, the few that decide does kind of things could be saying something else than the rest of the server.

Not saying its a bad idea, I just always think that noone has anything to say about it and that everyone can play how and where they want as a server is noones property.

Hon, you guys left Piken because the queues were 30 minutes long and too much for your guild, and that’s fine. Jumping blindly to a bunch of servers might yield the same results. Nothing to lose by being respectful of future homes, plus it would give you information on things that are important, like for your guild — queue times. Or the natives could be annoyed they weren’t at least talked with first, that they make it their mission to disrupt as many GvGs as possible. If everyone has all the information, there’s less chance of conflict.

GvG community has unfortunately been given a bit of a reputation for being abrasive. Mostly that’s out of frustration, and understandable. But for servers that have no clue about the GvG scene other than idle gossip taken from reading a few forum threads, a brief conversation first could settle a ton of headaches down the line.

You’re absolutely right though. Nobody owns any particular server. But for the natives, there’s a sense of “ownership” and pride unique to each server, regardless of the tier. Taking the time to talk is just the right thing to do.

I’m surprised as well, oh well as long as we keep talking about red roses and butterflies I’m sure everything will be fine.

hmm. I really liked that vid.

all the dirty games, shame on you ANET

lol with Sacrx video did RG just pwn Anet in a RL GVG?!? but srsly Anet u got some explaining to do… if you ignore this like u have so many other things i for one will be looking for a new game sooner then later to spend my time and money on…

-Marrett
Charr Jesus
Officer of Zero Negative
Tarnished Coast.

Well, just watched the video. Guess my post above is kind of moot now.

Jayne.9251:

Well, just watched the video. Guess my post above is kind of moot now.

wut?

Looks like some of the pinned posts on the WvW discussion forums got removed. I know was one about the “upcoming WvW announcment at PAX” , but I can’t remember the other ones, where they related to the updates?

Stream for GF vs Agg http://www.twitch.tv/xxkakarot

Tortuga.2086:

Stream for GF vs Agg http://www.twitch.tv/xxkakarot

Thanks!

Tortuga.2086:

Stream for GF vs Agg http://www.twitch.tv/xxkakarot

My god that necro’s clicking physically pains me.

i’ll be honest. i’ve never participated in a GvG. i’m mainly a map objective style player, with penchant for dropping an absurd amount of siege on a daily basis. i like defending and attacking towers and keeps (in that order), escorting yaks and running supplies. judging by the dev posts, i play how they intend WvW to be played.

that being said, however, i am…… very very confused. i mean….. a separate GvG map wouldn’t really need much to it at all. some have said just a big flat area would work, though i think sinking the floor to create kind of a pit-fighting deal would be better. then spectators could watch from above. there doesn’t need to be much scenery, just some collision boxes to keep spectators from jumping in, a repair merchant, some sort of portal entrance, and maybe some walls. all in all, not a major undertaking at all. and if Anet really wants a part of the game to be an esport, BLAM, there it is. the GvG community appears to be taking care of everything else about it, from organizing matches to working out rankings.

it really doesn’t seem like something that needs to be destroyed, just…. moved slightly. then everyone’s happy. GvG players can do their thing without worrying about stat discrepancies or interference. WvW players can do their thing without worrying about queues being affected. Anet gets a legitimate esport. i can’t think of any logical reason for it NOT to happen.

skinnyb.5920:

Tortuga.2086:

Stream for GF vs Agg http://www.twitch.tv/xxkakarot

My god that necro’s clicking physically pains me.

Don’t get me started…….

Phantom.8130:

i’ll be honest. i’ve never participated in a GvG. i’m mainly a map objective style player, with penchant for dropping an absurd amount of siege on a daily basis. i like defending and attacking towers and keeps (in that order), escorting yaks and running supplies. judging by the dev posts, i play how they intend WvW to be played.

that being said, however, i am…… very very confused. i mean….. a separate GvG map wouldn’t really need much to it at all. some have said just a big flat area would work, though i think sinking the floor to create kind of a pit-fighting deal would be better. then spectators could watch from above. there doesn’t need to be much scenery, just some collision boxes to keep spectators from jumping in, a repair merchant, some sort of portal entrance, and maybe some walls. all in all, not a major undertaking at all. and if Anet really wants a part of the game to be an esport, BLAM, there it is. the GvG community appears to be taking care of everything else about it, from organizing matches to working out rankings.

it really doesn’t seem like something that needs to be destroyed, just…. moved slightly. then everyone’s happy. GvG players can do their thing without worrying about stat discrepancies or interference. WvW players can do their thing without worrying about queues being affected. Anet gets a legitimate esport. i can’t think of any logical reason for it NOT to happen.

