Guild Wars 2

Why do people hate dailys? Because its pretty much the most hardcore grind of any game ever; and I played the original Everquest. Even in all my days of raiding I never heard of anything as hardcore as this. Guild Wars 2 takes a month of grinding dailys just to get a SINGLE piece of gear, in that time you don’t even get the ecto that is also required for some pieces, just the laurels.

I didn’t want to have to make a complaint thread; I thought the forum already had enough already. Besides, they were going to implement new optional dailys so I thought the developers were actually listening. I was wrong; the new dailys are just as bad.

All I want to do is play the game my way. Sometimes I just want to do some dungeon runs for tokens but even after 3 runs all I get toward the daily are 5 mobs for the kill variety. Meaning that everyday I have to add 30+ mins to my allotted play time to run around and work on the daily.

Crafting, like many of the dailys it requires that I waypoint someplace that I don’t want to be and back again. I spend more money waypointing to work on the daily that I get back from actually doing the daily. The money spent waypointing isn’t even as annoying as the feeling of feeling like that I am staring at loading screens.

Gathering; All my toons bags are overflowing with random junk harvestables because my stacks are maxed out. Which is my only option unless I want to spend hours running around Orr trying to get the high level ones. So instead I usually have to switch to some alt I don’t want to play because I don’t have time for that.

WvW; I thought they listened to how much people hated that when they took it out of the monthly.

Keg Brawl? I dont even know what or where that is and nor do I intend to bore myself to death spending even more time reading the wiki.

Underwater kills; yeah 80% of the bodies of water in this game don’t even have enough mobs to accomplish this. At least not since they disabled the 1 shot kill npcs from contributing toward its completion.

I could go on and on about each individual one but there isn’t enough room. The point is sometimes all I want to do is log in and farm my dungeon tokens, which doing daily is already pretty kitten hardcore.

Then after my grind the game bugs out and I don’t even get my daily reward. A bug that was even confirmed in the patch notes. So I make a help ticket only to hear sorry there is nothing they can do…

Constructive Criticism.

People should be able to do the dailys in one zone. Without having to go tradeskill, find water, etc.

Make a seperate WvW, Crafter, Dungeon and Overland daily, and let people choose which one they want to do.

The WvW is easy, just pretty much keep what you have, let people get kills, work on events inside of WvW. This daily should reward tokens of honor or whatever those WvW tokens are called.

Crafting Daily, for toons or people inside of towns. Just add more items. Idealy improve the crafting system entirely by adding some new in-town quests. Let people do some daily crafting quest that rewards basic crafting supplies or karma to buy crafting supplies. These new crafting events/quests can be required in the daily.

Overland Daily. Pretty much what the daily is now except no wvw, no crafting, none of the BS. This daily should reward a ton of extra experience, making it perfect for leveling alts; at least equal amount of completing a dungeon if not more.

Dungeon Daily. If you add 3 dungeon explorables to a daily its pretty much want every dungeon runner wants to do anyway and it will help keep groups together instead of the person that always leave after one path. If you require in dungeon kills you can also help solve the problem with speed clears. This daily should reward dungeon tokens if your choice.

Idealy the laurels will be removed from the daily entirely because the time frame is the most insanely hardcore stuff ever. The developers don’t even have the decency to tell us if Ascended gear will be the last tier of armor or not. If its not I am sure everyone would rather buy dye and other stuff with their laurels. Put ascended gear into crafting, random fractal drops. Anything but the daily.

I tried to tell players this very fact, i’ve played Korean/Chinese Grinder MMO’s less grindy than Guildwars 2…

But nope everyone tells me GW2 isn’t grindy, everything’s optional…the issue is the option is leave or grind..some optional content that is..

At least in those Asian grinders you can farm knowing that you will get what you want, and it will not take years of forced logging to get what you need..

Completing 5 events is by far the most boring time consuming and frustrating one. I literally roam zones for hours to finish that crap. Lately I just zone to queensdale and farm bandit waves attacking some ranch and a troll cave. And it’s boring as hell.

All I want to do is play the game my way

This is accomplished by only having to do 5/9 achievements. I’ll address how easy getting these 5 is from only 1 playstyle later on.

Crafting

Log on a low level alt and craft on them. Even if you play the alt, meaning it isn’t in LA: you’d still only be paying less than a silver to WP back.

Gathering

You’ve completely imagined this problem. If your bank is full then just TP the goods.

WvW

This is 1 of 9 achievements. Do 5 of 8 of the remaining ones.

Keg Brawl

This is 1 of 8 of the remaining ones. Do 5 of the other 7.

And how can you possibly justify whining about not wanting to do something you’ve never even tried? You might love Keg Brawl yet you whine about being forced to do it. What is wrong with you?

Conclusion

One is always kills which you get by wandering through a zone for 5 minutes.

One is events which should be run in to while wandering.

Gathering is always one, and apart from you making up insane reasons that you cannot do it, it’s the easiest one.

