It doesn’t look good for Anet if the guild they gave privileged access to is trolling the community on release day.
No probably not but would have thought the mature reaction would be to talk to the guild behind closed doors. It doesn’t look like they broke the NDA or anything.
The rest of us know nothing about the terms of the NDA. They very well could have been in violation of it with what they did.
I used to sort of respect DnT for making build guides and all but now I just laugh at them for the pathetic no skill trash they are, also if THEY can do it after a month of practice then the average pug should have no problem at all either ^^
@ Zenith.7301 its just the first part of the raid. 1 mainboss and 15 min for that after month of training and a very good guild is ok.
i think for the most guilds it will be a long way to get this 15 min for the first boss
Upon public release of our first raid wing today, DnT decided to go against the spirit of our relationship by promoting the speed with which they completed the raid wing without ensuring that those reading their comments were fully aware of the fact that they had been given early access.
I’m sorry, but did I just read that arena net is salty, because DnT showed the community that they could finish the raid quickly?
This is hilarious, both the fact that this is a problem at all, and specifically if you did not want someone to finish the raid quickly, why would you not change the design, to make that harder or impossible?
I’m not sure what I will make of this official statement, but truth be told it makes it seem like the issue here is arena nets design process and not a fault of DnT.
I am not sure you can read properly. ANet is mad because of the #First nonsense and DnT pretending the content was so easy for them WITHOUT mentioning that they had a month of play on it. That’s like a Dev posting #First and pretending it was super simple even though they programmed it.
DnT probably wishes they didnt give out all that salt, they sure are rolling in it now.
Wait is that all Anet is doing to punish these players? They are basically trivializing your end game content and all the hard work that has gone into it with false advertisement. If you do not come down really harsh on such players, future testers are just gonna keep doing it. The simple matter of the fact is that testers(as something like this has happened before), will not take you seriously unless you do something really harsh.
This Nike guy was almost already bragging in the video link below. One could see how confident he was in finishing the raid first even BEFORE the raids were officially released. Sigh this has to be a joke.
LOL the comments are hidden. Hmm pretty sure I read the comments yesterday or the day before and there were 149 of them. Seems a bit sus that they are suddenly hidden.
Edit: Hmmm weird the comments are visible again. In case you guys are wondering where it was scroll down to I am one and I am legion’s comment 3 days ago and click on view all replies. Look for Nike’s message from 3 days ago.
It doesn’t look good for Anet if the guild they gave privileged access to is trolling the community on release day.
No probably not but would have thought the mature reaction would be to talk to the guild behind closed doors. It doesn’t look like they broke the NDA or anything.
The rest of us know nothing about the terms of the NDA. They very well could have been in violation of it with what they did.
They didn’t do anything to break any NDA.
They simply took every opportunity to make Anet look bad by presenting the new raid content as much easier than it is in reality.
A raid that is beaten in “15 minutes” on day one is a joke. That’s not respectable by anyone who does raids in other games and sounds too easy even to people who don’t.
It also looks incredibly kittenty to also claim that others are “salty” that they beat it first when they had a massive handicap given to them. That’s childish and clearly not something Anet wants to be associated with.
So basically they managed to finish the first wing of the raid in one month time.
Might be why they, DnT, had to proof so much there. I bet there are guilds that are done by the end of this week, if not sooner Must be hell on the ego, knowing you cant beat that no matter what. And explains the kind of childish behaviour they let themselves get carried away with.
I thought it was obvious that by accepting early access in order to help make the raids better, they were relinquishing any rights to claim world first? Did I miss something?
They did get world first. Probably not the one they wanted though.
World first dropkicked for being massive kittenheels.
I’m glad Anet did this. After coming from 10 years of WoW’s raiding community where world-first guilds were placed on pedestals, forgiven repeatedly for blatant exploits, and other toxic community ‘contributions’ stomping out this kind of selfish elitism when your company offered them an open-handed invitation to help shape future content of the game….
Yes. Warranted. We don’t want this garbage here. Not again.
I think what DnT did was very immature, and intentionally so. But, I don’t think Anet handled this too well.
