Guild Wars 2

aye, dulfy makes things faceroll for us

but it’d only be impossible for the general public to get anything done if they were mentally incapable of running around a map

a more accurate statement would be the general public would moan all over the forums if dulfy didn’t take the work out of everything for them

I always wondered how Dulfy.net gets the solutions so quick. I noticed this with a few events that seemed really time consuming and difficult to say the least but the solution with fully edited videos are up the day after the event starts and sometimes the same day.

I try not to use guides as much as possible but I have looked to Dulfy.net several times to at least get an idea where to start.

Dulfy has access to the test server IIRC.

Scumbag Mawile.6384:

aye, dulfy makes things faceroll for us

but it’d only be impossible for the general public to get anything done if they were mentally incapable of running around a map

a more accurate statement would be the general public would moan all over the forums if dulfy didn’t take the work out of everything for them

You really think you could have done “Hunt the Dragon” achievement without Dulfy? Be honest because imo getting a Legendary might be even easier.

Butter.3024:

Scumbag Mawile.6384:

aye, dulfy makes things faceroll for us

but it’d only be impossible for the general public to get anything done if they were mentally incapable of running around a map

a more accurate statement would be the general public would moan all over the forums if dulfy didn’t take the work out of everything for them

You really think you could have done “Hunt the Dragon” achievement without Dulfy? Be honest because imo getting a Legendary might be even easier.

At worst it might take a few hours to do it on your own for each of the 3 areas.

Butter.3024:

It has been like this since forever but this Tequatl patch just push it over the top.

How the hell are we suppose to do the “Hunt the Dragon” achievement without Dulfy? .

We can’kittens just lazy design. This whole update is just lazy except for the change to the TEQ fight.

It is no different than finding the lost mementos in Flame and Frost. No different the Mariner plaques. Except for time. Try actually searching the maps…if you don’t find them all by the last day of the release, then use the guide. You would be surprised what you are capable of, and how much satisfaction you would feel! =)

I found 7 or 8 teeth on Sparkfly without visiting Dulfy. I did use the guide for remaining 2 or 3 because some of them were very difficult to find. It lets you explore the world. And if you have read the comments on the guide, you’ll know that Dulfy hasn’t found all clues by herself, just like all champion weapons data etc. Visitors help her in comments and she updates the guide accordingly. Now I wonder where did those players find the clues before Dulfy updated her site. Some folks have given a full map of Blazeridge and Frostgorge with all 10/10 clues. How did they find those clues without exploring?

JustTrogdor.7892:

I always wondered how Dulfy.net gets the solutions so quick. I noticed this with a few events that seemed really time consuming and difficult to say the least but the solution with fully edited videos are up the day after the event starts and sometimes the same day.

I try not to use guides as much as possible but I have looked to Dulfy.net several times to at least get an idea where to start.

Pretty sure he or she is on the private beta servers. Once the content goes live they are allowed to post whatever they like about it.

Shes not on a private server guys. When the new achievements came up Dulfy was there on a live server gathering all the information. We were all on Map Channel spreading out and finding all the teeth, claws, ect.

That is how she gets her information so quickly cause dozens of people are doing it & feeding the information to everyone else & then she takes that information & makes them into guides for the rest of the GW2 population who wants to use them.

we had a zerg of dozens of players on the very first tequatl event, and it took everyone 30-45 minutes to find all 10 teeth. now, if we isolated that to 1 player, it would take days and they could easily never find one or two of them. this is why people would moan on the forums. dulfy gets in with those zergs, and learns how everything is done because of the dozens of players doing the stuff. then dulfy builds the guides and posts them for everyone so that those individuals who could not be on during the first time events have a chance at finding them all. you always have the option of just not using the guides.

Dendail.4896:

Shes not on a private server guys. When the new achievements came up Dulfy was there on a live server gathering all the information. We were all on Map Channel spreading out and finding all the teeth, claws, ect.

