Guild Wars 2

He’s gone away, lol. I really do hope he comes back with that video, I want to see how long it takes his party to wipe.

In a parallel universe, he creates a “LFM P1, Any Level, no Experience, No Stack, No speed run, bearbows, staff guards, GS mesmers, shouting wars, condimancers[].. only” and gets a full META group :p

Leo.8792:

Pros of stacking:
No skill is needed

Cons of stacking:
less fun and enjoyment of game.
No reason to even play the game if the main goal is to rush through it
A lack of skill

You could also try a game called WoW I hear that all you do is push buttons in that game too.

Are you a high-lvl-skilled-auto-attack-longbow ranger?That takes some skill yeah you are right!

Was levelling a new character and doing a couple story mode while still not 80, just making groups that state literally nothing, got other underlevelled chars played by new players (who were between 400 and 700 AP) guess what, I had no stacking or anything, nor did I tell them anything about the dungeon because it was kinda fun to see a group discover CM as if it was release day.

Groups are what you’re asking for. Don’t join speedruns and guess what, you won’t get speedruns. It’s magic, isn’t — * it? the power of words! It’s so difficult to create your own party and state your own requirements. I wish I had such Power of Words.

There’s yet another thread on this in general discussion that actually says: “Doing so makes it easy to abuse boon stacking, heals, combo fields "

So… Support mechanics are abused when they are used as they are intended? what?

Anyway, please come and speak in that thread. This stacking conversation is becoming a thread a day. It’s getting out of hand. #StackingThreadOP

Waiting for the day they’ll finally fix stacking/skipping by making it impossible – they will sooner or later mark my words, so all these special kids get what they want and I can browse the forum in peace. By that time there will be nothing left to do in-game anyway.
Totally support this.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

This stacking conversation is becoming a thread a day. It’s getting out of hand. #StackingThreadOP

So people are complaining about stacking on a (near) daily basis, and you still think it’s okay?

No, it’s not – it should and it will be removed.
cough* berserker nerf *cough

Goon for Hire.7150:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

This stacking conversation is becoming a thread a day. It’s getting out of hand. #StackingThreadOP

So people are complaining about stacking on a (near) daily basis, and you still think it’s okay?

I think that the people complaining have absolutely no idea what stacking really is. I think they’re just talking about Spider Queen in AC and have really no idea what stacking is for.

Watch as I range this thread to death.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Goon for Hire.7150:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

This stacking conversation is becoming a thread a day. It’s getting out of hand. #StackingThreadOP

So people are complaining about stacking on a (near) daily basis, and you still think it’s okay?

I think that the people complaining have absolutely no idea what stacking really is. I think they’re just talking about Spider Queen in AC and have really no idea what stacking is for.

Oh, I do understand what it is for. I just find it hard to believe that it’s been intended in the first place, and players have gotten so used to it by now, they’re fighting tooth and nail to justify it.

I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, it’s just the way I see it.

Goon for Hire.7150:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

This stacking conversation is becoming a thread a day. It’s getting out of hand. #StackingThreadOP

So people are complaining about stacking on a (near) daily basis, and you still think it’s okay?

Heres a question. What do we do if the whole party wants to melee a boss but stacking isnt allowed?

spoj.9672:

Goon for Hire.7150:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

This stacking conversation is becoming a thread a day. It’s getting out of hand. #StackingThreadOP

So people are complaining about stacking on a (near) daily basis, and you still think it’s okay?

Heres a question. What do we do if the whole party wants to melee a boss but stacking isnt allowed?

I’ll tell you when this actually happens to me.

Do you stack? Yes? No?

We are trying to justify stacking? We don’t need to!

QQers are going to QQ. They want to range and they don’t want to make their own parties to do so. So instead if making their own parties they intrude on ours (that we spend time on making and such) and then complain about everything. There is nothing wrong with stacking. It employs group coordination, fun mechanics, actual skill (rather than pew pew I hit yew!) and requires a kind of cooperation folks don’t want to have in pugs.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

and requires a kind of cooperation folks don’t want to have in pugs.

