Guild Wars 2

And then just increase better loot drops because then the loot drops would mean something.

You know, FFXIV tried that. They had to destroy the world and re make it.

Removing the trading post would completely destroy the economy, as well as really screwing over crafters.

We could make the new trading system like it was in the older mmos, where you open a store in the capital with your character, and players can walk through the capital and shop, that way is much more immersive. And the chat was much more populated with the sellers posting their stuff every sec.

Casmurro.9046:

We could make the new trading system like it was in the older mmos, where you open a store in the capital with your character, and players can walk through the capital and shop, that way is much more immersive. And the chat was much more populated with the sellers posting their stuff every sec.

I have mixed feelings about this.

I remember this in Ragnarok online. Prontera is full of these chatboxes and stores. It made the game impossible to traverse through.

The upside is that it felt like a flea market.

The player Economy is an important part of MMO’s. Removing the trading post is a non-starter, as far as ideas for any MMO, Not just this one. If it ever happens I’ll eat my hat.

Nerelith.7360:

The player Economy is an important part of MMO’s. Removing the trading post is a non-starter, as far as ideas for any MMO, Not just this one. If it ever happens I’ll eat my hat.

I’ll pay you 5G if you do

Please don’t make me farm 250 of each t6 mat for my legendary.

Zaxares.5419:

Please, by the Six, not a return to Spamadan.

I remember that. Also having to rely on 3rd party site to make my trade, setup a time etc…

It was horrific

Not to mention how folks would “bid” for something and then when it was time to pay up they either 1) didn’t have the amount they bid 2) would try to renegotiate or 3) decide they didn’t want it after all.

WTS Totem axe 5k
(Waits while trade chat scrolls with other trades and message leaves the screen. One minute)

WTS Totem axe 5k
(Waits while trade chat scrolls with other trades and message leaves the screen. One minute)

WTS Totem axe 5k
(Waits while trade chat scrolls with other trades and message leaves the screen. One minute)

WTS Totem axe 5k
(Waits while trade chat scrolls with other trades and message leaves the screen. One minute)

Yep, I can hardly wait to do that again. (NOT!)

(I never did sell that axe) >.>

Azrael.4960:

Nerelith.7360:

The player Economy is an important part of MMO’s. Removing the trading post is a non-starter, as far as ideas for any MMO, Not just this one. If it ever happens I’ll eat my hat.

I’ll pay you 5G if you do

My hat is made of Chocolate :-)

Zaxares.5419:

Please, by the Six, not a return to Spamadan.

East Commonlands ??

Gaviston Hawkington.9647:

Not to mention how folks would “bid” for something and then when it was time to pay up they either 1) didn’t have the amount they bid 2) would try to renegotiate or 3) decide they didn’t want it after all.

I remember finally getting a buyer for something after standing in Spamadon for ages advertising it. We settle on a price then he tried to short me by 10k plat. His excuse, he didn’t have the plat to buy it but he wanted it so he tried to short me the plat and hoped I wouldn’t notice.

Nerelith.7360:

The player Economy is an important part of MMO’s. Removing the trading post is a non-starter, as far as ideas for any MMO, Not just this one. If it ever happens I’ll eat my hat.

Unfortunately, trading posts and auction houses are doomed to fail. If you haven’t seen WoW lately, the prices on the auction house are ridiculously high on everything. (I hadn’t played WoW in years) So I created a character, then went to buy something on the auction house, expecting it to be 4 silver like it was years ago. 75 gold. For a pair of crappy level 7 pants. You’d have to level to max level and then farm for days to get that.

Auction Houses and other player-run things need to die off. They eventually will anyway.

I’m all for removing the TP and letting us EARN our goods while PLAYING THE GAME, get rid of the gem store too.

DigitalKirin.9714:

You know, FFXIV tried that. They had to destroy the world and re make it.

Quoting for truth.

Im Mudbone.1437:

I’m all for removing the TP and letting us EARN our goods while PLAYING THE GAME, get rid of the gem store too.

So why would ANet run this game then?

crickets

Vystirch.3418:

Im Mudbone.1437:

I’m all for removing the TP and letting us EARN our goods while PLAYING THE GAME, get rid of the gem store too.

