Ranger were able to abuse the blast finisher on pet swap in some, very gimmicky situations (You needed a tonic without cooldown for that. You would just spam the tonic to get a blast finisher each time you transform).
The logic reaction to that bug is obviously to give the trait a 30s IRC, while the petswap is 15s untraited. Logic. Balancing at its finest.
Tbf that trait stated 30s cooldown from the start, it was just bugged and fixed.
Yeah, because one blastfinisher on a 15s cooldown is way too OP…
Ranger were able to abuse the blast finisher on pet swap in some, very gimmicky situations (You needed a tonic without cooldown for that. You would just spam the tonic to get a blast finisher each time you transform).
The logic reaction to that bug is obviously to give the trait a 30s IRC, while the petswap is 15s untraited. Logic. Balancing at its finest.
Tbf that trait stated 30s cooldown from the start, it was just bugged and fixed.
Yeah, because one blastfinisher on a 15s cooldown is way too OP…
Oh come ON, the 5 guard teamcomp is so stupid I don’t even know. I keep chatting and going afk while aaing and I couldn’t even down at archie. NERF THE HELL OUT OF IT
Oh come ON, the 5 guard teamcomp is so stupid I don’t even know. I keep chatting and going afk while aaing and I couldn’t even down at archie. NERF THE HELL OUT OF IT
Oh come ON, the 5 guard teamcomp is so stupid I don’t even know. I keep chatting and going afk while aaing and I couldn’t even down at archie. NERF THE HELL OUT OF IT
but, but….
Yeah exactly HIT IT SO HARD WITH THE NERFBAT IT CAN’T GET BACK UP NO MOAR
Oh come ON, the 5 guard teamcomp is so stupid I don’t even know. I keep chatting and going afk while aaing and I couldn’t even down at archie. NERF THE HELL OUT OF IT
Oh come ON, the 5 guard teamcomp is so stupid I don’t even know. I keep chatting and going afk while aaing and I couldn’t even down at archie. NERF THE HELL OUT OF IT
but, but….
Yeah exactly HIT IT SO HARD WITH THE NERFBAT IT CAN’T GET BACK UP NO MOAR
I don’t like easy mode in the game. But I don’t want to see the spec get nerfed into the ground. There are changes needed, perhaps anet could juggle some traits around. Don’t want to see other builds that use similar traits killed due to one easy mode set up that I will never use.
“We have now left Reason and Sanity Junction. Next stop, Looneyville.”
With anet it’s either nerfbat or nothing. I prefer nerfbat. This is absolutely pathetic.
Honestly, they should just nerf the hell of this quickness spamming/damage modifiers bullkitten and bring everyone in line on trash level—- err I mean ranger’s level.
Seems only fair. You gotta suffer a bit.
Ranger were able to abuse the blast finisher on pet swap in some, very gimmicky situations (You needed a tonic without cooldown for that. You would just spam the tonic to get a blast finisher each time you transform).
The logic reaction to that bug is obviously to give the trait a 30s IRC, while the petswap is 15s untraited. Logic. Balancing at its finest.
Tbf that trait stated 30s cooldown from the start, it was just bugged and fixed.
Yeah, because one blastfinisher on a 15s cooldown is way too OP…
I’m just saying I dont think whoever changed that trait spent much thought about whether it was strong or not, he was probably just making the trait work like the tooltip states it would.
Btw, Vampiric Presence feels a bit underwhelming doesnt it? On a buffed zerker build @3.4k power, 1000 average weapon strength and an average modifier of 2 per hit (including traits*equip*vuln*crits = 4x, skillmodifier = 0.5x) I get a damage increase equivalent to roughly +50 power. I felt 3.4k power and *4 modifier were a good estimate for an average meta pug build. I’m unsure about the average per hit skillmodifier of 0.5, some classes like necro or maybe guard might go below that, others should go above? I think on among all classes 0.5 skillmod per hit should be on the lower end. If we increase power, average weapon strength or modifiers, vampiric presences performance only gets worse compared to +stat.
250 power among the party from a single trait isnt bad, and the trait performs comparatively better in different groups, and anet has to consider the selfheal (eh) but still, I was hoping for a little more. Or maybe my math is wrong, thats not unlikely.
If symbolic avenger is counting each symbol, needs to be fixed. As for stacking quickness like you can do… I don’t know, I have a feeling that if avenger is working that way (which it looks like from that Mighty Blow) I’d like ot see that nerfed first and re-kitten it.
Ranger were able to abuse the blast finisher on pet swap in some, very gimmicky situations (You needed a tonic without cooldown for that. You would just spam the tonic to get a blast finisher each time you transform).
The logic reaction to that bug is obviously to give the trait a 30s IRC, while the petswap is 15s untraited. Logic. Balancing at its finest.
Tbf that trait stated 30s cooldown from the start, it was just bugged and fixed.
Yeah, because one blastfinisher on a 15s cooldown is way too OP…
I’m just saying I dont think whoever changed that trait spent much thought about whether it was strong or not, he was probably just making the trait work like the tooltip states it would.