The other two involve crafting, killing veterans, applying conditions, dodging, etc etc. Things that either will be done while getting your kills done or require logging on to an alt.

The claims made by you and other posters are literally insane. You’ve created a fantasy world where you’re a victim of mental bullying by purposefully avoiding thinking about solutions to extremely simple tasks.

To compare killing 40 things to Korean MMOs (where killing 400 things is the only task available) is bordering on trolling.

This has been done to death just because you get more rewards from daily dose not mean you MUST do them. If any thing its you who is making the game grinding because THAT is how you play mmorpgs.
Do you buy ever deal that you see on a store? MUST you buy ever deal you see? No because you have a brain. Just because something is more rewarding dose not make it a must do.
Most of these daily events are do able in less then 30 mins. And for some reason this is too much for ppl to do i think gaming is the least of there worry and not whether or not that they can do every thing in a game.

Yeah, the devs seem to have “slow them down” as a mindset because of the hardcore gobbling content so fast…sadly the result is that normal players have this huge mountain in front of them which makes them wish they had saved their 60 bucks and spent it on a game that is a little more fun and a little less “challenging” or time-consuming, where you never hit a brick wall. New players can’t even complete the new dailies, they don’t have 5 that are doable for newer folks.

Completing 5 events is by far the most boring time consuming and frustrating one. I literally roam zones for hours to finish that crap. Lately I just zone to queensdale and farm bandit waves attacking some ranch and a troll cave. And it’s boring as hell.

Just do some events that have follow-ups in the ‘popular’ farming areas.

To many people are putting to much effort into dailies, just play the game as you did before dailies and you will get your daily done. It’s even easer now that there are more choices in the dailies. There are a couple that may be out of the norm like going and talk to the loural guy or crafting 10 items but on average I get 6 to 8 of the dailies done just by casual playing not grinding them out. Just have fun and stop over thinking the dailies and you will be surprised how fast you get them done. If for some reason I just don’t have the time to play much that day and I want to just do the dailies I can get them done in less then an hour.

I usually finish mine without looking… if there is a focus on it, it’s because you’ve created one for yourself.

Jski.6180:

This has been done to death just because you get more rewards from daily dose not mean you MUST do them. If any thing its you who is making the game grinding because THAT is how you play mmorpgs.
Do you buy ever deal that you see on a store? MUST you buy ever deal you see? No because you have a brain. Just because something is more rewarding dose not make it a must do.
Most of these daily events are do able in less then 30 mins. And for some reason this is too much for ppl to do i think gaming is the least of there worry and not whether or not that they can do every thing in a game.

Just because you breath doesn’t mean you MUST do it.

Sovta.4719:

Jski.6180:

This has been done to death just because you get more rewards from daily dose not mean you MUST do them. If any thing its you who is making the game grinding because THAT is how you play mmorpgs.
Do you buy ever deal that you see on a store? MUST you buy ever deal you see? No because you have a brain. Just because something is more rewarding dose not make it a must do.
Most of these daily events are do able in less then 30 mins. And for some reason this is too much for ppl to do i think gaming is the least of there worry and not whether or not that they can do every thing in a game.

Just because you breath doesn’t mean you MUST do it.

So by that line of thought you must do your daily to keep playing? Well if Anet is going to delete your hero if you stopped getting them by all means your right but they are not so…

The problem is that they tied laurels in to the dailies. Put laurels elsewhere and put the dailies back to how they used to be.

A couple of weeks ago I could do the daily in about 15 minutes. Today it took about 45 minutes.

Ok, there were a couple of wierd/funny ones. Daily condition apply. Stand just to the side of the minotaur event in wayfarer’s hills and launch a phantasmal beserker. Done.

I Am a Daily Condition Applier! Fear Me!!!

Poledo.3256:

The problem is that they tied laurels in to the dailies. Put laurels elsewhere and put the dailies back to how they used to be.

Exactly. One ascended piece here, another type of ascended over here, ascended weapons coming from some other part of the game, maybe 6 months from now…

We must remember at all times, Anet does not make grindy games.

This game is actually turning into attention span theater, and where the hell are my keys?

Jski.6180:

Sovta.4719:

Jski.6180:

This has been done to death just because you get more rewards from daily dose not mean you MUST do them. If any thing its you who is making the game grinding because THAT is how you play mmorpgs.
Do you buy ever deal that you see on a store? MUST you buy ever deal you see? No because you have a brain. Just because something is more rewarding dose not make it a must do.
Most of these daily events are do able in less then 30 mins. And for some reason this is too much for ppl to do i think gaming is the least of there worry and not whether or not that they can do every thing in a game.

Just because you breath doesn’t mean you MUST do it.

So by that line of thought you must do your daily to keep playing? Well if Anet is going to delete your hero if you stopped getting them by all means your right but they are not so…

Well i have to do them if i want to do FotM wich is the only place where skill is still required, everything else being so nerfed.

I was worried that these new dailies were going to be bad because the first day had some… annoying choices. But the last few days have been really easy and in some cases really fun.