So why would ANet run this game then?

crickets

They did JUST FINE for 7 years without that crap in GW1.

Im Mudbone.1437:

They did JUST FINE for 7 years without that crap in GW1.

Cost of running GW1 is a lot less than running GW2, that and they did sell skins in GW1.

Either way, removing the TP wouldn’t do much good. I’d like some loot drops to occur more frequently (Like, T6 materials, or charged lodestones… but that’s my impatience talking), but removing the TP would… suck. It’s a good way to make money while playing the game, and not having to stop and advertise for hours on end instead of playing the actual game. I can also easily search for what I need/want and buy it directly from there, without having to find a player who happens to have what I want in the amount I want it in, then spend the next fifteen minutes figuring out a price.

It’s a convenience that lets me continue to play the game and earn some money, or quickly get materials I need (at a cost). I don’t want to sit in Gendarren Fields spamming chat for over an hour in hopes to sell as 250 stack of ancient wood. Or a random exotic.

Maybe keep the TP and put is the actual ability to trade between players? FOr those who want the convenience of the TP it is there, and for those who want to try and make a bit more, avoiding the fees, and those who want to try and save a bit, by the trader avoiding the fees, the option is there. Just a thought and I realize it will not happen as the TP fees are a gold sink.

When the game launched the TP was not up yet.
It was not fun

Erich.1783:

Maybe keep the TP and put is the actual ability to trade between players? FOr those who want the convenience of the TP it is there, and for those who want to try and make a bit more, avoiding the fees, and those who want to try and save a bit, by the trader avoiding the fees, the option is there. Just a thought and I realize it will not happen as the TP fees are a gold sink.

You can trade person to person at your own risk now. They won’t stop you but won’t do anything if things don’t work out.

it would be nice if players could setup their own temporary store with items they wanted to sell, these items wouldn’t carry the listing fee of the TP, sellers could undercut the TP and make it worthwhile for buyers to bargain hunt… i suppose it would be a administrative nightmare going through each individual players items on sale, maybe they could make it each guild can register an “outlet shop” which then members can advertise items that wouldn’t incur the listing fee of the TP…(think ESO did something like this)
it would just open up that possibility of finding a great deal if you looked in the right place at the right time, which is a cool part of mmo’s

Galtrix.7369:

Nerelith.7360:

The player Economy is an important part of MMO’s. Removing the trading post is a non-starter, as far as ideas for any MMO, Not just this one. If it ever happens I’ll eat my hat.

Unfortunately, trading posts and auction houses are doomed to fail. If you haven’t seen WoW lately, the prices on the auction house are ridiculously high on everything. (I hadn’t played WoW in years) So I created a character, then went to buy something on the auction house, expecting it to be 4 silver like it was years ago. 75 gold. For a pair of crappy level 7 pants. You’d have to level to max level and then farm for days to get that.

Auction Houses and other player-run things need to die off. They eventually will anyway.

What a bunch of rubbish i know for a fact that you can sell the level 1 flowers in herbalism? for 15-20 g a stack at least on the server i used to play on.
You’re right the prices are high as kitten but it’s so easy to make gold now that it doesn’t make a difference.
If you’re gonna talk crap at least do your research

I would prefer expanding the TP, so GW2 is a complete free market.

So no more soulbound or account bound items in the game fullstop. Everything and I mean everything can be bought and sold on the trading post.

Im Mudbone.1437:

I’m all for removing the TP and letting us EARN our goods while PLAYING THE GAME, get rid of the gem store too.

You do realise your asking for GW2 to be shutdown don’t you, ie no more game fullstop…

I have a GREAT idéa!

Don’t use the TP if you think it ruins loot drop for you! Me on the other hand do have got realy neat drops that I am waiting to sell on TP

Well think about it a a bit more…

MOST of the loot you get, as of right now, is salvage/vender garbage. You get all your crafting mats from just salvaging the greens/blues that no one uses or buy, then sell off your junk to venders. So all the loot right now is boring. Most people only get 1 exotic maybe once a day.

