Guild Wars 2

If only Preserved Queen Bees dropped as often as the Forum Bug.

Just PLEASE don’t make 3 collections for each precursor because it will clutter the UI too much… it’s 90 collections if you make it like this T^T

Guhracie.3419:

Ayrilana.1396:

Guhracie.3419:

No, but when you argue the precise wording of the exact statements to death, even when the intent is extremely easy to extrapolate, it’s really not worth engaging with you about it. It wasn’t an UNINTENDED preview. They were blog posts and forum discussions. It was clearly stated multiple times that Living Story was meant to replace the need for expansions. And none of the features they touted in those blog posts were ever released as gemstore items.

Yeah, things change. I’m not arguing that. I’m not arguing that an expansion has to have its own set of cool features to make sure people want to buy it. I’m not arguing that this is a company, not a charity, and that they have to make money. They deliver a beautiful product and should make money. But precursor crafting was touted as being an answer to the issues that come from RNG precursor drops, and now that answer is only going to apply to a certain portion of players. So go get informed. But if you come at me with the argument that “it wasn’t clear what they meant” I’m going to laugh and disregard anything further you have to say on the subject.

Where’d they state that living story was supposed to replace the need for expansions? All we ever saw from them was that an expansion was not on the table. This was not a definitive answer.

The unintended preview that I was talking about were the parts that showed hints of a legendary scavenger hunt. There was no blog post or anything specifically about what we saw. I believe we kind of saw that in the demonstration about ascended crafting, chat codes, or something else. I can’t remember exactly. What I do know is that there was no blogpost about them like the one we saw this week. All we saw about precursor crafting was that they were working on it.

Precursor crafting was touted as being the answer to RNG drops? That would mean that they believe that something was inherently wrong with their old system which I don’t remember them saying. Please point me to a post that specifically says that RNG drops, or the MF, was wrong. All they did was provide another option for players in acquiring precursors who did not want to rely on RNG or the MF. This doesn’t mean that the current system is wrong.

The new precursor crafting will apply to the majority of the player base.

In what universe is “expansions are not on the table” NOT a definitive statement?

Linsey Murdoch discusses the precursor building as a “scavenger hunt” in this post , and I’m really not going to do any more digging in order to show you proof of things just to have you close your eyes and ignore them. We clearly have different understandings of things like “what words mean,” so I’m done with this.

Because it’s not. There’s a difference between something not on the table and something not ever going to happen. On the table means that it’s currently being discussed and considered. If it’s not on the table then it may or may not happen but they have not definitively decided either direction. I do agree that we have a difference in what words mean. I go by what is listed in the dictionary and how words/phrases are commonly used.

I’m aware of that post. It was not what I was referring to that I stated in my post. What I was referring to, now that I can search on a PC, was along the lines of this:

EDIT: And here

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1qha6v/chat_codes_the_nightmares_within

When they say, we don’t need money for living story and updates, within the same time frame that they say precursor quests coming soon in an update.

Replacement means you won’t have to pay for precursors crafting.

Its simple logic.

They changed their business model and plan. I personally think updates and fixes to old content should be part of the original price of that content.

Something that is off the table, in the idiom, means something that is not an option. Something that is ON the table means that it is up for discussion as an option. Whatevs. Enjoy twisting common sense to something that isn’t recognizable anymore.

Guhracie.3419:

Something that is off the table, in the idiom, means something that is not an option. Something that is ON the table means that it is up for discussion as an option. Whatevs. Enjoy twisting common sense to something that isn’t recognizable anymore.

New playable races are not on the table. Does this mean that it will never happen? Have they stated it will never happen?

LinseyMurdock.4165:

It was me! Sorry for the confusion.

Again, to confirm, the icons shown in the blog post are all placeholder. I am not requiring that you get Chaos of Lyssa or the Preserved Queen Bee.

Thanks for confirming! I eventually want to buy the recipe for Chaos of Lyssa, and I was not looking forward to the price hike over the photo.

Ayrilana.1396:

Guhracie.3419:

Something that is off the table, in the idiom, means something that is not an option. Something that is ON the table means that it is up for discussion as an option. Whatevs. Enjoy twisting common sense to something that isn’t recognizable anymore.

New playable races are not on the table. Does this mean that it will never happen? Have they stated it will never happen?

when did they say it wasnt on the table. I think they said it isnt planned for HoT

phys.7689:

Ayrilana.1396:

Guhracie.3419:

Something that is off the table, in the idiom, means something that is not an option. Something that is ON the table means that it is up for discussion as an option. Whatevs. Enjoy twisting common sense to something that isn’t recognizable anymore.

