Guild Wars 2

I think that is appropriate for trash as it has a large hit range? I think Brazil’s guide said something about it but I usually just mute it because yeah…

InfinitySoul.9240:

Quick question stacking sigil on staff yay or nay? If not then where.

Best on sword/focus, so you can have 2 stacking sigils. Staff works if you’re a casual

That doesn’t make sense wouldn’t you benefit from having sigil of night, force or something on your s/f since you can only get the 25 max stacks and then you could just swap the staff out after?

Switch after youre done

viciouspike.8624:

That doesn’t make sense wouldn’t you benefit from having sigil of night, force or something on your s/f since you can only get the 25 max stacks and then you could just swap the staff out after?

Get the stacks then take the weapons off….?

Apparently Sword has terrible cleave, so idunno how useful it would be trying get as many tags as you can at say, the hoards of spiders in Arah. Then in TA you’re expected be a lawn mower the whole time which means no stacks from pups. I suppose it’s personal preference as I’ve seen people with both.

I usually don’t have much of a problem cleaving with sword, granted it is worse than greatsword but it is far from terrible. Ranger sword is terrible. Guardian sword is “ok”. :<

Update your signature oxx6yyyy

I have a stacking sigil on both my staff and my focus, depending on what build I’m currently running. They both seem to work quite well for me.

http://www.reddit.com/r/GuildWars2Builds/comments/1pdukv/behold_a_list_of_the_current_meta_builds_28102013/

Some of it might be oldish, but the general theory is there. It was originally compiled By Nike which is in the same guild as Brazil (DnT).

I was really tired last night and I guess I didn’t convey what I was thinking too well. I have a level 25, or so, Guardian right now and when I am running around open world I only seem to hit 2 maybe 3 things tops with sword.

Whereas with staff I can hit 5 wouldn’t it be better to just throw it on the staff and slap everything once or twice and let the rest of the group kill the rest of the trash I mean you will be carrying them mostly through the dungeon anyway might as well let them get your stacks for you.

viciouspike.8624:

I was really tired last night and I guess I didn’t convey what I was thinking too well. I have a level 25, or so, Guardian right now and when I am running around open world I only seem to hit 2 maybe 3 things tops with sword.

Whereas with staff I can hit 5 wouldn’t it be better to just throw it on the staff and slap everything once or twice and let the rest of the group kill the rest of the trash I mean you will be carrying them mostly through the dungeon anyway might as well let them get your stacks for you.

You still easily get tags on most trash pulls with sword/focus. Plus, you would only need to get half as many tags anyway, since you have 2 sigils. I almost always get 25 stacks from just the spiders at the beginning of arah p2. You’re doing actual damage with sword as well.

Guess since this is the l2p guardian thread.

I’ve been told in game a few time now that torch is the best guardian burst and that all dps guards should run it, I’ve also been seeing guards running torch more. I used it when I leveled for a while, but didn’t really see it as great. Is there something I don’t know about torch?

Interesting question. Maybe I missed a big change (though I doubt it), but last time I used the torch, I found it incredibly useless. So my gut feeling is that you heard that from a bunch of people who have no clue.

laharl.8435:

Guess since this is the l2p guardian thread.

I’ve been told in game a few time now that torch is the best guardian burst and that all dps guards should run it, I’ve also been seeing guards running torch more. I used it when I leveled for a while, but didn’t really see it as great. Is there something I don’t know about torch?

Nope, torch is awful.

laharl.8435:

Guess since this is the l2p guardian thread.

I’ve been told in game a few time now that torch is the best guardian burst and that all dps guards should run it, I’ve also been seeing guards running torch more. I used it when I leveled for a while, but didn’t really see it as great. Is there something I don’t know about torch?

I’ve heard sword is one of the high DPS weapons for the guard. I think all offhands suck on the guard, so maybe they meant to use sword and just whatever for offhand.