I have actually been doing all 9 (for the achievement points) instead of just the 5. Today for example only took me 25 minutes to do, whereas normally it takes around an hour for me.

I’m going to help you out on all the problems you stated though.

Crafting/Waypoints. You have 3 options here to avoid waypoints. If you’re in a map, there is usually a “town area” in that map which has crafting stations. You can get back to Lion’s Arch for free by going to PVP and walking through the gate to Lion’s Arch. You can also go to WvW and there are crafting stations in your world’s Borderland. The plus side to that option, is that when you log out and log back in, you’ll be in the same spot you left from. Super helpful!

Gathering. Sell your stacks! Makes you lots of money. I hold on to the ones that barely sell above their minimum price though. A big tip to save space though is this. When you get a full stack, take it out of your collectibles and place it into your bank tab. Now when you deposit collectibles on any of your characters, it will go into collectibles and you won’t even have to sell your stacks.

WvW. I hear you on this one. Unless I’m going in with a friend, I skip this one. Depending on the day, 10 kills can actually be very hard to get.

Keg Brawl. I didn’t know what it was either. And I didn’t want to check the wiki either. So I didn’t. I went to Hoelbrak (which I found out it was in with a pretty quick query) and tried it out. And man was it fun! I didn’t read the tutorial, or the wiki, or ask people how to play. I jumped in and was instantly having a blast. In fact, I played it for 2 hours AFTER I got my daily. And this is why I’m happy with the new dailies. They are trying to get people to go out and try new things that they may have ignored before. And I’m glad they did, because it’s super fun.

Underwater kills is annoying too, but I find it you just go to whichever other zone is featured in the dailies, and get your kills there, you’re often killing 2, 3, or even 4 birds with one stone.

Today I went to Queensdale on an alternate during my 30 minute lunch at work. I walked to the east into the river/lake area, gathering resources as I went, and did 4/5 of my dailies within 20 minutes.

Gather
Underwater Kills
Kryta Kills
Conditions Applied

And then I went into town and mystic forged the items that I got into higher rarity items. Well, that’s a lie. I actually made an attempt at 5 mystic clovers (got 2!). A big tip I have for the daily crafter, forger, and the like is this…

Save stuff you plan on forging or crafting. I am slowly building up the resources for my legendary. So whenever I have a daily that comes up, I just go and craft 10 mithril or orichalcum ingots, or make a mystic forge recipe like for mystic clovers (ecto+obsidian shard+mystic coin+stuff you buy at the forge for skill points).

And to respond to pretty much everything else you said…

You’re trying to overcomplicate something to make it easier even though it’s only difficult because you’re going out of your way to avoid making it easy. I didn’t have to jump through hoops to do my daily. It didn’t take me 2 hours or require me to spend money at all. I logged in during my lunch break and went to the zone required for one of the dailies and did 4 out of 5 of them in 15 minutes, by just running around killing and exploring near water. I even managed to do 2 heart quests and unfog about 1/5 of the map. And for the last one, I used my saved up materials to craft something I could use later.

“People should be able to do the dailys in one zone. Without having to go tradeskill, find water, etc.”

You had me at “without having to tradeskill” and then lost me at “find water”. Seriously? You don’t want them to pick whether you do WvW or PvE, you don’t want them to pick which map you spend 15 minutes in, you don’t want them to influence you into trying new things (crafting, keg toss, dungeons, fractals), and you also don’t want them to lead you to certain spots in the map such as water?

The dailies have been and still are very easy for the most part. One of them was “visit laurel vendor”. Visit. Not browse. Not buy from. Visit. Walk up, open menu, close menu. He’s even standing right beside a free waypoint in Lion’s Arch. And now they’re giving up a 5/9 system, and people are still complaining that they are too hard or that they require them to not just stand still and shoot at whatever mob happens to be nearby?

It’s fun. It’s exploration. It’s trying something new. If it weren’t for the monthlies, I likely still wouldn’t have tried WvW or PvP. And those are both tons of fun to jump into occassionally.

You obviously didn’t read my entire post. I suppose I cannot blame you considering how long it is.

This is accomplished by only having to do 5/9 achievements. I’ll address how easy getting these 5 is from only 1 playstyle later on.

Wrong. Sometimes all I want to do is farm dungeon tokens, which if anything only does 1/9 or part of 1/9.

Log on a low level alt and craft on them. Even if you play the alt, meaning it isn’t in LA: you’d still only be paying less than a silver to WP back.

You completely ignored the part about me not wanting to have to play alts to do the daily.

You’ve completely imagined this problem. If your bank is full then just TP the goods.

You completely missed the point, getting rid of the harvestables isn’t the problem. Its the tedium of doing it when I do not want to, and on an alt I dont want to be playing.

This is 1 of 9 achievements. Do 5 of 8 of the remaining ones.

As I already said I can list something wrong with all nine and the fact that none of them are completable simply by the one or two hours I already spent doing dungeons.

This is 1 of 8 of the remaining ones. Do 5 of the other 7.

See above.