Hence why every PUG group I’ve been in wants to stack.

Goon for Hire.7150:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

and requires a kind of cooperation folks don’t want to have in pugs.

Hence why every PUG group I’ve been in wants to stack.

Oh yeah? Every pug stacks on Lupi?

Fascinating.

Is using control skills (guardian GS#5 or mesmer focus #4) to group up mobs and then cleave them with typical attacks while supporting your team with various buffs something bad?

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Goon for Hire.7150:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

and requires a kind of cooperation folks don’t want to have in pugs.

Hence why every PUG group I’ve been in wants to stack.

Oh yeah? Every pug stacks on Lupi?

Fascinating. Tell me more about how you know nothing about bosses outside of AC.

Oh yes you’re right, there’s Lupi.

Goon for Hire.7150:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Goon for Hire.7150:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

and requires a kind of cooperation folks don’t want to have in pugs.

Hence why every PUG group I’ve been in wants to stack.

Oh yeah? Every pug stacks on Lupi?

Fascinating. Tell me more about how you know nothing about bosses outside of AC.

Oh yes you’re right, there’s Lupi.

Fun fact: Lilith is always right.

Goon for Hire.7150:

So people are complaining about stacking on a (near) daily basis, and you still think it’s okay?

So basically each day there is one player who comes to complain about stacking.
He is then welcomed by the “no stacking crew”.

I believe ANet gave us some stats last year of something like 460K people playing the game regularly right ?

That makes about 0.000002% of the player base shifting to the “no stacking crew” everyday.

If we consider that 1% of the players are currently against stacking (number not accurate, need help plox :‘( :’( ), at this rate it would still take 245 000 days for half of the playerbase to be against stacking, considering it does not grow in size nor is reduced in numbers, which is highly inaccurate as well :’(

Then, if we go by the standards of our magnificent democracy system, things may actually change to meet the demands of the majority.

See you in almost 700 years buddy

a stacking thread that addresses it as a system problem? never seen one of these before…

You know what it is, they want to run with capable players but not be told to stack. When capable players are the ones that know why you stack, when to stack, and understand that there’s more going on than just attacking and pressing F. Deep down each and every person that hates to stack knows that if they run with a no stack group it will go terrible. That’s why they don’t party up with other anti-stackers. This is the only explanation I have as to why a no stack guild fails, and nontacking players don’t want to form parties together. Basically they are asking to be carried.

they will shout “Save us!”… and I’ll look down and whisper “No.”

haviz.1340:

Is using control skills (guardian GS#5 or mesmer focus #4) to group up mobs and then cleave them with typical attacks while supporting your team with various buffs something bad?

Yes. It’s terribly evil!

I think for “trash mob” there is just too much benefit for stacking.

You can cleave multiple target. Many of the utility skill, “wall of reflection, shield of avenger, hallow ground” can protect multiple people. You can cc multiple target with blind etc.

They really need to do an overhaul of the combat system if they want to change that.

But I think they can obviously design boss fight so it is dangerous to stack. I’m sure many people dont’ stack on many of the boss fight.

MastaNeenja.1537:

a stacking thread that addresses it as a system problem? never seen one of these before…

You know what it is, they want to run with capable players but not be told to stack. When capable players are the ones that know why you stack, when to stack, and understand that there’s more going on than just attacking and pressing F. Deep down each and every person that hates to stack knows that if they run with a no stack group it will go terrible. That’s why they don’t party up with other anti-stackers. This is the only explanation I have as to why a no stack guild fails, and nontacking players don’t want to form parties together. Basically they are asking to be carried.

they will shout “Save us!”… and I’ll look down and whisper “No.”

Call me an optimist, but I’m sure that if stacking were to be removed today, people would still be able to adapt and beat the dungeons. (There was a time where people didn’t stack, you know, and we still managed fine). Thing is it’s so prevalent these days, it has pretty much become the norm to play.

