Guild Wars 2

Do you think this game will ever support dx11?

In GW3 maybe, though they might surprise you and go with an up to date DX13.

Adding DX11 support would be a major change to the core game, something that isn’t done casually. Outside of a major expansion with an overhaul, I wouldn’t expect it to happen. Furthermore, considering just how many basic features they still need to implement and just how long it has taken to add those features, I just don’t see it happening. They probably don’t have the in-house resources to do it either, just like how they had to get specialists in to counter botting.

If they were going to work on it though, it probably wouldn’t be implemented anytime within the next 5 or so years.

duh!

gotta get myself ready for hom2 when gw3 comes! >.<

Guild Wars 1 w3as originally a DX8 game . Took them until Factions’ release to make the game DX9 .

No DX11 is a crime against any computers built after 2009 .

ArenaNet might do like other games and add extra snazz with DX11 while still supporting DX9. I think most people would rather they add core gameplay like guildhalls etc etc first though. Perhaps they’ll add DX10+ support in an expansion

Lévis.5489:

Guild Wars 1 w3as originally a DX8 game . Took them until Factions’ release to make the game DX9 .

No DX11 is a crime against any computers built after 2009 .

Nuka Cola.8520:

Lévis.5489:

Guild Wars 1 w3as originally a DX8 game . Took them until Factions’ release to make the game DX9 .

No DX11 is a crime against any computers built after 2009 .

MMO or not, not having DX11 support in a PC EXCLUSIVE title released in 2012 is a joke especially when games run better in dx11.

Except they do have a Mac version in permanent Beta using an Dx9/Windows SDK emulator. At least I’m pretty sure it’s not a native OS X version.

Anyways since the game will Soon™ be released in Asia and Asia (re: China) still has a sizable XP population, I don’t see them working on a Dx 11 version any time soon.

No. /10 Charrs

What u guys talking about? Dx11? Look how many clipping issues we have on charr, asura armors/weapons.

Scoobaniec.9561:

What u guys talking about? Dx11? Look how many clipping issues we have on charr, asura armors/weapons.

That´s an art department problem, we´re talking about the tech-nerd department.
You don´t ask Dolce&Gabana to fix the broken sewing machines either.

Nuka Cola.8520:

Lévis.5489:

Guild Wars 1 w3as originally a DX8 game . Took them until Factions’ release to make the game DX9 .

No DX11 is a crime against any computers built after 2009 .

MMO or not, not having DX11 support in a PC EXCLUSIVE title released in 2012 is a joke especially when games run better in dx11.

Having it in Direct X 11 would upset people with Direct X 10 cards, which there is still a fairly high number of compared to DX9 cards now. I could see this game going as far as DX10 for now but not DX11 and I highly doubt GW2 will upgrade to DX10 to begin with. If there is a ‘Guild Wars 3’ game in the future, maybe it will use Direct X 11. But it doesn’t really matter though, the game looks great either way.

Also wouldn’t this topic be better suited for the Tech support forums?

If there’s a good reason to do so, maybe. I don’t know why they’d put any effort into that at the current time, there’s far more pressing issues.

As somebody who actually ran this game on a 32bit DX9 system, I can confirm that this client is an absolute joke.

If they dare show their face in WinXP dominated Asia with this falsely advertised DX9 game, then NCSoft will instantly become a laughing stock in their main market.
ANet will not like the outcome of that.

Omaris Mortuus Est.2738:

Do you think this game will ever support dx11?

Maybe in the future but it shouldn’t be high on the priority list. Art style > graphic tech anyway and Guild Wars 2 has some excellent art.

maddoctor.2738:

Omaris Mortuus Est.2738:

Do you think this game will ever support dx11?

Art style > graphic tech

Why is it so hard to understand?
Art Style department does not program the graphic engine and the techies don´t design cunning new trench coats either (although..).

HawkMeister.4758:

maddoctor.2738:

Omaris Mortuus Est.2738:

Do you think this game will ever support dx11?

Art style > graphic tech

Why is it so hard to understand?
Art Style department does not program the graphic engine and the techies don´t design cunning new trench coats either (although..).

And if the Art Style department can produce that kind of graphics while using a DX9 engine who cares about DX11? Why is it so hard to understand?

Ah I understand now that you have no clue whatsoever about the actual differences between DX9 and 11.

