Guild Wars 2

Lilith Ajit.6173:

I’m just mad because I didn’t want anything other than an open conversation about it. Or even just a response that says whether or not they think it will happen again. I have no reason to level fractals. I have no desire to go in and have my progress destroyed in 6 months when they think more people should go into fractals. Because the real truth is, the argument for 30 was that people couldn’t get up to 50. But really, I highly (and I mean highly) doubt that the number of people maxed out at lvl 50 fractals now is much different from those that were before. Casuals still don’t play above level 19. And so next time they decide to “increase the challenges for leaderboards that won’t ever exist because they never had any idea on how in the first place” (hence the several dev comments either saying explicitly that they’re still trying to figure out how to measure fractal awesomeness or simply asking, ‘how to do bros?’ As in the CDI).

that the other thing, if they had totally blown up the difficulty scaling, and created a more accessible system for new content, that gave better scaling for players, it would be one thing, but the linear scale system was the problem and its still there, even if it doesnt fit the content any more.
while level 31-40 is all the same difficulty roughly, with varying conditions, it presents itself as if 40 is harder than the rest, which isnt the case. They want a system where people select the instabilities that are interesting, but the rewards reward the one that is the least interesting

and once again they are going to have to keep placing content behind higher levels as they release more instabilities, which wont be available for most players.

the new system doesnt solve most of their problems, its heading the same way, and when/if they fix it, they will still have to come up with a way not to screw the people that worked hard under this system before its changed.

I can completely understand some of the sentiments here, even though I rarely ever play the fractals. They’re not my thing, but deleting player progress for any reason short of hacking the game to pieces is just not right.

Getting the “talk to the hand” treatment is also not right, but it seems to be pretty common in the gaming industry. Player concerns do not get taken seriously until there is a seismic shift in population. Fortunately we may be right on the edge of that.

What leaderboards?

Dont forget about this also (right before they lost connection Izzy was about to talk about Fractals reset) http://dulfy.net/2013/12/13/gw2-developer-livestream-2013-retrospective-notes/

This was the one thing that drove me from any sort of commitment to this game. Prior to Fractured, I was active on the forums, I was actively recruiting and holding fractals training sessions regularly to get people into and enjoying fractals. I did daily fractal runs. I did several runs at levels above 50 because of the challenge. With the limited AR, Fractal level used to mean something also…because to get to level 50 you really needed to have everything that could have AR, with AR…which meant you had to be committed to fractals to want to do regular 48’s or above. Even outside of fractals, I had every gift gathered to make my Legendary and was repeatedly throwing greatswords into the mystic forge going for Dusk to make it.

After Fractured and the COMPLETE lack of any response regarding the changes after countless threads….and having my own threads deleted or moved and merged with no comments at all…and having this constant “dev blackout” on this topic…I really haven’t put any more investment into the game. I post very rarely here…I haven’t bothered getting my legendary….I think I am only up to level 34 in the new fractals (haven’t bothered with them after I ran a couple runs and realized they were much easier than before…which meant I was effectively “wasting time” regaining my old levels.

I lost my passion for this game…like Lilith said, not necessarily over the lack of compensation, but the utter lack of anyone over at ANET willing to even discuss it with us. We had threads going into more pages than I have seen in anything outside of a CDI and yet not a single response. I have had so many threads deleted or merged without a single response. We have had Chris and Izzy both say they were “thinking” of a response….without a single response. This recent “shut up” by Chris in the CDI felt like another slap in the face…

Seriously ANET, why the blackout on this topic? You had a loyal fanbase who did content in this game that was constantly bugged and you basically just slapped us all in the face and said nothing beyond that. Total blackout when discussing this. In most of the threads we were respectful, we offered insight as to our thinking, we offered possible solutions, we offered to discuss it with you. We got nothing in response.

I count hours before this thread is deleted also.

Leveling the playing field was Izzy’s response:

How many of you were trapped in Cliffside as your final fractal with no way to progress? How many were stuck in Ascalon with no vets for support having to fight your way all the way through it alone? How many had the Maw not die because you knocked down his life prior to second phase and now your 2 hour fractal run was over.

I had more 48+ fractal runs end by bugs than it would take me right now to get to level 50…which is why I just have no urge to do even the levels up to 50 again. I endured Fractals when they had bugs that would go months without fixing…and if you hit the bug, you just had to “deal with it” and start over…often after a multi-hour run because you had dredge as your second fractal. I endured Fractals when they were hard because you barely had enough AR to survive so you had to use timing of Guardian heals to get past the Maw’s AR. I had my 500 fractal achievement only a couple months after fractals were introduced…and I did it all with PUG’s since none of my friends did fractals in the beginning. Now, you make me do those levels all over again because of skip-able instabilities….that is the insult to me. The new fractals don’t hit like the old ones…I was once one-shotted by a bunny on a level 72 because I didn’t time my dodge correctly. ONE-SHOTTED BY A BUNNY! It took teamwork to accomplish those levels…if someone went down (being one-shotted by a bunny) the WHOLE team jumped on them to rez them…because you had to…you NEEDED your whole team.