Btw, Vampiric Presence feels a bit underwhelming doesnt it? On a buffed zerker build @3.4k power, 1000 average weapon strength and an average modifier of 2 per hit (including traits*equip*vuln*crits = 4x, skillmodifier = 0.5x) I get a damage increase equivalent to roughly +50 power. I felt 3.4k power and *4 modifier were a good estimate for an average meta pug build. I’m unsure about the average per hit skillmodifier of 0.5, some classes like necro or maybe guard might go below that, others should go above? I think on among all classes 0.5 skillmod per hit should be on the lower end. If we increase power, average weapon strength or modifiers, vampiric presences performance only gets worse compared to +stat.
250 power among the party from a single trait isnt bad, and the trait performs comparatively better in different groups, and anet has to consider the selfheal (eh) but still, I was hoping for a little more. Or maybe my math is wrong, thats not unlikely.
The only thing that effects VP damage is power. Its armour ignoring and unaffected by mods, vuln etc. I believe the max damage ticks possible is 42. So from that you just need to work out the average number of hits per second in your group to work out the group dps increase.
And yes it is very weak for pure damage. It is however very nice for sustain and armour ignoring damage.
@spoj: yeah I didnt add power, crits etc to vp (in fact I forgot that lifesteal scales at all). I just used an average build to compare +39 damage per hit by vp to +39 damage per hit by x amount of power. I also assumed a 2600 armor target.
Regarding symbolic avenger and stacking symbols I just did a quick test in hotm . Equipping only honor, radiance and zeal and picking only symbolic avenger as major trait, then spamming mace, gs and staff symbol on top of each other. I grabbed the highest critical damage and put it into the damage formula with (vuln*symbolic avenger) as unknown value. If I didn’t kitten up the math the highest crit was done with about 1,39 modifier from (vuln*symbolic avenger), which is surprisingly close to 1,05*1,1*1,1*1,1 (estimated 5 vuln from the minor trait). Vuln and weapon damage range give a bit of wiggle room, but not enough for almost +40% damage.
On the other hand a guard on quickness isn’t really stacking symbols, but the trait behaves oddly anyways (put down a single symbol on a random mob and watch the trait trigger only on some of the hits), and maybe quickness is messing with the trait. Maybe the trait is bugged but has no influence on the damage of guardway.
Ok, regarding balance and theorycrafting…
I found some butter cookies! God, and to think I forgot about them. YUSSSSSSS
… but I still haven’t digested my dinner. God kitten kitten.
The only thing that effects VP damage is power. Its armour ignoring and unaffected by mods, vuln etc. I believe the max damage ticks possible is 42.
42 when my ele is hitting 6k crits is 0.7% if there is no icd and you have a ps war, it’s kind of underwhelming. Though it is very amusing to be draining mai trin’s hp through her shield, that’s probably the most enjoyable part of having random pug necros in my fractal parties.
Also hammer benefits the most from quickness since its basically only autoattacking, and with 5 guards you have 25s of quicknes on a 30s recharge. You also are capped on vuln, might and fury. And sadly imo this is not only a fun-build or sth like this, but it actually does an insane amount of damage (Mossman melting in seconds).
Take a look at some of these build’s names and their respective rating. We truly are the minority
The amount of crap I’ve seen people running in pugs lately… And now this. -__-
Hehe,
“dungeon tank\healing support shouter” Mace/Shield
“Spirits, Speed and Boons” Greatsword
“Taking one for the team” Scepter – Torch
“Fus-Ro-Dah healer” Mace/Shield
Take a look at some of these build’s names and their respective rating. We truly are the minority
The amount of crap I’ve seen people running in pugs lately… And now this. -__-
Hehe,
“dungeon tank\healing support shouter” Mace/Shield
“Spirits, Speed and Boons” Greatsword
“Taking one for the team” Scepter – Torch
“Fus-Ro-Dah healer” Mace/Shield
I’m kittening dying in here swift
I think pugs are actually running these things.
Yesterday I jumped in a zerk only pug party cuz I was bored and the person who started the group was running what had to be “dungeon tank\healing support shouter”. This has happened a few times where the leader wants zerk only but is himself not really contributing, idk what’s going on there…
Oh I know what’s happening there… He knows zerk is actually good but he also knows he would die constantly if he wear it. Then he proclaims himself as “the support of all zerkers”, creating an imaginary role for him to feel good about his “skill” and importance in the group.
Does the grandmaster guardian trait Battle Presence “Nearby allies gain Virtue of Resolve’s passive effect” stack with eachother? I mean if 5 guardians use that trait will they have 5xpassive heal or just one?
Seriously? Buff warriors some more since they don’t have any group buffs…°
Blah.
But it’s cool, gonna get some healing and regen with druid spec, it’s good to enjoy ranger and royally taking it up the kitten at the same time, who wouldn’t wuv it
/uninstall brain’s drivers
Gonna use the tank/healing dungeon shouter build from now on, ain’t nobody gonna stop me. It’s all the rage right now, healer elly is so spring 2015…
° Nevermind, could be revenant. Nice, if that’s the case. Not sure how it’s gonna help them, but it’s good to have an excuse to play it.
spojski crying in corner?
Oh come ON, the 5 guard teamcomp is so stupid I don’t even know. I keep chatting and going afk while aaing and I couldn’t even down at archie. NERF THE HELL OUT OF IT
