Guild Wars 2

Seeing as I’m running out of time to get a Lovestruck skin (I’ve missed too many opportunities for skins) I decided it was high-time to open up a few (103) Black Lion chests, I was originally saving for 250 then just mass opening them. But this was good enough.

I’ve always had bad luck opening bags/chests anything in this game, in fact the highest worth item I’ve gotten was 40 Silver. I just went for it.

Opened all 103 hoping for maybe one or two tokens, and maybe some other nice things to give me a nice amount of money, I mean I’ve seen 100 of these opened and people have sold it all for 400+ gold. Finally my dreams of having a Legendary after years of playing, well what feels like years.

Nope. Nope. Nope.

Out of 103 Chests I got 8 scraps and about 4gold in items as well as 237 Alliance supply bags, which also contained useless gear, I saw Endless Quaggan and got excited (woooo like 15 gold) Lol no the one I got sells for 80 silver and I’m not selling it, so my record is still 40 silver.

When I realized I got jack all for months of work, I just closed the game, I mean there’s people with 8 Legendaries and the best armour I have is worth like 2 gold.
I cannot take much more lmao.

well, that’s what you get for gambling.

those people who have 8 legendaries and full ascended are probably 0.1% or even 1% of the entire population of the game. You only hear about them because they’re the most interesting to listen to, but the fact is, that over 95% of people are merely average players like you and me, who will gamble 6000g on the toilet to get no precursors, who will open 5000 bag of alliance supplies to never see anything beyond a rare, and who will spend 4 months grinding for a legendary when the guy next to him gets his legendary in 2 weeks, etc…

don’t fret, just because you’re not part of the 1% doesn’t mean you’re not good. I would love nothing more than to be part of that 1% that has so much prestige, but at one point you consider whether investing so much in a game is worth it or not.

Pie Flavor.1647:

well, that’s what you get for gambling.

those people who have 8 legendaries and full ascended are probably 0.1% or even 1% of the entire population of the game. You only hear about them because they’re the most interesting to listen to, but the fact is, that over 95% of people are merely average players like you and me, who will gamble 6000g on the toilet to get no precursors, who will open 5000 bag of alliance supplies to never see anything beyond a rare, and who will spend 4 months grinding for a legendary when the guy next to him gets his legendary in 2 weeks, etc…

don’t fret, just because you’re not part of the 1% doesn’t mean you’re not good. I would love nothing more than to be part of that 1% that has so much prestige, but at one point you consider whether investing so much in a game is worth it or not.

I actually understand this, but as far as I know there’s no other way to obtain the skin without buying keys/farming them. And if we think logically. The probability of getting a scrap is like 3%.

You can convert 2k gems to 117 Gold, which is enough to buy 2 skins, I already checked but went against it because once you do that you get addicted to it. Prime example is RP for LoL, I swear I have brought over $1,700 worth of Riot Points.

The issue is limited skins like this that require luck to actually obtain, sure it makes them rarer but it’s also a pain to those that don’t play daily or have any kind of luck at all.

Millionaires.4201:

Pie Flavor.1647:

well, that’s what you get for gambling.

those people who have 8 legendaries and full ascended are probably 0.1% or even 1% of the entire population of the game. You only hear about them because they’re the most interesting to listen to, but the fact is, that over 95% of people are merely average players like you and me, who will gamble 6000g on the toilet to get no precursors, who will open 5000 bag of alliance supplies to never see anything beyond a rare, and who will spend 4 months grinding for a legendary when the guy next to him gets his legendary in 2 weeks, etc…

don’t fret, just because you’re not part of the 1% doesn’t mean you’re not good. I would love nothing more than to be part of that 1% that has so much prestige, but at one point you consider whether investing so much in a game is worth it or not.

I actually understand this, but as far as I know there’s no other way to obtain the skin without buying keys/farming them. And if we think logically. The probability of getting a scrap is like 3%.

You can convert 2k gems to 117 Gold, which is enough to buy 2 skins, I already checked but went against it because once you do that you get addicted to it. Prime example is RP for LoL, I swear I have brought over $1,700 worth of Riot Points.

The issue is limited skins like this that require luck to actually obtain, sure it makes them rarer but it’s also a pain to those that don’t play daily or have any kind of luck at all.

gambling is a lot more addicting, blowing 2000 gems in keys in hopes of getting a single ticket is much worse than just straight up buying it.