Leveling the playing field for Instabilities? How about leveling the playing field by making all the new players do 30-50 with the ever-present possibility that a bug would pop up preventing all further progress. I did 2500 fractals with THOSE instabilities, skip-able instabilities is a joke compared to that. The current level 48 (I’ve only done 48’s even though my new fractal level is only 34) is really a joke compared to the old one. With new AR, and Ascended weapons, it’s really not hard…the monsters hit far less hard and take far less damage to bring down.

Basically what I am saying is you young kids have it easy with your new fractals. In my day we went through the Snowblind fractal walking up-hill through ten feet of snow both ways dodging one-shot lightning bolts, only to have the ice-gate closed after one guy went in to fight the boss with no way for the rest of us to join him.

Now get off my lawn.

I find it funny how very uneducated people are when bringing up the exploiting arguments. They never got to level 50 themselves, yet they base all their knowledge on “she-said-he-said” rumors about exploiting the content. “You’re higher than me? You must’ve exploited!”

I personally have never gotten past level 50. I’ve known some that did, but I felt that the time was better spent leveling my alts to level 50 as well. With three toons completely leveled to 50 and 1 more on her way in her teen level I couldn’t contain my excitement when I saw that “Coming soon” picture on their release page that clearly meant “fractals update”. Then we all know how that ended.

I was hoping for something, anything with this current CDI. The conversation had started quite on point and on subject stating clearly what should be done with fractals. When the main points were clearly stated, people took it to creative level. At this point it’s not even about fractals anymore. It’s about “fixing” rolling, speedclearing, and choosing your fractals. I mean we have people that never done a fractal past level 30 and are discussing how we should make instabilities harder. All Anet has to do now is do whatever they want, and they can safely say: You guys asked for this.

I’ll continue to play fractals because of my friends, not because of my passion for this particular area of the game (which is diminishing with every post I read in CDI segment). But frankly… I have no hope for the future of fractals at this point. From what we know is that it takes about 4 months for CDI to show in-game progress. Needless to say, we can expect another reset in 4 months time…

Regardless I can relate completely how you feel Lilith. Chris’ response left me baffled…

Never forget.

Zelyhn.8069:

Kaiyanwan.8521:

Zelyhn.8069:

Kaiyanwan.8521:

The whole system was more or less abused to get to higher levels anyway.

People want to be rewarded for that? You have made it, you got the loot (even though loot in this game fails) and the memories. Good enough I say.

It was not abused. I got to level 80 without using a single glitch/exploit, ever!

I would say the same if had abused the system. It doesn’t matter what you did or not. The fact that it was abused massively justifies the decision not to give out any reward/compensation.

I do not care about compensation, really. Of course it bothers me a bit that other communities get compensated for resets while we do not, but that is not personal, it is a matter of justice. In fact I speak out only because I can not tolerate Anet being OK with treating their player-base like that. If they can be so incredibly insulting to some part of their community what is the reason to believe that they won’t act the same way for the rest of the player-base? This time it was us, but next time it may be others, and then we well see how people feel offended …

My point is that the Fractured patch showed one thing: Anet does not care.

It won’t happen to their precious super casuals (who never got past fractal 9, if they ever set foot in it) or their beloved pvpers, I promise you that.
Mark my words. The time for dungeons and fractals is done and gone.

Here’s the direct quote from Izzy for referencing purposes:

Fractals: Why did you feel that resetting everybody to fractal level 30 was the best course of action?
“We were changing the relative difficulties of those levels and really wanted to level the playing field and give everyone a fresh start. We know this devalued some of the work people did but we wanted everyone to have a common language as far as the progression in fractals and didn’t want confusion in terminology for example ’I’m a pre change level 50 fractal’. Now if someone says they are level 50 in fractals everyone understand what they did and what that progress means, this becomes very important as we increase the levels in fractals.” ~Isaiah Cartwright

Source

Nick.6972:

You do realize CDI threads are pointless?
They’ll still do what they want to do.
I’m willing to bet that most of the people are unsatisfied with Living Story, but do you think Arena Net cares? No. Just add more gem store items.

this is /thread worthy. CDI’s are a theatrical presentation, to give outsiders the impression that Anet is actually listening to the playerbase. Bottom line, if it doesn’t bring in gem sales, they aren’t allowed to work on it.

