Guild Wars 2

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And btw, listening to the devs have been making me depressed from playing gw2 lately, we’ve been dealing with game breaking bugs to dungeons for a long time and we even got a dungeon path cut out after having this kind of bug, but really? We dont have the right to protect our own instance from griefers anymore, and the griefers can now be rewarded by kicking the owners?

Seen how the lfg tool has been in beta for so long and still is a paradise for griefers (hatred anyone) i feel like anet doesnt really like to support instanced content.

Xyonon.3987:

The problem is, if they join fast enough and kick you, you won’t see the party chat anymore. You don’t have any information.

Thanks for the answer Chris. Anything about this part?

Well, I must admit I kind of saw that coming when they announced that the dungeon owner mechanic will be removed and didn’t clearly state that they will introduce rules and regulations (or different mechanics) that would protect the party leader/dungeon opener (in that sense the seller of the path) from being easily removed from his own party and instance.

Being booted of your own party while trying to fill it as in Etien’s fractals case will probably force CS to take actions, however I doubt they’d if it’s the case of selling a path, don’t know why I have that feeling.

Trice.4598:

Robert.4197:

. Having said that though, I am actually happy that communication is improving and I hope it continues. I haven’t actually caught up with all the posts in the dev tracker since there was so many today but a post in a quote led me to this thread. Once again sorry for the rant, just frustrated.

Sadly they are hearing us, giving us those politically correct answer but don’t be fooled, they aren’t listening. People spent hours and hours giving useful feedback in CDI thread, other spent hours organizing it so it would be easier to read for Dev/Mod. What did we get? more level gated content, 3 commander tag color? and more bug than fixes.

I am completely amaze at how much time and effort went into making the game worse. Good job, maybe if they Listened to the very nice suggestion people came up with, this game would be in a totally different shape.

Also, I want to rant about one more thing. WHERE IS THE BUILD TEMPLATE. Our build are already saved somewhere in a database, because if I log on my friend computer, I have the same utility/trait, which mean they could easily take 2 people, for less than a week to make a basic build template. We don’t care how awesome you want to make it, just make one already. Any dev could code that in 20 hours top.

And sadly, I have to agree. The devs have made it clear that they hear/read our feedback but we’re in the minority. I have to say though, that in all honesty, I play the living story, not because I like it but it gives me something to do. I’m just throwing that out there because there was a post a week or 2 ago by a dev that stated there has been a lot of content added since the game released.

Chris Cleary.8017:

Elrey.5472:

What Chris said is that selling dungeons isn’t supported and if you get kicked while trying to sell it’s your own fault. However, if someone joins the group and kicks you out of a dungeon for any reason, that should be reported just in case that same player is doing the same to a lot of people, in which cause it should be banned due to community toxicity and griefing(is that a word in english?) players.

I believe that’s what he meant.

This is a good way to interpret what I said.

Edit: ^lol interoperate, thanks auto correct

So you’re basically saying that you have comparable in-game moderation to Nexon America…the company I absolutely abhor because they turned what was a fun and cute game (MapleStory) into a money-grubbing cow that allowed hackers and abusers to run freely for entire weeks and months.

MysticHLE.7160:

Chris Cleary.8017:

Elrey.5472:

What Chris said is that selling dungeons isn’t supported and if you get kicked while trying to sell it’s your own fault. However, if someone joins the group and kicks you out of a dungeon for any reason, that should be reported just in case that same player is doing the same to a lot of people, in which cause it should be banned due to community toxicity and griefing(is that a word in english?) players.

I believe that’s what he meant.

This is a good way to interpret what I said.

Edit: ^lol interoperate, thanks auto correct

So you’re basically saying that you have comparable customer service/in-game moderation to Nexon America…the company I absolutely abhor because they turned what was a fun and cute game (MapleStory) into a money-grubbing cow that allowed hackers and abusers to run freely for entire weeks and months.

haha nexon america… Spent 3 grants in about 8 months playing maplestory. My brother got keylogged, and since he sometime played on my account (and since maplestory didn’t have any kind of account security like google authenticator) I got hacked. When I asked for any kind of restoration, they said they don’t do this kind of stuff.