That is how she gets her information so quickly cause dozens of people are doing it & feeding the information to everyone else & then she takes that information & makes them into guides for the rest of the GW2 population who wants to use them.

She IS on the GW2 BETA/test server and is documented, ask her next time.

Hm if thats true then it wasn’t for the Teq event stuff cause my server isn’t a Beta server.

Dendail.4896:

Hm if thats true then it wasn’t for the Teq event stuff cause my server isn’t a Beta server.

The only ones on this server are ANET and those invited to participate.

Butter.3024:

How the hell are we suppose to do the “Hunt the Dragon” achievement without Dulfy? …

Without Dulfy I seriously think it wouldnt have been possible for the general public to get anything done, except maybe the 0.1% most hardcore player in the game.

I did it without Dulfy. I always do these achievements without Dulfy. When I bug a game, I buy it to play it – not to follow step by step instructions in some guide. What’s the sense in that? I also don’t feel I’m a hardcore player…

Its easier just to not care about achievements and annoying flapping Shatterer Wing reskins.

I’m more surprised someone at ANet obviously thought finding 10 random locations on a map was considered engaging game-play and worth a random achievement.

I mean really?

Dee Jay.2460:

I’m more surprised someone at ANet obviously thought finding 10 random locations on a map was considered engaging game-play and worth a random achievement.

I mean really?

It’s obviously just filler. Seems like after all the complaints that stuff was coming out too fast they decided to settle it done for a while before they hit us with all the holiday stuff in the next 3 months.

And then there is all the skills/weapons, secret legendary items they talked about, and ascended armors in the same time frame too.

Maybe it’s just the calm before the storm.

I found all without guide. But it took me and friends till earlier today to find them all. The idea is have other people help you. We have 4 in our party, and divided each zone for each player.

Is it hard? Nope.
Is it fun? We made it fun by betting who can find most in our assigned zones.
Is it tedious? Very!

I’d say, this is easier than Mariner. We never knew that one missing piece is out of L.A. zone.

The only two differences between dulfy and the rest of the playerbase are:

- the intelligence to figure what clues mean
- the persistence to hunt for the solution

You honestly believe that it would be impossible without Dulfy?

Within hours after a patch, the new spawn locations of Orichalcum, Ancient wood, Omnomberries, etc etc are spread all over the internet. What makes those needles less hard to find in the said haystack?

Two whole weeks to find 10 clues in 3 maps is surely not over the top. You have never searched for Guild mission bosses or that one elusive point of interest then?

Too much drama, too little sense.

Evans.6347:

You honestly believe that it would be impossible without Dulfy?

Within hours after a patch, the new spawn locations of Orichalcum, Ancient wood, Omnomberries, etc etc are spread all over the internet. What makes those needles less hard to find in the said haystack?

Two whole weeks to find 10 clues in 3 maps is surely not over the top. You have never searched for Guild mission bosses or that one elusive point of interest then?

Too much drama, too little sense.

To be fair most people who map those node locations know the general areas where they’ll be pretty well.

Still you’re exactly right.

Evans.6347:

You honestly believe that it would be impossible without Dulfy?

Within hours after a patch, the new spawn locations of Orichalcum, Ancient wood, Omnomberries, etc etc are spread all over the internet. What makes those needles less hard to find in the said haystack?

Two whole weeks to find 10 clues in 3 maps is surely not over the top. You have never searched for Guild mission bosses or that one elusive point of interest then?

Too much drama, too little sense.

In defense of the material node surveyors: they show up on your mini-map when you are near them, and can hover your cursor over those different gathering nodes to find out what they are even before getting anywhere close to them. There is a lot more to go off of for gathering nodes than there were for the Hunt the Dragons achievements.

The “clues of dragons” aren’t really all that difficult to find, considering they are all in fixed locations, and although tedious and time consuming to find all of them, aren’t all that difficult to find without the use of dulfy.