Avelos.6798:

Nuka Cola.8520:

Lévis.5489:

Guild Wars 1 w3as originally a DX8 game . Took them until Factions’ release to make the game DX9 .

No DX11 is a crime against any computers built after 2009 .

MMO or not, not having DX11 support in a PC EXCLUSIVE title released in 2012 is a joke especially when games run better in dx11.

Having it in Direct X 11 would upset people with Direct X 10 cards, which there is still a fairly high number of compared to DX9 cards now. I could see this game going as far as DX10 for now but not DX11 and I highly doubt GW2 will upgrade to DX10 to begin with. If there is a ‘Guild Wars 3’ game in the future, maybe it will use Direct X 11. But it doesn’t really matter though, the game looks great either way.

Also wouldn’t this topic be better suited for the Tech support forums?

Why would it upset anyone? DX11 support doesn’t mean DX9 won’t be supported anymore… DX11 would be for those who own a gaming rig and DX9 for those gaming on a computer from Bestbuy lol

Crysis 2 had options to let you choice between dx9 and 11 at will. The same can be done here. I personally would kill someone for dx11.

The two big things in Dx11 that I can think of are tessellation (dynamic mesh based on distance, allows smoother more detailed model up close) and the ability to multithread the rendering loop “easily”.

Personally I think that tessellation is oversold as a “feature”.

Omaris Mortuus Est.2738:

Do you think this game will ever support dx11?

According to official responses, it will happen on launch.
Oh wait…

Behellagh.1468:

The two big things in Dx11 that I can think of are tessellation (dynamic mesh based on distance, allows smoother more detailed model up close) and the ability to multithread the rendering loop “easily”.

Personally I think that tessellation is oversold as a “feature”.

with blocky fingers gw2 characters have, tessallation would’ve been more than welcome.

Behellagh.1468:

The two big things in Dx11 that I can think of are tessellation (dynamic mesh based on distance, allows smoother more detailed model up close) and the ability to multithread the rendering loop “easily”.

Personally I think that tessellation is oversold as a “feature”.

O rll?

EVE Fanfest 2012: Nvidia Tessellation Demo

Tessellation is great making really pretty demos and impressive screen shots. But when you are in a middle of an Ogre mob will you notice the deep wrinkles in it’s skin or how much better his knuckles are formed as you are spamming your attacks?

As for the EVE demo. One ship, 500 million triangles, most less than a pixel or two in size (only 3.7 million pixels at 2560×1440). This is one ship in space, using displacement mapping with tessellation instead of bump mapping. Relatively simply lighting. No particle effects.

Let me show you another case of tessellation overkill. Crysis 2 added a Dx11 patch, game was originally Dx9.

http://techreport.com/review/21404/crysis-2-tessellation-too-much-of-a-good-thing

It’s that kind of overkill that’s all to common in Dx11 tessellation (see EVE demo). Here’s a tree trunk with 100,000 triangles. Here is a single leaf with 5,000. Now here’s a forest made up of those trees covered in those leaves. Crap, 99.9999% of all triangles are under one pixel in size, except the tree you are right next to. What realistic looking bark. What the tessallator gives you the scaler takes away.

It’s like one of my points against about DoF effects. You are going to supersample a texture with 4x/8x/16x AF and then smooth the edges with 4xMSAA and then using the depth map do a blur pass so the carefully, textured object that the hardware just rendered looks like a smudge because it’s far enough away.

Well yes you don’t reall notice tesselation on creature skins, etc. But you would notice it in terrain textures. It really makes surfaces come alive.

DX11 must come, DX10 was already promised years before release when DX11 didnt even exist

Tom Gore.4035:

Well yes you don’t reall notice tesselation on creature skins, etc. But you would notice it in terrain textures. It really makes surfaces come alive.

You would also notice tessallation on human medium T3 under boob which is currently blocky as hell :P

Healix.5819:

In GW3 maybe, though they might surprise you and go with an up to date DX13.

Adding DX11 support would be a major change to the core game, something that isn’t done casually. Outside of a major expansion with an overhaul, I wouldn’t expect it to happen. Furthermore, considering just how many basic features they still need to implement and just how long it has taken to add those features, I just don’t see it happening. They probably don’t have the in-house resources to do it either, just like how they had to get specialists in to counter botting.