By removing the player driven economy, you can then increase loot drops in the game. Therefore you earn your t6 mats quicker, you get more exotics to get more ecto/matter/sigils through salvaging.

I’m pretty tired of this game being driven by gold. All the items are bought with gold, nothing is earned and its not a better game for it.

If this game was about cosmetic progression instead of vertical progression, there needs to be more ways to earn skins… not just farm for several hours for gold and then just buy it out. This is part of the reason why SAB TM weapons have higher value to them because they are inaccessible via gold, they are earned.

Sticking with the TP system means sticking with boring loot. It’s time to shift up to a loot version 2.0 like D3.

Meglobob.8620:

I would prefer expanding the TP, so GW2 is a complete free market.

So no more soulbound or account bound items in the game fullstop. Everything and I mean everything can be bought and sold on the trading post.

Im Mudbone.1437:

I’m all for removing the TP and letting us EARN our goods while PLAYING THE GAME, get rid of the gem store too.

You do realise your asking for GW2 to be shutdown don’t you, ie no more game fullstop…

From posting history I do believe they are aware of that.

Playing the TP IS playing the game for some people. I agree that glancing on the TP to see how much my pre-cursor is running these days is disheartening, and that it seems you really have to work at it to make gold in the game, but eliminating the TP isn’t the answer. As much as I hate it, the things that are really special do take a lot of work to get. Making it easy makes the thing less special. I wouldn’t be going for a Legendary if everyone and their brother was bouncing around with one. It’s still pretty awesome to see one and say, “Hey, that guy’s got a Legendary! Cool!” And someday, That Guy will be me…

Meglobob.8620:

I would prefer expanding the TP, so GW2 is a complete free market.

So no more soulbound or account bound items in the game fullstop. Everything and I mean everything can be bought and sold on the trading post.

Im Mudbone.1437:

I’m all for removing the TP and letting us EARN our goods while PLAYING THE GAME, get rid of the gem store too.

You do realise your asking for GW2 to be shutdown don’t you, ie no more game fullstop…

As I told another respondant GW1 did/does just fine for the past 7 years without a TP and gem store and with 10,000% better looking fully stat’ed armor/weapons(not lame skins) that you ACTUALLY EARNED just by playing the game, no RIPP-OFF TP and GEM STORE.

This ideea is almost as bad as the fractal reset.

We had this on launch and beta weekends. I don’t think ANYONE who has experienced it then (therefore, the only people who know both sides of this suggestion) would vouch for this.

Charak.9761:

Well think about it a a bit more…

MOST of the loot you get, as of right now, is salvage/vender garbage. You get all your crafting mats from just salvaging the greens/blues that no one uses or buy, then sell off your junk to venders. So all the loot right now is boring. Most people only get 1 exotic maybe once a day.

By removing the player driven economy, you can then increase loot drops in the game. Therefore you earn your t6 mats quicker, you get more exotics to get more ecto/matter/sigils through salvaging.

I’m pretty tired of this game being driven by gold. All the items are bought with gold, nothing is earned and its not a better game for it.

If this game was about cosmetic progression instead of vertical progression, there needs to be more ways to earn skins… not just farm for several hours for gold and then just buy it out. This is part of the reason why SAB TM weapons have higher value to them because they are inaccessible via gold, they are earned.

Sticking with the TP system means sticking with boring loot. It’s time to shift up to a loot version 2.0 like D3.

I see many cons to it too.

- When I am crafting I notice I need 1 more crafting mat, without the TP I have to go out and Farm some enemies until I find what I need.

- I have level 9 chars to level 80 and as I level I bought green and blue Armor at TP, whitout the TP I would have to Iether farm to get crafting mats or I would have to hope I get the right gear I want for my build.

- A few has said that GW1 works fine without TP. Well the constatly spaming of WTS/WTB in map chat (Even though there is a trading channel) is working realy good. And also imo the loot drops in GW1 was/is far from intresting and easy to get max tier mats.