Fractals have always suffered with transparency. It seemed like every two weeks during the living story something would have changed in fractals without anything ever being in the patch notes.

Suddenly there is an invisible wall in a common skip-point, suddenly the cliffside fractal acts completely different on the third level, Suddenly there are dredge at the beginning of the dredge fractal, suddenly Guardian Shields no longer block certain attacks….it was ongoing. To say that Fractals never got any love in a year is probably incorrect.

Someone was working on fractals all year long…it is just that many of the “fixes” they enabled would introduce new bugs, and then these bugs would take weeks to fix, and then new bugs would appear. Cliffside was always a crap-shoot since that fractal changed constantly based on the whim of whoever was in charge of these patches. Same with Dredge. All of these though were “stealth” patches, very rarely being in any of the patch notes. It really did seem like every time I ran fractals after any patch the question was always “what works, what doesn’t after the last patch”.

Maybe the team in charge of fractals are all locked away in a little room in ANET’s basement without any outside internet access. This would explain the lack of any communication as they simply cannot talk to us. It also explains Chris’ responses since he probably doesn’t have access to go down into the “fractal dungeon” and speak to the fractal engineers. They are hidden away from the world.

Moshari.8570:

Fractals have always suffered with transparency. It seemed like every two weeks during the living story something would have changed in fractals without anything ever being in the patch notes.

Suddenly there is an invisible wall in a common skip-point, suddenly the cliffside fractal acts completely different on the third level, Suddenly there are dredge at the beginning of the dredge fractal, suddenly Guardian Shields no longer block certain attacks….it was ongoing. To say that Fractals never got any love in a year is probably incorrect.

Someone was working on fractals all year long…it is just that many of the “fixes” they enabled would introduce new bugs, and then these bugs would take weeks to fix, and then new bugs would appear. Cliffside was always a crap-shoot since that fractal changed constantly based on the whim of whoever was in charge of these patches. Same with Dredge. All of these though were “stealth” patches, very rarely being in any of the patch notes. It really did seem like every time I ran fractals after any patch the question was always “what works, what doesn’t after the last patch”.

Maybe the team in charge of fractals are all locked away in a little room in ANET’s basement without any outside internet access. This would explain the lack of any communication as they simply cannot talk to us. It also explains Chris’ responses since he probably doesn’t have access to go down into the “fractal dungeon” and speak to the fractal engineers. They are hidden away from the world.

Then why do CDI on it? Fractals fixes were always “based on the whim of whoever was in charge of these patches.” They never listened to what players have to say. It was always about communication. Those patches were barely anything players have asked. Big issue was always the dredge, instead of actually fixing the level, they made it harder. Not by fixing exploits, but by making the bodies teleport off buttons upon deaths. Who asked for this? Nobody.

Then when they finally had a dedicated team of designers to actually do some work on fractals because of the whole LS thing, instead of actually listening to players about issues and proposed fixes, they went free gunning with whatever they felt like. Judging from the streams they’ve presented up to Fractured path, many of them didn’t even play this part of the game. Given they listened to three things:

- Reward at the end
Which 10s increase is a joke when it comes down to high level fractals. Along with nerfing the drop rate significantly

- New levels
Which was promised thing as part of the election

- Account bound level
Which was probably one of the worst things ever done for some players that put their time and hard work into leveling their alts in fractals. And people that were asking for it, can’t use their alts anyway because of the AR restriction

Then when asked they went into communication lockdown. Like really? That’s incredibly unprofessional. Almost like punching somebody in the stomach, running away to the other room, locking the door and not answer to knocking and yelling. Maybe it’ll go away.

Then on top of that, with reset many players been voicing their concern constantly since it’s been announced. Not only most Posts were deleted, but nothing was ever properly addressed. And people that are trolling those forums screaming “exploit” never went past level 30 to begin with. So they’re glad that they’ve been put on pedestal with the rest of us because they didn’t have to lift a finger in order to be on the same level as us. Which to this day, 95% of them aren’t still.

The whole thing was a disaster. The execution. The broken promises (patch notes) that never been delivered upon. The complete lack of communication. It was a complete mess.

The one thing you can be sure of is that their PvP and WvW community won’t have to face this kind of execution. Because they’re always discuss everything with them and have a whole team dedicated to each area, hence those two places are getting better and better with every update. You won’t see that from that one guy locked in “Anet dungeon” that does stuff on the whim.

Romo.3709:

Then when asked they went into communication lockdown. Like really? That’s incredibly unprofessional. Almost like punching somebody in the stomach, running away to the other room, locking the door and not answer to knocking and yelling. Maybe it’ll go away.

I like the image. That’s exactly how I feel about it.