If they were going to work on it though, it probably wouldn’t be implemented anytime within the next 5 or so years.

If lord of the rigns online can constantly patch to the latest DX with updates with such a small dev team and cash flow and player population then how can arena net not possibly do it for guild wars? its down to greed and laziness.

Nuka Cola.8520:

Tom Gore.4035:

Well yes you don’t reall notice tesselation on creature skins, etc. But you would notice it in terrain textures. It really makes surfaces come alive.

You would also notice tessallation on human medium T3 under boob which is currently blocky as hell :P

Well yes, obviously. Some places you just do observe in more detail.

I am probably biased since I still play Settlers 2 relatively often.

That said, I don’t care one bit about graphics. The Guild Wars 1 graphics were more than enough for me, and this silly arm race has gone too far. If a game like Crysis would halve the resources for graphics and put in towards gameplay and story instead, it might have been an enjoyable game. Everyone loses because consumers get worse games with pretty graphics, costing tons of money in arguably useless upgrades.

Whether or not GW2 should go with DirectX 11 hinges entirely on the cost. If it’s as trivial as recompiling, sure why not. If it means overhauling the entire engine for absolutely no reason, I’d rather they did not. Such resources are better spent elsewhere.

Why can’t people simply like the game for what it is. Chess has used Stanton pieces for over a century now, and most cosmetic “improvements” tend to flop hard. Pretty games ain’t automagically good.

Is there anyone in this thread who can claim with a straight game that GW2 doesn’t look good enough?

Tom Gore.4035:

Nuka Cola.8520:

Tom Gore.4035:

Well yes you don’t reall notice tesselation on creature skins, etc. But you would notice it in terrain textures. It really makes surfaces come alive.

You would also notice tessallation on human medium T3 under boob which is currently blocky as hell :P

Well yes, obviously. Some places you just do observe in more detail.

Does it matter even one bit?

marnick.4305:

I am probably biased since I still play Settlers 2 relatively often.

That said, I don’t care one bit about graphics. The Guild Wars 1 graphics were more than enough for me, and this silly arm race has gone too far. If a game like Crysis would halve the resources for graphics and put in towards gameplay and story instead, it might have been an enjoyable game. Everyone loses because consumers get worse games with pretty graphics, costing tons of money in arguably useless upgrades.

Whether or not GW2 should go with DirectX 11 hinges entirely on the cost. If it’s as trivial as recompiling, sure why not. If it means overhauling the entire engine for absolutely no reason, I’d rather they did not. Such resources are better spent elsewhere.

Why can’t people simply like the game for what it is. Chess has used Stanton pieces for over a century now, and most cosmetic “improvements” tend to flop hard. Pretty games ain’t automagically good.

Is there anyone in this thread who can claim with a straight game that GW2 doesn’t look good enough?

I actually think that Crysis (all parts) have definitely better story line telling than GW2.
Check i don’t even care for lore of gw2 bc it is written for childs. Gaah elder dragons waken up, everyone run for life!

Even dead story has a holes in it, i don’t even know whats going on. In terms of gameplay olny 1/wars (warhead) had decent multiplayer, howered i enjoyed single player in them and Crysis 3 was the best – just too bad its was short.

As for looking good.. I don’t think theres on market any different game with so many clipping issues, so go figure. A new game with clipping everywhere seriously..Its a shame for 2012 year game

Scoobaniec.9561:

marnick.4305:

I am probably biased since I still play Settlers 2 relatively often.

That said, I don’t care one bit about graphics. The Guild Wars 1 graphics were more than enough for me, and this silly arm race has gone too far. If a game like Crysis would halve the resources for graphics and put in towards gameplay and story instead, it might have been an enjoyable game. Everyone loses because consumers get worse games with pretty graphics, costing tons of money in arguably useless upgrades.

Whether or not GW2 should go with DirectX 11 hinges entirely on the cost. If it’s as trivial as recompiling, sure why not. If it means overhauling the entire engine for absolutely no reason, I’d rather they did not. Such resources are better spent elsewhere.

Why can’t people simply like the game for what it is. Chess has used Stanton pieces for over a century now, and most cosmetic “improvements” tend to flop hard. Pretty games ain’t automagically good.

Is there anyone in this thread who can claim with a straight game that GW2 doesn’t look good enough?

