I helped a friend with HotW story the other day and it turned out that two of the bosses there use the exact same attacks as Andall and Ginva. I think one of them even had the same model as the explorable path counterpart. Really shows how much effort they put into designing the fights. :P
I helped a friend with HotW story the other day and it turned out that two of the bosses there use the exact same attacks as Andall and Ginva. I think one of them even had the same model as the explorable path counterpart. Really shows how much effort they put into designing the fights. :P
Another thing telling me HotW was kind of rushed out was the fact that there was a huge hole in the wall that let you walk from one path to the other…
Btw, has that been patched yet?
Legion of Doom [LOD] – Death ’n Taxes [DnT]
“People wanting content where Berserker sucks should remember that it needs be so hard
that they will cry, not just a river, but a huge ocean.” – Wethospu
Man, if dungeon revamps are tied into Living Story, the changes are gonna be full of bugs and glitches and it’ll have terrible QA, unlike the pristine state of dungeons at the moment.
Second of all, and more importantly, when the dungeon revamps hit, are you actually going to adjust the gold rewards for them according to their relative difficulty, or are you keeping the newly implemented lazy system.
Also, is there any incentive to change the dungeon token DR? Maybe add 40 tokens to a path and 20 to the daily instead, so that running different paths is better, but there is still some incentive to redo paths on different characters?
> mfw LoD goes back to mindlessly farming CoE on alts and ignoring every other dungeon.
or you go learn how to arah properly (tsk tsk), before it’s too late :O
Great to hear that this will most likely be fixed! A mechanic where a player does not have to move and can just freely DPS under reflects is not a great mechanic.
Haha I’m all for dungeon variety, but before the update it was nigh impossible to find a guild group for anything other than CoE. So despite currently not being able to rerun a path (not worth!) I’m still pro ‘anti-farm’ updates.
It used to be like, run the same dungeon over and over and over, whilst sitting there making fun of the CoF farmers, it was hypocrisy in its finest, and I’m very glad it’s no longer profitable. (Got kitten filtered there what the hell, please make a NSFW sub-forum so I can form sentences that make sense.)
However I wouldn’t mind some accurate gold rewards to be implemented ^-^
….Is this…. still the dungeon forum?? I think I clicked on it but got redirected somewhere else. ….either that or TA is going to get the Detha treatment and F/U’ers will WISH they simply had the gimmicky fast but sometimes completely broken old version back
Haha I’m all for dungeon variety, but before the update it was nigh impossible to find a guild group for anything other than CoE. So despite currently not being able to rerun a path (not worth!) I’m still pro ‘anti-farm’ updates.
It used to be like, run the same dungeon over and over and over, whilst sitting there making fun of the CoF farmers, it was hypocrisy in its finest, and I’m very glad it’s no longer profitable. (Got kitten filtered there what the hell, please make a NSFW sub-forum so I can form sentences that make sense.)
However I wouldn’t mind some accurate gold rewards to be implemented ^-^
Stop running with Rogers and Demona and run with me more often… I almost never do CoE. Arah > TA > CM > AC > CoE > SE >>> CoF >>>> … >>>> HotW is my personal order of favorite dungeons.
But yeah, it was getting pretty annoying when they farmed CoE all day. But still, I would like the 40 – 20 distribution over the 20 – 40 so I can do Arah on multiple characters and not feel like I wasted my time…
Legion of Doom [LOD] – Death ’n Taxes [DnT]
“People wanting content where Berserker sucks should remember that it needs be so hard
that they will cry, not just a river, but a huge ocean.” – Wethospu
Haha I’m all for dungeon variety, but before the update it was nigh impossible to find a guild group for anything other than CoE. So despite currently not being able to rerun a path (not worth!) I’m still pro ‘anti-farm’ updates.
It used to be like, run the same dungeon over and over and over, whilst sitting there making fun of the CoF farmers, it was hypocrisy in its finest, and I’m very glad it’s no longer profitable. (Got kitten filtered there what the hell, please make a NSFW sub-forum so I can form sentences that make sense.)
However I wouldn’t mind some accurate gold rewards to be implemented ^-^
Stop running with Rogers and Demona and run with me more often… I almost never do CoE. Arah > TA > CM > AC > CoE > SE >>> CoF >>>> … >>>> HotW is my personal order of favorite dungeons.