Estriella Faerie.4029:

Romo.3709:

Then when asked they went into communication lockdown. Like really? That’s incredibly unprofessional. Almost like punching somebody in the stomach, running away to the other room, locking the door and not answer to knocking and yelling. Maybe it’ll go away.

I like the image. That’s exactly how I feel about it.

Ditto.

After the energy I put in, I feel just like … Sick. I’ve never felt this pessimistic about anything in this game. I’ve always been a fan girl. I spend too much cold hard cash on this game…. Gah.

I don’t care if you think people deserve compensation or not, truthfully. And I don’t have a dog in this particular fight, because I barely ventured in to fractals before the update (and I haven’t been in since).

My issue is that a dev heard how upset people were, and made a promise to comment on it… and then when called upon to answer that promise, made it clear that no such comment was forthcoming.

This happened. It doesn’t matter what you think about Fractals or GW2 or even Chris Whiteside’s record of working hard and putting in extra time to communicate via these forums. If you deny that this is a shoddy way to treat people who have been respectful and patient in the midst of an emotionally turbulent time, I don’t think you’re examining what really happened.

Too true, Guhracie. I only started playing just as Fractured came down, so I wasn’t affected by the reset (and hell, I only run ~30ish fractals even now), but I really think it’s a shame that some really excellent people get treated like this.

I kind of feel like the leaderboards were a red herring, to give us an answer as to why levels needed to be reset.

Romo.3709:

Here’s the direct quote from Izzy for referencing purposes:

Fractals: Why did you feel that resetting everybody to fractal level 30 was the best course of action?
“We were changing the relative difficulties of those levels and really wanted to level the playing field and give everyone a fresh start. We know this devalued some of the work people did but we wanted everyone to have a common language as far as the progression in fractals and didn’t want confusion in terminology for example ’I’m a pre change level 50 fractal’. Now if someone says they are level 50 in fractals everyone understand what they did and what that progress means, this becomes very important as we increase the levels in fractals.” ~Isaiah Cartwright

Source

yeah, this is a recurring theme i feel with some of the design choices. They want to try to make things simple and clear, but as an engineer/designer its great to design simple solutions, but you should ask yourself if simple isnt really the right answer if its impeding or blocking the specifications/growth.

for example apple used to have a 1 button mouse because it was “simple” and easy. but it turns out with the many types of things people need to do, having another button is actually the better answer. People had to hold buttons longer, double tap, just to get the same functionality, and the rules keep changing. So one day apple made their mouse have 2 buttons, now the latest mouse is all touch, effectively having many buttons.

I tell you right now i play GW2 with a 20 button mouse, and its the best solution for the job for me. Trying to make GW2 a one button game to serve a one button mouse is not the right answer.

The difficulty scale is uniform, but thats confusing because the actual scaling isnt uniform. being at level 32 isnt much different than being at level 31, but being at level 9 is a huge difference from level 12. Reward scaling gives almost nothing at some differences and a lot at others. Some one who is at difficulty scale 34, may have done 34 level 48 fractals. Some one who did level 47, may have had it easier than someone who did level 39.

point is, the instabilities are differing challenges, they dont even really fit on a regular difficulty scale, saying you are level 48 isnt an objective measure of what type of difficulty you can deal with. Thats fine, but by shoe horning it into a standard number progression you are creating more problems than you solve.

@ Romo. When you said how disheartening it was to see what the CDI devolved into, it reminded me of what I said long before the CDI started:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

The issue I see with the CDI is that we are going to be talking there, but then we are also going to have all of these other folks who accuse us daily of exploits and being bad players and even going so far as to say we are bad people, and I know at least I am afraid that the CDI is going to be about how stacking shouldn’t be possible because spider queen blah blah and that dungeon sellers should be banned, and the real issues are going to go to the wayside because the actual dungeon runners won’t be able to out yell the others who just… Don’t even run the dungeons. That’s my fear.

This has happened. Spooky.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

@ Romo. When you said how disheartening it was to see what the CDI devolved into, it reminded me of what I said long before the CDI started:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

The issue I see with the CDI is that we are going to be talking there, but then we are also going to have all of these other folks who accuse us daily of exploits and being bad players and even going so far as to say we are bad people, and I know at least I am afraid that the CDI is going to be about how stacking shouldn’t be possible because spider queen blah blah and that dungeon sellers should be banned, and the real issues are going to go to the wayside because the actual dungeon runners won’t be able to out yell the others who just… Don’t even run the dungeons. That’s my fear.

This has happened. Spooky.