It would have been nice to have more a scavenger hunt with clues as to where they were located though, rather than “we tossed 10 things out there on this map; have at it.”

Personally, I liked the flame and frost scavenger hunt a lot better. The pieces you found then actually felt like they had some significance relevant to a story of some sort and there weren’t nearly as many of them. The “clues of dragons” on the other hand just feel really, really haphazardly placed.

Also, it doesn’t really help that a significant portion of the player base seem to think that everything should just be handed to them without any effort whatsoever… hollow victories with no real significance (no skill, no effort, no teamwork required; otherwise lets just complain if we actually have to do something).

I’m really indifferent either way though; I sometimes use the dulfy guides, but I also will make things pointlessly difficult for myself from time to time just because I can…

Dulfy gets the majority of her information by tapping in to a large population willing to go out and find things. There has been 2 times that I know of where she and other press representatives got a sneak peak. All other times you can actually see data being added to the knowledge as more people do and find things. Just because you don’t look around does not mean that everyone does the same and only gets handed the information from developers.

We have few similar achievements: “Hunt the Dragon”, “Cleaning Up the Neighborhood”, “Speedy Reader”, “History Buff”, “Dive Master”. First one has hard time-gates. Guess which achievements do players will do with fun?

The godawful way the message was delivered meant I didnt find Rox until AFTER I had all the hunt the dragon elements. This game gives you tasks which are easy enough, but an almost impossible chance of working out how to commence those tasks.

You guys probably should have been there the first evening. Everyone ran around Sparkfly Fen trying to find the teeth, happily announcing on the entire map that a tooth was found near ______. It only lasted for 30 minutes or so, but it was quite fun, as everyone ran all over the map.
Then this happened: Dulfy started making her Guide, and soon the map chat was empty. People knew where to go, and just got it overwith. As much as I LOVE Dulfy, it also ruins some of the great teamwork that allowed me to find 7/10 before her guide. Of course this is not aimed at Dulfy, nor any guide for that matter. The simple reason that “find 10 things” is boring is because with guides it’s just a fetch quest that no one wants to bother figuring out themselves. So no. Dulfy is not everything we have. She just trivializes some achievements.

She’s doing an amazing job though

Found every single clue in Sparkfly without dulfy. At first day people were all scouting the map and calling out to each other on the map chat every time they would find one. It was fun!

Stuff like this should take days, instead of hours. Back in the days, people used gaming cheats and codes, or used gamepro magazines to progress. Now we have Dulfy. Guides have always been there, but it’s not impossible.

I tried doing this on my own, but then I kept thinking about the 2 week time limit, and that just pushes me to Dulfy. 2 weeks may seem like a lot of time, but you have to factor in real life.

It’s not like jumping puzzles where I look forward to figuring out on my own at my own pace. And if I can’t figure it out, I’ll just come back some other day.

There should have been some clues about where to find the teeth or scales. Something like “Tequatl has been terrorizing the waters. Look for clues along the coastal areas”, or maybe a scavenger hunt where one clue leads to the next.

I thought it was a step back from the Bazaar scavenger hunt. You can pretty much figure out where the crystals are just by looking, just need to work on how to jump to find them.

On one hand I like these kinds of fetch mission, which are a nice departure from the regular stuff. But I liked the F&F implementation better. Three randomized spawns which had to be brought back to an NPC.

The Bazaar hunt was also a superior way of doing it. Took me a while but eventually go it.

Scumbag Mawile.6384:

aye, dulfy makes things faceroll for us

So don’t use the website, and waste your own time, thanks.

but it’d only be impossible for the general public to get anything done if they were mentally incapable of running around a map

My issue is even simpler than that. I’ve Been There. Done That. I have no interest in wandering all over Tyria’s half acre wondering where Anet has hidden “clues to the dragon”. I have my clue card. 100 players show up every couple of hours to kill them, and I know where those players go.

Even with Dulfy’s guide I have no interest in this one.