New playable races are not on the table. Does this mean that it will never happen? Have they stated it will never happen?

when did they say it wasnt on the table. I think they said it isnt planned for HoT

When did they say it was?

Ayrilana.1396:

phys.7689:

Ayrilana.1396:

Guhracie.3419:

Something that is off the table, in the idiom, means something that is not an option. Something that is ON the table means that it is up for discussion as an option. Whatevs. Enjoy twisting common sense to something that isn’t recognizable anymore.

New playable races are not on the table. Does this mean that it will never happen? Have they stated it will never happen?

when did they say it wasnt on the table. I think they said it isnt planned for HoT

When did they say it was?

You seem to be switching goalposts with a vengeance, and comparing different things handwaving the differences.
No, not saying some thing is considered is not the same as saying it is not considered. And at the time they mentioned precursor scavenger hunt and new legendaries, they also specifically said they are not working on an expansion, and that they plan to release all future content throughout Living World platform.

Man the lengths people are willing to defend anet on these forums…

Yujin.1785:

Man the lengths people are willing to defend anet on these forums…

Man, the lengths people are willing to go to to pillory ANet on their own forums …

It works both ways. Opinions differ, but someone who likes something you don’t is not a pitiable wretch scrabbling in the clay for rocks they can call gems. They just happen to like the thing. And vice versa, you may like things they don’t, and that doesn’t make them an Enemy of the State bent on destroying All That is Holy.

We’ll see how it all works out. I am disappointed in the blogs so far, if they are what was meant by “deep dives,” they’re pretty darn shallow and missing details. I had thought they’d be the foundation for forum discussion with devs weighing in to clarify things. A few devs have, spottily, but a lot of persistent questions remain unaddressed at all.

So for now we have a few overviews, and can offer praise and critiques based on them, but cannot assume we know much at all of how the discussed systems will play out in practice.

Yujin.1785:

Man the lengths people are willing to defend anet on these forums…

Its both funny and sad at the same time.

i will say though, that this was something that has little effect on if i buy the expansion or not. ive wanted this for a long time now, and its just another plus for something that i was already going to buy! shrugs i can see the problem people have with it, but at the same time, im even more excited for the expansion to get here! (thats just all my opinion)

LinseyMurdock.4165:

It was me! Sorry for the confusion.

Again, to confirm, the icons shown in the blog post are all placeholder. I am not requiring that you get Chaos of Lyssa or the Preserved Queen Bee.

^_^ Yeah seeing Chaos of Lyssa was worrisome..
I also hope that the weapons don’t have excessively elaborate craft recipes… Its my biggest gripe at the moment.
Also will we be able to trade old precursors when we achieve them from the collections? Will the game have 2 variants of the old precursors? One that’s unbound another that isn’t?

I mean i can see people trading precursors obtained like this with friends so they can have twins of their favorite legendaries (Twice told legend anyone?).

Donari.5237:

Yujin.1785:

Man the lengths people are willing to defend anet on these forums…

Man, the lengths people are willing to go to to pillory ANet on their own forums …

It works both ways. Opinions differ, but someone who likes something you don’t is not a pitiable wretch scrabbling in the clay for rocks they can call gems. They just happen to like the thing. And vice versa, you may like things they don’t, and that doesn’t make them an Enemy of the State bent on destroying All That is Holy.

We’ll see how it all works out. I am disappointed in the blogs so far, if they are what was meant by “deep dives,” they’re pretty darn shallow and missing details. I had thought they’d be the foundation for forum discussion with devs weighing in to clarify things. A few devs have, spottily, but a lot of persistent questions remain unaddressed at all.

So for now we have a few overviews, and can offer praise and critiques based on them, but cannot assume we know much at all of how the discussed systems will play out in practice.

Not really, people on this forum topic are generally sensible and don’t have that much of a hate streak as you’d like to color it. There’s a reason why I stopped posting here for awhile now as it’s generally biased towards that one side.

I think they’re meant to be vague to test the waters anyway. Could avert disasters like the different commander color tags.

Dante.1763:

Yujin.1785:

Man the lengths people are willing to defend anet on these forums…

Its both funny and sad at the same time.

i will say though, that this was something that has little effect on if i buy the expansion or not. ive wanted this for a long time now, and its just another plus for something that i was already going to buy! shrugs i can see the problem people have with it, but at the same time, im even more excited for the expansion to get here! (thats just all my opinion)

I share the same sentiment with you then.