I disagree, I think they handled it perfectly. Nike was acting like an idiot and that kind of thing should not be tolerated in a professional environment. They got to test the raids, the very least they could have done is stayed quiet and let people play it before gloating about being the best things ever. If Anet doesn’t want to associate with people like that, good on them!
Not only did they clear it first thanks to their weeks of testing and bragged about it on their website/twitter/reddit but they also took advantage of it by being able to sell the specific loot from the raid first, therefore setting their own price.
What a bunch of doochebags.
That’s actually a good point. They profited hugely due to their advantage.
ps. Nothing that is dropped in a raid, or can be purchased from raid vendors, should be sellable – it should all be account bound.
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Why are you naming and shaming an entire group of players on your forum? Handle this behind closed doors. There’s no need for this public shaming by your employees. You expect us to hold ourselves to a high standard while posting. We should expect the same from you.
i dont think Anet is in the wrong at all. DnT, mainly Nike, was being immature and downright rude. If the forum started talking about it or if DnT got control of the forum first it would be hard to stop. Anet bringing attention to it early and publicly should settle this faster. Behind closed doors DnT couldve weasled out but this way a major part of the community can back Anet.
Were basically playing politics with a video game here.
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“public shaming” aka making sure people know they don’t associate with guilds acting in a unprofessional manner. Companies are pretty much expected to distance themselves from people like that.
Why are you naming and shaming an entire group of players on your forum? Handle this behind closed doors. There’s no need for this public shaming by your employees. You expect us to hold ourselves to a high standard while posting. We should expect the same from you.
public shaming? DUDE nike from DnT was being rude to people on reddit
It is not ok to publicly shame or humiliate them, independent of what they did. Let alone an Anet employee doing it. Let alone Anet’s forum communication specialist doing it.
Death And Taxes has always had an issue with staying together when raids are involved. Either they’re too hard, such as Sunwell (lol rite) or they act like arrogant dorks.
I remember about Nike telling us how “world first” was not a important thing. And what he did after the first hour of raid release?? Going to get the world first, after practice for weeks.
ANet need to understand that thing of "World First "matter a bit, that dont need to be rewarded with itens, what matter it’s the “glory”, that guilds cant buy, they need to conquest and because of it that is important. Give Beta test stats to non profissional people/players its not healthy for the game community.
Why are you naming and shaming an entire group of players on your forum? Handle this behind closed doors. There’s no need for this public shaming by your employees. You expect us to hold ourselves to a high standard while posting. We should expect the same from you.
No. I applaud ANET. DnT deserved the reaction that they got. Who cares that a guild that has been playing the content for a month can complete it? Now they know their place.
No. I applaud ANET. DnT deserved the reaction that they got. Who cares that a guild that has been playing the content for a month can complete it? Now they know their place.
No, it’s an abuse of their position. Anet employees should not be attacking any player period. When they let their personal feelings override their job responsibilities there is a bigger problem at stake.
Why are you naming and shaming an entire group of players on your forum? Handle this behind closed doors. There’s no need for this public shaming by your employees. You expect us to hold ourselves to a high standard while posting. We should expect the same from you.
public shaming? DUDE nike from DnT was being rude to people on reddit
I think this is the part that people are missing.
They were invited to be a part of a prestigious testing opportunity and “rewarded” that extension from Anet by PUBLICALLY being elitist and unprofessional. And then Nike’s PUBLIC, extremely nasty responses on social media went way out of line. Perhaps an apology and clear-up would have sufficed, and Anets reaction might have been overkill. But after the way he behaved in the aftermath? Sometimes that’s JUST as important if not more so than the original issue. No grace. No humility. No respect.
It would be totally unacceptable, from a PR standpoint, for Anet to continue a relationship with DnT after that. It would be rewarding bad behavior. By publicly stating that this is not acceptable they are making it clear that they have standards for the people they place their trust into for their testing environments.
I think this was the right call. It sucks because I’m sure most of DnT are NOT like that, but that’s the nature of the beast in today’s very open internet-driven world. Appearances matter.
No, it’s an abuse of their position. Anet employees should not be attacking any player period. When they let their personal feelings override their job responsibilities there is a bigger problem at stake.
It’s not an attack. It’s making clear that his behavior was unwarranted and not tolerated. He chose to act like a jerk publicly on social media.