Go to the Black Citadel. Such a thing already exists. And consider the new maps they have put out during monthly events, I wouldn’t think a GvG arena would be extremely. Mechanics: Fight until all the opposition are dead, or one team forfeits.
shrugs I don’t know…

CoN vs. Mya

5-0

http://www.twitch.tv/gabrielus123/b/460370384

This epic beatdown happened a day after Mya tricked ZDs into fighting them by using a FAKE guild name ( and lost , lol )

Rumors say that their guild lead ragequit.

From heroes to zeroes in two days!

Phantom.8130:

i’ll be honest. i’ve never participated in a GvG. i’m mainly a map objective style player, with penchant for dropping an absurd amount of siege on a daily basis. i like defending and attacking towers and keeps (in that order), escorting yaks and running supplies. judging by the dev posts, i play how they intend WvW to be played.

that being said, however, i am…… very very confused. i mean….. a separate GvG map wouldn’t really need much to it at all. some have said just a big flat area would work, though i think sinking the floor to create kind of a pit-fighting deal would be better. then spectators could watch from above. there doesn’t need to be much scenery, just some collision boxes to keep spectators from jumping in, a repair merchant, some sort of portal entrance, and maybe some walls. all in all, not a major undertaking at all. and if Anet really wants a part of the game to be an esport, BLAM, there it is. the GvG community appears to be taking care of everything else about it, from organizing matches to working out rankings.

it really doesn’t seem like something that needs to be destroyed, just…. moved slightly. then everyone’s happy. GvG players can do their thing without worrying about stat discrepancies or interference. WvW players can do their thing without worrying about queues being affected. Anet gets a legitimate esport. i can’t think of any logical reason for it NOT to happen.

The only reason I can even think of that makes Anet not support GvG, is that it’s actually something the community made, and not something they actually made themself, therefore it wont be “their product” that they can take the credit for, and they are probably just to stubborn to admit their errors and mistakes. Selfpride ftw…..

Grok.6714:

CoN vs. Mya

5-0

http://www.twitch.tv/gabrielus123/b/460370384

This epic beatdown happened a day after Mya tricked ZDs into fighting them by using a FAKE guild name ( and lost , lol )

Rumors say that their guild lead ragequit.

From heroes to zeroes in two days!

Dunno what is so “lol” about this.

Slomo.1029:

Grok.6714:

CoN vs. Mya

5-0

http://www.twitch.tv/gabrielus123/b/460370384

This epic beatdown happened a day after Mya tricked ZDs into fighting them by using a FAKE guild name ( and lost , lol )

Rumors say that their guild lead ragequit.

From heroes to zeroes in two days!

Dunno what is so “lol” about this.

Grok is not in CoN and does not represent our thoughts on the gvg. It was a respectful match, and whatever internal issues Mya may have at the moment are not ours to comment upon. Same goes for the Za Drots business.

Kind Regards,

Circle of Nine

Phantom.8130:

that being said, however, i am…… very very confused. i mean….. a separate GvG map wouldn’t really need much to it at all. some have said just a big flat area would work, though i think sinking the floor to create kind of a pit-fighting deal would be better. then spectators could watch from above. there doesn’t need to be much scenery, just some collision boxes to keep spectators from jumping in, a repair merchant, some sort of portal entrance, and maybe some walls. all in all, not a major undertaking at all. and if Anet really wants a part of the game to be an esport, BLAM, there it is. the GvG community appears to be taking care of everything else about it, from organizing matches to working out rankings.

it really doesn’t seem like something that needs to be destroyed, just…. moved slightly. then everyone’s happy. GvG players can do their thing without worrying about stat discrepancies or interference. WvW players can do their thing without worrying about queues being affected. Anet gets a legitimate esport. i can’t think of any logical reason for it NOT to happen.

I bought into one guys idea from a previous thread, give us a portal from WvW to a copy paste of an empty Claw Island. It really is the perfect arena for crowds and the teams. Our community can do the matchmaking and scoring.