As for the Tequatl event these days, I was sick and tired of the Risen mobs the first time I ran through Orr and I almost never go back there, even since it was supposedly “fixed”. I would note, Orr was supposedly “fixed” by the same guy who is currently “fixing” WvW, which leaves me with very little hope for WvW.

I always attempt every LS achievement without Dulfy. That generally lasts about an hour lol. My problem is that some of these items can be literally anywhere, I’d like to think that my search would be limited only to ground or easily accessible areas, when in reality the items are underwater, up on a cliff that requires some sort of jumping, you know areas that you likely would think to yourself “well they wouldn’t put anything up there that would be crazy!” Yea no, it’s totally up in that area.

It really makes it so you have to search the ENTIRE map to find these items. Most people I know just want the achieves and move on, and god bless dulfy for that.

Same goes for SAB baubles. Since there is no counter I’ve made it to the end of a level and was confident I had gotten every bauble. LOL nope you missed one maybe two, heck could even be ten, you don’t know. Gotta checklist it through dulfy to be sure.

Definitely a hole in the design.

I tried finding the dragon teeth in Sparkfly without using Dulfy. Did about 3 and decided, meh, this is boring. Running around holding down the ‘highlight enemies’ button is not engaging content imo. Pulled up Dulfy, got it done and then when off to do something fun.

It’s ok they give us easy and boring stuff as long as they mix in harder, more interesting content. But don’t expect people to do the boring checklist content without a guide.

I think some of this is out of evolution of the genre.

I remember back when UO was launched, my friends and I bought the big Origin guide (Prima guides, remember those? They might even be around still for some games, often times almost as fun perusing the materials as the games themselves). But within a month or two, the guide wasn’t much good because everything changed.

So fan sites started to crop up to handle the changing information, which means the developer or publisher didn’t have to worry about it so much. As time went on, some started just putting ‘community’ menus on their page to take you to a page with a list of some of the best community sites with databases and wikis and walk throughs. If the community will do it, why spend the money on it yourself?

Plus, the community really seems to ‘like’ to do it, and their product is usually really good. Dulfy stands out because of the quality and speed of new information. If you hunt around enough, you can find people with youtube videos and other small sites that have lots of great information as well, perhaps theory crafting on a single class.

I don’t think it’s ‘lazy’ so much, it’s pretty common in the genre to not spend too much time with it. It gives those people who like to spend a lot of time figuring it out for themselves something to do, and those of us (me included) who would rather follow along with a guide places to go for that as well. And it gives the community of people who love to create sites that center around guides for various game something to sink their teeth into as well.

MMO players like to have their hands held OP.

The reasons of why most people play an MMO is very contradicting to why they actually should play an MMO. These people would probably have much more fun in a game like farmville. The only reason they don’t play farmville is because the lack of social interaction.

Dulfy is for people who are either very lazy or blind and can’t see anything on the ground. If you weren’t going to spend the time to find them on your own , then you, sir or mam, are very lazy.

Its not really a scavenger hunt if there are red circles on a map telling you where they are now is it?

While I enjoy exploration and scavenger’s hunts (did those from Halloween, Southsun and Flame & Frost, did 100% of SAB W1 all without guides) I used dulfy for this one because it has to be the most dull one I’ve ever seen.

No clues, random locations, a grand total of 3 different items with zero flavor text… Yeah. Rushed.

Vayne.8563:

Be glad you guys didn’t play RPGs back in the day. You’d have run screaming off into the night.

I get your point, but games like Everquest had a ton of websites which people used regularly, like Allakhazam, EQmaps and many others. The game would have been borderline unplayable without them. Try figuring out an epic quest on your own, for example.

Having the maps in-game is a great improvement compared to early Everquest 1. It would be a great improvement if GW2 didn’t need Dulfy and sites like gw2stuff.com (to keep track of world events). They were greatly dependant on gw2lfg.com for a long time, but having it in-game has been such a great improvement.