Every patch, GW2 is turning into one of those F2P nexon game.

I also posted feedback here https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/When-giving-feedback/first#post4394733 about why I posted the way I did. The thread is pretty much ignored, at this point, with the amount of posting at the moment, I’m not surprised. Hopefully, something good will come out of all this negative feedback.

I just have write something too!
First of all: I`m a legit soloer and seller….

Well, I accept that selling dungeons wihtout fillers happens on your own risk, meaning 2+ people merge your party, kick you and invite furhter friends/guilds to finish the daily run faster. Though, this “faster finishing by kicking soloers” is exactly what might be called “ruining the Game”, because …
- people who solo and sell in order to complete some legendaries, collections, titles etc. get frustrated and start rage—>bad gameplay experience for them.
- people who kick in order to finish faster don`t accept the challenge and simply behave like real kittens just because they want it faster. Imagine: people never learned how to run Arah, haven`t ever killed Lupicus even 3men, so they start to kick sellers, who indeed DID LEARN how to SOLO by practicing for weeks! That`s justice, huh?

But there are also people who kick and put their OWN SELLING-post in lfg tool. Like I`ve said above, they never tried or learned how to do it but they make people bleed who did bleed already enough while practicing in the past? Those who skipped Lupicus will no start to skip him again by kicking legit soloer? hallelujah!

EDIT: Why do you think people solo and sell dungeons? For some it`s fun, but most of us do it because of the insane prices on the TP. Precursors go higher and higher in price. Certain exotic Items which are needed for collections got bought up by some TP flippers and their price also raised.
The pretty much only reason why people sell is because of this crazy prices made by Tp flipper. For an average player it will be never possible to obtain even one legendary(well maybe after 2 years of playing). So why not to stop this flipping, instead of punish seller?

There is no problem with a system to choose from. We need two options, how to open a dungeon:

Ownership
It should be visible to the others who join. The owner cannot be kicked and has the ability to kick by himself. Others have no abilities.

No Ownership
Everyone can vote to kick a member. The majority has to agree (2/3, 3/4, 3/5).

What’cha think?

I would just reduce amount of needed votes to 1 and then call it esports.

But yeah, ownership thing would work the best. The biggest problem has always been when leader leaves and instance won’t get transferred and now there’s a fix for that.

Although I appreciate the effort of the developers to communicate with us more, this is actually one of those answers that should’ve kept silent. Why you may ask? Because with this answer the griefers now know that they can get away with their questionable actions.

@Noah, you seem not to have read the whole thread then. People “stealing” dungeons are reportable, yet not chasable. Still, multiple reports lead to further investigations and will result into bans. It’s not optimal, but stealers will be warned by this thread rather than motivated.

Chris Cleary.8017:

I’ll go ahead and clarify since there has apparently been different information coming from different sources in the past. Customer Service is not able to support party politics unless they involve cases of targeted harassment in-game. This is because of the number of different reasons that certain party politics happen. Since CS only has access to actions that occur in-game, we are unable to verify specifics for incidents in a large number of incidents. Specifics are the most important part of these situations.

However, we do view player reports via CS tickets, and if a player can be verified as a habitual abuser of the LFG system or parties in general, we can take action against them.

This is not some sick, weird joke i’m not getting, right?
You’re actually saying that someone who “only infrequently” abuses the lfg by stealing instances for example will go unpunished?

I am aware that in some cases it might be difficult to discern what led to a kick, but what Jerus describes here is how a dungeon steal (formerly a dungeon destruction) usually will look like:

Jerus.4350:

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• 2 people join a group, they kick the rest of the group within 30s of joining the party which was already at the end of the dungeon. I don’t see how there is confusion there

Could you clarify how scenario 2 could be something other than abuse and “stealing an instance” which is “bannable”?