And how can you possibly justify whining about not wanting to do something you’ve never even tried? You might love Keg Brawl yet you whine about being *forced** to do it. What is wrong with you?*

Because, like any of the other dailys its something I would have allot more time playing to do. After I already spent 2 hours doing dungeons I shouldnt be forced to go spend doing however much time keg brawl takes.

One is always kills which you get by wandering through a zone for 5 minutes. One is events which should be run in to while wandering. Gathering is always one, and apart from you making up insane reasons that you cannot do it, it’s the easiest one.
The other two involve crafting

Ok so I should stop running dungeons because the developers want me to spend all my time doing that?

or require logging on to an alt.

I dont want to play alts

The claims made by you and other posters are literally insane. You’ve created a fantasy world where you’re a victim of mental bullying by purposefully avoiding thinking about solutions to extremely simple tasks.

Your response is extreme. My not wanting to play anymore then the 2 hours I spent in a dungeon is called having a life.

Emissary Vex.5690:

You obviously didn’t read my entire post. I suppose I cannot blame you considering how long it is.

This is accomplished by only having to do 5/9 achievements. I’ll address how easy getting these 5 is from only 1 playstyle later on.

Wrong. Sometimes all I want to do is farm dungeon tokens, which if anything only does 1/9 or part of 1/9.

Log on a low level alt and craft on them. Even if you play the alt, meaning it isn’t in LA: you’d still only be paying less than a silver to WP back.

You completely ignored the part about me not wanting to have to play alts to do the daily.

You’ve completely imagined this problem. If your bank is full then just TP the goods.

You completely missed the point, getting rid of the harvestables isn’t the problem. Its the tedium of doing it when I do not want to, and on an alt I dont want to be playing.

This is 1 of 9 achievements. Do 5 of 8 of the remaining ones.

As I already said I can list something wrong with all nine and the fact that none of them are completable simply by the one or two hours I already spent doing dungeons.

This is 1 of 8 of the remaining ones. Do 5 of the other 7.

See above.

And how can you possibly justify whining about not wanting to do something you’ve never even tried? You might love Keg Brawl yet you whine about being *forced** to do it. What is wrong with you?*

Because, like any of the other dailys its something I would have allot more time playing to do. After I already spent 2 hours doing dungeons I shouldnt be forced to go spend doing however much time keg brawl takes.

One is always kills which you get by wandering through a zone for 5 minutes. One is events which should be run in to while wandering. Gathering is always one, and apart from you making up insane reasons that you cannot do it, it’s the easiest one.
The other two involve crafting

Ok so I should stop running dungeons because the developers want me to spend all my time doing that?

or require logging on to an alt.

I dont want to play alts

The claims made by you and other posters are literally insane. You’ve created a fantasy world where you’re a victim of mental bullying by purposefully avoiding thinking about solutions to extremely simple tasks.

Your response is extreme. My not wanting to play anymore then the 2 hours I spent in a dungeon is called having a life.

Good post.
And what about WvW players? They have almost same problem as players who like dungeons most.

Dante.1508:

I tried to tell players this very fact, i’ve played Korean/Chinese Grinder MMO’s less grindy than Guildwars 2…

But nope everyone tells me GW2 isn’t grindy, everything’s optional…the issue is the option is leave or grind..some optional content that is..

At least in those Asian grinders you can farm knowing that you will get what you want, and it will not take years of forced logging to get what you need..

I’m with you :* (still I would like a game grinding-free, where you can just play different contents and have fun obtaining stuff without follow some sort of list >.>
It should be extremely easy to get all your items and then, if the content is REALLY FUN I think ppl would repeat it for a long time, then new content will be released and so on…)

So you want to be able to complete dailies while farming dungeon tokens without using an ALT and aren’t willing to spend 20 minutes to do dailies but are alright with spending two hours doing nothing but farming dungeons and then closing your game?

I think it’s obvious you’re just trolling at this point.

And to answer your comment about Keg Brawl (as I read both your post and your replies to someone else’s post), it takes a few minutes. In fact, if you focus on whatever it is the daily wants you to do, it can take 1 minute.

Like I said in my earlier post. You had me at “I don’t want to do this one thing” and lost me at “I want to do only one thing”. You’re obviously over exaggerating in an attempt at satire or something of the like, and based on the length of your post, you could have done your dailies in the time it took you to log in, think of how to word yourself, and type this.

Sovta.4719:

Jski.6180:

This has been done to death just because you get more rewards from daily dose not mean you MUST do them. If any thing its you who is making the game grinding because THAT is how you play mmorpgs.
Do you buy ever deal that you see on a store? MUST you buy ever deal you see? No because you have a brain. Just because something is more rewarding dose not make it a must do.
Most of these daily events are do able in less then 30 mins. And for some reason this is too much for ppl to do i think gaming is the least of there worry and not whether or not that they can do every thing in a game.

Just because you breath doesn’t mean you MUST do it.

What? That’s some really fail logic there. Care to defend it?

