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DO NOT change the dungeon owner system
And here we see the problems with changes.
Because I personally LOVE this change. I’ve had FAR more dungeon runs end because the dungeon “owner” DCed or rage quit (more than I can count) than end because I was kick scammed (never… and I main a ranger).
no opener system is good we need new kicking/party owner system
Hello Ryan,
thanks for this information.Any tips on how to get name of those trolls that kick you from your own instance quickly?
There usually isn’t time to write anything down or to make any screenshots.Thanks in advance!
There appears to be some nice debug messages for party join/leave that I’m going to see if I can turn into “LFG Messages” in the chat log which should make this easier…
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Dungeon-Instance-Owner-change-FTW
They are aware it is a issue and looking into possible solutions.
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no opener system is good we need new kicking/party owner system
if i start the party then it should be up to me who stays and who goes, il admit if i want to LEAVE the party then they should get their own instance but if i get kicked then yes the dungeon should close.
I think that at worst, it will be a neutral change.
For every malevolent player out there, there are half a dozen who do not understand, do not care, or don’t pay attention to dungeon ownership.
Nalhadia – Kaineng
no opener system is good we need new kicking/party owner system
if i start the party then it should be up to me who stays and who goes, il admit if i want to LEAVE the party then they should get their own instance but if i get kicked then yes the dungeon should close.
Sounds like you can’t decide what you want. You’re okay with leaving your dungeon-mates to fend for themselves in a dungeon, but don’t want them to continue playing if you’re kicked. Don’t forget that it takes only two people to kick someone; that leaves two others who may not really get a say in this. This update is for those two others who may not have wanted you kicked, but got kicked anyways.
Sure, there are plenty of griefers in PUG runs, but I’m not okay with being kicked from a dungeon simply because the owner D/C’ed or abandoned his teammates.
I think that at worst, it will be a neutral change.
For every malevolent player out there, there are half a dozen who do not understand, do not care, or don’t pay attention to dungeon ownership.
So basically, you don’t want to be held accountable for your sub-par skill in a group that may or may not be the cause of it wiping, but you’re perfectly okay kicking people who are “Meany heads” to you when they call you on your inability to play your roll properly to the group’s composition.
Sounds to me that if people like you are in the majority, this change to the dungeons is a very needed one on that level alone, to say nothing about the sheer number of technical hiccups this is finally going to fix.
Just because you started the party doesn’t mean you’re suddenly not required to live up to the standards people expect when running a dungeon, or are some how immune to being kicked because you want to play sub-optimally in a pick up group setting.
If this change bothers you that much, than just run it with your Guild.
no opener system is good we need new kicking/party owner system
if i start the party then it should be up to me who stays and who goes, il admit if i want to LEAVE the party then they should get their own instance but if i get kicked then yes the dungeon should close.
Sounds like you can’t decide what you want. You’re okay with leaving your dungeon-mates to fend for themselves in a dungeon, but don’t want them to continue playing if you’re kicked. Don’t forget that it takes only two people to kick someone; that leaves two others who may not really get a say in this. This update is for those two others who may not have wanted you kicked, but got kicked anyways.
Sure, there are plenty of griefers in PUG runs, but I’m not okay with being kicked from a dungeon simply because the owner D/C’ed or abandoned his teammates.
i know exactly what i want, i never leave anyway and its TOO EASY to get kicked in the elitist dungeon community, this update will just isolate even more people from dungeons and give thos pugs more power that htey dont deserve, this is a far bigger problem than the opener leaving as we would assume the person who put hte effort in to form a party would be the most dedicated
I for one will like the new system. I have many times had the dungeon owner get DC’d or rage quit and half way though and had to restart. I have also a few times accidentally kicked the dungeon owner because we didn’t know that he was the host. He was so bad and not following directions we decided to kick him. But then we all get kicked, this will be a nice change so if someone is really bad we can continue.
It will also be nice since some of the people I play with cant always finish a dungeon so it wont matter who starts it, if the owner needs to leave we can continue with 4 man or find a 5th again.
I have also run into the situation where on an alt I want to run a dungeon with my guild or friends and I am the only one who has it unlocked so I have to use my main instead of an alt, this way I can start it with my main then switch to an alt and not have to worry about kicking everyone.
I think that at worst, it will be a neutral change.
For every malevolent player out there, there are half a dozen who do not understand, do not care, or don’t pay attention to dungeon ownership.
So basically, you don’t want to be held accountable for your sub-par skill in a group that may or may not be the cause of it wiping, but you’re perfectly okay kicking people who are “Meany heads” to you when they call you on your inability to play your roll properly to the group’s composition.
Sounds to me that if people like you are in the majority, this change to the dungeons is a very needed one on that level alone, to say nothing about the sheer number of technical hiccups this is finally going to fix.
Just because you started the party doesn’t mean you’re suddenly not required to live up to the standards people expect when running a dungeon, or are some how immune to being kicked because you want to play sub-optimally in a pick up group setting.
If this change bothers you that much, than just run it with your Guild.
wow you are exactly why this is a bad update
first off being polite and respectful and friendly is more important than doing well, this is a GAME we are here to have fun, besides im not bad , not bad at all, i have acheived lv 50 fractals and do them regularly with no complaint, but i DO NOT zerk, i do not pug and i do things my own way.
and while it is their oppinion that someone is sub par (and this may or may not be true but it is irrelivent) you do not get to go to a party in real life and tell the owner of the house you dont like the music so you are taking over just because you brought more friends, so yea starting the party DOES mean EXACTLY that, my party, my rules, dont like it? find a new one
and dont tell any1 to run it with just their guild, guilds are not that important in this game and some people dont even have one, while i do have a guild its a very small pool of recruitment and i bet less than 10 ppl are geared for 50 fractals and of those 10 how many r up at 4am when i like to do them? so no thats not a solution
Sorry, but this a good change.