I know some people are shopaholics, but shopaholicism is nothing compared to people having gambling problems and blowing all their paycheck in a casino every month.

Sorry for your bad luck.

Since shortly after release it has been mentioned and discussed how dreadfull horribly bad the RNG for these Black Lions Chests is.

Its why my found as loot (Locked) Black Lion Chests are catching dust in my Bank.

blacklion chests are awful. Too large of chances to get terrible stuff or holiday crap/LS stuff depending when you open it. They really need to add some better items or boosts/food to make these things worth opening.

If you had spent your time in getting gold instead of gambling on chests you would’ve already had 2 if not more of those skins. Just by doing couple dungeon paths and world bosses in a day would’ve got you more than enough money to buy the skins directly from the TP.

Yet another one of those posts where someone whines that gambling wasn’t worth it.

You should just keep about 60/70g in case there is a skin like that you like, usually they don’t cost way much of that. During the time they’re at 1 ticket.
A this amount of money is not that hard to get, even if you’re unlucky. Just do some dungeons, there are some paths that take no time.

Taku.6352:

If you had spent your time in getting gold instead of gambling on chests you would’ve already had 2 if not more of those skins. Just by doing couple dungeon paths and world bosses in a day would’ve got you more than enough money to buy the skins directly from the TP.

Yet another one of those posts where someone whines that gambling wasn’t worth it.

I’m not sure if you skimmed my thread or what-not. I have tried.. I spent 2 months casually farming mobs/events/bosses and each time I got close to nothing, like seriously. Sure it all adds up but it’s only added up to around 18 gold.

I cannot do dungeons, whenever I try the people ask for gold to do it with me, so I leveled Warrior to 80 and geared it a bit and same thing, at first I thought it was just Elemental-ism. I should also add that I don’t play at peak-time, besides being Australian I also have various commitments that effect play times, whether it’s army training or school, I can go days without playing.

So year in regardless to GW2 I’m a casual. I rather in-active one at that :p I also wasn’t complaining, well I was but I was just sharing my badluck with loot/chests. Sorry if this didn’t appeal to you.

To the people telling the poster that chests should be avoided at all costs: if everyone took that advice then you would have no skins to buy off of the TP. Some people take the initiative to gamble so you lot wouldn’t have to.

Slowpoke.2749:

To the people telling the poster that chests should be avoided at all costs: if everyone took that advice then you would have no skins to buy off of the TP. Some people take the initiative to gamble so you lot wouldn’t have to.

I can agree that it can be fun to gamble, but when real money comes in between I would advice them not to do it.
The price of those keys are way too expensive to even think about buying them, I really don’t get people who do so.
After the few keys I have gotten due to my personal story I’ve already noticed how bad those chests are….

This is my non-dungeon suggestion for making money.

Go to: http://us.gw2stuff.com/en/

Find your world.

Do a full round of world boss events as they come up. Dragons, temples, whatever. This might take a couple hours, or just one; do as many as you can. Guest to other worlds if necessary. You can make from 3-10 gold a night doing this, particularly if you salvage your yellows for ectos and then sell those, too. Sell everything.

If you have more than one 80 and extra time, or the same event comes back up before a new one pops, do it on your alt.

This is not scarymad money, but it is enough to afford most of the chest skins, especially early on, within a week or so. It’s arguably more lucrative than Frostgorge Sound, far more than DR, though less than a full round of dungeons.

OP, you might consider a name change for your account.
On a side note: RNG is RNG.

D I V A

Slowpoke.2749:

To the people telling the poster that chests should be avoided at all costs: if everyone took that advice then you would have no skins to buy off of the TP. Some people take the initiative to gamble so you lot wouldn’t have to.

I use that same logic when I go drinking…

Sweetheart, if I don’t drink than Busch may go out of business and you don’t want all those people unemployed do you?

Doesn’t work….

Peetee.9406:

Slowpoke.2749:

To the people telling the poster that chests should be avoided at all costs: if everyone took that advice then you would have no skins to buy off of the TP. Some people take the initiative to gamble so you lot wouldn’t have to.

I use that same logic when I go drinking…

Sweetheart, if I don’t drink than Busch may go out of business and you don’t want all those people unemployed do you?

Doesn’t work….

I’m not telling these fine folk to follow the example and gamble but could we at least try not to slander the OP for their decision? The only reason any of us can be so smug about saving up gold and getting the desired skin from the TP is that someone somewhere gambled, got the item then decided to sell it.

no one taking the risk = no skin

Millionaires.4201:

When I realized I got jack all for months of work, I just closed the game, I mean there’s people with 8 Legendaries and the best armour I have is worth like 2 gold.
I cannot take much more lmao.