- With the RNG in this game, I totaly loathe Scarlets Kiss but I think Scarlets Rainbow is awesome, now I can easely sell Scarlets Kiss and Buy me a Rainbow. Without TP I would have to live with the fact I was “lucky” and got Scarlets Kiss instead of Scarlets Rainbow. If we ware not able to trade them but if we where able to then se above reason.

Out of curiosity, did anyone ever scan through the forums and see an idea posted that was so bad that you found it nearly impossible to believe the poster was even remotely serious?

Just asking.

Trade Post is being manipulated by Guilds dedicated to such, investing dozens of thousands of gold on the TP, specially around precursors.

One day their price is 500 gold, the other all stock is gone and they are all being sold for 900g.

So yes, we need limitations on TP for help loot to value more, and stop economy values manipulators.

Charak.9761:

Well think about it a a bit more…

MOST of the loot you get, as of right now, is salvage/vender garbage. You get all your crafting mats from just salvaging the greens/blues that no one uses or buy, then sell off your junk to venders. So all the loot right now is boring. Most people only get 1 exotic maybe once a day.

By removing the player driven economy, you can then increase loot drops in the game. Therefore you earn your t6 mats quicker, you get more exotics to get more ecto/matter/sigils through salvaging.

I’m pretty tired of this game being driven by gold. All the items are bought with gold, nothing is earned and its not a better game for it.

If this game was about cosmetic progression instead of vertical progression, there needs to be more ways to earn skins… not just farm for several hours for gold and then just buy it out. This is part of the reason why SAB TM weapons have higher value to them because they are inaccessible via gold, they are earned.

Sticking with the TP system means sticking with boring loot. It’s time to shift up to a loot version 2.0 like D3.

If you dont want to use the tradepost to purchase what you are unable to hunt, loot, or craft yourself, then by all means dont use the tradepost. Your self-imposed restriction is not shared by anyone else. The BLTC is simply an impersonal “player” store for people to list their goods. In fact, I wish we’d be able to set and track “watchers” for certain items much like we can track achievements. If item xyz drops below/goes above abc gold, it lets me know that and then I can decide whether or not to buy or sell.

And there’s plenty of ways to increase the loot you get as it stands now. You’ve heard of and used +magic find stuff, right? There’s a lot of ways to increase it permanently and temporarily, and many people have noticed better drops with it.

Oh, and here’s the best reason to leave the tradepost alone:I can be out getting the loot I really want while selling trash to some random player who thinks it’s treasure. I’m no longer required to spam every city 8927456928175 times an hour just to make my sale seen, or log off my character because she needs to “man the booth” in the same cities and hope somone actually looks at my “store.”

If we filled a city with stores, wouldn’t we eventually be all redirected to an overflow?
Plus, lag.

Removing the TP sounds like a horrible idea to me.

What the game could use, however, is a less RNG based / gold centric economy.
If drops were A LOT more fixed, the most popular farm spots would only supply some materials, flooding the market and making the prices go down (or other material prices go up). This would create a much more player driven economy, where prices settle on a supply/demand basis.
Since there are taxes tied to the TP, it would always be more cost effective to work towards the specific materials you’re looking for. Players, however, could be OK with smaller earnings and use the TP based on how fun they find the activity to get the desired materials.

Since supply is extremely RNG based, currently prices are almost only about demand and the economy is not player driven at all. No matter what a player is looking for, the method that produce the higher amount of overall wealth will always be the best.

Im Mudbone.1437:

Im Mudbone.1437:

I’m all for removing the TP and letting us EARN our goods while PLAYING THE GAME, get rid of the gem store too.

As I told another respondant GW1 did/does just fine for the past 7 years without a TP and gem store and with 10,000% better looking fully stat’ed armor/weapons(not lame skins) that you ACTUALLY EARNED just by playing the game, no RIPP-OFF TP and GEM STORE.

I played Guild Wars 1 for 4 years and I can say not having a TP was a major pain.

I still have storage packed full of green (highest quality) gear I never sold because the main way to sell was to stand in Kamadon and repeatedly spam WTS X item for Y plat. Over and over and over again. And then the possible buyer had to be in the exact same map you were at the exact same time and had to be paying attention to trade chat at the same time.