There were many times the dungeon owner would leave because they didn’t know that it kicks everyone out, or they would disconnect. This will no longer happen which is good.
A better implementation, would’ve been to give the person who formed the group, leader status, as it is in almost every MMO.
Yes, there will always be griefers and they will always kick for being rude or elitist, or whatever, but this has always been there. The upcoming change will make it so that one person can’t disband the group entirely. Dungeon starters aren’t always saints either, and this change will take away their power to hold other people hostage.
As for dungeon sellers, i hope they become extinct. Selling dungeons is ridiculous and cheapens the experience of dungeons. I don’t really blame them though, because it’s the overall design of dungeons that allows it, but i won’t miss them if this prevents them from selling them.
no opener system is good we need new kicking/party owner system
if i start the party then it should be up to me who stays and who goes, il admit if i want to LEAVE the party then they should get their own instance but if i get kicked then yes the dungeon should close.
Sounds like you can’t decide what you want. You’re okay with leaving your dungeon-mates to fend for themselves in a dungeon, but don’t want them to continue playing if you’re kicked. Don’t forget that it takes only two people to kick someone; that leaves two others who may not really get a say in this. This update is for those two others who may not have wanted you kicked, but got kicked anyways.
Sure, there are plenty of griefers in PUG runs, but I’m not okay with being kicked from a dungeon simply because the owner D/C’ed or abandoned his teammates.
i know exactly what i want, i never leave anyway and its TOO EASY to get kicked in the elitist dungeon community, this update will just isolate even more people from dungeons and give thos pugs more power that htey dont deserve, this is a far bigger problem than the opener leaving as we would assume the person who put hte effort in to form a party would be the most dedicated
You seem to be forgetting that not everyone who runs dungeons are elitist speed-runners dedicated to, well… dungeons. I may not run dungeons regularly, but I do enjoy teaming up with guildmates and friends to clear some paths. It’s tedious to have to restart an instance simply because the dungeon owner “left” for one reason or another.
Besides, the dungeon owner is ONLY the person who initiates the dungeon run. They do not have to do a thing to recruit party members, even if many do. They could be the least dedicated person in the party, but if they start the dungeon, they have all the power. Not cool.
This update definitely takes things in the right direction, allowing players to keep their progress if the dungeon owner leaves/DC’s/gets kicked/whatever.
no opener system is good we need new kicking/party owner system
if i start the party then it should be up to me who stays and who goes, il admit if i want to LEAVE the party then they should get their own instance but if i get kicked then yes the dungeon should close.
Sounds like you can’t decide what you want. You’re okay with leaving your dungeon-mates to fend for themselves in a dungeon, but don’t want them to continue playing if you’re kicked. Don’t forget that it takes only two people to kick someone; that leaves two others who may not really get a say in this. This update is for those two others who may not have wanted you kicked, but got kicked anyways.
Sure, there are plenty of griefers in PUG runs, but I’m not okay with being kicked from a dungeon simply because the owner D/C’ed or abandoned his teammates.
i know exactly what i want, i never leave anyway and its TOO EASY to get kicked in the elitist dungeon community, this update will just isolate even more people from dungeons and give thos pugs more power that htey dont deserve, this is a far bigger problem than the opener leaving as we would assume the person who put hte effort in to form a party would be the most dedicated
You seem to be forgetting that not everyone who runs dungeons are elitist speed-runners dedicated to, well… dungeons. I may not run dungeons regularly, but I do enjoy teaming up with guildmates and friends to clear some paths. It’s tedious to have to restart an instance simply because the dungeon owner “left” for one reason or another.
Besides, the dungeon owner is ONLY the person who initiates the dungeon run. They do not have to do a thing to recruit party members, even if many do. They could be the least dedicated person in the party, but if they start the dungeon, they have all the power. Not cool.
This update definitely takes things in the right direction, allowing players to keep their progress if the dungeon owner leaves/DC’s/gets kicked/whatever.
starting the party is more work and requires more time than any1 else and starting the dungeon means that you can’t leave while every1 else mills around in lions arch or even does a boss while they wait for the party to fill, so it is a bigger commitment and does take dedication, if you need proof of that just look how fast the 5th person always shows up in a fractal at 4 in the morning, the 2nd person takes 30 minutes sometimes but the 5th person is always there seconds after the party hits 4 ppl, why? because they DONT WANT TO MAKE THE COMMITMENT OF WAITING IN A PARTY!!!!
i can accept that the owner of D/cing should not close the dungeon, but we can do that WITHOUT changing the system simply by making the dungeon last aslong as the original owner isnt kicked, nobody deserves to hijack my party, not if they think im bad, not if they dont like me, not if they think im slow because it is MY party and it is based exclusivley off of MY standards. if they dont like it they can make THEIR party and base it off of THEIR standards.
i do not pug and i do things my own way.
You don’t PUG and yet you are concerned about getting kicked out of groups when using the LFG system. Am I missing something?
I find your hostility in this thread ironic, considering your first sentence in your original post. Just shows there are jerks in every aspect of the game. I use the LFG tool to do 4-5 dungeons a day usually, and not once have I ever seen a person get yelled at/kicked for not running “metas”, except for in cases where the LFG clearly stated the “ping gear, know skips” stuff. I do see people getting kicked when they refuse to do things like stand in a brazier in CoF and not telling us that it’s their first time there, despite us trying to explain it. IMO, this is an okay kick. This isn’t “not following the meta”, this is just bad playing and you’ll get kicked for it.
And nothing is stopping you from making our own LFG with “no skips, casual, play how you want” groups. Trust me, the speed clearing people don’t want to play with you and will avoid that group. There will be plenty of people interested in that, seeing as how a “I hate zerk” thread opens up on this forum every 17 minutes.
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i do not pug and i do things my own way.
