Never really found the ice elemental a problem. It was the dredge suit I always had a problem with until i decided to wake up and dodge the auto attack. xD
But I wouldnt rate either of them especially in a group.
I can see that most solo players feel awkward with Arch Diviner in the group setting. In fact, it’s pretty neat to FGS this boss to 50 or even 25%.
edit: Elemental isn’t a hard boss. It’s the opportunistic vet elementals which make it extremely punishing and annoying.
I agree, ignoring mechanics with an overpowered conjure is ‘neat’. To hell with actually having to use your dodge key, that’s too hard.
Seriously, any comment like this coming from an “only-warrior” can’t be taken serious.
Also, taking away conjures from ele is essentially taking banners from warriors. And removing their mobility skills. And removing healing signet. And removing healing surge and defiant stance. And taking away 6k of their hp pool.
Wait. Let’s not forget to remove “Fear Me!” and “On My Mark!”.
I can see that most solo players feel awkward with Arch Diviner in the group setting. In fact, it’s pretty neat to FGS this boss to 50 or even 25%.
edit: Elemental isn’t a hard boss. It’s the opportunistic vet elementals which make it extremely punishing and annoying.
Only reason I find archdiviner hard to solo is because of the cultists at 75%, 50% and 25% hp. The boss itself is easy to handle.
I thought it’s the first Arch Diviner? People mentioned him hard in a group setting, which I find strange, because the second is way way easier than, say, Grawl Shaman. The first one is harder because of his 180 degree-turn-leap and smash which requires a careful control with immobilization and freeze.
For solo, do you know which part is even harder than the boss itself? The two hand seals. Hands down the most frustrating part.
@maha: I find it neat because it is almost impossible to FGS bosses like Mossman and Arch Diviner cleanly without a strict coordination between the group members. A solo FGS holder will get wrecked before making a dent to the boss health. An amateur group will take down 25-30% at most before the bosses go to their next condi-spam phase (weakness, hello!) or stealth phase. As a warrior-only player, I bet you don’t know the intricacy behind the scenes. Stay blissful as you are while it lasts.
P.S.: If Dub ever says ‘oh, it’s so easy to FGS everything’ then I believe him. Because he always delivers the proof without deliberately trying to sound awesome. And because he has used FGS before it became cool.
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I can see that most solo players feel awkward with Arch Diviner in the group setting. In fact, it’s pretty neat to FGS this boss to 50 or even 25%.
edit: Elemental isn’t a hard boss. It’s the opportunistic vet elementals which make it extremely punishing and annoying.
I agree, ignoring mechanics with an overpowered conjure is ‘neat’. To hell with actually having to use your dodge key, that’s too hard.
Seriously, any comment like this coming from an “only-warrior” can’t be taken serious.
Also, taking away conjures from ele is essentially taking banners from warriors. And removing their mobility skills. And removing healing signet. And removing healing surge and defiant stance. And taking away 6k of their hp pool.
Wait. Let’s not forget to remove “Fear Me!” and “On My Mark!”.
You’re comparing mobility skills to a conjure that does like 40k dps. Damage wise it’s completely out of line with anything else, and eles can cope just fine without them, even solo. And for the record, I have five classes, ele included.
He’s saying that you can’t ignore the strongest assets a class has. Eles strongest asset is their conjures, warriors is their banners and/or mobility. As in, “An ele without conjures is like a warrior without banners”.
I mean I guess you could argue that Eles still have a very strong asset in their might/fury stacking abilities, but w/e.
It has nothing to do with the thread anyway. I’m just fed up of this vomit inducing conjure meta of every fight being trivialised to press 4, 3 and 5 in corners. Every time an urge has hit me to do a dungeon tour I have to remind myself it’s just going to be smashing 4 in walls. Anyway, I just felt like venting, carry on.
Or just make it so fiery rush requires a target. That way you can still even use it if there’s a trash mob behind the boss, but otherwise no. Hell you could even still do it in lupicus solos if you’re able to target locust which spawn behind the wall.
Or increase enemies healthpools by 10 times. No nerf for eles but no more ’fiery afk sword".
That isn’t that bad idea if you watch the Hotw bosses in p2 and story mode. They’re pretty hard to kill with FGS and if you try there’s always a big chance to wipe.
On the other hand,more hp can’t be a real solution of course
I do think FGS should be nerfed, but not in the way maha suggests. It’s important to not completely neuter the elite. I think a better solution would be to simply cap the number of fiery procs that can hit a single target per second to cap its DPS to something more along the lines of 15k DPS. It is an elite skill, so using it should still be a net gain (or else we have more useless elites), but it should be nowhere near as powerful as it is right now.
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Gotta keep in mind that the whole fiery rushing is that op only in coordinated groups. So before nerfing the elite I’d rather see some new content and whether it allows itself to be solved by FGS.
Dub, please make one of them spawn again and record it
It feels weird that I’ve been triple kicked by Lupicus before yet never seen the infamous level 84 illusionist in place of the berserker.
Happened to me only twice. :<
Seems to happen a lot less than tripple or even quadruple-kicks.
Is that the illusionist that can spawn instead of the usual berserker after the highborns king waypoint?
Yes, but I still have yet to see it. Dub has twice, and Nova claims he’s seen it once before too and I know at least 1 or 2 others claimed it as well. Dub’s the only one that says he saw an 84, so I dunno. I want proof.
I’ve seen it, I didn’t bother to look at its level though. Was just like “lol the berserker is an illusionist” and continued on my way. Laharl was there, he can confirm
Ive witnessed it aswell a while back. Never checked the lvl but based on the fact that the unexpected chaos storm pretty much 1shot my necro i can only assume it was also lvl 84.
Just wanted to bring it up that Legendary Grawl Shaman is one of the easiest bosses in the game. That being said, the only reason that people percieve it as hard are those bloody lava elementals, which in comparison, make Shaman look like a sissy. I never heard of anyone wiping when elementals are not up. xD
Random question here, i’m the only one that loves 30 minutes of fight instead of just nuke dps the bosses? because that’s why my list gets different from others. On long fights the strats needs to be different, even harder than solo if you go with newbies and they have no idea of what to dodge and you need to waste 70% of the time rezzing (rezzing in the thaumanova anomaly is tricky but fun. And it was also when Alphard insta-1shots with her barrils bug xD). I’m the kind of guy that even if i can solo a boss, i won’t unless everyone is alive.
I will check that illusionist, sounds like fun Where does he appears exactly?