Much like real life, it’s better to invest your money than to hit the casino.

Millionaires.4201:

I cannot do dungeons, whenever I try the people ask for gold to do it with me, so I leveled Warrior to 80 and geared it a bit and same thing, at first I thought it was just Elemental-ism.

I’ve never encountered anyone who asked for money to do a dungeon with them, I’m almost certain that part is made up. If I did encounter someone like that, I’d laugh in their face and find a new group.

Slowpoke.2749:

To the people telling the poster that chests should be avoided at all costs: if everyone took that advice then you would have no skins to buy off of the TP. Some people take the initiative to gamble so you lot wouldn’t have to.

Actually, if no one bought them ANet would have to wise up and stop peddling RNG-chest gambling to people with weak willpower. Sadly this won’t happen.

People should be able to buy/earn the skins they want, not pray to Hermes, jump through a ring of fire while riding a tricycle, and do backflips across tigers backs.

I’ve bought 2 lovestruck greatswords (50g, 44g) and one torch (47g), with money earned this week from PvE play. Earning about 10g per hour, so 30g over 3 hours of play. As of the last few months I’ve been rather broke due to solely playing WvW (where you can’t earn money). But since the last 2 weeks of match ups were boring, and my guild has kind of disbanded now, I’ve been in PvE mostly the last 2.5 weeks, and raking in the cashola.

Just look for items that are in high demand, either from being the new flavour of the patch, or have more than one use. Crafting materials are very good at this (sold raw, or crafted into something then sold)

You don’t need to play the TP (investments/flipping) to make decent money, though admittedly it can help if done right.

Blame Valve, they’re the jerks who normalised this behavior in the west with their crates/keys within Team Fortress 2.

Black Lion Chests are exploitative in nature and for shame on Arenanet for using skinners box triggers to earn money.

Realist.5812:

Slowpoke.2749:

To the people telling the poster that chests should be avoided at all costs: if everyone took that advice then you would have no skins to buy off of the TP. Some people take the initiative to gamble so you lot wouldn’t have to.

Actually, if no one bought them ANet would have to wise up and stop peddling RNG-chest gambling to people with weak willpower.

Not really. If no one bought them Anet would lower the price or add more enticing rewards to the chest’s loot table. If still no one bites then they would simply start putting Ascended items in them with the same drop chance as the skins.

After investing so much money into the game, they can not afford “wising up” since it has been proven that cash shop gambling not only works but brings in more revenue than selling these items directly.

For whatever you spent on those keys, you probably (unaware of current conversions so it’s just conjecture) could’ve just bought them from the TP. Aren’t they only 70g-ish?

I have hated the chests since launch and have never spent money on them.
personally I think the cherry on the cake is that they stuff them full of LS/Seasonal fillers.

IF they actually put something worthwhile in the chest, guaranteed for your purchase- it might be worth it.
It doesn’t have to be big- geez, I get BL kits and hair kits, repair canisters, trans-stones etc regularly with just my daily

I honestly thought they might have gone that direction after they took some of the useless stuff out recently and I got a weapon ticket in the first chest I opened (Personal Story)

Seems that indeed they have not- nice to know I can just go on never buying keys- ever

I still don’t understand why they don’t have an additive chance system for this to avoid this kind of bad luck.

Say Anet values 1 skin at $5. So you exchange $5 in keys and begin you gambling.

The percentage for a ticket off the first key is very low say 2% next key unlocked is 4% and so forth until you reach the $5 worth of gems. By that stage the chance is 100%.

So you may get lucky and get a scrap off the first key. good for you, or you have to use all $5 worth. But the end result is 100% chance for the money.

Then people will at least not feel like they are getting robbed of money, and some of those might even quit which is not what we want.

Thobek.1730:

I still don’t understand why they don’t have an additive chance system for this to avoid this kind of bad luck.

Say Anet values 1 skin at $5. So you exchange $5 in keys and begin you gambling.

The percentage for a ticket off the first key is very low say 2% next key unlocked is 4% and so forth until you reach the $5 worth of gems. By that stage the chance is 100%.

So you may get lucky and get a scrap off the first key. good for you, or you have to use all $5 worth. But the end result is 100% chance for the money.