You don’t PUG and yet you are concerned about getting kicked out of groups when using the LFG system. Am I missing something?
I find your hostility in this thread ironic, considering your first sentence in your original post. Just shows there are jerks in every aspect of the game. I use the LFG tool to do 4-5 dungeons a day usually, and not once have I ever seen a person get yelled at/kicked for not running “metas”, except for in cases where the LFG clearly stated the “ping gear, know skips” stuff. I do see people getting kicked when they refuse to do things like stand in a brazier in CoF and not telling us that it’s their first time there, despite us trying to explain it. IMO, this is an okay kick. This isn’t “not following the meta”, this is just bad playing and you’ll get kicked for it.
And nothing is stopping you from making our own LFG with “no skips, casual, play how you want” groups. Trust me, the speed clearing people don’t want to play with you and will avoid that group. There will be plenty of people interested in that, seeing as how a “I hate zerk” thread opens up on this forum every 17 minutes.
1, u just equated the lfg system with those pugs, thats wrong
2. i might choose not sometimes say “casual” run in my description, but it is still not enough to stop someone who doesnt know they are a meta pug from coming into a party and barking at people for not doing things the “right” way and guess what? sometimes they bring a friend….we need protection from this
This needed to be changed. Person who walked into the dungeon leaves after a long run in Arah or Fractals? Everyone gets kicked.
No other MMO does that – or should do that.
The system can be revamped, but the dungeon “owner” system was flawed and I’m glad to see it go.
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the dungeon community is the most hostile, most unfriendly, most eager to kick community in this game, and their is almost no fixing that. one of the only ways to be safe in a long run is to be the opener. this update will only give dungeon elitists more power to kick the person WHO STARTED THE PARTY. this update is just going to make them more hostile and aggressive and now theirs no protection from that.
its also a problem for dungeon sellers who can now be kicked by the buyer although i dont really like runners anyways.
i dont wana play the meta, i dont always wana roll swamp i dont wana keep a set of full zerker armor to do the catacombs and i dont wana rush past every enemy in the game just to quickly do the boss chest. and now their is no way for me to safely join a dungeon. you have taken away one of the only things i still do in this game anet
I started a group yesterday and someone was already in the dungeon. He was not the party leader but when he left, we all got kicked. That is flawed. No opinion necessary, that is flawed design.
If you don’t want to play the beta, roll swamp, or yada yada, don’t. I make groups all the time and nobody EVER kittenes at me when I don’t roll swamp in fractals, or say “Let’s kill mobs” instead of skipping.
Hell, even put it in your lfg “LFG AC P1 no skipping” and it will fill – I promise you.
But to request not to change the current system is like being served a kitten at a 5 star restaurant and turning the owner down when he offers you a filet.
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no opener system is good we need new kicking/party owner system
if i start the party then it should be up to me who stays and who goes, il admit if i want to LEAVE the party then they should get their own instance but if i get kicked then yes the dungeon should close.
Sounds like you can’t decide what you want. You’re okay with leaving your dungeon-mates to fend for themselves in a dungeon, but don’t want them to continue playing if you’re kicked. Don’t forget that it takes only two people to kick someone; that leaves two others who may not really get a say in this. This update is for those two others who may not have wanted you kicked, but got kicked anyways.
Sure, there are plenty of griefers in PUG runs, but I’m not okay with being kicked from a dungeon simply because the owner D/C’ed or abandoned his teammates.
i know exactly what i want, i never leave anyway and its TOO EASY to get kicked in the elitist dungeon community, this update will just isolate even more people from dungeons and give thos pugs more power that htey dont deserve, this is a far bigger problem than the opener leaving as we would assume the person who put hte effort in to form a party would be the most dedicated
You seem to be forgetting that not everyone who runs dungeons are elitist speed-runners dedicated to, well… dungeons. I may not run dungeons regularly, but I do enjoy teaming up with guildmates and friends to clear some paths. It’s tedious to have to restart an instance simply because the dungeon owner “left” for one reason or another.
Besides, the dungeon owner is ONLY the person who initiates the dungeon run. They do not have to do a thing to recruit party members, even if many do. They could be the least dedicated person in the party, but if they start the dungeon, they have all the power. Not cool.
This update definitely takes things in the right direction, allowing players to keep their progress if the dungeon owner leaves/DC’s/gets kicked/whatever.
starting the party is more work and requires more time than any1 else and starting the dungeon means that you can’t leave while every1 else mills around in lions arch or even does a boss while they wait for the party to fill, so it is a bigger commitment and does take dedication, if you need proof of that just look how fast the 5th person always shows up in a fractal at 4 in the morning, the 2nd person takes 30 minutes sometimes but the 5th person is always there seconds after the party hits 4 ppl, why? because they DONT WANT TO MAKE THE COMMITMENT OF WAITING IN A PARTY!!!!
i can accept that the owner of D/cing should not close the dungeon, but we can do that WITHOUT changing the system simply by making the dungeon last aslong as the original owner isnt kicked, nobody deserves to hijack my party, not if they think im bad, not if they dont like me, not if they think im slow because it is MY party and it is based exclusivley off of MY standards. if they dont like it they can make THEIR party and base it off of THEIR standards.
so much dedication , iam looking for party members and somebody only join my party and run through portal to open dung , such a hard work . We need party leader who can kick , inv etc not dung opener who becomes god doing nothing . party leader should be changed after 10 mins of beeing offline then next person get it and party keep going . Right now i see many idiots who only open dung and then start lfg but they are noobs as hell and you cant kick them because they opened so you have to suffer because you dont want to waste 50% of dung . there are some idiots who starts blaming people without any reason but mostly on my speedruns parties when somebody is blamed it was his/her fault .
It’s annoying to have to screenshot names or add them to my Friends temporarily. I’d like to be told who kicked me, makes reporting a hell of a lot easier.