But yeah, it was getting pretty annoying when they farmed CoE all day. But still, I would like the 40 – 20 distribution over the 20 – 40 so I can do Arah on multiple characters and not feel like I wasted my time…
After more than 30k Arah tokens, I could really just go for some more gold and/or dungeon specific-exotics. Man, even if they just got rid of pitiful piles and put an actual lodestone in there…
The recipes are fun to try and get, though. I still haven’t had a single one
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The GW1 dungeon loot style of “x amount of unique exotics from y dungeon” would also bring some extra ‘flavour’ to dungeon paths.
Although I think it’s highly unlikely they’ll bring it back, but it’s something from GW1 I really miss…
Legion of Doom [LOD] – Death ’n Taxes [DnT]
“People wanting content where Berserker sucks should remember that it needs be so hard
that they will cry, not just a river, but a huge ocean.” – Wethospu
TA is high on the list of dungeon candidates as our permanent dungeon revamp/updates begin to start back up again as themes for some of our living world releases.
A dev in the dungeon forum?!? And Colin Johanson, no less. I guess now we know where a thread count hits critical mass. Thanks for the update, Colin. Hope it happens soon.
The problem with Forward/Up isn’t that it’s a hard boss that can’t be taken down by a good number of group compositions. (Though that last part is a problem.) The problem is that the difficulty spike of the boss is unreasonable – especially in a in a level 55 dungeon. Yeah, a mesmer and a group of DPS guardians/warriors can probably easily do this boss, but there are legitimate reasons why groups wouldn’t enjoy the boss and not just that they need to “LTP.”
“The problem is that the difficulty spike of the boss is unreasonable – especially in a in a level 55 dungeon.”
The spider queen in AC is more difficult than this boss and AC is the lowest level dungeon. The differences are that the spider queen adds do not respawn (neither fight resets to the start) and there are common knowledge AC tactics.
The problem with Forward/Up isn’t that it’s a hard boss that can’t be taken down by a good number of group compositions. (Though that last part is a problem.) The problem is that the difficulty spike of the boss is unreasonable – especially in a in a level 55 dungeon. Yeah, a mesmer and a group of DPS guardians/warriors can probably easily do this boss, but there are legitimate reasons why groups wouldn’t enjoy the boss and not just that they need to “LTP.”
DPS gear isn’t even needed, since you can’t crit on the boss. So technically, someone wielding PVT or someone wielding full zerk are on equal grounds when it comes to taking down this boss.
Not to mention, it’s been done without using reflects, and I did it the other day with 3 people who hadn’t done TA in forever/at all, and it went just fine. All we had for reflects was my WoR and Shield of the Avenger and we did just fine.
This boss isn’t hard, people are just bad at this game. You just complain that he’s too hard to excuse your own incompetence.
Legion of Doom [LOD] – Death ’n Taxes [DnT]
“People wanting content where Berserker sucks should remember that it needs be so hard
that they will cry, not just a river, but a huge ocean.” – Wethospu
“The problem is that the difficulty spike of the boss is unreasonable – especially in a in a level 55 dungeon.”
The spider queen in AC is more difficult than this boss and AC is the lowest level dungeon. The differences are that the spider queen adds do not respawn (neither fight resets to the start) and there are common knowledge AC tactics.
Spider Queen can be incredibly easily trivialized into a dodge-a-single-telegraphed-attack boss though. Maybe I could even solo or duo it on my guardian.
Never thought we would see a response from a dev. At least someone is reading. We look forward to changes in dungeons in general. To all the posters, we accomplished something we thought wasn’t possible so I beg you!!! Stop Ben Affleck from being Batman!!!
Mr. Johanson is the game director, so not really a “dev” per se. More of a PR man in his position. What we want is actual dialogue with people doing the coding for dungeons.
Mr. Johanson is the game director, so not really a “dev” per se. More of a PR man in his position. What we want is actual dialogue with people doing the coding for dungeons.
Mr. Johanson is the game director, so not really a “dev” per se. More of a PR man in his position. What we want is actual dialogue with people doing the coding for dungeons.
There aren’t any of those people.
Apparently there’s at least one person tinkering with fractals since they get changed in almost every patch. Yes I know there’s no dungeon team, but if what Colin says is true there are going to be people doing actual dungeon work.
Plus, there were people that did the coding for the revamped rewards. Those didn’t magically poof into existence.
Mr. Johanson is the game director, so not really a “dev” per se. More of a PR man in his position. What we want is actual dialogue with people doing the coding for dungeons.