Somebody correct me if I’m wrong (Like I even have to say that ;-)) but I main a mesmer and my guardian is used for staff farming PvE events, so yeah…

Focus is good because it lets you blind stuff while stacking vulnerability, also #5 can be used without breaking sword autos, every other guardian off-hand is horrible.

Nope, the two guys I heard say it, specifically said torch 5 is awesome burst. One guy runs some 10/30/30 build that he claims is highest dps. I’m guessing it’s someone’s weird guide from the guardian forum.

I’m kind of a torch advocate, Torch 4 double tap bursts fairly well, 5 is more AOE-ish its also condi removal but doesn’t burn for some reason…

Focus is where you’d want to go if you’re playing with fire fields or need extra blocks/blinds with vulnerability.

Focus has more utility but torch does more direct damage especially if blinds/vulnerability are useless like when you fight dredge

Shield makes me sad I want to use one but the skill set is just no… actually i mostly blame the cool downs.

Using #5 for direct damage is a dps loss, #4 ins’t that good either.

laharl.8435:

Nope, the two guys I heard say it, specifically said torch 5 is awesome burst. One guy runs some 10/30/30 build that he claims is highest dps. I’m guessing it’s someone’s weird guide from the guardian forum.

Oxxy already said it. Probably some kind of hundred blades syndrome – seeing a big number and thinking it must be awesome, when it’s really just awful.

Interesting question, laharl.
It probably is based on burning conditions to take the advantage of 10% damage on burned. That build has the highest precision and effective power if using Ranger Runes, based on my rough est. 88% crit chance & 118% crit damage just by the guardian himself w/ food buff. Within the 1st 15s, he can get 5s from Purging Flame & 3s from focus blocks (plus might stack), 3s from Zealot Fire, 5s from VoJ all by himself. The real diffrence from this build is 1 trait burned on block, critical chance & damage increased.
Would it be enough to compensate for lack of damage through boons generating by group, I don’t know and I should leave it to the experts like Dub, Brazil or Nike. I have no inclination to dig in those things.

Any target will be perma burned in dungeons anyways, no need to pick torch just for that.
Also, if you’re bringing a guard without traiting into support just to deal loldps, your group would be better off with an ele or thief.

Oxxy.7068:

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Also, if you’re bringing a guard without traiting into support just to deal loldps, your group would be better off with an ele or thief.

You really don’t know what you are talking about. Since the day I’ve run w/ very good players, I dropped everything calling “support” guardian w/ loldps. And you haven’t seen Obal hit 40K damage w/ his loldps.

Are you saying you run around with untraited consecrations to get some extra critical damage? Then again, you’d be better off bringing something else.

Oxxy.7068:

Any target will be perma burned in dungeons anyways, no need to pick torch just for that.
Also, if you’re bringing a guard without traiting into support just to deal loldps, your group would be better off with an ele or thief.

He’d still have support from utilities, which are very good with guardian.

Seems it’d be a better solo dps build than anything. He’d have over 100% crit chance with skills like sword 3, by himself. But all that crit chance would be wasted once banners and spotter are introduced. The solo fury uptime would be a waste in a group setting as well.

Same deal applies, you have less uptime on fire fields and wor and no cleansing from F2. If the content you’re playing doesn’t requires any of these there is no reason to bring a guard. I feel like i’m an automated recording right now.

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Also for solo dps i’d use something like 10/25/0/25/10, that way you’ll have vigor from criticals, damage modifier while your endurance ins’t full and you can either get consc uptime or unscathed.

SkyChef.5432:

Oxxy.7068:

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Also, if you’re bringing a guard without traiting into support just to deal loldps, your group would be better off with an ele or thief.

You really don’t know what you are talking about. Since the day I’ve run w/ very good players, I dropped everything calling “support” guardian w/ loldps. And you haven’t seen Obal hit 40K damage w/ his loldps.

Don’t fight flawed logic with even more flawed logic. Quoting a really high number from one attack is as bad as the “CHECK MY 100BLADEZZZ” Warriors.