Then people will at least not feel like they are getting robbed of money, and some of those might even quit which is not what we want.

You missed some 0’s there… the cheapest skin is about $50 in real world money and the most expensive (molten) are about $500 in real world money…

And they did introduce such a system. They put in the ticket scraps so you could progress slowly if you weren’t lucky enough to get a ticket. They just made those RNG as well with only a 10% chance to drop.

It does not take many times opening the chests to see that what is in them is not incredible. It does not take much in the way of google search or looking in the Black lion forum to see that the drops are not great.
You can farm the keys and find out that the drops are not great.
Why spend real money at this stage of the games life to see that the drops are not great?

The thing is that even 103 chests, while not a tiny number and expensive to open, don’t even dent the RNG engine. You would need thousands of chests to guarantee a solid hit on a major loot drop. I am sorry that your gambling didn’t pay off, truly, as I have done the same thing. It’s all about numbers……

Why people still purchase keys is beyond me. I purchased about 10 back during release and have not touched them since then.

BL keys are never, ever worth it. Even the permanent contracts are not worth it.

The day Anet decides to include a guaranteed BL scrap in a chest is the day BL keys are worth it (of course they would have to nerf the personal story key farm)

Pie Flavor.1647:

well, that’s what you get for gambling.

those people who have 8 legendaries and full ascended are probably 0.1% or even 1% of the entire population of the game. You only hear about them because they’re the most interesting to listen to, but the fact is, that over 95% of people are merely average players like you and me, who will gamble 6000g on the toilet to get no precursors, who will open 5000 bag of alliance supplies to never see anything beyond a rare, and who will spend 4 months grinding for a legendary when the guy next to him gets his legendary in 2 weeks, etc…

don’t fret, just because you’re not part of the 1% doesn’t mean you’re not good. I would love nothing more than to be part of that 1% that has so much prestige, but at one point you consider whether investing so much in a game is worth it or not.

IMO there’s a problem with any game that attempts to instill a work ethic.

Hey a little information, but don’t spread it.

People with a lot of gold NEVER GAMBLE.

- People with a lot of gold for playing the game? Get freaking good at dungeon speed run and you will get about 10 gold per hours.
- People that play the T.P.? They looks at numbers and figure out what will be the best investment. They can be wrong, but its never pure gamble.
- People that get several precursor from the Mystic Forge? They use massive amount of gold so they get a average return and set the price of the precursor on the market so they keep getting profit.

If you try a gamble to get more gold ,you are doing it wrong.

RNG is everywhere in this game, literally everywhere..
maybe we should all have one of those Magic 8 balls in game that decides wether we should do an event or use a skill to make things interesting..

http://www.indra.com/cgi-bin/spikes-8-ball

Thaddeus.4891:

Hey a little information, but don’t spread it.

People with a lot of gold NEVER GAMBLE.

- People with a lot of gold for playing the game? Get freaking good at dungeon speed run and you will get about 10 gold per hours.
- People that play the T.P.? They looks at numbers and figure out what will be the best investment. They can be wrong, but its never pure gamble.
- People that get several precursor from the Mystic Forge? They use massive amount of gold so they get a average return and set the price of the precursor on the market so they keep getting profit.

If you try a gamble to get more gold ,you are doing it wrong.

how about farmers like me? ;_;

Vol.7601:

Thaddeus.4891:

Hey a little information, but don’t spread it.

People with a lot of gold NEVER GAMBLE.

- People with a lot of gold for playing the game? Get freaking good at dungeon speed run and you will get about 10 gold per hours.
- People that play the T.P.? They looks at numbers and figure out what will be the best investment. They can be wrong, but its never pure gamble.
- People that get several precursor from the Mystic Forge? They use massive amount of gold so they get a average return and set the price of the precursor on the market so they keep getting profit.

If you try a gamble to get more gold ,you are doing it wrong.

how about farmers like me? ;_;

Then you’re playing the wrong game and you have my condolences.

Darkobra.6439:

Vol.7601:

how about farmers like me? ;_;

Then you’re playing the wrong game and you have my condolences.

Lol good one. But even farmer like you don’t gamble. You find a spot where you can get a good amount of gold per hours and you don’t farm it too much so you don’t get into the DR. But personally, farming in this game is both boring and is a really bad way to gain gold. I don’t know all farming spot and some can be profitable, but they are really rare.

The statistics of Black Lion chests indicate that a skin that requires 5 tickets would, on average, require you to spend about $175 on keys.