I cannot believe that the logs you have about group formation and kicks won’t give you access to the kind of information to see that this is what actually happened. And how the bloody hell could you possibly interpret an occurence like that in any different way than an abuse of the lfg?

Selling or no selling has absolutely no impact on that in my opinion. If someone steals another persons dungeon for whatever bloody reason, that should be a bannable offense. Like Ryan Diederich stated.
And it should be the first time it happens and not only if someone fulfills their bloody monthly quota of lfg abuses.

I’d rather see a system of strong ownership…

Wait, let me start over:

I’d rather see ANet discuss these things with players before running in and implementing a solution that is no better than it was before. The new ownership model fixes one problem, but opens up a ton of griefing opportunities.

If they’d posted something, anything…“Hey, we’re going to revamp the ownership model to get rid of the bug that’s been here for two years. We want to touch base with you, the players, to make sure we understand the issue completely and implement something satisfactory!”

I have a feeling we would have ended up with a system of strong ownership:

• There is an instance owner. This player has sole control over kicking the other players. It is their party, and they are in charge.
• It takes one vote to kick other players: the owner’s vote.
• The owner may transfer ownership to another player by right clicking on the party UI.
• If the owner DC’s for 5+ minutes or otherwise leaves the party, ownership is transferred to another player, by vote or RNG.

This would fix:

• Instance destruction when owner leaves
• “Join & Kick” abuse
• The new “I lost my solo instance because I DC’d!” issue.

It clarifies who is in charge, prevents griefing, and protects both sellers and inexperienced players when they start their own groups.

Instead, these decisions are made behind closed doors with 0 community involvement. Is it any wonder that the results don’t jive with what the community wants?

dlonie.6547:

I’d rather see a system of strong ownership…

Wait, let me start over:

I’d rather see ANet discuss these things with players before running in and implementing a solution that is no better than it was before. The new ownership model fixes one problem, but opens up a ton of griefing opportunities.

If they’d posted something, anything…“Hey, we’re going to revamp the ownership model to get rid of the bug that’s been here for two years. We want to touch base with you, the players, to make sure we understand the issue completely and implement something satisfactory!”

I have a feeling we would have ended up with a system of strong ownership:

• There is an instance owner. This player has sole control over kicking the other players. It is their party, and they are in charge.
• It takes one vote to kick other players: the owner’s vote.
• The owner may transfer ownership to another player by right clicking on the party UI.
• If the owner DC’s for 5+ minutes or otherwise leaves the party, ownership is transferred to another player, by vote or RNG.

This would fix:

• Instance destruction when owner leaves
• “Join & Kick” abuse
• The new “I lost my solo instance because I DC’d!” issue.

It clarifies who is in charge, prevents griefing, and protects both sellers and inexperienced players when they start their own groups.

Instead, these decisions are made behind closed doors with 0 community involvement. Is it any wonder that the results don’t jive with what the community wants?

Why is this so freaking obvious to EVERYONE except anet?

Hire better thinkers maybe who play the godkitten game. That way they can see that the problem has nothing to do with someone owning the instance and everything to do with the lack of option to appoint a new owner.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

My 400+ dollars per month will go elsewhere.

I’m glad you’ve seen the light, Lilith.

dlonie.6547:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

My 400+ dollars per month will go elsewhere.

I’m glad you’ve seen the light, Lilith.

Dont start.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Why is this so freaking obvious to EVERYONE except anet?

Hire better thinkers maybe who play the godkitten game. That way they can see that the problem has nothing to do with someone owning the instance and everything to do with the lack of option to appoint a new owner.

They don’t even need to hire new thinkers — they’d just need to ask. We know what we want, and we could have identified these issues long before a single line of code was changed.

dlonie.6547:

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I’d rather see ANet discuss these things with players before running in and implementing a solution that is no better than it was before.
Instead, these decisions are made behind closed doors with 0 community involvement. Is it any wonder that the results don’t jive with what the community wants?