Onto the main topic: Dailies are getting less and less grindier as the game goes. I don’t find them tedious at all; I finish them without even knowing I finished them within an hour of regular play.

Not sure what every other complainer’s been doing. I guess they won’t be satisfied until 5/9 dailies can be done without moving out of Lion’s Arch.

Also, at OP’s “rebuttal” of one of the responses. Firstly, an alt isn’t needed at all. Secondly, it just sounds like you’re lazy and want to be entitled. Sorry, but as much as I can admit the game’s grindy, there’s one place I’d draw the line between “tedious” and “plain laziness”.

Sovta.4719:

Jski.6180:

Sovta.4719:

Jski.6180:

This has been done to death just because you get more rewards from daily dose not mean you MUST do them. If any thing its you who is making the game grinding because THAT is how you play mmorpgs.
Do you buy ever deal that you see on a store? MUST you buy ever deal you see? No because you have a brain. Just because something is more rewarding dose not make it a must do.
Most of these daily events are do able in less then 30 mins. And for some reason this is too much for ppl to do i think gaming is the least of there worry and not whether or not that they can do every thing in a game.

Just because you breath doesn’t mean you MUST do it.

So by that line of thought you must do your daily to keep playing? Well if Anet is going to delete your hero if you stopped getting them by all means your right but they are not so…

Well i have to do them if i want to do FotM wich is the only place where skill is still required, everything else being so nerfed.

You realty dont atm 30 is the max you can get if you just run FotM but you can do 30+ with just 25 (even at 40 the cap atm 35 ar you still die i am not sure about 40 and 45 but that a bit far off). I am sure they will add in more ways to get Ar once they raise the cap from 40 to a higher one. As for skill the true test of skill is WvW and sPvP. PvE in most games is vs an bad ai human vs npc most of the time humans win but they are making dungeon bosses “better” try AC they are fun and make you work as a team.

Emissary Vex.5690:

You obviously didn’t read my entire post. I suppose I cannot blame you considering how long it is.

This is accomplished by only having to do 5/9 achievements. I’ll address how easy getting these 5 is from only 1 playstyle later on.

Wrong. Sometimes all I want to do is farm dungeon tokens, which if anything only does 1/9 or part of 1/9.

Log on a low level alt and craft on them. Even if you play the alt, meaning it isn’t in LA: you’d still only be paying less than a silver to WP back.

You completely ignored the part about me not wanting to have to play alts to do the daily.

You’ve completely imagined this problem. If your bank is full then just TP the goods.

You completely missed the point, getting rid of the harvestables isn’t the problem. Its the tedium of doing it when I do not want to, and on an alt I dont want to be playing.

This is 1 of 9 achievements. Do 5 of 8 of the remaining ones.

As I already said I can list something wrong with all nine and the fact that none of them are completable simply by the one or two hours I already spent doing dungeons.

This is 1 of 8 of the remaining ones. Do 5 of the other 7.

See above.

And how can you possibly justify whining about not wanting to do something you’ve never even tried? You might love Keg Brawl yet you whine about being *forced** to do it. What is wrong with you?*

Because, like any of the other dailys its something I would have allot more time playing to do. After I already spent 2 hours doing dungeons I shouldnt be forced to go spend doing however much time keg brawl takes.

One is always kills which you get by wandering through a zone for 5 minutes. One is events which should be run in to while wandering. Gathering is always one, and apart from you making up insane reasons that you cannot do it, it’s the easiest one.
The other two involve crafting

Ok so I should stop running dungeons because the developers want me to spend all my time doing that?

or require logging on to an alt.

I dont want to play alts

The claims made by you and other posters are literally insane. You’ve created a fantasy world where you’re a victim of mental bullying by purposefully avoiding thinking about solutions to extremely simple tasks.

Your response is extreme. My not wanting to play anymore then the 2 hours I spent in a dungeon is called having a life.

I think I see the issue here, I tried to address the issues you presented as if you were reasonable.

Instead it appears that you want to be rewarded for farming dungeons over and over again.

Why you believe you deserve a daily reward for running dungeons over and over again- I have no idea. But since getting such is the only thing that will satisfy you I’m going to just stop wasting time.

Sovta.4719:

Jski.6180:

This has been done to death just because you get more rewards from daily dose not mean you MUST do them. If any thing its you who is making the game grinding because THAT is how you play mmorpgs.
Do you buy ever deal that you see on a store? MUST you buy ever deal you see? No because you have a brain. Just because something is more rewarding dose not make it a must do.
Most of these daily events are do able in less then 30 mins. And for some reason this is too much for ppl to do i think gaming is the least of there worry and not whether or not that they can do every thing in a game.

Just because you breath doesn’t mean you MUST do it.

Nice. The new dailies/monthlies are NOT optional content. They are the path of the power curve. They are the way to keep up with the rising power of the game. How do I know the power level will keep rising? Because they’ve implemented vertical progression. Vertical: the power level goes up. Progression: it periodically and continually goes up. Vertical progression doesn’t progress by stopping.