This needed to be changed. Person who walked into the dungeon leaves after a long run in Arah or Fractals? Everyone gets kicked.
No other MMO does that – or should do that.
The system can be revamped, but the dungeon “owner” system was flawed and I’m glad to see it go.
the solution is to make the dungeon persist after the owner has left but NOT if the owner is kicked, thats all
no opener system is good we need new kicking/party owner system
if i start the party then it should be up to me who stays and who goes, il admit if i want to LEAVE the party then they should get their own instance but if i get kicked then yes the dungeon should close.
Sounds like you can’t decide what you want. You’re okay with leaving your dungeon-mates to fend for themselves in a dungeon, but don’t want them to continue playing if you’re kicked. Don’t forget that it takes only two people to kick someone; that leaves two others who may not really get a say in this. This update is for those two others who may not have wanted you kicked, but got kicked anyways.
Sure, there are plenty of griefers in PUG runs, but I’m not okay with being kicked from a dungeon simply because the owner D/C’ed or abandoned his teammates.
i know exactly what i want, i never leave anyway and its TOO EASY to get kicked in the elitist dungeon community, this update will just isolate even more people from dungeons and give thos pugs more power that htey dont deserve, this is a far bigger problem than the opener leaving as we would assume the person who put hte effort in to form a party would be the most dedicated
You seem to be forgetting that not everyone who runs dungeons are elitist speed-runners dedicated to, well… dungeons. I may not run dungeons regularly, but I do enjoy teaming up with guildmates and friends to clear some paths. It’s tedious to have to restart an instance simply because the dungeon owner “left” for one reason or another.
Besides, the dungeon owner is ONLY the person who initiates the dungeon run. They do not have to do a thing to recruit party members, even if many do. They could be the least dedicated person in the party, but if they start the dungeon, they have all the power. Not cool.
This update definitely takes things in the right direction, allowing players to keep their progress if the dungeon owner leaves/DC’s/gets kicked/whatever.
starting the party is more work and requires more time than any1 else and starting the dungeon means that you can’t leave while every1 else mills around in lions arch or even does a boss while they wait for the party to fill, so it is a bigger commitment and does take dedication, if you need proof of that just look how fast the 5th person always shows up in a fractal at 4 in the morning, the 2nd person takes 30 minutes sometimes but the 5th person is always there seconds after the party hits 4 ppl, why? because they DONT WANT TO MAKE THE COMMITMENT OF WAITING IN A PARTY!!!!
i can accept that the owner of D/cing should not close the dungeon, but we can do that WITHOUT changing the system simply by making the dungeon last aslong as the original owner isnt kicked, nobody deserves to hijack my party, not if they think im bad, not if they dont like me, not if they think im slow because it is MY party and it is based exclusivley off of MY standards. if they dont like it they can make THEIR party and base it off of THEIR standards.
so much dedication , iam looking for party members and somebody only join my party and run through portal to open dung , such a hard work . We need party leader who can kick , inv etc not dung opener who becomes god doing nothing . party leader should be changed after 10 mins of beeing offline then next person get it and party keep going . Right now i see many idiots who only open dung and then start lfg but they are noobs as hell and you cant kick them because they opened so you have to suffer because you dont want to waste 50% of dung . there are some idiots who starts blaming people without any reason but mostly on my speedruns parties when somebody is blamed it was his/her fault .
i agree with you about the going offline thing if the owner leaves then yes ownershp should change
but about “fault” you are wrong, this is a matter of perspective and it does not matter, you do not come into my house and tell me how to do things and you do not come into my party and order me around either, if im not good enough and im the one who started the party, then you are overqualified for the party, and that is YOUR fault.
I’d say farmers are more hostile to those that inadvertently mess with their farming spot.
This just sounds to me like you are joining groups that have requirements you don’t fit. If making your own lfg is too much trouble, then don’t complain about being kicked from groups you don’t belong in.
1, u just equated the lfg system with those pugs, thats wrong
2. i might choose not sometimes say “casual” run in my description, but it is still not enough to stop someone who doesnt know they are a meta pug from coming into a party and barking at people for not doing things the “right” way and guess what? sometimes they bring a friend….we need protection from this
Did you just say that lfg (looking for group) and pugs (pick up group) are entirely different? Because they look pretty similar to me.
You also said that you do fractal runs at 4am. When the vast majority of players are asleep (depending on what your time zone is). Of course it’s going to take a long time to find people for your party. And who wants to wait around? When I use the LFG tool (because, you know, it’s there for a reason), my party fills up pretty fast, regardless of what time of day it is. Perhaps you just have bad luck?
the solution is to make the dungeon persist after the owner has left but NOT if the owner is kicked, thats all
Assuming that the dungeon owner is a god and should be immune to kicks, despite possibly being a griefer him/herself? Dungeon owners are players too, and can be trolls, so why keep their immunity? Especially if the other players actually WANT to keep running the dungeon. The owner leaves to troll, and the players are back to square one. It’s not a fun time for anyone (except for the troll).
i agree with you about the going offline thing if the owner leaves then yes ownershp should change
but about “fault” you are wrong, this is a matter of perspective and it does not matter, you do not come into my house and tell me how to do things and you do not come into my party and order me around either, if im not good enough and im the one who started the party, then you are overqualified for the party, and that is YOUR fault.
There’s a reason why this is a game and not real life. The dungeon is not your living space, you do not own it (despite having the title of dungeon owner simply because you started the instance), and thus- … I keep reading that you’re the one starting the party. So… don’t start the party, be a part of someone else’s, and see if that changes.
I’d say farmers are more hostile to those that inadvertently mess with their farming spot.
This just sounds to me like you are joining groups that have requirements you don’t fit. If making your own lfg is too much trouble, then don’t complain about being kicked from groups you don’t belong in.
uhhh r u saying the person who MADE the group, joined a group they were not qualified for?