I guess it was just a matter of time. I mean they’re obviously bored and fractals would be a perfect place for speedclearing. Which is (for) now impossible due to it’s random nature. I gave up on the CDI for now. I said all I had to say. Anet will do whatever they want to do. Sadly, most of those great players we’ve had in fractals are done with them for good. So that CDI is practically a year late. All we have now is a very few that stayed and are still trying to voice their opinions, along with a lot of challenge hungry folks that are looking for new toys. If it wasn’t for my friends I wouldn’t step a foot inside of fractals again…

I feel the same. I see almost zero progress being made, and before the thing happened that spurred this thread, I saw it as a “butterflies and rainbows fantasy land!” because it was all “this would be amazing!” “This is so complicated it could never be implemented, but isnt it cool?” and ever since the response from Chris…. it’s a waste land. people are clutching onto things. The thread is even often on the second page now. No one is listening anymore. No one cares.

Well I have nothing more to give on that thread since chris said he understands our thoughts on rewards, dredge, rolling and leaderboards. Thats pretty much all I care about. And thats pretty much all there is to it. The only other thing is new challenging progression. Fractals is not a living story portal and I dont like that lots of casual players that never do fractals are trying to force that. If they succeed, I guarantee they still wont do fractals more than once and that will just be to experience the lore.

Spoj The Second.7680:

Well I have nothing more to give on that thread since chris said he understands our thoughts on rewards, dredge, rolling and leaderboards. Thats pretty much all I care about. And thats pretty much all there is to it. The only other thing is new challenging progression. Fractals is not a living story portal and I dont like that lots of casual players that never do fractals are trying to force that. If they succeed, I guarantee they still wont do fractals more than once and that will just be to experience the lore.

They will. They always do.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

I feel the same. I see almost zero progress being made, and before the thing happened that spurred this thread, I saw it as a “butterflies and rainbows fantasy land!” because it was all “this would be amazing!” “This is so complicated it could never be implemented, but isnt it cool?” and ever since the response from Chris…. it’s a waste land. people are clutching onto things. The thread is even often on the second page now. No one is listening anymore. No one cares.

The whole problem is that it went on for too long. People stated their problems and issues that needed a fix. Which was Dredge and Rewards. And that’s all fractals really needed. Then since those been “heard” people started being innovative. Rolling was never a problem as it doesn’t hurt the game in any way, yet it became a big thing for no reason. They started talking about Leaderboards which obviously was a complete failure. But instead addressing it as such, they desperately want it to work. That itself made speedclearers and I-Want-to-solo-everything guys come in play as they saw it as potential challenge.

I mean we’re at the point in that CDI where people that barely got past level 10 are saying that instabilities need to be harder without ever even experiencing them to begin with.

Making rolling impossible? Why? So when a group rolls something other than Swamp will never be joined in LFG? At this point they’re looking for issues that are not even there anymore. Main things been stated. I just read a proposal to have a random fractal level that rarely pops up and brings your personal level down 20 levels… How am I supposed to take that CDI seriously at this point?

Anet will always go with what casual players want. And that always is easy rewards and quick access without any hard work. So far they got most of it. Yet they still barely play…

Romo.3709:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

I feel the same. I see almost zero progress being made, and before the thing happened that spurred this thread, I saw it as a “butterflies and rainbows fantasy land!” because it was all “this would be amazing!” “This is so complicated it could never be implemented, but isnt it cool?” and ever since the response from Chris…. it’s a waste land. people are clutching onto things. The thread is even often on the second page now. No one is listening anymore. No one cares.

The whole problem is that it went on for too long. People stated their problems and issues that needed a fix. Which was Dredge and Rewards. And that’s all fractals really needed. Then since those been “heard” people started being innovative. Rolling was never a problem as it doesn’t hurt the game in any way, yet it became a big thing for no reason. They started talking about Leaderboards which obviously was a complete failure. But instead addressing it as such, they desperately want it to work. That itself made speedclearers and I-Want-to-solo-everything guys come in play as they saw it as potential challenge.

I mean we’re at the point in that CDI where people that barely got past level 10 are saying that instabilities need to be harder without ever even experiencing them to begin with.

Making rolling impossible? Why? So when a group rolls something other than Swamp will never be joined in LFG? At this point they’re looking for issues that are not even there anymore. Main things been stated. I just read a proposal to have a random fractal level that rarely pops up and brings your personal level down 20 levels… How am I supposed to take that CDI seriously at this point?

Anet will always go with what casual players want. And that always is easy rewards and quick access without any hard work. So far they got most of it. Yet they still barely play…

Patrikan was joking, he lost 50 levels with the reset and has been fighting a much less eloquent fight than you, but has been fighting quite a lot. But yeah, you’re right. I just… I don’t know. I was hopeful (silly me). I just hope they don’t listen to those guys about rolling being a priority and blah. It’s just so stupid to me.

And yeah, “I haven’t done fractals (because they’re too hard for casuals) but let me tell you how I think it should be harder to fit in with my idea of how the game should be.”