You had your chance during the Dungeon CDI. Oh wait…

Chris Cleary.8017:

Customer Service is not able to support party politics unless they involve cases of targeted harassment in-game. This is because of the number of different reasons that certain party politics happen. Since CS only has access to actions that occur in-game, we are unable to verify specifics for incidents in a large number of incidents.

Seriously not trying to be a kitten here, but really. This seems crazy. I must be missing something, please explain this to me…

Working off of the transcript that was shared in this thread as an example:

1) Player A solos dungeon and lists party on LFG “CM p3 for sale, Xg”.
2) Players B and C join party.
3) Player B says “Cash or kick!”
4) Player A refuses to pay the extortionists.
5) Players B & C kick player A, stealing the instance to sell/give to friends/etc.

Everything happens in game, and from merely glancing at chat logs it’d be obvious to see what has happened.

Are you saying that players B and C would not be immediately banned for griefing?

CS had their logs removed. It was too confusing.

dlonie.6547:

I’d rather see a system of strong ownership…

Wait, let me start over:

I’d rather see ANet discuss these things with players before running in and implementing a solution that is no better than it was before. The new ownership model fixes one problem, but opens up a ton of griefing opportunities.

If they’d posted something, anything…“Hey, we’re going to revamp the ownership model to get rid of the bug that’s been here for two years. We want to touch base with you, the players, to make sure we understand the issue completely and implement something satisfactory!”

I have a feeling we would have ended up with a system of strong ownership:

• There is an instance owner. This player has sole control over kicking the other players. It is their party, and they are in charge.
• It takes one vote to kick other players: the owner’s vote.
• The owner may transfer ownership to another player by right clicking on the party UI.
• If the owner DC’s for 5+ minutes or otherwise leaves the party, ownership is transferred to another player, by vote or RNG.

This would fix:

• Instance destruction when owner leaves
• “Join & Kick” abuse
• The new “I lost my solo instance because I DC’d!” issue.

It clarifies who is in charge, prevents griefing, and protects both sellers and inexperienced players when they start their own groups.

Instead, these decisions are made behind closed doors with 0 community involvement. Is it any wonder that the results don’t jive with what the community wants?

What you are describing here is what I had in EQ, and out of all the games I played I liked it the most. The one difference is that the leadership if the current leader left was transferred to the next person who joined the instance, or if you had multiple people join the instance together it was random or alphabetical (it’s been a while i can’t remember which).

I liked it so so much. It may have just been the community but I have to think that system was part of it as well, but we never had the griefing/kicking issues I see in this game.

DonQuack.9025:

CS had their logs removed. It was too confusing.

I laughed hard.

Xyonon.3987:

There is no problem with a system to choose from. We need two options, how to open a dungeon:

Ownership
It should be visible to the others who join. The owner cannot be kicked and has the ability to kick by himself. Others have no abilities.

No Ownership
Everyone can vote to kick a member. The majority has to agree (2/3, 3/4, 3/5).

What’cha think?

the no owner system would work alot better. it would be similar to the system used in the first guild wars.

And here it is…

They deleted that guy thread where he posted proof (and where the exploiter admitted) of people Abusing LFG, exploting and selling the path after. And you know what? I bet you 100 gold that I will see those 3 warriors logging on tomorrow, and the day after. I know it’s against policy to put name on the forum but there is no way to be heard otherwise.

About 10 months ago, I was live streaming on twitch, and some guy started fly hacking, admitting botting and more. I reported, and sent video to support. The guy has never been banned. Which is why I don’t bother reporting anymore…

Just got kicked out of an instance, that me and friend of mine duo’d up until the last encounter.
Took them seconds, after I posted an lfg, to join and kick both of us.
Must be nice being able to kick players out of the instance that they duo’d, then get the daily reward. Takes 2-3min. Dont see any reason actually doing dungeons. Just wait til someone posts an LFG which says “Selling xPath xGold”, join with your friend, kick them, and finish the dungeon. Minimum effort, maximum reward.