Let me ask you this Oxxy, do you need master consecration trait to fight Lupi whether in a group or soloing? I mean if you don’t have it you will die as a skilled player?

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Dolan.3071:

SkyChef.5432:

Oxxy.7068:

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Also, if you’re bringing a guard without traiting into support just to deal loldps, your group would be better off with an ele or thief.

You really don’t know what you are talking about. Since the day I’ve run w/ very good players, I dropped everything calling “support” guardian w/ loldps. And you haven’t seen Obal hit 40K damage w/ his loldps.

Don’t fight flawed logic with even more flawed logic. Quoting a really high number from one attack is as bad as the “CHECK MY 100BLADEZZZ” Warriors.

Not intended. I just don’t like the moron term of guardian’s loldps.

SkyChef.5432:

Let me ask you this Oxxy, do you need master consecration trait to solo Lupi? I mean if you don’t have it you will die as a skilled player?

I was obviously talking about group fights, not solos. Read my posts again.

Oxxy.7068:

SkyChef.5432:

Let me ask you this Oxxy, do you need master consecration trait to solo Lupi? I mean if you don’t have it you will die as a skilled player?

I was obviously talking about group fights, not solos. Read my posts again.

I edited my post. Beside Lupi, is there a content that if you don’t have this trait, you will die as a skilled player?

If we’re talking about group content then it is not only about me, there’s my whole group as well, and if you can get all the defensive covering your group needs just with only a mesmer why would you bring a guard? There are at least two classes that can certainly deal more damage than guardians. Did i already mention that i feel like a recording right now?

10/30/30/0/0 isn’t even that good dps. It’s just 1% more than the 25 virtues variant, assuming 4 boons only. And the moment you factor in Unscathed Contender (which actually has very high uptime for me) the "loldps" guardian is also the one with the most support.
Also, there is no content that requires master of consecrations or any other support. If you’re skilled enough you can do level 79 fractals with just necros. But it’s about effectiveness and builds (including utilities) that do not grant any support are just wasted. When everything defensivethat might help you somehow is covered, you’re better off taking an ele instead of a 10/30/30/0/0 guardian with 3 signets and save yourself.

As you have said, yes you are a recording machine.
The original question is about DPS w/ certain build and I gave a generic answer how that DPS number works. I also defer the judgement to those I’ve list (Obal & Syn included so no one is left behind. Guang is a special case) because you know what, these people don’t BS me with rhetoric, group thinks but with real numbers to see if the boon damage of 10/30/0/5/25 will be better than that build.
Strictly DPS business. Nothing else. And then you come in w/ support Guardian craps then fail to answer my question regarding whether I’ve run w/ no trait in master consecration.
BTW, I’m a very casual player as Wethospu already noticed a while ago. Not an expert in any shape or form.

Thank you Dub. That’s all I’ve asked. The tone of your voice is caused by the ban in that thread “AH as a DPS guardian”?

I’m confused what the hell people are arguing about.

Well, in optimal conditions (which aren’t even unlikely) 10/30/0/5/25 will be about 24% more dps than 10/30/30/0/0. Going from dps only you’d probably run 10/25/10/0/25 or 10/30/5/0/25 anyway but those are just builds that make no sense in usual circumstances, only on paper.

Of course I know that. Theoretical discussion of dps being derailed into something else.
I only use 10/25/0/25/10 for casual run (read pugs or newbies just got to 80). My build is always 10/30/0/5/25. Did try 10/30/10/10/10 awhile ago and I don’t like it.

Anicetus.1253:

10/30/30/0/0 isn’t even that good dps. It’s just 1% more than the 25 virtues variant, assuming 4 boons only. And the moment you factor in Unscathed Contender (which actually has very high uptime for me) the “loldps” guardian is also the one with the most support.

Just to clarify things, i meant 10/30/30 as “loldps” guardian, i run 10/30/0/5/25 myself.