Moshari.8570:

Leveling the playing field was Izzy’s response:

How many of you were trapped in Cliffside as your final fractal with no way to progress? .

Well even if that won’t bring it back.. This bug was the reason I didn’t get to scale 82:) this was the Video of third fractal and a bug appeared we never ever had before so we thought Content is bugging out and no Need to Progress further.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_igZIivu3E

I really had hopes high that with the next big patch there are changes that are nice. But with recent comment of Chris my hopes faded away.

I wouldn’t say it’s quite so bad, Lilith. We haven’t had much about stacking or zerkers, which has been nice. The biggest problem was Chris’s dismissal of our largest concern, which is indeed super but actually related to ANet and not the community. I’m going to ignore the one troll which popped up in this thread as an outlier.

Yeah… I’m just disenchanted is all.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Patrikan was joking, he lost 50 levels with the reset and has been fighting a much less eloquent fight than you, but has been fighting quite a lot. But yeah, you’re right. I just… I don’t know. I was hopeful (silly me). I just hope they don’t listen to those guys about rolling being a priority and blah. It’s just so stupid to me.

And yeah, “I haven’t done fractals (because they’re too hard for casuals) but let me tell you how I think it should be harder to fit in with my idea of how the game should be.”

Oh, I wasn’t aware of that. I know how that feels since cumulative I’ve lost 70+ levels across my characters.

I was literally in disbelief when I read that proposal that’s why I just threw my hands in the air. For that I apologize.

He reminds me of a politician. He speaks plenty and says nothing.

@Romo what post or proposal of me did offend you ? if it was the case wasn’t meant to do so.

My Posts might be sometimes a bit over the top… But I actually have been fighting for “better fractals”(at least from my view:)) since the introduction of the january patch well over a year ago.
First: I was asking if 80 was the highest scale or if it’s a bug I can’t enter higher, I never got a Response.
Second: I really stept up for the People that weren’t Able to reach 80 anymore( I was already 81 back than) because they started the gearcheck Thing. I really hoped mutiple thread already back than that AR check is not smart and turns fractal into a Geartrademillfarmy place would Change they’re mind.
Third: The reset itself was just to much to me to stay constructive:) I tried it now and than I did proposals together as well , but most of the time I guess I was cynic because thats the easiest way for me to handle it.

Anyway great respects for all the guys who can Keep it objective in the threads and made/make good proposals.

Serious question: What kind of ‘compensation’ is it that you’re after? Never mind if it’s justified. I’ve mostly just read arguing and tantrums on this subject, so what would you like them to do?

Tman.6349:

Serious question: What kind of ‘compensation’ is it that you’re after? Never mind if it’s justified. I’ve mostly just read arguing and tantrums on this subject, so what would you like them to do?

We aren’t actually asking for compensation right now, what we are concerned about is “losing levels without compensation should never happen and developers should know not to do it again”

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

@Romo what post or proposal of me did offend you ? if it was the case wasn’t meant to do so.

Haha. Nah, not offended at all. I saw the proposal with loosing 20 levels every time u get a certain rare level and I was like “This guy cannot be serious. I’m loosing my hope in humanity”.
I wasn’t looking at names or anything. I was just in disbelief xD
I didn’t mean to sound offended or anything. Now that I know it was a joke I can actually light up a bit. Thanks for that.

Tman.6349:

Serious question: What kind of ‘compensation’ is it that you’re after? Never mind if it’s justified. I’ve mostly just read arguing and tantrums on this subject, so what would you like them to do?

Arguing and tantrums happened because of Anet’s responses:
Q. Are we getting compensated?
A. ….
Q. Hey, umm.. Are we getting compensated in any way?
A. ….
Q. We’re loosing levels for what?
A. Leaderboards.
(Leaderboards didn’t work)
Q. So about that compensation?
A. ….
Q. Guys are you even listening to us?
A. ….
Q. (In Character CDI) We want you to address this!
A. Confusion in terminology.
Q. Are you freaking serious??
A. ….
Q. You must be joking. Screw this…
A. I’ll think about it.
(wait)
Q. So about that reset.
A. Oh, it was already addressed, thanks for asking.
Q. No it wasn’t.
A. This is not on topic.
Q.

Romo.3709:

Tman.6349:

Serious question: What kind of ‘compensation’ is it that you’re after? Never mind if it’s justified. I’ve mostly just read arguing and tantrums on this subject, so what would you like them to do?