I actually think that Crysis (all parts) have definitely better story line telling than GW2.
Check i don’t even care for lore of gw2 bc it is written for childs. Gaah elder dragons waken up, everyone run for life!

Even dead story has a holes in it, i don’t even know whats going on. In terms of gameplay olny 1/wars (warhead) had decent multiplayer, howered i enjoyed single player in them and Crysis 3 was the best – just too bad its was short.

Agree to disagree? I didn’t like the game one bit. Generic thirteen in a dozen shooter with bland story and pretty graphics (which was the prime redeeming feature for everyone but me).

As for looking good.. I don’t think theres on market any different game with so many clipping issues, so go figure. A new game with clipping everywhere seriously..Its a shame for 2012 year game

GW2 is fun, I don’t mind clipping issues. Please focus on what’s important. Who sincerely cares about such silly details? Clipping issues exist in almost all games, and in MMOs they’re almost inevitable. And if you don’t find GW2 fun, fixing clipping won’t change that.

Heck, games like Dwarf Fortress and Uplink show just how irrelevant graphics are if the gameplay is good.

marnick.4305:

Tom Gore.4035:

Nuka Cola.8520:

Tom Gore.4035:

Well yes you don’t reall notice tesselation on creature skins, etc. But you would notice it in terrain textures. It really makes surfaces come alive.

You would also notice tessallation on human medium T3 under boob which is currently blocky as hell :P

Well yes, obviously. Some places you just do observe in more detail.

Does it matter even one bit?

of course it does (and im not talking about the under boob here, but tessallation in general) if you care about your character appearance/style.

Scoobaniec.9561:

marnick.4305:

I am probably biased since I still play Settlers 2 relatively often.

That said, I don’t care one bit about graphics. The Guild Wars 1 graphics were more than enough for me, and this silly arm race has gone too far. If a game like Crysis would halve the resources for graphics and put in towards gameplay and story instead, it might have been an enjoyable game. Everyone loses because consumers get worse games with pretty graphics, costing tons of money in arguably useless upgrades.

Whether or not GW2 should go with DirectX 11 hinges entirely on the cost. If it’s as trivial as recompiling, sure why not. If it means overhauling the entire engine for absolutely no reason, I’d rather they did not. Such resources are better spent elsewhere.

Why can’t people simply like the game for what it is. Chess has used Stanton pieces for over a century now, and most cosmetic “improvements” tend to flop hard. Pretty games ain’t automagically good.

Is there anyone in this thread who can claim with a straight game that GW2 doesn’t look good enough?

I actually think that Crysis (all parts) have definitely better story line telling than GW2.
Check i don’t even care for lore of gw2 bc it is written for childs. Gaah elder dragons waken up, everyone run for life!

Even dead story has a holes in it, i don’t even know whats going on. In terms of gameplay olny 1/wars (warhead) had decent multiplayer, howered i enjoyed single player in them and Crysis 3 was the best – just too bad its was short.

As for looking good.. I don’t think theres on market any different game with so many clipping issues, so go figure. A new game with clipping everywhere seriously..Its a shame for 2012 year game

wow its as if i was talking lol cannot agree more about clipping. I have never seen in my life a game with more clipping than gw2. I mean releasing a game with poorly sized swords that clip through ground (at least 1/5 of the sword size mind you) was just….. i couldn’t believe what i saw. i remember Warhorns being completely inside my rangers leg, like wtf? was anyone testing these thing or sup?

The peeps complaining about DX11 are the ones still running DX9 and fear they will loose out on the graphics end unless they open their wallets …

If they cannot have DX11, they don’t want anyone else to have it. Period.

marnick.4305:

Scoobaniec.9561:

marnick.4305:

I am probably biased since I still play Settlers 2 relatively often.

That said, I don’t care one bit about graphics. The Guild Wars 1 graphics were more than enough for me, and this silly arm race has gone too far. If a game like Crysis would halve the resources for graphics and put in towards gameplay and story instead, it might have been an enjoyable game. Everyone loses because consumers get worse games with pretty graphics, costing tons of money in arguably useless upgrades.

Whether or not GW2 should go with DirectX 11 hinges entirely on the cost. If it’s as trivial as recompiling, sure why not. If it means overhauling the entire engine for absolutely no reason, I’d rather they did not. Such resources are better spent elsewhere.