Seems a little tactless by anet there. Everyone knows DnT had early access and I for one did not care about “world first”. This probably could have resolved better than by a forum post trashing their guild. Maybe just not invite them back if it was that big of a deal breaker…
No. I applaud ANET. DnT deserved the reaction that they got. Who cares that a guild that has been playing the content for a month can complete it? Now they know their place.
No, it’s an abuse of their position. Anet employees should not be attacking any player period. When they let their personal feelings override their job responsibilities there is a bigger problem at stake.
They announced the testers.
They announced the removal of said tester group. They gave their reasoning behind it.
Oh I bet you all my 50 gold that the Nemesis and co must be rolling on the floor by now
may the DnT RIP…. in many pieces
oh and enjoy the public shaming along with the inc salt mine you dug
That aside I did not expect such a turn of events and believe Anet handled this well. Perhaps testers that can uphold the spirit of this community better should be allowed to test this. Or better yet hire professional testers to avoid such drama.
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They were invited to be a part of a prestigious testing opportunity and “rewarded” that extension from Anet by PUBLICALLY being elitist and unprofessional. And then Nike’s PUBLIC, extremely nasty responses on social media went way out of line. Perhaps an apology and clear-up would have sufficed, and Anets reaction might have been overkill. But after the way he behaved in the aftermath? Sometimes that’s JUST as important if not more so than the original issue. No grace. No humility. No respect.
It would be totally unacceptable, from a PR standpoint, for Anet to continue a relationship with DnT after that. It would be rewarding bad behavior. By publicly stating that this is not acceptable they are making it clear that they have standards for the people they place their trust into for their testing environments.
I think this was the right call. It sucks because I’m sure most of DnT are NOT like that, but that’s the nature of the beast in today’s very open internet-driven world. Appearances matter.
No, it’s an abuse of their position. Anet employees should not be attacking any player period. When they let their personal feelings override their job responsibilities there is a bigger problem at stake.
It’s not an attack. It’s making clear that his behavior was unwarranted and not tolerated. He chose to act like a jerk publicly on social media.
Now seeing that your a member of ZoS, and knowing who else is in your guild, I’m not surprised at your defense of Anet….
It was an attack, meant to punish a guy for actions outside of Anet’s responsibilities. If you don’t think it was an attack, start reading the comments after the employee posted it. It was meant to punish and harass and humiliate them.
Upon public release of our first raid wing today, DnT decided to go against the spirit of our relationship by promoting the speed with which they completed the raid wing without ensuring that those reading their comments were fully aware of the fact that they had been given early access.
I’m sorry, but did I just read that arena net is salty, because DnT showed the community that they could finish the raid quickly?
This is hilarious, both the fact that this is a problem at all, and specifically if you did not want someone to finish the raid quickly, why would you not change the design, to make that harder or impossible?
I’m not sure what I will make of this official statement, but truth be told it makes it seem like the issue here is arena nets design process and not a fault of DnT.
I am not sure you can read properly. ANet is mad because of the #First nonsense and DnT pretending the content was so easy for them WITHOUT mentioning that they had a month of play on it. That’s like a Dev posting #First and pretending it was super simple even though they programmed it.
DnT probably wishes they didnt give out all that salt, they sure are rolling in it now.
How dense are you if you compare DnTs early access raiding with others that starting to raid just now after the official release. There should be no confusion, and I seriously wonder how on earth it could be interpreted in any different way than DnT had early access and managed to kill it(regardless how fast it is), and others starting now.
It seems like people just have an axe to grind versus DnT. Just for the record, no I’m not a DnT fanboy, yes I do agree that sometimes some people from DnT come off as kitteny, but comparing to other americans, it seem to be more normal to act this way “over there”. Law of Jante is not so common other places than in scandinavia, which I’m accustomed to.
It’s as izari said above, DnT’s behavior (which is extremely likely only a few certain individuals) after the release of the raids was not in good faith. They showed a certain amount of deceit in their kills that leaves a bad taste for everyone involved. Sure, there’s a lot of unjustified DnT haters out there, but this is like taking a conceded win and not just gloating, but laughing, insulting, and jeering at everyone that isn’t you, the ‘winner’.