Oddly, these skins sell on the TP for around 60 gold, which is $12 to $15 if you buy gold with gems. How is this possible?

Presumably, lots of people farm keys.

Thaddeus.4891:

Darkobra.6439:

Vol.7601:

how about farmers like me? ;_;

Then you’re playing the wrong game and you have my condolences.

Lol good one. But even farmer like you don’t gamble. You find a spot where you can get a good amount of gold per hours and you don’t farm it too much so you don’t get into the DR. But personally, farming in this game is both boring and is a really bad way to gain gold. I don’t know all farming spot and some can be profitable, but they are really rare.

8-12 g an hour farm is a bad way to make gold?

>____>

[Edited for clarity: * symbols were replaced with bold text, so need to use x for multiplication now]

HEAR HEAR
My solution for RNG:
->The more times you try to get an item through luck, the higher the chance goes each time.

How would this work?

• If you decide to open ‘Black lion chest’, give a list of possible drops and select the one you would like to accumulate chance for.

Example of the weapon claim ticket:
- Say, the chance for a weapon claim ticket is 3% per chest. If you don’t get in the first chest, the next chest gives you 3%x1.5 (4.5%) chance to get the claim ticket.
- Still don’t get it from the 2nd chest? Accumulate chance again: (3%x1.5)x1.5 chance (6.8% chance) to get it on next chest and so on ~10%, 15%, 22%, 34%, 51%, 76%.
- Once you cross 100% (since each try accumulates 1,5 times more chance that will happen at the 11th try) and did not get the item yet, you will get the ticket guaranteed the next time, so you don’t have to try hundreds and hundreds of times.

The same should apply for mystic forge.
If precursor drop rate from forge is 0,001% if using rares, accumulate chance for each try aswell. 1.5 still seems a good number for this. You’ll not get the item guaranteed unless you spend at least a decent amount of money on it, but at least you won’t have to farm 5 months for a single precursor.

Try/Chance
-Number of rares dropped in forge

1/0,001
-4

2/0,001|5
-8

3/0,002|25
-12

4/0,003|375
-16

5/0,005|
-20

6/0,007|5
-24

7/0,011|25
-28

8/0,016|875
-32

9/0,025|
-36

10/0,037|5
-40

11/0,056|25
-44

…

Slowpoke.2749:

To the people telling the poster that chests should be avoided at all costs: if everyone took that advice then you would have no skins to buy off of the TP. Some people take the initiative to gamble so you lot wouldn’t have to.

If everyone took that approach then ArenaNet would be forced to change the manner in which they offer new skins. And I eye-rolled at the notion that people who drop $40 or more dollars on these skins are doing so for some altruistic reason.

darkace.8925:

Slowpoke.2749:

To the people telling the poster that chests should be avoided at all costs: if everyone took that advice then you would have no skins to buy off of the TP. Some people take the initiative to gamble so you lot wouldn’t have to.

If everyone took that approach then ArenaNet would be forced to change the manner in which they offer new skins. And I eye-rolled at the notion that people who drop $40 or more dollars on these skins are doing so for some altruistic reason.

/sigh

Those people do not gamble for us but their gambling is the reason we can farm gold and purchase the skins off of the trading post. I repeat, if no one opens a single Black Lion Chest ever again, there will be no further skins appearing on the market. Thus when the currently remaining ones are all bought, you can kiss goodbye to ever getting one until you either give in and gamble yourself or wait for others to start opening the chests again.

All the “smart” people commenting that only morons would waste money (either in-game or real world currency) on chests fail to realize that those “morons” are the ones providing the skin supply in the trading post. Capiche?

darkace.8925:

If everyone took that approach then ArenaNet would be forced to change the manner in which they offer new skins.

Already answered this a few posts ago. They wouldn’t. Anet needs the money to recoup the production cost of the game and fund further development. If no one bought those things then they would make them more enticing until people started buying them.

They can not afford to retire the chests since it has been proven that cash shop gambling produces a bigger revenue than straight up selling the items that would be otherwisde hidden behind an RNG wall. Most humans are susceptible to gambling. The only question is that how much each individual is willing to risk.

To the OP: You’d have been better off converting those gems to gold and then placing a buy order on the TP. Most of the love-struck skins are in the high 40’s for buy prices right now. Sure, you have to wait, and you have to baby the buy order so no-one outbids you, but I’ve obtained 5 or 6 of the skins through that method.