This latest scavenger hunt reminded me of the hidden packages in the old GTA games. Good luck being able to do that without a guide. Of course it was a whole lot worse in GTA, but it has the same feel to it. No hints at all and some are really hidden and easy to miss.

colesy.8490:

Dulfy has access to the test server IIRC.

I dont know if THATS true..but if it is, thats BS. A friggin dev gives a person who runs a fansite special access to content before it comes out?

Silly.

I am grateful for Dulfy’s guides, but at the same time they take the challenge of completing the tasks completely out of the equation, I mean I’ve used the guides for Guild missions and such but I do prefer to be challenged and not given out freebies, lol.

cesmode.4257:

colesy.8490:

Dulfy has access to the test server IIRC.

I dont know if THATS true..but if it is, thats BS. A friggin dev gives a person who runs a fansite special access to content before it comes out?

Silly.

It’s extremely common in the business to let media outlets have a sneak peak at upcoming content.

Butter.3024:

Without Dulfy I seriously think it wouldnt have been possible for the general public to get anything done, except maybe the 0.1% most hardcore player in the game.

if you want to find all the dragon scales/tooths etc by yourself then yes – it would be almost not possible and incredibly boring …yes even more boring than it is now while wathing red circles on the map on Dulfy on the second monitor.

But the general idea behind MMO is that there are hundreds of other players and finding 9 dragon scales for 100 players on the map using map chat is not that hard – and imho this is what Anet is thinking that ppl will do while adding such conntent – yes they are very naive. Generally Dulfy/wiki kills all the social aspects of the game that Anet try to create.

colesy.8490:

Dulfy has access to the test server IIRC.

What a beautiful irony :

During the queen jubilee update , I received an infraction from a moderator for ‘’promoting/Advertising false informations’’

My fault : I quoted a small paragraph from Dulfy website about the VIP tickets.

There is a big gap in communication and how information is transmitted to the players in this game and this is a clear example.

Butter.3024:

It has been like this since forever but this Tequatl patch just push it over the top.

How the hell are we suppose to do the “Hunt the Dragon” achievement without Dulfy? It is like finding a needle at the bottom of the sea. Anet is getting lazy and just throw out there “oh hey there are 10 small things in this map hope u find it” instead of giving us clues or anything.

Without Dulfy I seriously think it wouldnt have been possible for the general public to get anything done, except maybe the 0.1% most hardcore player in the game.

As other’s have said, we’ve had several other similar achievements, and all have been doable without Dulfy (F&F collectibles, 40 crystals for Bizarre, etc). These simply require you to go explore a specific map. Is that really so hard? It tells you which maps to go to, it tells you how many you need to find. Ok sure, for sparkly fen, perhaps they should have labeled the teeth as “dragon tooth” for consistency.

Dulfy is a crutch which people lean on because they assume they won’t be able to do it without it. It is completely doable without said crutch, but most are not even willing to try.

Well, finding the scales in Frostgorge seems doable without help…due to how large they are. But those teeth in sparkfly? If the whole map worked together, maybe, but they are tiny. Even with the guides I had trouble finding some. Hard to find stuff is fine…Im still mizzing half my explorer and JPs, but they arent dissapearing in 2-5 weeks.

Wouldnt it be great on the next scavenger if Dulfy and other sites delayed for 2 days before posting the guides, I can see these forums now, Ateam, this is to hard, we cant findany of them, QQ, kitten, /ragequit.

It seems that most would fall apart without a guide. But definately, this is what used to bring the community together, now it seems like it seperates the community more and more.

I enjoy Dulfy’s site tremendously, but can now see how sites similar which give spoilers definately become a crutch or a way of seperating the community.

I ran around Frostgorge for like an hour, didn’t find any of the thingies besides the one by the Jormag spawn, then decided it was a silly quest and I was wasting time.

I’ve stopped using Dulfy for stuff like that, so I just end up doing less stuff in game.

In my opinion Dulfy is amazing.It really helped me with some hard achievements