It could be awesome ye. 3way arranged fights (GvGvG?) could be crazy too.

kribre.9683:

Phantom.8130:

i’ll be honest. i’ve never participated in a GvG. i’m mainly a map objective style player, with penchant for dropping an absurd amount of siege on a daily basis. i like defending and attacking towers and keeps (in that order), escorting yaks and running supplies. judging by the dev posts, i play how they intend WvW to be played.

that being said, however, i am…… very very confused. i mean….. a separate GvG map wouldn’t really need much to it at all. some have said just a big flat area would work, though i think sinking the floor to create kind of a pit-fighting deal would be better. then spectators could watch from above. there doesn’t need to be much scenery, just some collision boxes to keep spectators from jumping in, a repair merchant, some sort of portal entrance, and maybe some walls. all in all, not a major undertaking at all. and if Anet really wants a part of the game to be an esport, BLAM, there it is. the GvG community appears to be taking care of everything else about it, from organizing matches to working out rankings.

it really doesn’t seem like something that needs to be destroyed, just…. moved slightly. then everyone’s happy. GvG players can do their thing without worrying about stat discrepancies or interference. WvW players can do their thing without worrying about queues being affected. Anet gets a legitimate esport. i can’t think of any logical reason for it NOT to happen.

The only reason I can even think of that makes Anet not support GvG, is that it’s actually something the community made, and not something they actually made themself, therefore it wont be “their product” that they can take the credit for, and they are probably just to stubborn to admit their errors and mistakes. Selfpride ftw…..

that does seem to be a ongoing pattern with them. i’ve seen numerous suggestion threads that would greatly improve standard WvW play, on numerous fronts (such as countless proposed improvements to the commander/squard system, as well as ways to reward defense/map maintenance) which would actually align with their stated intentions, and yet….. nuthin’. it really puts a new spin on the phrase " the terrible twos".

Vanz.5976:

I bought into one guys idea from a previous thread, give us a portal from WvW to a copy paste of an empty Claw Island. It really is the perfect arena for crowds and the teams. Our community can do the matchmaking and scoring

while some of the suggestions i’ve seen would be a significant chunk of work to implement, that ain’t one of them. the hardest part would really just be deciding where to put the entrance portal. it does indeed sound like an ideal solution, especially if the GvG community is happy to handle everything else about it.

There’s already a zoned instance of claw island from the personal story line. So the shell is there already.

If you watch Sacrx’s video (hopefully I don’t get in trouble for mentioning it), he builds a pretty convincing (you might argue “airtight”) case for exactly why ANet doesn’t want GvG to be a thing in WvW, and why they aren’t interested in adding it in as a game mode. The “orb” buff really was added specifically to break GvG, and Sacrx explains precisely why. That claim made no sense to me either before I watched his video.

Edit: Point being, I’m sure they know of some great venues they could convert and create to support it. They just aren’t interested in doing so. Hopefully that changes in the long-term. I would say it’s unlikely in the short/medium-term.

Grok.6714:

CoN vs. Mya

5-0

http://www.twitch.tv/gabrielus123/b/460370384

This epic beatdown happened a day after Mya tricked ZDs into fighting them by using a FAKE guild name ( and lost , lol )

Rumors say that their guild lead ragequit.

From heroes to zeroes in two days!

Interesting watching your warriors but you recharging adrenaline on mobs before the fight start. Is that normal? first time i see it.

edit: ah, ic now that he isnt from that guikd, then anyone could tell me if thats a normal behaviour nowdays in the GvGs?

i personally dont do it but i wouldnt QQ over it, necros do if for life force b4 every round

Disturbed.4685:

i personally dont do it but i wouldnt QQ over it, necros do if for life force b4 every round

Agreed. It’s not exactly game-breaking, and both sides are free to do so. It’s a mechanic built into the class and not an external factor that would be hard for both sides to replicate each and every round, such as stack weapons, or armor/strength/speed/regen boosters, which create noticeable disparities.

New reset is nice for us hopefully. REALLY hoping we can ring in orbageddon with a GvG vs GD. Fingers crossed

lovly gvg EP. you guys where a kittening hard but fun. i rlly apreciated those fights and learned alot of you guys. It was fun to fight a top gvg guild (with all respect to our previous oppenent). imo you guys are number 1 na and you guys deserve it. if we beat a-net in their mission to destroy gvg i happly wanna do it again. and rlly tyvm for the learning we did from it.tips are always welcome

ps: if i see that thief and mesmer again in wvw be rdy for some payback

cheers IRON

Thanks for the GvG IRON. Glad we got to sneak it in before the buzzer. <3

I am sad to say that there is not as much interest in a GvG league as I had hoped.

Only 24 guilds have voted until now whereof 18 are interested in a GvG league.