Well, on the topic of ‘wasting gold’ on BL chests, I have little use for gold in this game. I have been playing since launch and have yet to get a Precursor. I have enough gold, enough mats, enough everything I need. I have no interest in Ascended Armor until it provides a better stat bonus.

As it stands I enjoy gambling in BL chests. The only content I really play seriously in this game is dungeon clears. The boosters from the BL chests help there a bit but overall I just like opening chests and wondering what’s inside.

So yes, I just wanted to voice an opinion from this side of the fence. Anything I want in this game, I’ve gotten with Tokens, Relics, Commendations, or Gold….and there is nothing else I feel like outright buying. It’s a fun way to gamble if you’ve got the coin for it but you’re right…it doesn’t pay off quite that often. Still, I’ve gotten a few items that I’ve sold for hundreds of gold.

Vol.7601:

Thaddeus.4891:

Darkobra.6439:

Vol.7601:

how about farmers like me? ;_;

Then you’re playing the wrong game and you have my condolences.

Lol good one. But even farmer like you don’t gamble. You find a spot where you can get a good amount of gold per hours and you don’t farm it too much so you don’t get into the DR. But personally, farming in this game is both boring and is a really bad way to gain gold. I don’t know all farming spot and some can be profitable, but they are really rare.

8-12 g an hour farm is a bad way to make gold?

>____>

I didn’t say that. There is so many things that can be farmed and several ways to farm each items. From time to time i found a good farming spot, use it for a while then stop when the spot became less profitable, but i never enjoyed that. Right now, dungeon run are so profitable and way more fun (for me) so i stick with that when i want to make gold. I’m sure there is a lot of spot where you can do a lot of gold farming them, but most of them don’t get you 8-12g for long time, because as more people figure out about the spot, it become more and more exploited and the price drop. I used to farm Charged and Onyx Lodestone when they selling between 2,5 and 4 Gold each, but that time is long gone.

Sirendor.1394:

Math error

If you have an item with 3% chance and you are guaranteed to get it after your 11th try, it’s not a 3% chance anymore: it’s a 9% chance (or actually bigger, because I don’t wanna do maths and I know it’d be bigger)!!

Sylv.5324:

This is my non-dungeon suggestion for making money.

Go to: http://us.gw2stuff.com/en/

Find your world.

Do a full round of world boss events as they come up. Dragons, temples, whatever. This might take a couple hours, or just one; do as many as you can. Guest to other worlds if necessary. You can make from 3-10 gold a night doing this, particularly if you salvage your yellows for ectos and then sell those, too. Sell everything.

Or more. I was doing that one night and the legend dropped for me out of a wolf in FG. Bam. Instead 700g+ in my pocket.

Thaddeus.4891:

Vol.7601:

Thaddeus.4891:

Darkobra.6439:

Vol.7601:

how about farmers like me? ;_;

Then you’re playing the wrong game and you have my condolences.

Lol good one. But even farmer like you don’t gamble. You find a spot where you can get a good amount of gold per hours and you don’t farm it too much so you don’t get into the DR. But personally, farming in this game is both boring and is a really bad way to gain gold. I don’t know all farming spot and some can be profitable, but they are really rare.

8-12 g an hour farm is a bad way to make gold?

>____>

I didn’t say that. There is so many things that can be farmed and several ways to farm each items. From time to time i found a good farming spot, use it for a while then stop when the spot became less profitable, but i never enjoyed that. Right now, dungeon run are so profitable and way more fun (for me) so i stick with that when i want to make gold. I’m sure there is a lot of spot where you can do a lot of gold farming them, but most of them don’t get you 8-12g for long time, because as more people figure out about the spot, it become more and more exploited and the price drop. I used to farm Charged and Onyx Lodestone when they selling between 2,5 and 4 Gold each, but that time is long gone.

DR says hi.

Sirendor.1394:

HEAR HEAR
My solution for RNG:
->The more times you try to get an item through luck, the higher the chance goes each time.

How would this work?

• If you decide to open ‘Black lion chest’, give a list of possible drops and select the one you would like to accumulate chance for.

Example of the weapon claim ticket:
- Say, the chance for a weapon claim ticket is 3% per chest. If you don’t get in the first chest, the next chest gives you 3%1.5 (4.5%) chance to get the claim ticket.
- Still don’t get it from the 2nd chest? Accumulate chance again: (3%1.5)*1.5 chance (6.8% chance) to get it on next chest and so on ~10%, 15%, 22%, 34%, 51%, 76%.
- Once you cross 100% (since each try accumulates 1,5 times more chance that will happen at the 11th try) and did not get the item yet, you will get the ticket guaranteed the next time, so you don’t have to try hundreds and hundreds of times.