SkyChef.5432:

Thank you Dub. That’s all I’ve asked. The tone of your voice is caused by the ban in that thread "AH as a DPS guardian"?

What tone of my voice?
Anyway, i got more than just one ban from that topic. One for the sentence "would you show me the correct math then, please", one for... well, ban reasoning and one for questioning the matury of deleting math posts on youtube just because they show that a build was objectively bad. All in all got about 20 infractions, just from that topic. I wonder how empty the thread would have been if the reports were coming from both sides

Yeah, i got that Oxxy.

Anicetus.1253:

SkyChef.5432:

Thank you Dub. That’s all I’ve asked. The tone of your voice is caused by the ban in that thread “AH as a DPS guardian”?

What tone of my voice?
Anyway, i got more than just one ban from that topic. One for the sentence “would you show me the correct math then, please”, one for… well, ban reasoning and one for questioning the matury of deleting math posts on youtube just because they show that a build was objectively bad. All in all got about 20 infractions, just from that topic. I wonder how empty the thread would have been if the reports were coming from both sides

Yeah, i got that Oxxy.

Clearly a menace to society!

Anicetus.1253:

SkyChef.5432:

Thank you Dub. That’s all I’ve asked. The tone of your voice is caused by the ban in that thread “AH as a DPS guardian”?

What tone of my voice?
Anyway, i got more than just one ban from that topic. One for the sentence “would you show me the correct math then, please”, one for… well, ban reasoning and one for questioning the matury of deleting math posts on youtube just because they show that a build was objectively bad. All in all got about 20 infractions, just from that topic. I wonder how empty the thread would have been if the reports were coming from both sides

Yeah, i got that Oxxy.

You have a 3rd account? You might be on a roll.

No, got them all as Dub. One after another after not visiting the topic for some days. I feel like my main is highly vulnerable to infractions.

I’ve got no idea how you managed to get banned twice on that thread, i got a kittenload of infractions but no ban. You have some serious taunting skills, Dub.

SkyChef.5432:

Oxxy.7068:

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Also, if you’re bringing a guard without traiting into support just to deal loldps, your group would be better off with an ele or thief.

You really don’t know what you are talking about. Since the day I’ve run w/ very good players, I dropped everything calling “support” guardian w/ loldps. And you haven’t seen Obal hit 40K damage w/ his loldps.

The only support you need as a guardian is 10 in virtues and bring wall/shield/specific boon utilities when needed over bane sig when you don’t. Having 20 is nice for extra removal which isn’t needed for some content or if you have a mesmer take care of it. Having 5 in honor to stay alive for harder content is nice as well as 10 for shout cd if you feel the need for it. The rest of your points can go into dps. I ran the build I did 49k WW with for a bit but settled with 10/30/0/5/25 since it is as effective while being lazy and it is easier with the perma vigor but it still has all the traited support needed.

I’m curious as I’ve just started playing Guardian myself. What is the ideal DPS rotation?
At the moment I’m just fitting in Sword #2 and Focus #4 between auto attack chains, then changing to Greatsword and going #2, #4, #5 (not pulling), #3, then auto attack until I can Whirling Wrath again before switching back to S/F. Generally just spamming blinds off CD to stack Vuln.

Question: why 10/30/0/5/25 rather than 10/30/0/10/20?

Silver.3284:

Question: why 10/30/0/5/25 rather than 10/30/0/10/20?

Better dps. If you want shout cooldowns id recommend going 10/25/0/10/25.

Dolan.3071:

I’m curious as I’ve just started playing Guardian myself. What is the ideal DPS rotation?
At the moment I’m just fitting in Sword #2 and Focus #4 between auto attack chains, then changing to Greatsword and going #2, #4, #5 (not pulling), #3, then auto attack until I can Whirling Wrath again before switching back to S/F. Generally just spamming blinds off CD to stack Vuln.

Sword #2 isn’t worth using. Try to use 2435 on greatsword to have vuln for highest amplifiers.