Guilds that are interested:

NA
- Decisive Actions
- Everything Purple
- Zero Negative
- Omen Gaming Community
- Spirit Of Faith
- Elite Solidarity
- Remnants Of Terror

EU
- We Be Chilling
- Second Law
- Furious Cookies
- Flare
- VII
- D A W N
- Draka Ris
- Vengeance Of The Fallen
- Inner Sanctum
- Forsaken Gamers
- Incendies

Out of these 18, 6 guilds want to go to the silver league, where 12 guilds want to go to the bronze league.

Guilds that have said they are not interested:

NA
- Pyromancers
- The Iron Triangle
- Reason For Extinction

EU
- Good Old Days
- Ctrl Alt Elite
- Feel Lucky

All and all, 18 guilds would not be enough to create a GvG league.

The poll will be open for one more week.

MartyPartys.9187:

I am sad to say that there is not as much interest in a GvG league as I had hoped.

Only 24 guilds have voted until now whereof 18 are interested in a GvG league.

Guilds that are interested:

NA
- Decisive Actions
- Everything Purple
- Zero Negative
- Omen Gaming Community
- Spirit Of Faith
- Elite Solidarity
- Remnants Of Terror

EU
- We Be Chilling
- Second Law
- Furious Cookies
- Flare
- VII
- D A W N
- Draka Ris
- Vengeance Of The Fallen
- Inner Sanctum
- Forsaken Gamers
- Incendies

Out of these 18, 6 guilds want to go to the silver league, where 12 guilds want to go to the bronze league.

Guilds that have said they are not interested:

NA
- Pyromancers
- The Iron Triangle
- Reason For Extinction

EU
- Good Old Days
- Ctrl Alt Elite
- Feel Lucky

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All and all, 18 guilds would not be enough to create a GvG league.

The poll will be open for one more week.

Thats quite a lot actually. Should be enough. I do believe some GvG guilds are not in this list as well.

Let’s invade heart of the mists and make gvg 10vs10 !

Dico.4815:

Let’s invade heart of the mists and make gvg 10vs10 !

Still have to put up w/ kittenty stats and I thought 8v8 was the max??

If people are considering the Orb Buffs to be considered an unfair advantage in a GvG, how do people feel about the World vs. World buffs? I don’t know them all on the top of my head but I do think that one gives you extra HP. Wouldn’t those be considered an unfair advantage as well?

DaBleuberry.1780:

If people are considering the Orb Buffs to be considered an unfair advantage in a GvG, how do people feel about the World vs. World buffs? I don’t know them all on the top of my head but I do think that one gives you extra HP. Wouldn’t those be considered an unfair advantage as well?

When both guilds get equal “WvW buffs” then how can you call it advantage?
The problem is only when you transfer, but hey, you decided to do so And just for the first week
With “orbs” … max +15%! to HP and max + 150 to 4 major stats. Looks like a hell of an advantage. Of course it’s the worst possible scenario but +5% and +50 to stats sound quite bad aswell. Of course good guilds can keep playing vs worse and even with crazy stat bonus there won’t be a big problem to win. But let’s take a look at close matches. Imo sucks to lose a close round because someone took buffs(which is good for server, for WvW coz it’s something new… but not for our amateur GvG fights)
I just think ANET is lucky that there is no competition for them this and big part of the upcoming year in MMO games. They can be as lazy as they were(and are) for the last year and keep feeding us with all the lies they prepared.

Devitz.2136:

I just think ANET is lucky that there is no competition for them this and big part of the upcoming year in MMO games. They can be as lazy as they were(and are) for the last year and keep feeding us with all the lies they prepared.

TESO and Wildstar are both supposed to be out in the next 6-9 months. Not sure about archeage. FFXIV just came out too, but their PvP options are still a mystery to me.

DaBleuberry.1780:

If people are considering the Orb Buffs to be considered an unfair advantage in a GvG, how do people feel about the World vs. World buffs? I don’t know them all on the top of my head but I do think that one gives you extra HP. Wouldn’t those be considered an unfair advantage as well?

Go fish

aka try again

Jinks.2057:

Dico.4815:

Let’s invade heart of the mists and make gvg 10vs10 !

Still have to put up w/ kittenty stats and I thought 8v8 was the max??

Pretty sure you can do 10v10 with no spectators.

Yes you can do 10v10 in a custom arena, but none of the maps are big enough for deathmatch

We got few guilds trying out something like that.

Iirc, to have comments and streaming they settled down to a 9vs9, in the center node of Foefire (largest open area in Spvp prolly).

Can’t really say how good or bad it was, but the so low number and the restricted stat/build choices had quite a weight.