It would be poor sportsmanship if Raiding were a sport. So Arenanet has no obligations to continue the arrangements with them due to this.
Consolation? At least when later Raids release, DnT can truly go for #first and be legitimate, I doubt they will ever get an invitation to test for future content again in GW2.
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I used to sort of respect DnT for making build guides and all but now I just laugh at them for the pathetic no skill trash they are, also if THEY can do it after a month of practice then the average pug should have no problem at all either ^^
Anyone who thinks this was abusive on Anets part is obviously a pleb. DnT got exactly what they deserved. Its about time Anet stops rolling over for the sake of PR.
They were invited to be a part of a prestigious testing opportunity and “rewarded” that extension from Anet by PUBLICALLY being elitist and unprofessional. And then Nike’s PUBLIC, extremely nasty responses on social media went way out of line. Perhaps an apology and clear-up would have sufficed, and Anets reaction might have been overkill. But after the way he behaved in the aftermath? Sometimes that’s JUST as important if not more so than the original issue. No grace. No humility. No respect.
It would be totally unacceptable, from a PR standpoint, for Anet to continue a relationship with DnT after that. It would be rewarding bad behavior. By publicly stating that this is not acceptable they are making it clear that they have standards for the people they place their trust into for their testing environments.
I think this was the right call. It sucks because I’m sure most of DnT are NOT like that, but that’s the nature of the beast in today’s very open internet-driven world. Appearances matter.
No, it’s an abuse of their position. Anet employees should not be attacking any player period. When they let their personal feelings override their job responsibilities there is a bigger problem at stake.
It’s not an attack. It’s making clear that his behavior was unwarranted and not tolerated. He chose to act like a jerk publicly on social media.
Now seeing that your a member of ZoS, and knowing who else is in your guild, I’m not surprised at your defense of Anet….
It was an attack, meant to punish a guy for actions outside of Anet’s responsibilities. If you don’t think it was an attack, start reading the comments after the employee posted it. It was meant to punish and harass and humiliate them.
What does my guild have to do with anything? My old roomate is in ZoS so I was invited as a friend. /shrug?
I was stating my opinion based on my experience in PR and marketing for social media campaigns. From a business standpoint, this was the right call from Anet. #1 rules of using social media is to understand the persona you and your partners put forth. And like I said, if Nike had simply apologized for making a bad joke (and I believe their original intent wasn’t meant to be malicious, it was just presented /perceived in bad taste), it wouldn’t have escalated. But instead Nike’s reactions were on part with typical elitist gamer nonsense.
And whose comments? I don’t see anybody from Anet harassing or humiliating anybody. Publicly making one’s standards and expectations clear is not harassment. I’m not familiar with DnT nor why lots of people dislike them. But based on this incident I still feel Anet made the right call. It would be very bad PR to continue that relationship.
Anyone who thinks this was abusive on Anets part is obviously a pleb. DnT got exactly what they deserved. Its about time Anet stops rolling over for the sake of PR.
Well, I’m guessing you don’t know what a “pleb” actually means.
It’s average or common customer to which Anet owes the consistent treatment towards. The company should not be allowing employees to attack players or entire guilds worth of players based on personal satisfaction.
Upon public release of our first raid wing today, DnT decided to go against the spirit of our relationship by promoting the speed with which they completed the raid wing without ensuring that those reading their comments were fully aware of the fact that they had been given early access.
I’m sorry, but did I just read that arena net is salty, because DnT showed the community that they could finish the raid quickly?
This is hilarious, both the fact that this is a problem at all, and specifically if you did not want someone to finish the raid quickly, why would you not change the design, to make that harder or impossible?
I’m not sure what I will make of this official statement, but truth be told it makes it seem like the issue here is arena nets design process and not a fault of DnT.
I am not sure you can read properly. ANet is mad because of the #First nonsense and DnT pretending the content was so easy for them WITHOUT mentioning that they had a month of play on it. That’s like a Dev posting #First and pretending it was super simple even though they programmed it.
DnT probably wishes they didnt give out all that salt, they sure are rolling in it now.
How dense are you if you compare DnTs early access raiding with others that starting to raid just now after the official release. There should be no confusion, and I seriously wonder how on earth it could be interpreted in any different way than DnT had early access and managed to kill it(regardless how fast it is), and others starting now.