Trice.4598:

And here it is...

They deleted that guy thread where he posted proof (and where the exploiter admitted) of people Abusing LFG, exploting and selling the path after. And you know what? I bet you 100 gold that I will see those 3 warriors logging on tomorrow, and the day after. I know it’s against policy to put name on the forum but there is no way to be heard otherwise.

O.o
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x.x

That is so disgusting...words escape me.

*jedi mind trick* Everything is fine, new ownership model is the best. *waves hand*

Its not gem store related so anet won’t ever fix it… same with arah p2

I didn’t get my infraction

Nevets Crimsonwing.5271:

I didn’t get my infraction

I didn’t even get the “moved to trashcan” notification.

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again.

dlonie.6547:

ANet, you’re the worst.

Nevets Crimsonwing.5271:

I didn’t get my infraction

They can’t give infractions for complaints that don’t exist. jedi hand wave

Poor little wing. Have a cookie to make you feel better.

HyVent.6072:

Xyonon.3987:

There is no problem with a system to choose from. We need two options, how to open a dungeon:

Ownership
It should be visible to the others who join. The owner cannot be kicked and has the ability to kick by himself. Others have no abilities.

No Ownership
Everyone can vote to kick a member. The majority has to agree (2/3, 3/4, 3/5).

What’cha think?

the no owner system would work alot better. it would be similar to the system used in the first guild wars.

You misunderstood me. I want a system to choose betwen both of the options. So everyone will be happy!

Chris Cleary.8017:

Trice.4598:

And here it is…

They deleted that guy thread where he posted proof (and where the exploiter admitted) of people Abusing LFG, exploting and selling the path after. And you know what? I bet you 100 gold that I will see those 3 warriors logging on tomorrow, and the day after. I know it’s against policy to put name on the forum but there is no way to be heard otherwise.

I’ll take that 100g bet. We aren’t going to ignore reports of GM impersonation and harassment. This was a case of both, and has been dealt with. These players have been actioned, one more severely than the others.

That being said, putting that kind if information into a public post is just asking for the thread to be removed. Next time submit a CS Support Ticket please.

Next time, don’t say it’s allowed if it isn’t habitual.

Chris Cleary.8017:

Trice.4598:

And here it is…

They deleted that guy thread where he posted proof (and where the exploiter admitted) of people Abusing LFG, exploting and selling the path after. And you know what? I bet you 100 gold that I will see those 3 warriors logging on tomorrow, and the day after. I know it’s against policy to put name on the forum but there is no way to be heard otherwise.

I’ll take that 100g bet. We aren’t going to ignore reports of GM impersonation and harassment. This was a case of both, and has been dealt with. These players have been actioned, one more severely than the others.

That being said, putting that kind if information into a public post is just asking for the thread to be removed. Next time submit a CS Support Ticket please.

I hope you can understand why many of us here don’t have much faith in the system currently.

I don’t want ANet to just punish people for misbehaving; I want to see the system do a better job of preventing that from happening in the first place.

For argument’s sake, I’ll accept that ANet doesn’t want to get involved in party or guild drama. I’ll also accept that they don’t want to make it easy for people to sell dungeons (not sure exactly why, but that doesn’t matter).

The current situation still makes it all too easy for folks to lose their personal progress because two people decided to abuse the system.

There used to be good reasons for allowing party-kicks by only two people. Now, there aren’t any. If there is no longer an instance owner, then require four votes to kick and allow anyone to veto the kick request (so it doesn’t remain up).

Some have proposed some interesting variations, but all of those sound costly in terms of coding and troubleshooting. I’m hoping that just making it harder to kick will be relatively easy; I know that it would eliminate 80-90% of the current concerns.