There aren’t any of those people.
Apparently there’s at least one person tinkering with fractals since they get changed in almost every patch. Yes I know there’s no dungeon team, but if what Colin says is true there are going to be people doing actual dungeon work.
Plus, there were people that did the coding for the revamped rewards. Those didn’t magically poof into existence.
Plus, there were people that did the coding for the revamped rewards. Those didn’t magically poof into existence.
Doesn’t mean there is a dungeon team, I don’t think it’s that hard to actually make these changes and it doesn’t really need a whole team to make, maybe they got some people from the living story team and had them do these changes, as for what the rewards should be I don’t think they even played the dungeons, they just read some threads and it probably had something like
“cof is too easy, I don’t like AC changes, ZOMG arah is so hard/arah is the hardest dungeon,”
and they were like, ok… they didn’t mention other dungeons so lets just give them 1g…
Jeeha (ele) and Jeeha The Warrior
Is currently emotionally unstable because Breaking Bad is over
The game director posting is more important than a developer. The game director will determine much more of what is done than a developer for the big picture.
Stop running with Rogers and Demona and run with me more often… I almost never do CoE. Arah > TA > CM > AC > CoE > SE >>> CoF >>>> … >>>> HotW is my personal order of favorite dungeons.
But yeah, it was getting pretty annoying when they farmed CoE all day. But still, I would like the 40 – 20 distribution over the 20 – 40 so I can do Arah on multiple characters and not feel like I wasted my time…
I haven’t done CoE for a while now that I think about it. I try to do TA and AC daily (DEM RECIPES), then whatever other people are doing, maybe a bit of totally legit and non exploiting Arah runs…. I’ll learn how to do it properly when you can’t bug everything xD
Also be on during Oceanic ‘master race’ hours then!
Stop running with Rogers and Demona and run with me more often… I almost never do CoE. Arah > TA > CM > AC > CoE > SE >>> CoF >>>> … >>>> HotW is my personal order of favorite dungeons.
But yeah, it was getting pretty annoying when they farmed CoE all day. But still, I would like the 40 – 20 distribution over the 20 – 40 so I can do Arah on multiple characters and not feel like I wasted my time…
I haven’t done CoE for a while now that I think about it. I try to do TA and AC daily (DEM RECIPES), then whatever other people are doing, maybe a bit of totally legit and non exploiting Arah runs…. I’ll learn how to do it properly when you can’t bug everything xD
Also be on during Oceanic ‘master race’ hours then!
You always have to go when we do our arah runs or our SE. Oceanic master race tho, i agree with that.
And you have to do it in one go, as the spiders don’t despawn (from what I’ve read).
They don’t despawn at all. And thats what screws everyone over. It’s nearly impossible to recover from the fight if the party wipes, which means you have to re-do the entire path just to be able to fight the tree again with a clean slate.
I helped a friend with HotW story the other day and it turned out that two of the bosses there use the exact same attacks as Andall and Ginva. I think one of them even had the same model as the explorable path counterpart. Really shows how much effort they put into designing the fights. :P
To add to this, there’s a level 14 champion corrupted kodan in Snowden Drifts that’s a part of an event. It uses the very same model and attacks as Torn Fur in HotW P2.
If I may ask, Colin, is TA the highest on that revamp list? And, if not, which dungeon is?
If I had to guess, I would put CoF, SE, CoE or TA in the top four. The Living Story so far seems most closely related to the factions involved in those dugneons. The Molten Alliance touches on dredge and the Flame Legion so CoF and SE might be options. Scarlet has been involved with the Inquest in the past and asuran research is a big part of her history, so CoE could be a good fit. I only say TA because of Scarlet’s sylvari connection, she doesn’t appear to be a Nightmare Courtier but they might go down that road.
From a story perspective I suspect HotW, Arah and AC are less likely (AC also had its redesign). I can see CM as a possible option but it appears they have avoided that with the human plot so far, unless Kasmeer and Marjory get involved with that.
I wonder if they are prioritising it based on how badly a dungeon needs a redesign as opposed to how much the redesign fits in with the story they are trying to tell.
TAkittenimpossible? I beg to differ. Sure you can’t blow past it with a party made of zerkers but honestly, that’s how every dungeon should be. Go back to your casual land.