If you don’t want to be kicked then don’t join speed runs with your sup-par build and your lack of experience.
Make your own group and specify you want a slow inexperienced casual run.
Awesome change love it, should have been here from the very start. Want to play casually without skiping write it in party description i guarantee you all the “evil” skilled players will stay as far away from you as possible.
1, u just equated the lfg system with those pugs, thats wrong
2. i might choose not sometimes say “casual” run in my description, but it is still not enough to stop someone who doesnt know they are a meta pug from coming into a party and barking at people for not doing things the “right” way and guess what? sometimes they bring a friend….we need protection from this
Did you just say that lfg (looking for group) and pugs (pick up group) are entirely different? Because they look pretty similar to me.
You also said that you do fractal runs at 4am. When the vast majority of players are asleep (depending on what your time zone is). Of course it’s going to take a long time to find people for your party. And who wants to wait around? When I use the LFG tool (because, you know, it’s there for a reason), my party fills up pretty fast, regardless of what time of day it is. Perhaps you just have bad luck?
the solution is to make the dungeon persist after the owner has left but NOT if the owner is kicked, thats all
Assuming that the dungeon owner is a god and should be immune to kicks, despite possibly being a griefer him/herself? Dungeon owners are players too, and can be trolls, so why keep their immunity? Especially if the other players actually WANT to keep running the dungeon. The owner leaves to troll, and the players are back to square one. It’s not a fun time for anyone (except for the troll).
i agree with you about the going offline thing if the owner leaves then yes ownershp should change
but about “fault” you are wrong, this is a matter of perspective and it does not matter, you do not come into my house and tell me how to do things and you do not come into my party and order me around either, if im not good enough and im the one who started the party, then you are overqualified for the party, and that is YOUR fault.
There’s a reason why this is a game and not real life. The dungeon is not your living space, you do not own it (despite having the title of dungeon owner simply because you started the instance), and thus- … I keep reading that you’re the one starting the party. So… don’t start the party, be a part of someone else’s, and see if that changes.
i have no idea why your comparing the lfg system to being a meta sheep, every1 uses the lfg system it says NOTHING about you..
and i already said in my soluiton that if the owner does leave then yes, they can be kicked, thats fine, so that solves your trolling concerns right there.
but they absolutly do desrve to be immune to kicks, its their party. if you dont like it find a new one, and if they troll or greif you report them but few dungeon owners will have any way to troll or greif you if we make the leaving/going offline change
If you don’t want to be kicked then don’t join speed runs with your sup-par build and your lack of experience.
Make your own group and specify you want a slow inexperienced casual run.
i love the jerks who instantly assume im joining parties that im unqualified for when i clearly said these concerns are about being the opener
This fixed a problem. First player in “owned” the instance and for whatever reason leaves/drops, instance over.
It’s an entirely separate issue as to if the organizer should be kick proof or if kick should require a majority.
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If you don’t want to be kicked then don’t join speed runs with your sup-par build and your lack of experience.
Make your own group and specify you want a slow inexperienced casual run.
i love the jerks who instantly assume im joining parties that im unqualified for when i clearly said these concerns are about being the opener
Well he’s being passive aggressive about how he wants to dungeons compared to how others do them. Just ignore him, honestly.
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If you don’t want to be kicked then don’t join speed runs with your sup-par build and your lack of experience.
Make your own group and specify you want a slow inexperienced casual run.
lol way to not make yourself sound like a total knob, champ.
indeed, he thinks i should have to defend myself from his kind before the party even begins? sheesh
If you don’t want to be kicked then don’t join speed runs with your sup-par build and your lack of experience.
Make your own group and specify you want a slow inexperienced casual run.
i love the jerks who instantly assume im joining parties that im unqualified for when i clearly said these concerns are about being the opener
Well he’s being passive aggressive about how he wants to dungeons compared to how others do them. Just ignore him, honestly.
we would LOVE to ignore him but to continue doing that we need KICK IMMUNITY
I’d say farmers are more hostile to those that inadvertently mess with their farming spot.
This just sounds to me like you are joining groups that have requirements you don’t fit. If making your own lfg is too much trouble, then don’t complain about being kicked from groups you don’t belong in.
uhhh r u saying the person who MADE the group, joined a group they were not qualified for?
Uhhh, you edited your post after I replied to say you were the one opening the group. Which if people are joining your groups and changing the description from what it was originally, thats not right. But you only changed it after people got on you about joining groups you don’t belong in. Seems, fishy to me…
i have no idea why your comparing the lfg system to being a meta sheep, every1 uses the lfg system it says NOTHING about you..
and i already said in my soluiton that if the owner does leave then yes, they can be kicked, thats fine, so that solves your trolling concerns right there.
but they absolutly do desrve to be immune to kicks, its their party. if you dont like it find a new one, and if they troll or greif you report them but few dungeon owners will have any way to troll or greif you if we make the leaving/going offline change
In the current build (not the feature patch), if the owner leaves, the party is forced out of the instance. Even if the owner gets kicked after that, the other members have to start over. The new patch allows the players to continue through the dungeon, even if the owner leaves or gets kicked. Which is what will happen, and what you essentially just said would be the “solution”, so I’m not seeing where you’re going with this…
There’s also no dedicated party leader (unless you’re in tPvP, but even then it’s just for a name), so even if you start the party, you’re still another player. You also have the right to leave the party and find a new one if you don’t like it, even if you started the party yourself. If you can’t find a party to dungeon with, then try again another time. So, again, I’m not seeing where you’re going with this.
I don’t understand where all the complaints about kicking are coming from. I’ve been playing for a year and a half (3,900 hours play time I think?) and have done many dungeon runs (including speed runs) with pugs and have only been kicked twice before, once as an engi and another time as a thief (because 4 warriors for CoF p1 isn’t enough apparently) both before even entering the dungeon. The new system is fine,
do you know how disappointing it is to get all the way to Mai Trin on a level 19 fractal only for the host to rage quit because we wiped -one- time? If you get kicked a lot you might want to consider what you as a player can do differently next time.
