Guild Wars 2

No MO. Female asura and charr deserve to have feminine looks.

Yes.

What was that phrase? Six or nothing?

No. And convert more of the female human armors to female Asura and Char. Moonbeam Dewclaw wants to look pretty.

Yes MO. I would very much like you all to change Female asura and charr armour to the male-variant. Thank you for reconsidering this and hopefully it will be changed. It just looks really, really out of place, and doesn’t fit the races at all.

Yea I don’t see why Female Charr and Asura would need to have flat Armor, all races need those nice breastplates. “Im not a perv” anyways I would not like the armor to be swapped to the male Variant.

Yes, please.

While I think it is nice to sometimes have alternate looks between male/female charr/asura, I don’t believe the female variants should be different in that they emphasize on breasts/more-skin. I believe there is more to female portrayal than breasts/skin.

Pictures, for those who haven’t seen this armor on female Asura and Charr.

imo it should be changed to male armor, at least on the chest plate.

Yes, please change it as soon as possible. It looks really out of place at the moment.

I’d say the current look doesn’t work for those races. It would look better as the male version.

please do change it. While it’s nice to have alternate models, I’ve never been fond of gender-gated armor in general and I think this especially is a crude mockery of the unimaginative ways dimorphism is often expressed in fantasy races. While feminized skins aren’t inherently wrong, breast-cup skins on races that don’t have breasts not only doesn’t make sense physically, but looks downright ludicrous.

Yes please change. Also please consider giving a week or two grace period for players to buy GoBs from the WvW vendor as the announcement that it would be moved to a reward track was buried in the April patch notes and was missed by many.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Gift-of-Battle-2/first

Thanks.

I wouldn’t say change it to male.

But do something more fitting than what it currently is.

Absolutely. I rolled mostly charr and Asura’s to avoid the weird skimpy stuff your art dept is fixated on. In an ideal world, each race/gender would have something close to their own set for something on this level. Giving them the male version isn’t perfect, but at least its less silly.

Yes, change it to the male variant.

Please do, and please don’t let this happen again. I’m literally begging you at this point.

If anyone recalls, I was the author of the major, old thread about Charr armor that inspired the Lion’s Arch Charr armor protests:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1isd48/i_want_to_share_the_agony_of_charr_armor_and_how/

This was nearly three years ago and the situation has barely improved. This stuff still happens. Clipping, human → Charr armor imports, sizing armors that don’t fit Charr anatomy. It’s never been rectified and it’s really distasteful to me. Reading the thread, you can understand I take this stuff pretty seriously, and while I don’t want to make another huge post here, I do want to reiterate a point I’ve made for a long time: if you don’t have the resources to treat all five races fairly, you shouldn’t have committed to making five races. Doing so is an obligation to your players, your game, and the world both are set in to create an immersive and high-quality universe. Charr deserve as much love as humans, as do every other race. I really get tired of having to bring this up because I know Anet can do better. Players have been begging for years to give Charr armor the attention it deserves. We’re not asking for every armor set to be cultural, we just want to feel like you care.

Also, at the risk of upsetting some people, please kindly ignore the players saying they like the boob plates for feminine Charr. I, and I know the original designers of the Charr would agree, are strongly considerate of the lack of sexual dimorphism in Charr – males and females tend to appear the same. Even NPCs in-game mistake them often. Charr do not make distinctions between masculinity and femininity, and would be repulsed by the idea because it individualizes a Legion-based society. Sacrificing that art direction and world building isn’t worth catering to people who want to make princesses.

Thanks.

Oh good god YES SWITCH IT OUT!!!!!!!!
Charr are supposed to have six boobs anyway.

Yes Please.

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Please change it, at least to the male version if not to something specifically more fitting for those races.

Yes, please change breastplate.
or add 2 more rows
Hole for tail would be very appreciated too, it’s legendary armor, not some ordinary “open and forget” skin.

Yes MO, and along with this could you please sort out the medium armor on the Charr, rather than the tail going through the clothing, can you weight the clothing to the tail? or something because it is a thing that gets on a lot of peoples nerves, not just myself.

After stalking the forums since launch I’ve finally decided to sign up just so I could answer this.

For a long time I’ve wanted more feminine options for Charr and Asura. But they need to also make sense for the bodies that they’re on. I don’t think switching them to the male version is the right option, but I do personally find it better than leaving things as they are now. Ideally, you could have the team spend a little bit more time on the armor to find a feminine style that works with the body shapes you have available.

Still, thank you MO for taking the time to address this yourself. It means a lot that you’re tackling this personally.

If I may make another suggestion it would be to remove the random heads on the armor. It would go a long way to making the armor more attractive for female characters. I can’t speak for the people who play male characters but as someone who plays with her husband I can say that generally speaking anything with a creature’s head on it isn’t very attractive. Gritty, yes. Attractive, no.

