Yea, use AoE if you’re having trouble with melee weapons.
On my warrior I use longbow. Helps to have AoE classes
The burrows parts are a breeze when I have an ele or engie
If I can’t hit it with the sword, I switch to rifle.
But in those fights, I stand on top of it and chop down the adds it spawns while the ranged classes deal with the grub hole. Remember – you’re there with a group.
I just stand on top of them and strafe a tiny bit (left<→right) essentially staying in place. For whatever reason, this method works for me (Guardian GS). Inanimate object hit boxes in GW2 tend to be buggy in general.
we’re very aware of it (and as a ranger am eternally frustrated by it), and working hard on resolving the problem. I don’t have an ETA for you though.
i hope you’re aware that this hitbox issue involves all structures (yellow named objects with health and immune to conditions) in the game (roadblocks, burrows, even those towers in orr and arah story mode). as a thief, it’s incredibly painful that all i can do against them with my daggers is sit and watch, or throw my dancing dagger at it repeatedly like an idiot.
it’s just something I observed, but I notice when my war charge (#5 GS) at these, she hit an invisible wall a distance away from these object. So taking a guess, your BB volume isn’t align with your collision mesh? :P
equally frustrating is the lack of condition stacking on these things. A condition spec’d necro using Scepter is just useless as the base damage is garbage without the bleeds. I’m sure other classes have the same issues. I can understand not having confusion, weakness, chilled etc have any effect, but poison, bleed, and burning (DoT based conditions) should have the same effect they have on regular mobs.
We’re very aware it is happening with bunches of structures (bunches being a super technical design term). The fix SHOULD fix a lot of situations.
lol, and thanks for the reply. just hope it’s sooner than later, i wouldn’t want to carry a sword around with my thief just so i can punch the occasional structure.
equally frustrating is the lack of condition stacking on these things. A condition spec’d necro using Scepter is just useless as the base damage is garbage without the bleeds. I’m sure other classes have the same issues. I can understand not having confusion, weakness, chilled etc have any effect, but poison, bleed, and burning (DoT based conditions) should have the same effect they have on regular mobs.
how do you bleed a log?
only one i can see making sense is burning.
what they could do is turn the condition damage into bonus raw damage VS structures. not DoT, just extra damage. say you poison for 100 damage, and hit for another 100. instead of causing 100 damage to the structure, or causing 100 damage and applying poison for another 100, it would cause 200 damage. the DoT could be scaled to keep things from getting absurd (read: instagibbing structures), but i think there’s potential in this idea.
I get that it may “break immersion” for some people because no, you can’t bleed or poison a log/door/rock whatever, but I think it may be an easier fix by saying X/Y/Z conditions can effect this object as opposed to rewriting the skill system to have a separate number for mob vs object on those conditions and still keep the DPS in check.
we’re very aware of it (and as a ranger am eternally frustrated by it), and working hard on resolving the problem. I don’t have an ETA for you though.
Thanks for at least recognizing and acknowledging that it is a problem..hope it gets fixed soon..also..glad to see progression made on dungeons based on community input
How do you throw a greatsword the size of your body like a boomerang, then have it circle in a perfect 360, THEN turn around (though a wall most of the time mind you), and come back to you and grab it taking no physical injury?
How do you throw a greatsword the size of your body like a boomerang, then have it circle in a perfect 360, THEN turn around (though a wall most of the time mind you), and come back to you and grab it taking no physical injury?
It’s called “Magic” :P
BTW, trees have blood, we call it Sap. It flows alot faster then people think, only becomming viscus on contact with Air. That is how bugs get trapped in Amber, they wern’t just to slow to move out of the way of the slow moving sap, it Flowed quite quickly when the tree was injured, enveloping the bug before solidifying.
equally frustrating is the lack of condition stacking on these things. A condition spec’d necro using Scepter is just useless as the base damage is garbage without the bleeds. I’m sure other classes have the same issues. I can understand not having confusion, weakness, chilled etc have any effect, but poison, bleed, and burning (DoT based conditions) should have the same effect they have on regular mobs.
how do you bleed a log?
only one i can see making sense is burning.
How do you bleed, burn, or poison a walking pile of rocks, for that matter. You couldn’t in GW1, and it seems to me that they decided to eschew “reality” in favor of not making classes like rangers and necros useless against those mobs (a good move, IMNSHO).
I simply just dont target them, i am using melee weapons so it makes it easier.
I never understood why targeting a spicific structure that you can hit when you dont standing in the same exact location suddenly makes you miss.
And im also quite certain that i had no issues whatsoever on my ranger with structures ( yes i target them with range weapons ). allthough its been a while since i vent to a dungeon with it
Not sure what side your on, but I was for Condition damage hitting objects. I was only trying to point out that a “realism” debate for why we can’t use condition dmg on objects is utterly pointless, because the game itself has no basis in it.
And if someone does use “magic” as a point, that is itself null because “magic” has no real property. I can easily say I can burn/bleed rocks by using “magic” the same way a ranger never has to feed his pet, or we never had to buy bullets/arrows to our ranged weapons.