Astralporing.1957:

Ayrilana.1396:

phys.7689:

Ayrilana.1396:

Guhracie.3419:

Something that is off the table, in the idiom, means something that is not an option. Something that is ON the table means that it is up for discussion as an option. Whatevs. Enjoy twisting common sense to something that isn’t recognizable anymore.

New playable races are not on the table. Does this mean that it will never happen? Have they stated it will never happen?

when did they say it wasnt on the table. I think they said it isnt planned for HoT

When did they say it was?

You seem to be switching goalposts with a vengeance, and comparing different things handwaving the differences.
No, not saying some thing is considered is not the same as saying it is not considered. And at the time they mentioned precursor scavenger hunt and new legendaries, they also specifically said they are not working on an expansion, and that they plan to release all future content throughout Living World platform.

It was all to make a point.

Guhracie had said that since Anet didn’t have an expansion on the table, this meant it was a definitive no regarding them doing one. In my playable races statement, I took the same approach as him and said that since they said it was not on the table, that it wouldn’t happen. By his reasoning, since it was off the table, that would be a definitive no that they would not do it.

I was also hoping that someone would call me out on whether or not Anet said it was off the table so I could then ask when did they ever say it was on the table. This was because I wanted to make a point that because even if they didn’t say something wasn’t on the table, doesn’t mean that it isn’t. Silence is not necessarily an affirmation.

Fun tidbit to discuss:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/GW2-unlikely-to-get-expansions-Interview/first

That was about a year ago…..now just out of curiosity how long does a proper expansion take to go from planned to delivered?

Not saying anything is right or wrong or anything just interested to how the time table works out as related to the topic.

I really hate doing this, but Ayrilana, that’s not how it happened. You said that they said it was off the table, and that wasn’t a definitive statement. I asked you how saying something is off the table isn’t a definitive statement, and you made your argument for why it isn’t. Then when your argument didn’t hold up, you changed the entire landscape of the argument. You changed it to be that not confirming if something IS or IS NOT on the table is not a definitive statement, and that’s absolutely true. But your original statement was “They said an expansion was not on the table, which is not a definitive statement.” When, in fact, it is.

Guhracie.3419:

I really hate doing this, but Ayrilana, that’s not how it happened. You said that they said it was off the table, and that wasn’t a definitive statement.

Yes, I did. Crafting (and equipping) legendary weapons currently are not on the table at this time for me. This doesn’t mean that I’ll never craft and equip them.

Guhracie.3419:

I asked you how saying something is off the table isn’t a definitive statement, and you made your argument for why it isn’t.

Yes, I did. I also gave an example like I just did above.

Guhracie.3419:

Then when your argument didn’t hold up, you changed the entire landscape of the argument. You changed it to be that not confirming if something IS or IS NOT on the table is not a definitive statement, and that’s absolutely true.

I didn’t change my argument. I still stood by it. What I did was present another argument that was similar to highlight what I was arguing. Hence the new races thing.

The second sentence quoted was an entirely new argument outside of what I was originally saying. This argument was me saying that the absence of a response does not mean one way or another.

Guhracie.3419:

But your original statement was “They said an expansion was not on the table, which is not a definitive statement.” When, in fact, it is.

Like I’ve said already in this post, the two were separate arguments. One was regarding something having been said for one side or another while another regarding the absence of anything having ever been said for one side or another..

EDIT: You’ll love this one.

So I did some research into on/off the table and it’s meaning. It appears that I did use it incorrectly and the way I was taught was wrong. Off the table means that it’s no longer being considered so you were correct in it’s meaning and I was creating confusion arguing otherwise rather than the topic on hand. I apologize for that.

However, my intention with my argument was that they never said that it was not an option. I had been saying this before we got to discussing. Essence’s post that he graciously linked to a thread which then linked to an article show that they still may do it as they had not definitely said that they wouldn’t.

Wait… is this… the kittenton of side quests I’ve been hoping Anet would implement?

Essence Snow.3194:

Fun tidbit to discuss:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/GW2-unlikely-to-get-expansions-Interview/first

That was about a year ago…..now just out of curiosity how long does a proper expansion take to go from planned to delivered?

Not saying anything is right or wrong or anything just interested to how the time table works out as related to the topic.

It is possible that while developing the LS, they realized that it would be good content for an EP. So it is entirely possible that the EP has been in the works for a very long time, but that they didn’t know back then or didn’t originally want to make it an EP.

I want to point out that bees communicate primarily by dancing, and so that’d be a fine thing to collect to demonstrate your commitment to partying.

I am also hoping for some consultancy from Andrew W.K., the world’s foremost expert on partying hard.

After careful consideration, I’m not touching the rest of this trainwreck of a thread.