No, there is nothing optional about the dailies for those who want to continue playing the game. The only options are whether you’re ok with it and follow the path, or you choose not to and eventually are excluded by the power curve. Those are your options.

Fine.
You get the mood Anet.
Make dailies that can be achieved in under 30 minutes by any player doing
whatever.
Then your game would be great
/sarcasm off

Risingashes.8694:

I think I see the issue here, I tried to address the issues you presented as if you were reasonable.

Wrong, the only argument that you or any else has presented is that everyone should be doing nothing except overland content because that is where the dailys are done at. Trust me, I know the easiest and fastest way of doing them all.

The point is that why do they ever offer any other content in the game dungeons/fractals/pvp if all the time we spend there is irrelevant unless we spend even more time playing so we can run around other zones to get the daily done. I’ve completed them all, I don’t want to run around anymore, I have done it on two toons.

I’m glad you are done wasting your time since you obviously aren’t spending it doing anything except playing overland content.

Not everyone hates dailies. The majority opinion (by far) in my guild is that they are fun, easy to get (I finished 3/5 today in 5 minutes just by killing underwater mobs in Kessex Hills), and yesterday I got several daily and monthly tiers just doing the COF gate opening events and a single run of p1.

Good job devs – in my book you get an A+ for this one.

I also play WoW every now and then.
Now that is a real waste of time.
Maybe what they are trying to do is make you go off
your predetermined farming path,just for a while.

Since the daily change last week, I have actually found the daily easier to complete and have completed it every day since patch.

I have played far more grindier games and this is nothing.

Easiest dailies ever. QQ moar.

Even if they increase the level cap,I don’t see them introducing new gear.
Maybe they will just boost current gear to compensate for the higher
levels.
GW2 is at the verge of being tagged as a gear grind game as it is,and I doubt that
is something Anet wants.

Raine.1394:

Sovta.4719:

Jski.6180:

This has been done to death just because you get more rewards from daily dose not mean you MUST do them. If any thing its you who is making the game grinding because THAT is how you play mmorpgs.
Do you buy ever deal that you see on a store? MUST you buy ever deal you see? No because you have a brain. Just because something is more rewarding dose not make it a must do.
Most of these daily events are do able in less then 30 mins. And for some reason this is too much for ppl to do i think gaming is the least of there worry and not whether or not that they can do every thing in a game.

Just because you breath doesn’t mean you MUST do it.

Nice. The new dailies/monthlies are NOT optional content. They are the path of the power curve. They are the way to keep up with the rising power of the game. How do I know the power level will keep rising? Because they’ve implemented vertical progression. Vertical: the power level goes up. Progression: it periodically and continually goes up. Vertical progression doesn’t progress by stopping.

No, there is nothing optional about the dailies for those who want to continue playing the game. The only options are whether you’re ok with it and follow the path, or you choose not to and eventually are excluded by the power curve. Those are your options.

There is but your own view are not allowing it to be optional. Its more of a self problem then Anets problem. Do you want them to changes you because that the only way your going to see these as optional. Please take some personal responsibility for once in your life and stop blaming others for your own action and views.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Ascended-v-Exotic-Trinket-Set/first#post1529011
Is the best way to look at Ascended v. Exotic Trinket Set. Its not a big upgrade and its not that step in the power curve that your looking for when you look at exotic vs rare switch.
But hay if your going to get Ascended from daily only (the case in point so no monthly to cheat with) will take you 180 days and there is no back for you there. So you simply CANT just do daily alone and think you will get by making the other ways of getting these items a better off way (if you MUST have the small buff from these items). So making daily not only optional but imposable to reach the goal you have set for your self. (That cute buff that will make up for the lack of skill well if you believe that these items alone are going to make or break you.) I for one think skill easily makes up for the small buff these items give you but hay we all need our “reason” for dieing.

I don’t mind the daily structure. It’s great that they are providing an incentive to go to other areas outside one’s comfort zone.

What I hate is that dailies are no longer optional if going for BiS gear. You must do your daily, your daily FotM, and weekly guild missions to stay a float. And all that is for one character.

Jski.6180:

So making daily not only optional but imposable to reach the goal you have set for your self.

This kind of exaggeration is only hurting your argument. Alts are an excellent example of what is wrong with Ascended gear. It is easier and faster to raid gear an alt in a hardcore gear treadmill game then it is to put your GW2 alt in Ascended gear.

You are confusing the words tedious with difficult. No one has tried to imply that the dailys are too “hard” to complete. So the fact you keep trying to argue agaisnt that and tell us it is easy makes your argument all the more pointless.

Please pay attention. The dailys “options” were supposed to let us play how we wanted to play. I’m glad you enjoy playing all your alts and doing overland content, there is nothing wrong with that, no one thinks you shouldnt want to do that. But myself and many other people have already completed all that content on one if not more characters.

Doing solo content is extremely boring, yet the dailys force us to not only do it, but do it daily. So after we spend 2 hours playing group content that we find fun (dungeons), we have to keep and keep playing the boring solo content to progress.