I mean nobody is stacking in Fractals (mostly because it’s largely ineffective), and yet it still gets beaten by PUGs. No reason it wouldn’t work for dungeons.

MastaNeenja.1537:

This is the only explanation I have as to why a no stack guild fails, and nontacking players don’t want to form parties together. Basically they are asking to be carried.

They will shout “Save us!”… and I’ll look down and whisper “No.”

That bolded part…. so perfect.

Guys,guys let’s all stop mocking the OP, roll a bearbow ranger and finally get some skill on this game…!

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Oh yeah? Every pug stacks on Lupi?

Fascinating. Tell me more about how you know nothing about bosses outside of AC.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Fun fact: Lilith is always right.

I’ve missed this. So much. Lilith > Lepton.

Anierna.6918:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Oh yeah? Every pug stacks on Lupi?

Fascinating. Tell me more about how you know nothing about bosses outside of AC.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Fun fact: Lilith is always right.

I’ve missed this. So much. Lilith > Lepton.

D’awwwww shucks <3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lepton

Why must this sort of post rear it’s ugly head almost daily? You can always, always tell that they have never left AC.

Goon for Hire.7150:

MastaNeenja.1537:

a stacking thread that addresses it as a system problem? never seen one of these before…

You know what it is, they want to run with capable players but not be told to stack. When capable players are the ones that know why you stack, when to stack, and understand that there’s more going on than just attacking and pressing F. Deep down each and every person that hates to stack knows that if they run with a no stack group it will go terrible. That’s why they don’t party up with other anti-stackers. This is the only explanation I have as to why a no stack guild fails, and nontacking players don’t want to form parties together. Basically they are asking to be carried.

they will shout “Save us!”… and I’ll look down and whisper “No.”

Call me an optimist, but I’m sure that if stacking were to be removed today, people would still be able to adapt and beat the dungeons. (There was a time where people didn’t stack, you know, and we still managed fine). Thing is it’s so prevalent these days, it has pretty much become the norm to play.

I mean nobody is stacking in Fractals (mostly because it’s largely ineffective), and yet it still gets beaten by PUGs. No reason it wouldn’t work for dungeons.

The ones who stack now and understand stacking will be the first ones to adapt if Anet waved a magic wand and made stacking disappear.

You can still stack in fractals I do it all the time. You can’t stack in every situation in fractals but then again you don’t have to stack in every dungeon situation either.

Anierna.6918:

MastaNeenja.1537:

This is the only explanation I have as to why a no stack guild fails, and nontacking players don’t want to form parties together. Basically they are asking to be carried.

They will shout “Save us!”… and I’ll look down and whisper “No.”

That bolded part…. so perfect.

yeah, was my favorite Watchmen character.

Leo.8792:

This is an MMO and MMO’s take time to get through, this isn’t a little first person shooter that you can sit down and beat in two hours. Welcome to time sinker the MMO. What is the point of playing a game if all you want to do is get through it as fast as possible. You might as well just play another game.

Just going to point out that stacking is also a legitimate tactic in other MMO’s as well. I.e. stack during a damage intensive phase to make it easier for healers to heal. There’s also no real challenging or progression instanced content in this game, which is why we just try to get through it as fast as possible for fun or rewards. We’ve also had mostly the same dungeon content for the past ~14 months, with few new paths/fractals.

So how stacking “problem” should be solved? Let’s assume anet can do anything.

Would they introduce body blocking? If so, how would meleeing works with dodging? Would you be able to dodge through your allies or enemies? How would you melee with more people? What would be the point of cleave mechanic? What would be the point of support skills which have limited range?

MastaNeenja.1537:

Goon for Hire.7150:

MastaNeenja.1537:

a stacking thread that addresses it as a system problem? never seen one of these before…

You know what it is, they want to run with capable players but not be told to stack. When capable players are the ones that know why you stack, when to stack, and understand that there’s more going on than just attacking and pressing F. Deep down each and every person that hates to stack knows that if they run with a no stack group it will go terrible. That’s why they don’t party up with other anti-stackers. This is the only explanation I have as to why a no stack guild fails, and nontacking players don’t want to form parties together. Basically they are asking to be carried.

they will shout “Save us!”… and I’ll look down and whisper “No.”