I’m only here because sometimes I just like to watch things burn.
I’d say farmers are more hostile to those that inadvertently mess with their farming spot.
This just sounds to me like you are joining groups that have requirements you don’t fit. If making your own lfg is too much trouble, then don’t complain about being kicked from groups you don’t belong in.
uhhh r u saying the person who MADE the group, joined a group they were not qualified for?
Uhhh, you edited your post after I replied to say you were the one opening the group. Which if people are joining your groups and changing the description from what it was originally, thats not right. But you only changed it after people got on you about joining groups you don’t belong in. Seems, fishy to me…
u must be delusional the only post i edited was my OP and i only added the solution line to that……
I don’t understand where all the complaints about kicking are coming from. I’ve been playing for a year and a half (3,900 hours play time I think?) and have done many dungeon runs (including speed runs) with pugs and have only been kicked twice before, once as an engi and another time as a thief (because 4 warriors for CoF p1 isn’t enough apparently) both before even entering the dungeon. The new system is fine,
do you know how disappointing it is to get all the way to Mai Trin on a level 19 fractal only for the host to rage quit because we wiped -one- time? If you get kicked a lot you might want to consider what you as a player can do differently next time.
u kinda just answered your own question about the kick system with thsoe 2 experiences of yours but lets broaden the question for a second
what if some people in the group want to do the mai glitch and some dont? some might wana kick over that, what if their is another argument in the group? u have no right to hijack the party from the opener over this no matter what, EVER
i have no idea why your comparing the lfg system to being a meta sheep, every1 uses the lfg system it says NOTHING about you..
and i already said in my soluiton that if the owner does leave then yes, they can be kicked, thats fine, so that solves your trolling concerns right there.
but they absolutly do desrve to be immune to kicks, its their party. if you dont like it find a new one, and if they troll or greif you report them but few dungeon owners will have any way to troll or greif you if we make the leaving/going offline change
In the current build (not the feature patch), if the owner leaves, the party is forced out of the instance. Even if the owner gets kicked after that, the other members have to start over. The new patch allows the players to continue through the dungeon, even if the owner leaves or gets kicked. Which is what will happen, and what you essentially just said would be the “solution”, so I’m not seeing where you’re going with this…
There’s also no dedicated party leader (unless you’re in tPvP, but even then it’s just for a name), so even if you start the party, you’re still another player. You also have the right to leave the party and find a new one if you don’t like it, even if you started the party yourself. If you can’t find a party to dungeon with, then try again another time. So, again, I’m not seeing where you’re going with this.
did you just intentionaly ignore the part of my solution where the party leader getting kicked still closes the instance? u did didnt you….the change in my version is that the leader (or opener if you really insist) leaving will not close the dungeon but kicking the opener will
No system will ever be flawless, but personally I love the new system. I’m really tired of openers leaving the dungeon (DC, spite, ragequit, repairs etc…) and kicking everyone else.
I had a guy in fractals refuse to ready up unless we all danced. nobody in the party had time for that so we kicked him… but it was him that opened and we were all returned to LA.
4 other people do not deserve to be at the mercy of one stupid person. 2 vote kick is already bad enough.
Bristleback can’t hit anything? Let’s fix the HP bug instead.
No system will ever be flawless, but personally I love the new system. I’m really tired of openers leaving the dungeon (DC, spite, ragequit, repairs etc…) and kicking everyone else.
I had a guy in fractals refuse to ready up unless we all danced. nobody in the party had time for that so we kicked him… but it was him that opened and we were all returned to LA.
4 other people do not deserve to be at the mercy of one stupid person. 2 vote kick is already bad enough.
This right here is reason enough to support this change. I’m glad people won’t be able to do that anymore.
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I don’t understand where all the complaints about kicking are coming from. I’ve been playing for a year and a half (3,900 hours play time I think?) and have done many dungeon runs (including speed runs) with pugs and have only been kicked twice before, once as an engi and another time as a thief (because 4 warriors for CoF p1 isn’t enough apparently) both before even entering the dungeon. The new system is fine,
do you know how disappointing it is to get all the way to Mai Trin on a level 19 fractal only for the host to rage quit because we wiped -one- time? If you get kicked a lot you might want to consider what you as a player can do differently next time.u kinda just answered your own question about the kick system with thsoe 2 experiences of yours but lets broaden the question for a second
what if some people in the group want to do the mai glitch and some dont? some might wana kick over that, what if their is another argument in the group? u have no right to hijack the party from the opener over this no matter what, EVER
Even if the owner is someone who afk’s mid-dungeon to make dinner, something he knew he would have to do in advance?
Also, if you notice my two experiences are before entering the dungeon, so it’s not like I had my progress erased. On top of that, it is 2 times out of several hundred.. not often enough to be a problem. Not nearly enough to complain about.
I’m only here because sometimes I just like to watch things burn.
No system will ever be flawless, but personally I love the new system. I’m really tired of openers leaving the dungeon (DC, spite, ragequit, repairs etc…) and kicking everyone else.
I had a guy in fractals refuse to ready up unless we all danced. nobody in the party had time for that so we kicked him… but it was him that opened and we were all returned to LA.
4 other people do not deserve to be at the mercy of one stupid person. 2 vote kick is already bad enough.
thats an unusual circomstance but if you had known he was the opener i guess u wuda shut up and danced huh? besides there were probably signs he was immature before that and you cuda left long ago.
anyway if 1 person starts a party then yes you do deserve to be at that person’s mercy. 99% of the time ul b fine ESPECIALLY if we implement my leaver solution
No system will ever be flawless, but personally I love the new system. I’m really tired of openers leaving the dungeon (DC, spite, ragequit, repairs etc…) and kicking everyone else.