Yes you could earn your goods by playing. But selling the excess or the unneeded was difficult. There were undoubtably buyers for my Totem axe or my Mallyx bow but I never found them and my desire to stand in one spot spamming WTS was not great. Plus trying to figure out the current sale prices, bleh.

Spamming messages in Spamadon, a pain. Putting items in the trading post and walking away, Priceless.

By the way, Guild Wars 1 has their version of the gem store. You could buy exclusive ingame content that people who didn’t buy couldn’t play, access to skills without playing the game and Mercenaries so you could play without grouping up with other players.

How about no?

(15 chars)

runeblade.7514:

Casmurro.9046:

We could make the new trading system like it was in the older mmos, where you open a store in the capital with your character, and players can walk through the capital and shop, that way is much more immersive. And the chat was much more populated with the sellers posting their stuff every sec.

I have mixed feelings about this.

I remember this in Ragnarok online. Prontera is full of these chatboxes and stores. It made the game impossible to traverse through.

The upside is that it felt like a flea market.

I like the shop system, it does breed the problems stated about spamming and problems getting through some areas. A ‘market-instance’ would be cool though. Nothing there except a bank, a TP and space to set up shop, so the only reason people would go there would be to buy/sell and not interrupt the flow of the cities and other maps.

Im Mudbone.1437:

I’m all for removing the TP and letting us EARN our goods while PLAYING THE GAME, get rid of the gem store too.

This is just a typical “its not how I play, so screw everyone else” answer.

Im Mudbone.1437:

Meglobob.8620:

I would prefer expanding the TP, so GW2 is a complete free market.

So no more soulbound or account bound items in the game fullstop. Everything and I mean everything can be bought and sold on the trading post.

Im Mudbone.1437:

I’m all for removing the TP and letting us EARN our goods while PLAYING THE GAME, get rid of the gem store too.

You do realise your asking for GW2 to be shutdown don’t you, ie no more game fullstop…

As I told another respondant GW1 did/does just fine for the past 7 years without a TP and gem store and with 10,000% better looking fully stat’ed armor/weapons(not lame skins) that you ACTUALLY EARNED just by playing the game, no RIPP-OFF TP and GEM STORE.

I still never earned the items… sat and spammed in spammadan for days trying to buy and sell… now I can do what took days in mere seconds and actually play the game… at least 3/4 of my 18k hours on gw1 had to have been me sitting spamming trade chat…. no way I would want it to be like that again.

I’m fairly certain that Charak is having a go at you all. There is no way that this is a serious suggestion.

I’m in favor of removing the trading post…for a month.

Just to make people like OP see how terrible it would be for the game and how incredibly frustrating it is.

I remember when the TP was down for the month at launch…it was not pretty.

Astral Projections.7320:

WTS Totem axe 5k
(Waits while trade chat scrolls with other trades and message leaves the screen. One minute)

WTS Totem axe 5k
(Waits while trade chat scrolls with other trades and message leaves the screen. One minute)

WTS Totem axe 5k
(Waits while trade chat scrolls with other trades and message leaves the screen. One minute)

WTS Totem axe 5k
(Waits while trade chat scrolls with other trades and message leaves the screen. One minute)

Yep, I can hardly wait to do that again. (NOT!)

(I never did sell that axe) >.>

This. I never, ever want this again. No one benefits from this except scammers, hagglers and crazy hardcore grinders. The rest does not. At. All.

You can argue a more merit-based reward system, but taking away the TP will not help you (or anyone else, for that matter).

Does no one remember launch? The TP was down for 2 weeks, it was TERRIBLE. There were thousands of scammers, LA was a spam nightmare, you couldn’t buy anything or get anything done, and you had to farm for anything you wanted. Even back then when stuff dropped like candy and there was no DR it was still a pain. People were threatening to quit left and right and the only solace we had was that adorable construction quaggan.

So wait… tailor to the people who want shinies in loot, and screw every single crafter in the game?
No thanks. Terrible idea.

1. remove trading post
2. use freed up ressources to implement mounts
   #use freed up ressources to implement duelling in pve
   #use freed up ressources to implement mounted duelling in pve
   #uninstall the game