Call me an optimist, but I’m sure that if stacking were to be removed today, people would still be able to adapt and beat the dungeons. (There was a time where people didn’t stack, you know, and we still managed fine). Thing is it’s so prevalent these days, it has pretty much become the norm to play.

I mean nobody is stacking in Fractals (mostly because it’s largely ineffective), and yet it still gets beaten by PUGs. No reason it wouldn’t work for dungeons.

The ones who stack now and understand stacking will be the first ones to adapt if Anet waved a magic wand and made stacking disappear.

You can still stack in fractals I do it all the time. You can’t stack in every situation in fractals but then again you don’t have to stack in every dungeon situation either.

I was mostly talking about stacking at bosses, but you’re right of course. Frankly it’s downright needed at some places.

How about, if you don’t like stacking, you don’t stack.
What is this kitten about forcing your views on everyone else?
‘I don’t like stacking, nerf it so everyone is forced not to stack.’

How about no. Go make your own group, just like we scummy elitists do when we want zerk+scholar only. There’s even a thread filled to the brim with cognitive dissonance and people just begging for a group with no stacking. Join them and make a group instead of making yet another complain thread.

Swiftpaw is here to save the day!

I just… I’m so.. I can’t even…

Why.

Between this thread and the guardian AH is good thread I cant… I just.. I’m gonna. I dont… I just. No.

J Eberle.9312:

I just… I’m so.. I can’t even…

Why.

Between this thread and the guardian AH is good thread I cant… I just.. I’m gonna. I dont… I just. No.

Swifty patch notes PLOX? See the fails thread.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

J Eberle.9312:

I just… I’m so.. I can’t even…

Why.

Between this thread and the guardian AH is good thread I cant… I just.. I’m gonna. I dont… I just. No.

Swifty patch notes PLOX? See the fails thread.

Oh lordy I haven’t read this yet brb

Patch notes
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J Eberle.9312:

I just… I’m so.. I can’t even…

Why.

Between this thread and the guardian AH is good thread I cant… I just.. I’m gonna. I dont… I just. No.

Oh relax, I’m just voicing my opinion here. Besides, I don’t support Altruistic Healing at all (and yes, guardian is my main), so I guess we have that in common.

This whole stacking thing is starting to make me wonder a few things : do we all have the same definition about it ?

When you stack at a specific point so the enemies behave differently, that’s an exploit. When you stack wherever because everyone is meeleing/boon sharing, that’s being smart.
And when you stack at every single encounter, that’s guardians not knowing how to pull things.

RedStar.4218:

This whole stacking thing is starting to make me wonder a few things : do we all have the same definition about it ?

When you stack at a specific point so the enemies behave differently, that’s an exploit.

Did you know that when you range a boss, he will sometimes not melee you? Is ranging exploiting too?

Kiting is an exploit!

Lilith Ajit.6173:

RedStar.4218:

This whole stacking thing is starting to make me wonder a few things : do we all have the same definition about it ?

When you stack at a specific point so the enemies behave differently, that’s an exploit.

Did you know that when you range a boss, he will sometimes not melee you? Is ranging exploiting too?

ranging lupi confirmed for exploit since he doesn’t kick you in p1 if you do

Time to join random pugs and report everyone

Thinking is the greatest exploit.

Whatever arguments anti-stackers bring in just kill themselves the instant they mention stacking is an exploit.

I do not see all the fuss about this topic.

You can play this game in dungeons/fractals by stacking/skipping/meleeing but also the other way around: not stacking/ killing everything/ranging.

Surely, there is a more efficient way to do it, but not necessarily the only way.

So feel free to choose your own way and do not necessarily criticize who does not do it your way.