It seems like people just have an axe to grind versus DnT. Just for the record, no I’m not a DnT fanboy, yes I do agree that sometimes some people from DnT come off as kitteny, but comparing to other americans, it seem to be more normal to act this way “over there”. Law of Jante is not so common other places than in scandinavia, which I’m accustomed to.
It’s as izari said above, DnT’s behavior (which is extremely likely only a few certain individuals) after the release of the raids was not in good faith. They showed a certain amount of deceit in their kills that leaves a bad taste for everyone involved. Sure, there’s a lot of unjustified DnT haters out there, but this is like taking a conceded win and not just gloating, but laughing, insulting, and jeering at everyone that isn’t you, the ‘winner’.
It would be poor sportsmanship if Raiding were a sport. So Arenanet has no obligations to continue the arrangements with them due to this.
Consolation? At least when later Raids release, DnT can truly go for #first and be legitimate, I doubt they will ever get an invitation to test for future content again in GW2.
It’s clear to me that you interpreted the DnT #first announcement as an attack and an insult to everyone else. I on the other hand intepreted it as said in a jokingly manner, you know with a grin on their face, as it was VERY clear from their point of view that everyone knew that they were in fact invited as testers for the raids.
The bad taste you have a feeling of now, should be from arena net singling and outright attacking testers of their game.
The fact that you classify the announcements from DnT as “deceit” is quite humorous, as it would imply DnT distorted the truth for the purpose of misleading the community, when it was already announced that they were testing the raid, which they “claimed” first for. How on earth can that be described as deceit, when we already knew they were testing it? Logic and reasoning, use it!
as it was VERY clear from their point of view that everyone knew that they were in fact invited as testers for the raids.
No where in any of their earlier Tweets did they mention anything about them being testers. From any normal point of view, taking it at face value, it was simply this: A guild cleared GW2’s anticipated raid content in a few hours. Rest assured, those tweets were forwarded everywhere. I even read comments from friends from other games (Like World of Warcraft) laughing about how the raid was cleared instantly.
Just because you “get it” doesn’t mean most won’t. Nike, or whoever was trolling their Twitter, should have had more respect for the content and the work that went into it. They never would have been able to do or say those things without being trusted as raid testers, and yet they did this anyways, even harming the image of the raid itself since it was touted as challenging content.
If you don’t understand this, then there’s really nothing to convince you otherwise.
This thread is kind of disgusting. DnT exercised bad judgment, but I think this has been blown WAY out of proportion.
We all know whose fault this was, but Anet shares the blame, I didn’t need another reason to hate DnT, Hell we knew this was coming a mile away, They never said they wouldn’t go for worlds first, but after seeing that ridiculous banner on their website you can’t help but think this is all due to that one manchild.
Honestly I would just like to know one thing, how many hours per day was put into the testing? if it was like 5+ hours, which I doubt then I could see them having alot of time to optimize before the raid released, but in no way should that content have been completed in the 15 mins of release, I said that exact same thing a few months ago and I was being sarcastic, I never expected this to be the disaster that it is.
Anet has failed us yet again and we already knew DnT would do this given that there are much better guilds out there that would have beaten them.
Upon public release of our first raid wing today, DnT decided to go against the spirit of our relationship by promoting the speed with which they completed the raid wing without ensuring that those reading their comments were fully aware of the fact that they had been given early access.
I’m sorry, but did I just read that arena net is salty, because DnT showed the community that they could finish the raid quickly?
This is hilarious, both the fact that this is a problem at all, and specifically if you did not want someone to finish the raid quickly, why would you not change the design, to make that harder or impossible?
I’m not sure what I will make of this official statement, but truth be told it makes it seem like the issue here is arena nets design process and not a fault of DnT.
I am not sure you can read properly. ANet is mad because of the #First nonsense and DnT pretending the content was so easy for them WITHOUT mentioning that they had a month of play on it. That’s like a Dev posting #First and pretending it was super simple even though they programmed it.
DnT probably wishes they didnt give out all that salt, they sure are rolling in it now.