MartyPartys.9187:

Yes you can do 10v10 in a custom arena, but none of the maps are big enough for deathmatch

That’s very true. We’ve tried doing it some times as practice with another guild or even amongst ourselves, but current sPvP lacks the potential to host GvGs, in terms of build variety, numbers, terrain, spectatorship, and more that I haven’t considered because my head hurts and I’m tired.. (Spectatorship is a word now, by the way…if it wasn’t already.)

Ya I’ve been a part of some inter guild training in sPvP

Ya know what…..it only helps with coordination

sPvP’s rules, gear choices, and class alterations make it a completely broken option for GvGs.

IMO the best place in spvp is the red keep in ( is it foefire? ). Thats the biggest space, has some levels aswell, a choke, its quite interesting. We did some 10v10s there with our own guild, was good fun.

But then again, it’ll be never as good as it could be.

Will never do GvG in sPvP – Because i want to play with my WvW build and gear.

I’m getting some legendaries atm, I’d kitten well want to use them :o

Once Deathmatch mode is put into the game what is really stopping people from running 10v10 in Customs?

Are gear limitations really that severe? I see people complain about that lack of build diversity available in sPvP but to be fair GvG doesn’t seem to have a lot of space for build diversity either. There will always be optimal builds at high level play and meta shifting experimental builds usually require high skill and lot of experimentation. This is not really a productive thing in WvW due to the high cost of regearing, especially with the new Ascended itemization.

Map size I can see as a valid complaint if you were trying to maneuver more than 10 people on each team but this is the limitation in place so nothing can really be done but work within that boundry. 8v8 matches in DAoC didn’t require too much space and sPvP map set to Deathmatch would seem like a decent alternative. WoW Arena maps are even smaller and RBG maps are roughly the same size as the current sPvP maps. Anyone wishing to run away from a fight always wishes the map was bigger, but isn’t that the problem with Conquest mode in sPvP in the first place?

There are many advantaged to using sPvP 10v10 format for GvG and I rarely see anyone discuss them, only the down sides. For instance:

-Matches would not be limited to server WvW Matchups, any guild could run a match any time.
-Different maps could be utilized over the course of rounds with alternating team picks.
-Experimentation with the meta would be much easier as gearing in sPvP, while more limited in scope, is much easier since everything is available for free.
-Limiting the match to a 10v10 will limit the chaos and be much easier to shoutcast, even Ogre himself seems to prefer the 15v15 vice the 20v20 format for what I gather was a similar reasoning.
-Matches could take place more often as 10 people are much easier to organize than 15 or even 20.

I am sure there is more but it seems like a lot of the GvG scene is just being as stubborn about the format as Anet is about supporting the scene. I love seeing GvG guilds in WvW kicking kitten and doing things that small havoc groups cannot and do not want to see the scene die because both sides are too stubborn to embrace a change. Just some food for thought.

@junglizm

yes, 10vs10 on spvp would be possible and there are many positive aspects but there are enough negative aspects, first and probably the bigest wich u already mentioned is the limited builds. The Guilds try to optimize builds, to get perfect stat mixes. And a 10vs10 is just different, i know many say there is less Skill required and may be right, but in the end there is still much required for each class.

For Example a Staff Elementalist(depending on the enemy setup) has to kite a thief who tries to kill him or a rifle warrior or anything else that is supposed to kill the ranges, meanwhile he has to care that he doesnt get cought by the enemy melee-train and he has to put out the max. Dmg/CC he can, thats not enough? He has to place the waterfields in good positions either predicting where ur melee-train runs or where the Raidleader calls the water-fields and they need to be there fast because u dont want to waste time on healing up. This also means he needs to be in good Positiong the whole time to actually be able to place water fields immidiatly.

A 10vs10 wich may increase the individual skill cap, would just take so many tasks away for many classes.

Do you think with the orb changes that maybe some guilds should step up and attempt 10v10 in the custom arena format just to see how it actually plays out? Would be nice to hold like a week long tournament and get as many top GvG guilds to try the 10v10 while people try to figure out how to deal with GvG under the new Orb meta. I can’t think of a better time to try it than under the current chaos of Tuesdays patch.

junglizm.5843:

Do you think with the orb changes that maybe some guilds should step up and attempt 10v10 in the custom arena format just to see how it actually plays out? Would be nice to hold like a week long tournament and get as many top GvG guilds to try the 10v10 while people try to figure out how to deal with GvG under the new Orb meta. I can’t think of a better time to try it than under the current chaos of Tuesdays patch.

This already gets done as practice. Everyone hates it in comparison. sPvP, without major changes, will never work for GvG.