If swapping it to male is the best that can be done at present, yes. But ideally I’d like to see it adapted better.

No, at least for asura. The variety is already extremely slim on armor choices between male and female.

Yes. It looks completely ridiculous currently.

Yes. Please swap the female variant for the male one on charr and asura medium and light.

Yes. The breastplates look completely out of place on female Charr and Asura.

Yes, change it to male varitant. Be consistent. That’s what professionals do.

And please consider fixing it to be as compatible as possible with older armor so there are no missing/invisible body parts when we mix and match.

Yes please. These armors make no sense given Asura/Charr anatomy.

I am impartial to the Asura/Charr situation as I don’t play either. However, can I please ask that you take a look at the design of the medium armor? It has everything I detest about medium armor fashion in one package and doesn’t look or feel legendary at all, even in early precursor form.

1) Huge, asymmetrical shoulders
2) Oversized gloves
3) YET ANOTHER COAT

The set is the opposite of sleek and doesn’t stand out at all compared to any other armor set. Just looks like a weird version of Bladed armor. I am so, so sick of coats, and now the legendary armor is one too. Nothing special at all.

Yes, changing it would be for the best.

Yes, please, change it to male variant.

Yes please! Simply sticking a bikini top on asura or charr goes against those two’s unique visual appearances (vs the standard trend of humanoids in fantasy) in terms of dimorphism, and not to mention that players of those two have often felt that those unique appearances of them in general have often been massively disregarded vs the more humanoid races in terms of armor and the anatomical (and in this instance you could add lore-cultural) considerations it entails.
Thank you for being open to the possibility of changing them!

I’d prefer a fixed female armor instead of a half expansion skin replacement.

No, as my female Charr and Asura almost always seem to be stuck with male variants of armor. Something to make them seem more feminine is always welcome.

Or…better yet, how about a choice for each player? I suppose that would be too much to ask. Sigh.

Yes. The current state is so bad that – as someone whose main is a female charr – I wouldn’t consider making the legendary set if the precursor wasn’t changed to be less horrifying. The fact that charr basically have no gender differences in body shape and use the same armor sets on every other set of armor in the game is one of the design choices I like best about the race.

Six or none!

A more sleek version tailored for Charr and Asura females would allow for some femininity without looking like they’d just been stuffed into the ported over male chestplate.

But either would be an improvement over boobplate on races that don’t even have boobs.

It really makess the ridiculousness of sexualising only one genders armour more obvious when you see it outside the accepted humanoid female context eh?

Yes, fitted male armor for female charr and asura

yes. Please make it unique, so that it isnt just a male as default thing like in most armors.. because I would still like that but I see that people want to look special and different.

So please, take away the cups and make something unique for them..

Yes. and while you are at it, i would love to have non boobed armor for all of my lady characters if possible. can’t we have both tbh?

Is it possible that instead of taking away female variant and replacing with male…or keeping it and having people bemoaning the lack of male variant…that we get a toggle?

Hear met out please. This would be giving the community something extra that everyone could be happy with, and could potentially be applied to other armor sets. I know it’d be a lot of work, but the end result would be a wonderful thing.

Having a male/female version toggle for armors when applicable would be a wonderful thing imo.

I am more wondering how the female variants of two of the sets are showing a lot of skin, while, yet again, the male variants cover everything up. Equality, please. We do not have enough male skimpy armor!

This marks the third or fourth (I think) armor set with HoT where you have missed the opportunity to make male skimpy armor, but have done so for female variants.

Mike O Brien.4613:

Today is one day after release; you’re presumably not that attached to your Charr and Asura female precursor armor yet. Would you like us to swap out the female-variant breastplate for a male-variant one?

Mo

Yes please!

Yes.

I’m not opposed to “sexy” armor skins, or even armor skins that are different based on gender. However, these just don’t fit charr or asura well. They have no curves to accentuate with the boob plate, and it just ends up looking silly. I believe the male model would be a much better fit.

Yes I believe they should be changed.

Yes, they absolutely should wear the male armor. It just doesn’t look right to slap a bikini top on a battlecat. I mean, I wouldn’t mind not having a bikini top on the rest of the races, but I’m not expecting that to happen so..

Mike O Brien.4613:

Hi all,

Yesterday ….
Mo

YES!

Yeah, change it. Makes absolutely no sense in an armor perspective, or from an anatomical perspective. Male versions would look way better.

Yes, please. Boob plates always look ridiculous to me and I really wish you would stop making metal bikinis in general, but adding boob plates to characters that does not even have breasts takes it to a whole new level. Please backtrack.

Six or nothing.

As silly as it sounds, I do believe that the armor should go with the “six or none” theme. If the char anatomy is anything like feline anatomy, then ..it resolves itself.

If Anet ends up insisting that we go the two breasted route for female Charr and Asura, then I want “anthro” choices for humans. Cat ears, cat tails, etc.