How dense are you if you compare DnTs early access raiding with others that starting to raid just now after the official release. There should be no confusion, and I seriously wonder how on earth it could be interpreted in any different way than DnT had early access and managed to kill it(regardless how fast it is), and others starting now.
It seems like people just have an axe to grind versus DnT. Just for the record, no I’m not a DnT fanboy, yes I do agree that sometimes some people from DnT come off as kitteny, but comparing to other americans, it seem to be more normal to act this way “over there”. Law of Jante is not so common other places than in scandinavia, which I’m accustomed to.
It’s as izari said above, DnT’s behavior (which is extremely likely only a few certain individuals) after the release of the raids was not in good faith. They showed a certain amount of deceit in their kills that leaves a bad taste for everyone involved. Sure, there’s a lot of unjustified DnT haters out there, but this is like taking a conceded win and not just gloating, but laughing, insulting, and jeering at everyone that isn’t you, the ‘winner’.
It would be poor sportsmanship if Raiding were a sport. So Arenanet has no obligations to continue the arrangements with them due to this.
Consolation? At least when later Raids release, DnT can truly go for #first and be legitimate, I doubt they will ever get an invitation to test for future content again in GW2.
It’s clear to me that you interpreted the DnT #first announcement as an attack and an insult to everyone else. I on the other hand intepreted it as said in a jokingly manner, you know with a grin on their face, as it was VERY clear from their point of view that everyone knew that they were in fact invited as testers for the raids.
The bad taste you have a feeling of now, should be from arena net singling and outright attacking testers of their game.
The fact that you classify the announcements from DnT as “deceit” is quite humorous, as it would imply DnT distorted the truth for the purpose of misleading the community, when it was already announced that they were testing the raid, which they “claimed” first for. How on earth can that be described as deceit, when we already knew they were testing it? Logic and reasoning, use it!
Oh my god! You are so right! How can I be so blind?!
Upon public release of our first raid wing today, DnT decided to go against the spirit of our relationship by promoting the speed with which they completed the raid wing without ensuring that those reading their comments were fully aware of the fact that they had been given early access.
I’m sorry, but did I just read that arena net is salty, because DnT showed the community that they could finish the raid quickly?
This is hilarious, both the fact that this is a problem at all, and specifically if you did not want someone to finish the raid quickly, why would you not change the design, to make that harder or impossible?
I’m not sure what I will make of this official statement, but truth be told it makes it seem like the issue here is arena nets design process and not a fault of DnT.
What part of toxic bragging and misleading statements regarding the difficulty of the raid don’t you understand? And do you not understand the purpose of beta testing? It’s not to throw out boss mechanics that are then changed later so that the testers have no advantage; they’re specifically invited to test the mechanics that WILL be a part of the game. So bragging about getting first when you’ve had weeks or however long to practice and test the encounter and clear it when everyone else is starting from scratch is lame and not in good spirit. That’s like finishing high school and bragging about understanding calculus to freshman who haven’t even started the class yet. Pointless elitism. Jesus Christ man how is that not obvious come on spend some time thinking before you post this crap lol.
The only “bothersome” tweets are/were from their DnT twitter.
Things like: “After speed clearing the #GuildWars2 raid content in 15 minutes we’re attending the after-party sponsored by @mortonsalt. The loot is great.”
Might be the truth, but without any given (or just because of the) context it just doesn’t feel right.
I can tell you in 2-3 months not even the top 5 world guilds in WoW or FFXIV are speed clearing Mythic/Savage difficulty raids they have on farm status in just 15 minutes.
That’s not a problem with DnT, that’s a problem with Anet’s encounter design.
Hell, some WoW Mythic boss encounters last as long as 8-10 minutes, some even inching the 15 minute line.
Wildstar isn’t behind.
If DnT’s 15 minute clear statement is in fact truth, it does not remove the fact that a guild who has a raid in farm can clear a wing of a raid faster than running arah path 4 twice.
And Anet’s in a rut now, because if they change raids to increase difficulty/kill time, they are privileging the guilds who got the early clears over latecomers. So somebody’s gonna be kittened regardless.
What were you expecting? Challenging content to them meant more difficult than dungeons/fractals
Must be hell on the ego, knowing you cant beat that no matter what. And explains the kind of childish behaviour they let themselves get carried away with.