The same should apply for mystic forge.
If precursor drop rate from forge is 0,001% if using rares, accumulate chance for each try aswell. 1.5 still seems a good number for this. You’ll not get the item guaranteed unless you spend at least a decent amount of money on it, but at least you won’t have to farm 5 months for a single precursor.

The thing is, any system like this would have two ways to work.

In the case of the claim tickets, they could easily make it guarantee 1 whatever for every 10 chests bought, but that would have to come with a much, much higher price per chest. If you really think that they would implement a system where you’re guaranteed to get the skins within a few tries at current prices, you’re dreaming. Big time. And of course, there are many things that people want out of a black lion chest. Should all of them get their own counters?

As for the Mystic Forge, it would have to come with a counter that has an absurdly high number. Such as the often-quoted 10,000. And considering how the Mystic Forge works, there would be a lot of weird stuff with it. If you forge any 4 rares, you could get a completely random precursor. On the other hand, if you forge 4 things of the same type, you get an item of that type. So the questions are:

• Would each item type have their own counter? That is, would forging 4 greatswords count towards “greatsword precursor counter” or “precursor counter”?
• What about when you forge 4 different types and get a random type in return?

Azreell.1568:

Thaddeus.4891:

Vol.7601:

Thaddeus.4891:

Darkobra.6439:

Vol.7601:

how about farmers like me? ;_;

Then you’re playing the wrong game and you have my condolences.

Lol good one. But even farmer like you don’t gamble. You find a spot where you can get a good amount of gold per hours and you don’t farm it too much so you don’t get into the DR. But personally, farming in this game is both boring and is a really bad way to gain gold. I don’t know all farming spot and some can be profitable, but they are really rare.

8-12 g an hour farm is a bad way to make gold?

>____>

I didn’t say that. There is so many things that can be farmed and several ways to farm each items. From time to time i found a good farming spot, use it for a while then stop when the spot became less profitable, but i never enjoyed that. Right now, dungeon run are so profitable and way more fun (for me) so i stick with that when i want to make gold. I’m sure there is a lot of spot where you can do a lot of gold farming them, but most of them don’t get you 8-12g for long time, because as more people figure out about the spot, it become more and more exploited and the price drop. I used to farm Charged and Onyx Lodestone when they selling between 2,5 and 4 Gold each, but that time is long gone.

DR says hi.

Funny enough, I made 4 guardians to combat DR (which only hits me during the weekends when I farm a ton).

At a minimum you get 8-12g an hour, when you can get as much as 14-16g/h

Vol.7601:

Azreell.1568:

Thaddeus.4891:

Vol.7601:

Thaddeus.4891:

Darkobra.6439:

Vol.7601:

how about farmers like me? ;_;

Then you’re playing the wrong game and you have my condolences.

Lol good one. But even farmer like you don’t gamble. You find a spot where you can get a good amount of gold per hours and you don’t farm it too much so you don’t get into the DR. But personally, farming in this game is both boring and is a really bad way to gain gold. I don’t know all farming spot and some can be profitable, but they are really rare.

8-12 g an hour farm is a bad way to make gold?

>____>

I didn’t say that. There is so many things that can be farmed and several ways to farm each items. From time to time i found a good farming spot, use it for a while then stop when the spot became less profitable, but i never enjoyed that. Right now, dungeon run are so profitable and way more fun (for me) so i stick with that when i want to make gold. I’m sure there is a lot of spot where you can do a lot of gold farming them, but most of them don’t get you 8-12g for long time, because as more people figure out about the spot, it become more and more exploited and the price drop. I used to farm Charged and Onyx Lodestone when they selling between 2,5 and 4 Gold each, but that time is long gone.

DR says hi.

Funny enough, I made 4 guardians to combat DR (which only hits me during the weekends when I farm a ton).

At a minimum you get 8-12g an hour, when you can get as much as 14-16g/h

Fair enough I forgot it’s only account based in dungeons.

Fror.2163:

Sirendor.1394:

Math error

If you have an item with 3% chance and you are guaranteed to get it after your 11th try, it’s not a 3% chance anymore: it’s a 9% chance (or actually bigger, because I don’t wanna do maths and I know it’d be bigger)!!