So unless you want to make a ridiculously inane statement about how we can group up to craft please realize there is allot of other stuff to do in the game, that other people actually want to do, and we don’t want to have to tack 30 minutes onto our gameplay every day because the “daily” doesn’t match your personal style of solo gameplay

That’s funny. Dailies, or rather that purple jug plus laurel, are the only reason I’m still logging into the game

Heijincks.9267:

Sorry, but as much as I can admit the game’s grindy, there’s one place I’d draw the line between “tedious” and “plain laziness”.

So because we want to do more difficult group content that takes longer we are lazy? Because we are bored of overland content and have done ALL of it before we should have to keep doing it every single day on top of the dungeons we already run?

If some people want to do nothing but noob solo content all the time for their daily thats fine. I certainly wouldn’t want to force said players into dungeons where they are unwanted to begin with. But if people already play 2 hours a day doing dungeons they shouldnt be forced to add more game time on top of that to do the daily. Some people already did their world completion and don’t want to play their level 10 alts go plow through some nooby zone events.

Now that more stat combos have been added to the laurel vendor, I was able to compare my Knight’s Amulet directly. If I slot the Ascended item, the result would be: +6 Power, +21 Toughness, -4 Precision. While I realize that once there is Ascended armor and weapons, the small differences will be compounded, but we’re not there yet. At the moment, it’s really hard to get excited about it.

Sorry, but I have played games with far more grind for less reward. Sorry, no quests or anything left at your level, so kill thousands of these mobs to level up, so you can then kill thousands of these slightly more powerful mobs to level up again.

I would agree to determining which Daily actions got picked (Four from Overland, two from WvW, one from Crafting, one from Dungeons, and one Wildcard) . . . provided we never ever hear about it and it’s a purely internal script.

You know, I’d almost wager if we start keeping track we will see a pattern on how much of what gets picked and it follows this somewhat closely.

The developers likely have data that disproves most of the complaints in this thread for a huge majority of players. With the last two patches, the game, particularly in the open world, is more active than ever. Even low-level zones now have a ton of activity. And the daily achievements are definitely being completed more often and quickly.

@Emissary Vex.5690

The thing is i point out how much these items truly add (they do not add enofe to work for them). I was showing the flaw in the logic of all of this the forces behind the treadmill (made up mind you) are the players who want them. YOU are the problem simply put its not Anet. The fact that you call it a treadmill show a flaw it show that you have an idea of one player being better then another base purely off gear. I was just simply working arone that idea with out coming out and saying it.

This is a made up problem by the players looking for something to go after. Even if the new gear added +1 to all it would still be looked at as a treadmill because that what ppl who hate treadmill want. Odd idea i know but look at it this way though who obsessed over hating something must too know about it by knowing about it there minds become comply consumed by the idea of this gear there by making the small buff a HUGE one and the work to get it (may be out of there reach) beyond despicable.

No the point i am trying to make that even the daily is a made up problem by a few players on these forms. Its silly to hate something because it give ppl more of something. They are coming from a back ground where you must be the best “the best that ever was” (sry i know it dose not fit but i think it works here) but in a game like this being good has nothing to do with gear the gear become a reflection of how good you are. Reason being that its not easy to get this gear that only adds a small bit. Easy mainly being work put in to the skill of the game (mainly ability to time rolls, work as a team, and the ability to make friends). These skills will put you in places that will let you get these items with more ease. As for the daily they are a trick to let players with the lack of these skills to “FEEL” as if they are as strong as others. This is just a simply conversion from skill to time. Mind you this has nothing to do with the true ability of a player but the “feeling” of how good they are.

No one is making you do this solo i love running daily with other ppl that why i play games like this to play with other ppl even if its random ppl i still chat with them and play with them as if they are in my pt. This games back to one of the major skills of this game that ppl do not seem to understand the ability to make friends. If you go arone doing things and not talking to any one your time and the mmorpg community time. These games are not mindlessly pleaser dispenser there is some meaning behind playing a game where human interaction is key.

Then dont take 30 min try playing the game for fun for once and see how much you get done. If you cant think of what to do for fun try new things i know new things are scary but if you never try them your forever will be fearful of every thing in your life. Another major thing these daily help with is giving the fearful a chase to try something new. Think of it like a pain reward thing. The pain is trying something that you not read about and have it plan out for you, thinking for your self can be one of the most painful thing you will ever do. The reward that should get you over this pain is the daily.

Relay you guys have GOT to stop being so negative about life i cant even imagine how ppl can lead lives thinking every thing is out to get them some how. Anet is trying to make your gaming a fun thing nothing is forced on you its your own views on things is making the need to do dailies, be the first at something, to have the best gear in all of that lands.

Wow to people who know I hate grind I find dailies aren’t as bad when compared to the terrible gold grind. I don’t mind doing dailies, meh the gathering is a bit annoying but tollerable.