Chris Cleary.8017:

Trice.4598:

And here it is…

They deleted that guy thread where he posted proof (and where the exploiter admitted) of people Abusing LFG, exploting and selling the path after. And you know what? I bet you 100 gold that I will see those 3 warriors logging on tomorrow, and the day after. I know it’s against policy to put name on the forum but there is no way to be heard otherwise.

I’ll take that 100g bet. We aren’t going to ignore reports of GM impersonation and harassment. This was a case of both, and has been dealt with. These players have been actioned, one more severely than the others.

That being said, putting that kind if information into a public post is just asking for the thread to be removed. Next time submit a CS Support Ticket please.

Wait so now in order for us future lfg victims to actually report any LFG abusers and hoping devs to take “action” against the abusers we have to make public 100g betting post against devs and provide a thread full of proofs only to be deleted? sounds like a decent gold sink

Yeah guys, submit a CS ticket next time so it can be dealt with properly, but keep in mind that getting kicked while selling is your own fault.

It looks like posting a thread is a more effective way to get results, honestly. Trying to get one of the griefers whiteknights of justice to pretend to be a GM seems to help, too.

Chris, we’re all just scratching our heads today, wondering what is going on over in Bellevue. So many mixed signals coming out….

TheFamster.7806:

Wait so now in order for us future lfg victims to actually report any LFG abusers and hoping devs to take “action” against the abusers we have to make public 100g betting post against devs and provide a thread full of proofs only to be deleted? sounds like a decent gold sink

Nope, the abusers have to impersonate GMs first.

No Pulse.2967:

TheFamster.7806:

Wait so now in order for us future lfg victims to actually report any LFG abusers and hoping devs to take “action” against the abusers we have to make public 100g betting post against devs and provide a thread full of proofs only to be deleted? sounds like a decent gold sink

Nope, the abusers have to impersonate GMs first.

Oh kitten . So its okay if they kick me out of the party at the last boss chest or run as long as they don’t impersonate GMs. Gotchu

Keep reporting guys. Unless you’re a dungeon seller. UNLESS they start saying they’re GMs, then we care because our street cred.

Hatred is still alive and well i see.

TheFamster.7806:

Oh kitten . So its okay if they kick me out of the party at the last boss chest or run as long as they don’t impersonate GMs. Gotchu

No, no – they will be banned if they do it very frequently.

No Pulse.2967:

TheFamster.7806:

Oh kitten . So its okay if they kick me out of the party at the last boss chest or run as long as they don’t impersonate GMs. Gotchu

No, no – they will be banned if they do it very frequently.

I guess doing it on weekly basis is okay. I’m wondering if people are forming a guild dedicated to kicking people using LFG system now

Chris Cleary.8017:

Trice.4598:

And here it is…

They deleted that guy thread where he posted proof (and where the exploiter admitted) of people Abusing LFG, exploting and selling the path after. And you know what? I bet you 100 gold that I will see those 3 warriors logging on tomorrow, and the day after. I know it’s against policy to put name on the forum but there is no way to be heard otherwise.

I’ll take that 100g bet. We aren’t going to ignore reports of GM impersonation and harassment. This was a case of both, and has been dealt with. These players have been actioned, one more severely than the others.

That being said, putting that kind if information into a public post is just asking for the thread to be removed. Next time submit a CS Support Ticket please.

Thanks for proving me wrong.

Who do I send to gold to :P?

Chris Cleary.8017:

Jerus.4350:

Chris Cleary.8017:

Trice.4598:

And here it is…

They deleted that guy thread where he posted proof (and where the exploiter admitted) of people Abusing LFG, exploting and selling the path after. And you know what? I bet you 100 gold that I will see those 3 warriors logging on tomorrow, and the day after. I know it’s against policy to put name on the forum but there is no way to be heard otherwise.