I had a guy in fractals refuse to ready up unless we all danced. nobody in the party had time for that so we kicked him… but it was him that opened and we were all returned to LA.
4 other people do not deserve to be at the mercy of one stupid person. 2 vote kick is already bad enough.
thats an unusual circomstance but if you had known he was the opener i guess u wuda shut up and danced huh? besides there were probably signs he was immature before that and you cuda left long ago.
anyway if 1 person starts a party then yes you do deserve to be at that person’s mercy. 99% of the time ul b fine ESPECIALLY if we implement my leaver solution
Dude I’m actually done replying to you after this, but try and at least understand what I am about to say.
The person who FORMS the group is not always the person to ENTER THE DUNGEON. Dungeon owner =/= party leader. That’s the problem with this.
Also, the fact that you really see no flaw in 4 people getting kicked cause 1 person leaves or gets kicked is just….
if you had known he was the opener i guess u wuda shut up and danced huh? besides there were probably signs he was immature before that and you cuda left long ago.
Yeeeah… not even gonna touch that one.
anyway if 1 person starts a party then yes you do deserve to be at that person’s mercy. 99% of the time ul b fine ESPECIALLY if we implement my leaver solution
I’ve lost some faith in ArenaNet over the years, but I have enough faith to realize that this will never happen. And thank all that’s holy for that.
P.S. food for thought in my last reply to you; browsers come with a built-in spellchecker.
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I don’t understand where all the complaints about kicking are coming from. I’ve been playing for a year and a half (3,900 hours play time I think?) and have done many dungeon runs (including speed runs) with pugs and have only been kicked twice before, once as an engi and another time as a thief (because 4 warriors for CoF p1 isn’t enough apparently) both before even entering the dungeon. The new system is fine,
do you know how disappointing it is to get all the way to Mai Trin on a level 19 fractal only for the host to rage quit because we wiped -one- time? If you get kicked a lot you might want to consider what you as a player can do differently next time.u kinda just answered your own question about the kick system with thsoe 2 experiences of yours but lets broaden the question for a second
what if some people in the group want to do the mai glitch and some dont? some might wana kick over that, what if their is another argument in the group? u have no right to hijack the party from the opener over this no matter what, EVER
Even if the owner is someone who afk’s mid-dungeon to make dinner, something he knew he would have to do in advance?
Also, if you notice my two experiences are before entering the dungeon, so it’s not like I had my progress erased. On top of that, it is 2 times out of several hundred.. not often enough to be a problem. Not nearly enough to complain about.
if the dungeon owner wants to have a slow relaxed run where he can take a break and make something to eat then thats his choice he created the party. im not saying its polite and i certainly wudnt do that but its still his party and you can still leave. if your heavily invested and dont want to leave just wait, if you dont have time to wait then you also didnt plan ahead now did you?
but these examples are becoming increasingly niche and represent less than 1 in a thousand chances and i think most of us know that
i have no idea why your comparing the lfg system to being a meta sheep, every1 uses the lfg system it says NOTHING about you..
and i already said in my soluiton that if the owner does leave then yes, they can be kicked, thats fine, so that solves your trolling concerns right there.
but they absolutly do desrve to be immune to kicks, its their party. if you dont like it find a new one, and if they troll or greif you report them but few dungeon owners will have any way to troll or greif you if we make the leaving/going offline change
In the current build (not the feature patch), if the owner leaves, the party is forced out of the instance. Even if the owner gets kicked after that, the other members have to start over. The new patch allows the players to continue through the dungeon, even if the owner leaves or gets kicked. Which is what will happen, and what you essentially just said would be the “solution”, so I’m not seeing where you’re going with this…
There’s also no dedicated party leader (unless you’re in tPvP, but even then it’s just for a name), so even if you start the party, you’re still another player. You also have the right to leave the party and find a new one if you don’t like it, even if you started the party yourself. If you can’t find a party to dungeon with, then try again another time. So, again, I’m not seeing where you’re going with this.
did you just intentionaly ignore the part of my solution where the party leader getting kicked still closes the instance? u did didnt you….the change in my version is that the leader (or opener if you really insist) leaving will not close the dungeon but kicking the opener will
Um, no, I read your solution. Which is almost identical to the ANet change, except you want everyone to suffer for kicking the opener. Even if all they did was open the instance. The issue that ANet is addressing is simply to preserve the instance, no matter who leaves/gets kicked/DC’s.
thats an unusual circomstance but if you had known he was the opener i guess u wuda shut up and danced huh? besides there were probably signs he was immature before that and you cuda left long ago.
anyway if 1 person starts a party then yes you do deserve to be at that person’s mercy. 99% of the time ul b fine ESPECIALLY if we implement my leaver solution
Again, the change is to prevent immature trolls from doing this to people who actually want to run dungeons. If 1 person starts the party, but another member invites the other players, is the party starter still “God”? That’s not what ANet wants, and that seems to be what the vast majority of people in this thread believe too. Your “leaver solution”, as you call it, is ANet’s solution. If you get kicked as the “owner”, then find another party who won’t kick you. Griefers will grief, and life will move on.
No system will ever be flawless, but personally I love the new system. I’m really tired of openers leaving the dungeon (DC, spite, ragequit, repairs etc…) and kicking everyone else.
I had a guy in fractals refuse to ready up unless we all danced. nobody in the party had time for that so we kicked him… but it was him that opened and we were all returned to LA.
4 other people do not deserve to be at the mercy of one stupid person. 2 vote kick is already bad enough.
thats an unusual circomstance but if you had known he was the opener i guess u wuda shut up and danced huh? besides there were probably signs he was immature before that and you cuda left long ago.
anyway if 1 person starts a party then yes you do deserve to be at that person’s mercy. 99% of the time ul b fine ESPECIALLY if we implement my leaver solution
Dude I’m actually done replying to you after this, but try and at least understand what I am about to say.