Aaahh no no. The code killed all my * symbols and replaced them with bold statements, makes no sense atm. Guess I’ll need to fix it xD

Olba.5376:

Sirendor.1394:

HEAR HEAR
My solution for RNG:
->The more times you try to get an item through luck, the higher the chance goes each time.

How would this work?

• If you decide to open ‘Black lion chest’, give a list of possible drops and select the one you would like to accumulate chance for.

Example of the weapon claim ticket:
- Say, the chance for a weapon claim ticket is 3% per chest. If you don’t get in the first chest, the next chest gives you 3%1.5 (4.5%) chance to get the claim ticket.
- Still don’t get it from the 2nd chest? Accumulate chance again: (3%1.5)*1.5 chance (6.8% chance) to get it on next chest and so on ~10%, 15%, 22%, 34%, 51%, 76%.
- Once you cross 100% (since each try accumulates 1,5 times more chance that will happen at the 11th try) and did not get the item yet, you will get the ticket guaranteed the next time, so you don’t have to try hundreds and hundreds of times.

The same should apply for mystic forge.
If precursor drop rate from forge is 0,001% if using rares, accumulate chance for each try aswell. 1.5 still seems a good number for this. You’ll not get the item guaranteed unless you spend at least a decent amount of money on it, but at least you won’t have to farm 5 months for a single precursor.

The thing is, any system like this would have two ways to work.

In the case of the claim tickets, they could easily make it guarantee 1 whatever for every 10 chests bought, but that would have to come with a much, much higher price per chest. If you really think that they would implement a system where you’re guaranteed to get the skins within a few tries at current prices, you’re dreaming. Big time. And of course, there are many things that people want out of a black lion chest. Should all of them get their own counters?

As for the Mystic Forge, it would have to come with a counter that has an absurdly high number. Such as the often-quoted 10,000. And considering how the Mystic Forge works, there would be a lot of weird stuff with it. If you forge any 4 rares, you could get a completely random precursor. On the other hand, if you forge 4 things of the same type, you get an item of that type. So the questions are:

• Would each item type have their own counter? That is, would forging 4 greatswords count towards “greatsword precursor counter” or “precursor counter”?
• What about when you forge 4 different types and get a random type in return?

Let’s see:
1- Prices:
If you’re talking about gem prices, it seems rather fair. I may be wrong but isn’t it 125 gems for a single key? That means, if you are unlucky, you’ll pay about $10 for your weapon skin.

Gold prices will automatically drop once they install the counter. Of course, some will make profit, some will make losses, but think about this: what’s better? Fixing the rewarding for every player after the fix or not fixing anything for the sake of a few individuals?

2- Counters: the thing I proposed works through a sort of memory, and I do not know if it’s possible, because that much data would most likely take a lot of memory. Maybe a restriction should be added: only 1 counter at any given moment. If you choose to go for another item you’ll loose progression on the one you’ve been progressing.

On the bright side, there also are counters for every achievement…. so I would think keeping a counter for items like these would be possible too.

3- Precursors should stay a prestige item of course. Maybe the multiplier could be lowered so that it still is significant, but not overly. I’m not a legendary owner myself because I didn’t see the point of farming for whatever reason, not saying I will go for precursors if they increase the chance based on earlier tries, but I’m sure a lot of people won’t go “Ragequit after dumping all money in precursor and getting nothing, while this guy there got 6 precursors out of the same amount”.

As for precursor chances: do greatswords have an adapted chance at the moment, since you can get 2? In any case the chance is still low enough to prevent everyone to be running around with a legendary after 1 day. :P I know a lot of people with a legendary, so it really isn’t a rare encounter anymore. I’m a fervent ‘forum warrior’ against any sort of grind though, so I believe legendaries should be an attainable goal, for everyone.

Practical counter issue: you don’t know what you’ll get out of the forge, sure, but the chance for a certain precursor will be increased per try if you toggle that one, instead of the others. So that won’t make that you get increased chance in both dusk, zap, the legend etc. One item at one time should be the rule.

I have gambled more than 250 black lion keys now and I have got nothing good from them. I have gambled about over 1.2k gold in the mystic forge got dawn once so 600g back since I sold for that much. I am not angry that I lost this much money I just gamble more and hope for my lucky break. my point is that it was your choice to gamble and I am sure you was warned by someone or something about it.

“The successes of the few are paid for by the many”