I already got one legendary the hard way and I’m happy about this, looks like getting them will be both easier and more fun.

Caelus.7139:

Oh btw, how harsh will collection item RNG be, or will there be any? If it’s anything like Mawdrey that’d be excellent.

Can leave out the Foxfire Clusters, thx. :\
If it’s going to be a grind task, I’d rather it be 40 of an item I get on a 10% chance than 4 of an item on a 1% chance.

ReaverKane.7598:

LinseyMurdock.4165:

It was me! Sorry for the confusion.

Again, to confirm, the icons shown in the blog post are all placeholder. I am not requiring that you get Chaos of Lyssa or the Preserved Queen Bee.

^_^ Yeah seeing Chaos of Lyssa was worrisome..
I also hope that the weapons don’t have excessively elaborate craft recipes… Its my biggest gripe at the moment.
Also will we be able to trade old precursors when we achieve them from the collections? Will the game have 2 variants of the old precursors? One that’s unbound another that isn’t?

I mean i can see people trading precursors obtained like this with friends so they can have twins of their favorite legendaries (Twice told legend anyone?).

It’s my understanding that we can craft and trade the old precursors. I hope so, anyway. Would like to earn some of the gold back from buying 9 precursors from people who were simply luckier than me!

ZudetGambeous.9573:

2012: you WILL see new legendary weapons in 2013

2013: …..

2014: We are revamping the rewards and started over on the new legendary weapons, we will have them out asap.

2015: you will now have to pay for the legendary weapons but they WILL be coming with the expansion

2015: Well they actually won’t be coming with the expansion, only a couple will.

2016:… we wanted to make them even better, so you will need to buy the next expansion to get the rest of the legendary weapons

2016: actually we won’t be able to make that deadline, we will release just a couple

…
…
…

People are still buying this? time to wake up people, they are just bait and switching you into buying the expansion, there will not be any new legendary weapons.

Sadly, this argument uses evidence from the past to prognosticate the future and can’t really be faulted.

The new unique precursor skins will only be part of the collection pres? Or will random drops have them too? I hope if it’s a universal change people who already have account-bound legendaries will get the new skins automatically unlocked.

Shinzan.2908:

I already got one legendary the hard way and I’m happy about this, looks like getting them will be both easier and more fun.

See i have feeling a lot of people think this and are going to be dispirited when HOT comes out. Wooden potatos said it best “IF you dont like grinding out a pre now you are still not going to like grind one in HOT”

It is still going to be a grind, probley even long and maybe harder then if you just grinded the gold. It will just be a different type of grind

I agree it is going to be a grind one way or the other. And as posters in other threads have indicated, I believe the prices of T6 mats is going to jump, so that while we will “save” on the precursor by making it ourselves, we will pay much more for other mats going into the legendary. I mean, if more people can make them, then demand will increase for all mats, not just precursors. That is, of course, assuming that legendaries will still require the same ‘base’ ingredients they do now. I think “be careful what you wish for” will be spoken in the months to come.

I love the idea of a scavenger hunt for the pre and am excited about the new details. I also love the idea that they are account bound. But mostly, I am very interested in the map bonus part of this! So even the mats (i.e. Lodestones) will be something you can concretely work towards without resorting to the TP unless you want to speed it up. I don’t mind a long grind – I expect it. If you’re not willing to put the work into a legendary of all things, then I’m not sure what motivates you in this game. Just my opinion.

The precursor mastery looks like a positive. Less of a gold grind, more of hunt for the item. The same thing I was basically asking for in the “grind is still grind” thread https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Grind-is-still-grind/page/13#post4915208 Anet closed without good reason.

Also the fact that they make getting the mats for the legendary less of a boring gold grind is good. Now lets hope they make world completion also more about exploring then striping of a list of way-points, PoI, vista’s an hearths.

But more important. Lets hope they make all skins more of a hunt, not only the precursors while leaving the rest a boring grind. Thats really what the game needs to stay interesting for a longer time when HoT gets released and lets also hope the guild-halls will use a system that looks more like this then the influence system we now have.

At least is does show Anet knows where there flaws are and are willing to do something about it. That is good!!

Personally I do think it’s a positive that the new ones will be account-bound while in the grind thread most of the people defending the gold grind system usually referred to the fact that you could grind the gold in multiple ways so was not forced to do specific content. Something that never was a problem for me but I do wonder how those people will feel about this.

After the disappointment of a mastery system (that to me still seems to be like a boring currency grind like the WvW points) this is a big positive.

We know way too little about the mastery system to call it a disappointment.