Arguing and tantrums happened because of Anet’s responses:
Q. Are we getting compensated?
A. ….
Q. Hey, umm.. Are we getting compensated in any way?
A. ….
Q. We’re loosing levels for what?
A. Leaderboards.
(Leaderboards didn’t work)
Q. So about that compensation?
A. ….
Q. Guys are you even listening to us?
A. ….
Q. (In Character CDI) We want you to address this!
A. Confusion in terminology.
Q. Are you freaking serious??
A. ….
Q. You must be joking. Screw this…
A. I’ll think about it.
(wait)
Q. So about that reset.
A. Oh, it was already addressed, thanks for asking.
Q. No it wasn’t.
A. This is not on topic.
Q. (?°?°)?? ???

Thank you for this Romo. This is actually, exactly how it happened. And it is humorous and depressing all at the same time. sigh particularly the last bit.

Make it into a comic strip.

Tman.6349:

Serious question: What kind of ‘compensation’ is it that you’re after? Never mind if it’s justified. I’ve mostly just read arguing and tantrums on this subject, so what would you like them to do?

I think the most common proposal is a Title for every 10 or 20 levels that were taken away. Not even something that affects the game like items or gold, but just something that memorializes the very difficult achievement.

Tman.6349:

Serious question: What kind of ‘compensation’ is it that you’re after? Never mind if it’s justified. I’ve mostly just read arguing and tantrums on this subject, so what would you like them to do?

Opinions diverges a bit depending on which player you ask.

Some only want a promise for Anet to never do that again. Personnaly, I don’t think this is enough. Promises only works for those who believe in them. And from what happened with Fractals since the beginning, Anet just can’t be trusted in this issue, as many things they said were never done (cliffside+dredge, fractal box, leaderboard, …).

From those who want something in compensation for the reset, most think a title depending on which level you attained back then would be a good idea.

Some are more extreme and want more than that: specific color weapon skin, fractal tonic, … have been options asked by some players.

Romo.3709:

Tman.6349:

Serious question: What kind of ‘compensation’ is it that you’re after? Never mind if it’s justified. I’ve mostly just read arguing and tantrums on this subject, so what would you like them to do?

Arguing and tantrums happened because of Anet’s responses:
Q. Are we getting compensated?
A. ….
Q. Hey, umm.. Are we getting compensated in any way?
A. ….
Q. We’re loosing levels for what?
A. Leaderboards.
(Leaderboards didn’t work)
Q. So about that compensation?
A. ….
Q. Guys are you even listening to us?
A. ….
Q. (In Character CDI) We want you to address this!
A. Confusion in terminology.
Q. Are you freaking serious??
A. ….
Q. You must be joking. Screw this…
A. I’ll think about it.
(wait)
Q. So about that reset.
A. Oh, it was already addressed, thanks for asking.
Q. No it wasn’t.
A. This is not on topic.
Q.

You forgot the week of proposals regarding compensation where we proposed about 100 ways that we could be compensated or at least acknowledged.

For me it was more:
Q: We’re losing our levels ? WTF?
A: Your losing your levels, how does that make you feel? Discuss.
Q: Why are we losing our levels?
A: Leaderboards
Q: Are you going to give us compensation for those lost levels?
A: What sort of compensation would you like? Discuss.
Q: Are you reading the last 25 pages of discussion?
A: ….
Q: BTW, Leaderboards won’t work. By what metric will you measure people?
A: ….
Q: We are up to almost 50 pages. Anyone reading these?
A: Moved thread to different forum
Q: You moved the thread, you must be reading it? any comments?
A: ….
Q: You now merged all the threads into one massive thread…any comments?
A: ….
Q: You asked us to discuss…anything come of our discussion?
A: ….
Q: Where are these leaderboards that meant you had to take our levels?
A: We’re gathering data.
Q. So about that compensation?
A. ….
Q. Guys are you even listening to us?
A. ….
Q: (New thread because old one is buried with Fractured forum): Any more thoughts on people who lost levels in fractured?
A: Delete thread
Q: (new thread) I’m still dissapointed that no one from Fractured ever spoke to us after all of these discussions?
A: Delete thread with PM saying Fractured discussions are no longer valid for living story forum
Q: (new thread) Izzy started to talk about his disspointments with Fractured in the live stream but got cut off. What was he going to say?
A: Delete thread with PM saying discussion is off-topic with Living story
Q. (In Character CDI) We want you to address this!
A. Confusion in terminology.
Q. Are you freaking serious??
A. ….
Q. You must be joking. Screw this…
A. I’ll think about it.
(wait)
Q. So about that reset.
A. Oh, it was already addressed, thanks for asking.
Q. No it wasn’t.
A. This is not on topic.

Moshari.8570:

-snip-

Yeah I forgot about that.