TAkittenimpossible? I beg to differ. Sure you can’t blow past it with a party made of zerkers but honestly, that’s how every dungeon should be. Go back to your casual land.
TAkittenimpossible? I beg to differ. Sure you can’t blow past it with a party made of zerkers but honestly, that’s how every dungeon should be. Go back to your casual land.
Wut? Is he baiting?
Legion of Doom [LOD] – Death ’n Taxes [DnT]
“People wanting content where Berserker sucks should remember that it needs be so hard
that they will cry, not just a river, but a huge ocean.” – Wethospu
People who complain about TA UP are also people who complain about having to have a guardian/mes to reflect for them.
You won’t convince them so easy.
No, there are a ton of people who had guards in the group who still complain how hard it is, and range him despite having a guard with new exploity techique such as max ranging with rangers to not aggro anything.
Here’s a 4men with only one guard and zero mes. I’m pretty sure it could be done as five (why does the 5 turn into “kitten”..) men with no guard if the 5th was a class like ele/thief etc with some blind and reflect of their own.
Also, no actual burst dps to speak of beside the poor lone war. No lightning hammer, no fiery greatsword, not really trying much to maximize might etc.
The only way I’d see a group fail this boss in a 5 people party that coordinate a little is to have 5 necro/5war or a mix of both.
Hell, in the videos I linked both the ele and guard wasted the reflect because you should only start casting them when he does his first shake.
This boss doesn’t need a nerf. The only thing it needs is for the fight to restart after a fail. That’s a reasonable demand.
I never had a group made from friendlist that failed this though.
- “No tears, please. It’s a waste of good suffering.”
People who complain about TA UP are also people who complain about having to have a guardian/mes to reflect for them.
You won’t convince them so easy.
No, there are a ton of people who had guards in the group who still complain how hard it is, and range him despite having a guard with new exploity techique such as max ranging with rangers to not aggro anything.
Here’s a 4men with only one guard and zero mes. I’m pretty sure it could be done as five (why does the 5 turn into “kitten”..) men with no guard if the 5th was a class like ele/thief etc with some blind and reflect of their own.
Also, no actual burst dps to speak of beside the poor lone war. No lightning hammer, no fiery greatsword, not really trying much to maximize might etc.
The only way I’d see a group fail this boss in a 5 people party that coordinate a little is to have 5 necro/5war or a mix of both.
Hell, in the videos I linked both the ele and guard wasted the reflect because you should only start casting them when he does his first shake.
This boss doesn’t need a nerf. The only thing it needs is for the fight to restart after a fail. That’s a reasonable demand.
I never had a group made from friendlist that failed this though.
Well ya, baddies are baddies. They’d rather have the easy way out than L2P under the assumption that it’s not their fault and that the content is ‘unfair’ and give the ‘play how I want’ arguement and refuse to change their skills.
It’s sad that dungeons, which were intended for hardcore players, is now getting nerfed to be easier so casuals could complete them… it’s like there’s no place left for hardcore players in this game.
Quasi-elitist dungeoneer and missing Gw1 GvGs greatly.
“GW2’s PvE is almost as bad as the PvP.”
An excerpt from map chat that reminded me of why all these people faceplant so bad on things like these. Does anet really want to cater to the crowd of "it’s a wvwvw build, it “pwn” in wvwvw it’s good enough for pve"?
- “No tears, please. It’s a waste of good suffering.”
An excerpt from map chat that reminded me of why all these people faceplant so bad on things like these. Does anet really want to cater to the crowd of "it’s a wvwvw build, it “pwn” in wvwvw it’s good enough for pve"?
wow.. that map chat ._. dem bunker guards new PvE meta! pwning all the dungeons!
but my staff ele in 0/010/30/30 full clerics with dwayna runes is 100% viable in dungeons. I will make sure anyone who disagrees with me get infracted.
Your 5 got ‘kittened’ because you wrote as ‘5’ and in 1337speak, 5 is an S, meaning you spelled the word that people use to describe the peripherals around the hole where feces come out of.
Try typing ’ 45 seconds ’ with ‘seconds’ abbreviated to ‘s’.
The filter on this site is beyond moronic. It’s flipping pants-on-head-ret*rded.
Legion of Doom [LOD] – Death ’n Taxes [DnT]
“People wanting content where Berserker sucks should remember that it needs be so hard
that they will cry, not just a river, but a huge ocean.” – Wethospu
. Oceanic master race tho, i agree with that.