We’re very aware it is happening with bunches of structures (bunches being a super technical design term). The fix SHOULD fix a lot of situations.
Are you also aware of this bug having to do with targeting?
If the player disables auto-target (so it doesn’t get targeted again), then deselects the burrow and just aims their attacks in its direction, they will all hit without problem. You don’t have to circle or do any weird stuff.
We’re very aware it is happening with bunches of structures (bunches being a super technical design term). The fix SHOULD fix a lot of situations.
Are you also aware of this bug having to do with targeting?
If the player disables auto-target (so it doesn’t get targeted again), then deselects the burrow and just aims their attacks in its direction, they will all hit without problem. You don’t have to circle or do any weird stuff.
Don’t ever have to target the burrow at all just swing/shoot in general direction and everything will land.
We’re very aware it is happening with bunches of structures (bunches being a super technical design term). The fix SHOULD fix a lot of situations.
Are you also aware of this bug having to do with targeting?
If the player disables auto-target (so it doesn’t get targeted again), then deselects the burrow and just aims their attacks in its direction, they will all hit without problem. You don’t have to circle or do any weird stuff.
Don’t ever have to target the burrow at all just swing/shoot in general direction and everything will land.
That is pretty much exactly what is written in my post.
Please remember condition damage affecting objects. INCLUDING confusion. I’m curious to know how you guys will deal with this one considering objects don’t activate abilities. Mesmer condition builds are super frustrating.
We’re very aware it is happening with bunches of structures (bunches being a super technical design term). The fix SHOULD fix a lot of situations.
Are you also aware of this bug having to do with targeting?
If the player disables auto-target (so it doesn’t get targeted again), then deselects the burrow and just aims their attacks in its direction, they will all hit without problem. You don’t have to circle or do any weird stuff.
Don’t ever have to target the burrow at all just swing/shoot in general direction and everything will land.
That is pretty much exactly what is written in my post.
Its easy to melee something without aiming…but shooting a bow without targeting?! Not a reasonable way to bypass the bug.
We’re very aware it is happening with bunches of structures (bunches being a super technical design term). The fix SHOULD fix a lot of situations.
Are you also aware of this bug having to do with targeting?
If the player disables auto-target (so it doesn’t get targeted again), then deselects the burrow and just aims their attacks in its direction, they will all hit without problem. You don’t have to circle or do any weird stuff.
Don’t ever have to target the burrow at all just swing/shoot in general direction and everything will land.
That is pretty much exactly what is written in my post.
Its easy to melee something without aiming…but shooting a bow without targeting?! Not a reasonable way to bypass the bug.
Ranged attacks fly towards the middle of your screen. HTH
You don’t need to be mega exact at all.
It’s not like I said there wasn’t a problem, but let’s not act like the bug is hard to circumvent.
It’s been 21 days or three weeks since you said you were aware of the problem and working on a solution, but yu didn’t have an ETA.
Obviously, we still don’t have a solution. But how about an ETA? Could you at the very least give us that?
Or how about “no sooner than”? Even if you don’t know when it’s going to be finished, you should at least know of a few patches it won’t be in for sure, even if it was finished today. There is testing, build-times etc., so if your developers tell you “surely not finished before the end of next week” you could reasonably make a statement like “not before december-patch”. Any hey, if it comes any sooner, we’d be happy. If it comes later than the “not before” date, that’s to be expected.
How about they remove the content/alter it until they can get it working as intended? Change these encounters completely (time consuming) or signifcantly reduce the spawn times on the burrows so that players have much more time to adjust to the obstruction bug and finish the encounter. It’s not fair that we are dealing with a known bug with no solution for so long.
Pull a WvW orb removal and remove/alter this content so that for as long as the bug isn’t fixed, the encounter is less frustrating than it’s current form.
It is quite easy to melee burrows. Simply stand on top of the burrow just in front of the hole, look right at it and poke it with your sword/other melee, no need for fancy foreplay/strafing, just stand right there and give it all you got.
It guarantees hits every time as well as hits the gravelings spawned from them simultaneously.
Quasi-elitist dungeoneer and missing Gw1 GvGs greatly.
“GW2’s PvE is almost as bad as the PvP.”
I get missed/out of range (!) messages 70% of the time with meele (thief dual dagger) no matter where I stand. (AC explorer, path 3) With ranged I get “obstructed” sometimes but it works (not a solution however). Very annoying and it’s amazing ANet couldn’t fix it since the release.
Not sure what side your on, but I was for Condition damage hitting objects. I was only trying to point out that a “realism” debate for why we can’t use condition dmg on objects is utterly pointless, because the game itself has no basis in it.
And if someone does use “magic” as a point, that is itself null because “magic” has no real property. I can easily say I can burn/bleed rocks by using “magic” the same way a ranger never has to feed his pet, or we never had to buy bullets/arrows to our ranged weapons.
You could say I was on your side. Magic has no basis in reality either, well Ok, some basis, but not to the extent we use it in a Fantacy game.
…any word on a fix for this?