I remember how after reading this response , the entire thread went to constructive mode. People coming out with some great ideas and proposals. Nobody from Anet ever read anything. Nobody ever intended to do anything in the first place. This was also a thread where all those trolls started coming out. Telling us how we don’t deserve this, we don’t deserve that. And how they deserve their account bound level and how they deserve to get the skins on lower levels. And you know what? As much as it pains me to say, they’ve won. Anet was never on our side…

I’m just highly disappointed in the way it was all handled. Or more like it wasn’t handled at all. They want constructive ideas for the new CDI. We’ve been giving them ideas for months upon months. Why not read those instead? Nothing really changed. If you go through fractured forum alone, there is hundreds of ideas and way to fix everything that was broken and sadly still is.

If you break your car, you shouldn’t be thinking about where you gonna drive on your vacation. You should be thinking about how to get this car fixed first…

Oh, and dont forget how shortly after fractured, they announced that PVP was losing Glory rewards and WvW was losing rankings and those people went completely nuts about losing “hard earned rewards or rankings” and several of us posted on their forums pointing out that “this is the slippery slope we were talking about with Fractal levels being taken”.

Of course then immediately ANET gave them all a response saying that PvP and WvW were getting compensation for their lost ranks in the form of chests and unique titles…which were things we had proposed for Fractal levels lost.

Edited post to remove discussions of Moderation

My heart breaks a little more every time I see y’all say another thing I’ve repressed. It’s just so sad.

Moshari.8570:

Snip

You forgot about the first threads. The first few threads got immediatly deleted by moderation.

Then a few survived and got merged in one massive thread, here:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Fractal-personal-level-reset/
When that thread arrived at more than 600-800 posts (can’t remember), it was deleted, still without any answer from Anet.

Other threads were then opened, then merged and moved, finally going to this one:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Fractal-levels-above-30-to-be-reset/first
When this arrived at over 850 posts, it was locked.

Another post was open, which “survived” till the end of fractured (over 1000 posts):
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/fractured/Merged-Fractal-level-reset-is-equity-wiped-Discuss/first

Those were the 3 massive threads, with many little ones also on the side. And still with all those posts, not one answer other than: “The Developers are reading these posts and we are gathering feedback.”

Lilith Ajit.6173:

My heart breaks a little more every time I see y’all say another thing I’ve repressed. It’s just so sad.

Heh. Cheer up Lilith
Fractals are still there. Broken, but doable. Let me know if you want to hop on a run with me and my crew. I’ll add you to my friendslist when I get home.

Estriella Faerie.4029:

Moshari.8570:

Snip

You forgot about the first threads. The first few threads got immediatly deleted by moderation.

Then a few survived and got merged in one massive thread, here:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Fractal-personal-level-reset/
When that thread arrived at more than 600-800 posts (can’t remember), it was deleted, still without any answer from Anet.

Other threads were then opened, then merged and moved, finally going to this one:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Fractal-levels-above-30-to-be-reset/first
When this arrived at over 850 posts, it was locked.

Another post was open, which “survived” till the end of fractured (over 1000 posts):
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/fractured/Merged-Fractal-level-reset-is-equity-wiped-Discuss/first

And still with all those posts, not one answer other than: “The Developers are reading these posts and we are gathering feedback.”

Your right! I did forget about those also! Boy this brings back painful memories…

Romo.3709:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

My heart breaks a little more every time I see y’all say another thing I’ve repressed. It’s just so sad.

Heh. Cheer up Lilith
Fractals are still there. Broken, but doable. Let me know if you want to hop on a run with me and my crew. I’ll add you to my friendslist when I get home.

But gloom and doom! Gloom and doom!

And cool <3 no one I know runs them anymore. (Living story more profitable and all)

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Romo.3709:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

My heart breaks a little more every time I see y’all say another thing I’ve repressed. It’s just so sad.

Heh. Cheer up Lilith
Fractals are still there. Broken, but doable. Let me know if you want to hop on a run with me and my crew. I’ll add you to my friendslist when I get home.

But gloom and doom! Gloom and doom!

And cool <3 no one I know runs them anymore. (Living story more profitable and all)

Hey, invite me too! I have to warn you though I only have exotics, I never leveled back to 50, and I only have 5 AR per slot. I think with my legendary that’s 55 total? I don’t know.

Nevets Crimsonwing.5271:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Romo.3709:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

My heart breaks a little more every time I see y’all say another thing I’ve repressed. It’s just so sad.

Heh. Cheer up Lilith
Fractals are still there. Broken, but doable. Let me know if you want to hop on a run with me and my crew. I’ll add you to my friendslist when I get home.

But gloom and doom! Gloom and doom!

And cool <3 no one I know runs them anymore. (Living story more profitable and all)

Hey, invite me too! I have to warn you though I only have exotics, I never leveled back to 50, and I only have 5 AR per slot. I think with my legendary that’s 55 total? I don’t know.

But Nevets! It’s been months since I played with your sexy engi!

Fixing broken forum