Why can’t people simply like the game for what it is. Chess has used Stanton pieces for over a century now, and most cosmetic “improvements” tend to flop hard. Pretty games ain’t automagically good.

Is there anyone in this thread who can claim with a straight game that GW2 doesn’t look good enough?

I actually think that Crysis (all parts) have definitely better story line telling than GW2.
Check i don’t even care for lore of gw2 bc it is written for childs. Gaah elder dragons waken up, everyone run for life!

Even dead story has a holes in it, i don’t even know whats going on. In terms of gameplay olny 1/wars (warhead) had decent multiplayer, howered i enjoyed single player in them and Crysis 3 was the best – just too bad its was short.

Agree to disagree? I didn’t like the game one bit. Generic thirteen in a dozen shooter with bland story and pretty graphics (which was the prime redeeming feature for everyone but me).

As for looking good.. I don’t think theres on market any different game with so many clipping issues, so go figure. A new game with clipping everywhere seriously..Its a shame for 2012 year game

GW2 is fun, I don’t mind clipping issues. Please focus on what’s important. Who sincerely cares about such silly details? Clipping issues exist in almost all games, and in MMOs they’re almost inevitable. And if you don’t find GW2 fun, fixing clipping won’t change that.

Heck, games like Dwarf Fortress and Uplink show just how irrelevant graphics are if the gameplay is good.

Hey i craft a legendary sword, takes me months, i spend all my money to see it clip through earth when stowed. Like wth??? Is this acceptable to you?

bri.2359:

The peeps complaining about DX11 are the ones still running DX9 and fear they will loose out on the graphics end unless they open their wallets …

If they cannot have DX11, they don’t want anyone else to have it. Period.

its an mmo, there’s bunch of casuals who think Alienware is awesome or a 450$ BestBuy computer that says “for gaming” think its good, so that’s normal.

bri.2359:

The peeps complaining about DX11 are the ones still running DX9 and fear they will loose out on the graphics end unless they open their wallets …

If they cannot have DX11, they don’t want anyone else to have it. Period.

I do have a decent DX11 capable videocard, but I’ve also seen a lot of shoddy games with good graphics, and good games with shoddy graphics. It simply doesn’t matter one bit to me, which is why I don’t want a.net to waste money on improving something which is already quite good.

That said, money is less of an issue to me than for a.net. A brand new videocard is 400 euro, also known as pocket change. Changing an entire engine could potentially cost millions, which is quite a bit. Those millions could probably be spent on more useful projects, given that the game already looks pretty good.

Nuka Cola.8520:

marnick.4305:

Scoobaniec.9561:

marnick.4305:

I am probably biased since I still play Settlers 2 relatively often.

That said, I don’t care one bit about graphics. The Guild Wars 1 graphics were more than enough for me, and this silly arm race has gone too far. If a game like Crysis would halve the resources for graphics and put in towards gameplay and story instead, it might have been an enjoyable game. Everyone loses because consumers get worse games with pretty graphics, costing tons of money in arguably useless upgrades.

Whether or not GW2 should go with DirectX 11 hinges entirely on the cost. If it’s as trivial as recompiling, sure why not. If it means overhauling the entire engine for absolutely no reason, I’d rather they did not. Such resources are better spent elsewhere.

Why can’t people simply like the game for what it is. Chess has used Stanton pieces for over a century now, and most cosmetic “improvements” tend to flop hard. Pretty games ain’t automagically good.

Is there anyone in this thread who can claim with a straight game that GW2 doesn’t look good enough?

I actually think that Crysis (all parts) have definitely better story line telling than GW2.
Check i don’t even care for lore of gw2 bc it is written for childs. Gaah elder dragons waken up, everyone run for life!

Even dead story has a holes in it, i don’t even know whats going on. In terms of gameplay olny 1/wars (warhead) had decent multiplayer, howered i enjoyed single player in them and Crysis 3 was the best – just too bad its was short.

Agree to disagree? I didn’t like the game one bit. Generic thirteen in a dozen shooter with bland story and pretty graphics (which was the prime redeeming feature for everyone but me).

As for looking good.. I don’t think theres on market any different game with so many clipping issues, so go figure. A new game with clipping everywhere seriously..Its a shame for 2012 year game

GW2 is fun, I don’t mind clipping issues. Please focus on what’s important. Who sincerely cares about such silly details? Clipping issues exist in almost all games, and in MMOs they’re almost inevitable. And if you don’t find GW2 fun, fixing clipping won’t change that.