The gold grind is tedious to almost silly. Find a market invest, rinse repeat for days and days on end. Or you can do CoF, or FOTM or Tunnel. Yep your sorta stuck to one of those choices. Its like work and completly contridicts Anet’s manifesto.

As i understand it dailies are suppose to be an reward from actually playing the game not some afk reward u get when u log in.

Revolution.6301:

Wow to people who know I hate grind I find dailies aren’t as bad when compared to the terrible gold grind. I don’t mind doing dailies, meh the gathering is a bit annoying but tollerable.

The gold grind is tedious to almost silly. Find a market invest, rinse repeat for days and days on end. Or you can do CoF, or FOTM or Tunnel. Yep your sorta stuck to one of those choices. Its like work and completly contridicts Anet’s manifesto.

Except for dungeons, the best way to farm gold is hopping from world boss to world boss. I got like 12 rares in an hour earlier.

That seems to match their manifesto fine. Doing dungeons and world events is exactly what Guild Wars 2 PvE is supposed to be all about.

This is a case of ‘PEBKAC’

Cato.3547:

As i understand it dailies are suppose to be an reward from actually playing the game not some afk reward u get when u log in.

I guess some people won’t be happy unless ANet adds ascended vending machines in Lion’s Arch which sell all the ascended gear for 10 copper each.
Actually, some would complain 10 copper is too much and ask to drop it to 1 copper.

Korrigan.4837:

Cato.3547:

As i understand it dailies are suppose to be an reward from actually playing the game not some afk reward u get when u log in.

I guess some people won’t be happy unless ANet adds ascended vending machines in Lion’s Arch which sell all the ascended gear for 10 copper each.
Actually, some would complain 10 copper is too much and ask to drop it to 1 copper.

This would make some happy, but then others would complain that their precious ascended gear is not “rare” anymore, and averyone is “running around with a rare backpack”, therefore they dont feel special.

Next thing a lot of people will come complaining that there is no end-game and they feel bored without a long-term goal.

Lopez.7369:

The developers likely have data that disproves most of the complaints in this thread for a huge majority of players. With the last two patches, the game, particularly in the open world, is more active than ever. Even low-level zones now have a ton of activity. And the daily achievements are definitely being completed more often and quickly.

For some maybe,i barely do dailies,i think i have like 9 laurels since they were implemented.I just,dont care about them and i do not find them fun to do.

Jski.6180:

This games back to one of the major skills of this game that ppl do not seem to understand the ability to make friends. If you go arone doing things and not talking to any one your time and the mmorpg community time. These games are not mindlessly pleaser dispenser there is some meaning behind playing a game where human interaction is key.

Wah? I want to do dungeons with people and not boring solo content so that makes me anti-social? Do you see the hypocrisy?

Herr der Friedhoefe.2490:

A couple of weeks ago I could do the daily in about 15 minutes. Today it took about 45 minutes.

45 mins is nothing, 15 mins is embarrassingly short.

That said, in general I doubt you really did them in 15 mins, not long ago 5 events were on every daily, that takes more than 15 mins on average, let alone the other things that still needed accomplished.

@ op

Didn’t you here? The promised black forest cake is now carrot cake :p

Feirlista Xv.1425:

To many people are putting to much effort into dailies, just play the game as you did before dailies and you will get your daily done. It’s even easer now that there are more choices in the dailies. There are a couple that may be out of the norm like going and talk to the loural guy or crafting 10 items but on average I get 6 to 8 of the dailies done just by casual playing not grinding them out. Just have fun and stop over thinking the dailies and you will be surprised how fast you get them done. If for some reason I just don’t have the time to play much that day and I want to just do the dailies I can get them done in less then an hour.

I don’t even really pay attention to em. I gather like a skritt, can’t pass a node without hitting it. And to get to them, I kill whatever crosses my path. If an event pops, I hit it and move on. Hell, getting all the veterans for the monthly happened in less then TWO nights in WvW flipping camps. Nothing grindy about the dailies at all, except to those looking to make them that.

Emissary Vex.5690:

Jski.6180:

This games back to one of the major skills of this game that ppl do not seem to understand the ability to make friends. If you go arone doing things and not talking to any one your time and the mmorpg community time. These games are not mindlessly pleaser dispenser there is some meaning behind playing a game where human interaction is key.

Wah? I want to do dungeons with people and not boring solo content so that makes me anti-social? Do you see the hypocrisy?

If you have problems making friends and just simply go though this game jumping from one pt to another why not just play a solo game? I am talking about the ppl who do not even talk in dungeons pts i do not know any thing about you and i truly do not wish to know. You must be willing to work with out out side of dungeons though. Look at it this way if you run a dungeon with ppl most like they need there daily too so why not stay as a group to get thoughts. You just trued a small event with random ppl that you kind of got to know into something a great deal more making it more fun for both you and your other players.

Yes there is kind of Hypocrisy with your views there. You think that when your out in the world that your solo and that you can only do these events as solo. Your never solo in this game there is an over all pt (every one on the map IS in your pt). Your simply just not playing with your pt at all times.