Guild Wars 2

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Here’s the problem, Mike:

You are a new “dungeoneer”. You have attempted one dungeon. It was Ascalonian Catacombs, a dungeon I personally hate, but that most people fly through with ease. However, new players do not, because dungeons are the “hardcore” PvE that this game offers (along with things like Teq and Wurm). It takes practice.

You are posting on here, acting like an expert on the dungeon PvE in GW2 when you honestly haven’t even experienced any significant part of it. My first dungeon was a Caudecus Manor story solo. I did not succeed.

What you’re doing here, is you’re making yourself look really bad by acting like you know everything there is to know about dungeons. It’s like trying to tell a seasoned painter they’re doing it wrong (or even that art is a a lame garbage waste of time) after taking Art 101: Introduction to Drawing. The dungeon runners here aren’t simply dungeon speed runners, they are mentors, they are theory crafters, they know this game’s PvE in and out. And You’re trying to give advice as though you (or these elusive guildies) know everything there is to know, when there is no credibility in your claim.

I know what it is like. When I first ventured here, I argued with the best Arah runners about Arah p4. I acted like I knew it all, from my 2 failed runs and 1 success. It was a really hard lesson. The point is, you should be learning these dungeons, not acting like there’s nothing left to learn and that the systems are inherently broken, just because you are parroting what you are hearing from folks because it makes you feel better about the failed AC run.

I get it. Please. This is a place for learning and community. We have all taken efforts to make this place a good start for newbies (check the stickies!). We cannot, however, make it a well of information for those unwilling to learn, though.

and as always, Lilith wins again,

thank you

pastry chef i am not….
/gives lilith sushi

VideoGamermike.5813:

A mesmer without deflection is still a mesmer,

lol. Nobody else picked up on that?

All Paths: 2 Wars 1 Guard 1 Ele 1 Mes-LV80-7.5K AP- Full ZERKER + GEARCHECK! or else KICK- STACK or kick- no alt Swap- Skipp videos or KICK-no AFK or KICK – no Dolyak!

I guess this should all fit in the party-description?

Daw. You guys. Hehehe.

I just don’t understand why he’s so upset about the greatsword mesmer thing. I mean… it’s like a longbow ranger. It’s a weapon made specifically for ranging, and most encounters are not completed efficiently when ranged. I don’t get why that’s a bad thing. Greatsword is good in other situations… why do weapons have to be good in all situations? I mean, all encounters can be completed with any build or weapon type, why do all weapons have to be optimal? I just don’t get it, guys. I just dont…

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Daw. You guys. Hehehe.

I just don’t understand why he’s so upset about the greatsword mesmer thing. I mean… it’s like a longbow ranger. It’s a weapon made specifically for ranging, and most encounters are not completed efficiently when ranged. I don’t get why that’s a bad thing. Greatsword is good in other situations… why do weapons have to be good in all situations? I mean, all encounters can be completed with any build or weapon type, why do all weapons have to be optimal? I just don’t get it, guys. I just dont…

She said “efficient”! Grab your pitchforks!

No Pulse.2967:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Daw. You guys. Hehehe.

I just don’t understand why he’s so upset about the greatsword mesmer thing. I mean… it’s like a longbow ranger. It’s a weapon made specifically for ranging, and most encounters are not completed efficiently when ranged. I don’t get why that’s a bad thing. Greatsword is good in other situations… why do weapons have to be good in all situations? I mean, all encounters can be completed with any build or weapon type, why do all weapons have to be optimal? I just don’t get it, guys. I just dont…

She said “efficient”! Grab your pitchforks!

QQ

Well said, Lilith. Hope he leave us for a while.

I’ll just add that there is no such thing as a Duelist Mesmer build ( Mike talked about that).

There is a Duelist look made by Sandy though (his zerker set).

Lilith Ajit.6173:

I just don’t understand why he’s so upset about the greatsword mesmer thing. I mean… it’s like a longbow ranger. It’s a weapon made specifically for ranging, and most encounters are not completed efficiently when ranged. I don’t get why that’s a bad thing. Greatsword is good in other situations… why do weapons have to be good in all situations? I mean, all encounters can be completed with any build or weapon type, why do all weapons have to be optimal? I just don’t get it, guys. I just dont…

Just about everyone likes efficiency? Many players have time constraints, and that number includes people who prefer a certain look to their character’s actions? Some players think that all choices should produce equal results, when the actual goal of balance in a game with character ability diversity is equivalent results?

Take your pick — or was that a rhetorical question?

IndigoSundown.5419:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

I just don’t understand why he’s so upset about the greatsword mesmer thing. I mean… it’s like a longbow ranger. It’s a weapon made specifically for ranging, and most encounters are not completed efficiently when ranged. I don’t get why that’s a bad thing. Greatsword is good in other situations… why do weapons have to be good in all situations? I mean, all encounters can be completed with any build or weapon type, why do all weapons have to be optimal? I just don’t get it, guys. I just dont…

Just about everyone likes efficiency? Many players have time constraints, and that number includes people who prefer a certain look to their character’s actions? Some players think that all choices should produce equal results, when the actual goal of balance in a game with character ability diversity is equivalent results?
?

Well.. do you feel that way? I don’t. I see no reason why an attack with a range weapon should have equivalent damage to a melee. Risk/reward.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

IndigoSundown.5419:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

I just don’t understand why he’s so upset about the greatsword mesmer thing. I mean… it’s like a longbow ranger. It’s a weapon made specifically for ranging, and most encounters are not completed efficiently when ranged. I don’t get why that’s a bad thing. Greatsword is good in other situations… why do weapons have to be good in all situations? I mean, all encounters can be completed with any build or weapon type, why do all weapons have to be optimal? I just don’t get it, guys. I just dont…

Just about everyone likes efficiency? Many players have time constraints, and that number includes people who prefer a certain look to their character’s actions? Some players think that all choices should produce equal results, when the actual goal of balance in a game with character ability diversity is equivalent results?

Well.. do you feel that way?

No, I understand the need for trade-offs in build creation.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

I don’t. I see no reason why an attack with a range weapon should have equivalent damage to a melee. Risk/reward.

The “Equivalent results” from builds I was referring to occurs on a higher level than just one aspect of a build (e.g., damage or survivability). Equivalent results means both choices finish the content, not both options have the same damage (which would be equal results).

And yes, I know I’m stretching the definitions of the word equivalent, but people on forums get creative with word meanings all the time. So sue me.

A more correct way to say it would be to say that: "Some players think that all choices should produce the same results on a micro level, whereas the actual goal of balance in a game with character ability diversity is the same overall result on the macro level.