Heck, games like Dwarf Fortress and Uplink show just how irrelevant graphics are if the gameplay is good.

Hey i craft a legendary sword, takes me months, i spend all my money to see it clip through earth when stowed. Like wth??? Is this acceptable to you?

You wouldn’t like the answer but I’ll give a hint. It’s not “no”.

Ill leave it just here.. Second ss show the ultra amazing quality of textures in GW2. Next 2 ss coming from Crysis 3.

Should i mention that i have highter FPS in Crysis 3 than in GW2?

Scoobaniec.9561:

Ill leave it just here.. Second ss show the ultra amazing quality of textures in GW2. Next 2 ss coming from Crysis 3.

Should i mention that i have highter FPS in Crysis 3 than in GW2?

lol your post reminds me of SW on gamespot and i agree completely. Many mmo players never even played a good looking game so to them playing gw2 in dx9 on medium/low is ‘good enough’

DX11 is FULLY backwards compatible with DX9.

Scoobaniec.9561:

Should i mention that i have highter FPS in Crysis 3 than in GW2?

You mean in Crysis 3 you are fighting in a place where 50vs50 players are fighting on your screen? Or 50vs1 in case of world bosses. I must’ve missed something.

Better take 3 screenshots of Crysis 3 with DX9, DX10 and DX11 so we see the difference

Scoobaniec.9561:

Ill leave it just here.. Second ss show the ultra amazing quality of textures in GW2. Next 2 ss coming from Crysis 3.

Should i mention that i have highter FPS in Crysis 3 than in GW2?

Exhibit A: Proving once again how gamers are not known for their intelligence.

Are you trying to tell US that a linear shooter that is less than 1/50 of the size of an MMO and whose only reason for existing is to showcase a powerful engine has better graphics and detail than an MMO, call the press.

are also trying to tell me that a game that has to render about 100+ players in one area (WvW),looks plain/flat compare to a game that doesn’t render more than 1 player with different armor, textures etc?

There is a lot for reason why guild wars 2 should go DirectX 11, i am sure, but the arguments you and your fellow “I hate gw2, but i am sure fluffy X would get me to the play game for 2 extra hours before I complain about something else” have valid reasons, but the arguments you guys are making are stupid.

ADDED: better graphics are nice which is why I use Sweetfx, but at least use some decent arguments and stop comparing a single player even with multiplayer mode to an MMO. Yes they are both games, just like apple and oranges are just fruits.

Seem GW2 will be DX9 for a long long time, From Face book

“For those of you who have been asking about DX11 support for Guild Wars 2, our goal with GW2 has always been to provide a gorgeous fantasy world while at the same time running on a wide range of gaming PCs.

Focusing on DX9 allows us to do this, as it’s a much wider supported graphics API than DX11 is and we wanted our game to reach as many of our fans as possible.

We will be evaluating supporting DX11 post launch. ~RB2”

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151048222709209&set=a.135044094208.103264.114036714208&type=1&theater

MasterYoda.8563:

Seem GW2 will be DX9 for a long long time, From Face book

“For those of you who have been asking about DX11 support for Guild Wars 2, our goal with GW2 has always been to provide a gorgeous fantasy world while at the same time running on a wide range of gaming PCs.

Focusing on DX9 allows us to do this, as it’s a much wider supported graphics API than DX11 is and we wanted our game to reach as many of our fans as possible.

We will be evaluating supporting DX11 post launch. ~RB2”

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151048222709209&set=a.135044094208.103264.114036714208&type=1&theater

And that’s bullkitten , since most , if not all PC games that can run on DX11 also have a DX9 option for people with older computers .

Lévis.5489

And that’s bullkitten , since most , if not all PC games that can run on DX11 also have a DX9 option for people with older computers .

Yeah I know and agree with you I just wish the devs will
eventually come around and see things like the rest of the gaming world does sooner than later.

Lévis.5489

And that’s bullkitten , since most , if not all PC games that can run on DX11 also have a DX9 option for people with older computers .

Of course, but what is stated in that quote is not why they didn’t have both DX11 and DX9, Just why it was released with DX9 rather than 11, which makes a lot of sense, since that does not exclude anyone.