The person who FORMS the group is not always the person to ENTER THE DUNGEON. Dungeon owner =/= party leader. That’s the problem with this.
Also, the fact that you really see no flaw in 4 people getting kicked cause 1 person leaves or gets kicked is just….
P.S. food for thought in my last reply to you; browsers come with a built-in spellchecker.
im ignoring u on party leader vs opener cuz its irrelivent and derailing
but i think if you read my solution on my first post you will c i did suggest a change for the opener leaving, so obviously i do see a problem with that, as for kicking the opener? the only problem i see with that is the opener can be kicked at all, in gw1 i had total control of any party i created no questions asked no exceptions, thats the way it should b here.
I can understand why he wants party leader because it is just annoying when I start my speedrun group,it fills with casual idiots and I cant kick them becasue "easy man it is just a game " and then I feel that I have wasted time doing this party but on the other hand I am also tired of all "EXPED ZERKER group from arah where opener starts lfg beeing inside because he sucks and he would be kicked during first boss . I think we need party leader who can kick,inv etc but 4 votes should force him to take over leadership . come on when entire party doesnt want you there must be something wrong with you . I heard many times that I am rude,intolerant and that I say word on letter F faster then uzi but mostly say that idiots who enter party and dont match description. People who plays with me tell me that I am really good guard in pve,www and it was pleasure to play in speedrun party like that .
i have no idea why your comparing the lfg system to being a meta sheep, every1 uses the lfg system it says NOTHING about you..
and i already said in my soluiton that if the owner does leave then yes, they can be kicked, thats fine, so that solves your trolling concerns right there.
but they absolutly do desrve to be immune to kicks, its their party. if you dont like it find a new one, and if they troll or greif you report them but few dungeon owners will have any way to troll or greif you if we make the leaving/going offline change
In the current build (not the feature patch), if the owner leaves, the party is forced out of the instance. Even if the owner gets kicked after that, the other members have to start over. The new patch allows the players to continue through the dungeon, even if the owner leaves or gets kicked. Which is what will happen, and what you essentially just said would be the “solution”, so I’m not seeing where you’re going with this…
There’s also no dedicated party leader (unless you’re in tPvP, but even then it’s just for a name), so even if you start the party, you’re still another player. You also have the right to leave the party and find a new one if you don’t like it, even if you started the party yourself. If you can’t find a party to dungeon with, then try again another time. So, again, I’m not seeing where you’re going with this.
did you just intentionaly ignore the part of my solution where the party leader getting kicked still closes the instance? u did didnt you….the change in my version is that the leader (or opener if you really insist) leaving will not close the dungeon but kicking the opener will
Um, no, I read your solution. Which is almost identical to the ANet change, except you want everyone to suffer for kicking the opener. Even if all they did was open the instance. The issue that ANet is addressing is simply to preserve the instance, no matter who leaves/gets kicked/DC’s.
thats an unusual circomstance but if you had known he was the opener i guess u wuda shut up and danced huh? besides there were probably signs he was immature before that and you cuda left long ago.
anyway if 1 person starts a party then yes you do deserve to be at that person’s mercy. 99% of the time ul b fine ESPECIALLY if we implement my leaver solution
Again, the change is to prevent immature trolls from doing this to people who actually want to run dungeons. If 1 person starts the party, but another member invites the other players, is the party starter still “God”? That’s not what ANet wants, and that seems to be what the vast majority of people in this thread believe too. Your “leaver solution”, as you call it, is ANet’s solution. If you get kicked as the “owner”, then find another party who won’t kick you. Griefers will grief, and life will move on.
well u can stop right there cuz anet has addreesed already today that they too aggree that my problem is a real problem and are looking into revamping their solution to fit better with our concerns so this is changing as we speak.
and your solution is just insulting really, you want me to survey them on wheather or not they r gana kick me b4 the party starts? you want to take away my time investment in the first place for playing the way i want to play?
I don’t understand where all the complaints about kicking are coming from. I’ve been playing for a year and a half (3,900 hours play time I think?) and have done many dungeon runs (including speed runs) with pugs and have only been kicked twice before, once as an engi and another time as a thief (because 4 warriors for CoF p1 isn’t enough apparently) both before even entering the dungeon. The new system is fine,
do you know how disappointing it is to get all the way to Mai Trin on a level 19 fractal only for the host to rage quit because we wiped -one- time? If you get kicked a lot you might want to consider what you as a player can do differently next time.u kinda just answered your own question about the kick system with thsoe 2 experiences of yours but lets broaden the question for a second
what if some people in the group want to do the mai glitch and some dont? some might wana kick over that, what if their is another argument in the group? u have no right to hijack the party from the opener over this no matter what, EVER
Even if the owner is someone who afk’s mid-dungeon to make dinner, something he knew he would have to do in advance?
Also, if you notice my two experiences are before entering the dungeon, so it’s not like I had my progress erased. On top of that, it is 2 times out of several hundred.. not often enough to be a problem. Not nearly enough to complain about.
if the dungeon owner wants to have a slow relaxed run where he can take a break and make something to eat then thats his choice he created the party. im not saying its polite and i certainly wudnt do that but its still his party and you can still leave. if your heavily invested and dont want to leave just wait, if you dont have time to wait then you also didnt plan ahead now did you?
but these examples are becoming increasingly niche and represent less than 1 in a thousand chances and i think most of us know that
The guy I am talking about was afk for 30 minutes and was not the party leader. I was the one who created the party and I let him open because at the time we were friends. He knew it was a fast run for experienced players looking to get their gold asap but he still did this anyways. I felt really bad for the other people there… Yes, the fault is on me for trusting him but what about the other 3 people who expected something better? They shouldn’t have to suffer for our mistake.
I’m only here because sometimes I just like to watch things burn.
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