I’ll take that 100g bet. We aren’t going to ignore reports of GM impersonation and harassment. This was a case of both, and has been dealt with. These players have been actioned, one more severely than the others.

That being said, putting that kind if information into a public post is just asking for the thread to be removed. Next time submit a CS Support Ticket please.

I hope you can understand why many of us here don’t have much faith in the system currently.

Yup. But the problem about reporting here on the forums is that it requires information to be shared in a public place that should not be. It’s against the forum rules to do so, and thus the posts have to be taken down. However, in a CS Ticket, that isn’t the case.

As with any in-game enforcement, it is not going to be visable to anyone but the player being actioned (unless in rare cases like the one above). You want to see results of your reports and feel that your reports are going into a black hole. This is hardly the case, as most harassment cases (with actual information being shared in the ticket) are reviewed by a senior GM. Since we don’t share the results of those cases with the players reporting, you aren’t going to see when when someone gets actioned.

Most players that are actioned do not repeat offend. Unfortunately, some do…and they won’t be allowed back in when caught.

I agree that the party system has a problem with player kicks, and we aren’t going to ignore that. Unfortunately as it’s been stated by other devs, this isn’t an easy fix. Please keep your reports coming in until we fix the problem.

Instead of Eliminating the instance owner, you could have just made it a system to Handover ownership. Seems like an easy fix.

Scruffy.8241:

Chris Cleary.8017:

Jerus.4350:

Chris Cleary.8017:

Trice.4598:

And here it is…

They deleted that guy thread where he posted proof (and where the exploiter admitted) of people Abusing LFG, exploting and selling the path after. And you know what? I bet you 100 gold that I will see those 3 warriors logging on tomorrow, and the day after. I know it’s against policy to put name on the forum but there is no way to be heard otherwise.

I’ll take that 100g bet. We aren’t going to ignore reports of GM impersonation and harassment. This was a case of both, and has been dealt with. These players have been actioned, one more severely than the others.

That being said, putting that kind if information into a public post is just asking for the thread to be removed. Next time submit a CS Support Ticket please.

I hope you can understand why many of us here don’t have much faith in the system currently.

Yup. But the problem about reporting here on the forums is that it requires information to be shared in a public place that should not be. It’s against the forum rules to do so, and thus the posts have to be taken down. However, in a CS Ticket, that isn’t the case.

As with any in-game enforcement, it is not going to be visable to anyone but the player being actioned (unless in rare cases like the one above). You want to see results of your reports and feel that your reports are going into a black hole. This is hardly the case, as most harassment cases (with actual information being shared in the ticket) are reviewed by a senior GM. Since we don’t share the results of those cases with the players reporting, you aren’t going to see when when someone gets actioned.

Most players that are actioned do not repeat offend. Unfortunately, some do…and they won’t be allowed back in when caught.

I agree that the party system has a problem with player kicks, and we aren’t going to ignore that. Unfortunately as it’s been stated by other devs, this isn’t an easy fix. Please keep your reports coming in until we fix the problem.

Instead of Eliminating the instance owner, you could have just made it a system to Handover ownership. Seems like an easy fix.

A page of code too haaaard.

man I’d be fired from my job if I ever said anything like that to my customer.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

man I’d be fired from my job if I ever said anything like that to my customer.

Same here, Lilith. Wanna submit a resume to ANet with me? As long as we don’t get Hrouda’d it sounds like a pretty sweet gig.

Actually, I take that back — they seem to be running on a such a skeleton staff…the devs must be stressed 24/7 trying to keep up. No thanks.

BTW, <3 the Hatred line xD

dlonie.6547:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

man I’d be fired from my job if I ever said anything like that to my customer.

Same here, Lilith. Wanna submit a resume to ANet with me? As long as we don’t get Hrouda’d it sounds like a pretty sweet gig.

BTW, <3 the Hatred line xD

They interviewed me and then said I’d be brought in for an in person, then they saw my forum post history.