Guild Wars 2

As has been stated numerous times, account bound legendaries are not the point of contention. Being able to use the same legendary in both hands, thereby creating the illusion that you have built two when you in fact only built one, is.

BIRDPUNCHER.8263:

As has been stated numerous times, account bound legendaries are not the point of contention. Being able to use the same legendary in both hands, thereby creating the illusion that you have built two when you in fact only built one, is.

You… don’t see the selfishness and superiority complex in this statement? I got it this way so EVERYONE has to get it this way mommy!

BIRDPUNCHER.8263:

As has been stated numerous times, account bound legendaries are not the point of contention. Being able to use the same legendary in both hands, thereby creating the illusion that you have built two when you in fact only built one, is.

And if someone buys 2 Incinerators, should s/he be able to dual-wield them? If s/he builds one Incinerator and buys the other, is it ok then?

The argument you present hinges on the premise that having a Legendary is an achievement that you earn, and that those who have not earned it should not have access to the same look. However, since Legendaries are purchasable on the TP by anyone who pays enough, that premise doesn’t stand.

Since ANet has always allowed the look of a Legendary to be achieved by someone who hasn’t built it, why would they prevent someone who has 1 Legendary the appearance of having 2?

kmortonson.2154:

And if someone buys 2 Incinerators, should s/he be able to dual-wield them? If s/he builds one Incinerator and buys the other, is it ok then?

The argument you present hinges on the premise that having a Legendary is an achievement that you earn, and that those who have not earned it should not have access to the same look. However, since Legendaries are purchasable on the TP by anyone who pays enough, that premise doesn’t stand.

Since ANet has always allowed the look of a Legendary to be achieved by someone who hasn’t built it, why would they prevent someone who has 1 Legendary the appearance of having 2?

You aren’t going to get through to these people, all they are mad about is people are going to be able to be as “special” as them even if they haven’t put in the work to make a second.

sirflamesword.3896:

BIRDPUNCHER.8263:

As has been stated numerous times, account bound legendaries are not the point of contention. Being able to use the same legendary in both hands, thereby creating the illusion that you have built two when you in fact only built one, is.

You… don’t see the selfishness and superiority complex in this statement? I got it this way so EVERYONE has to get it this way mommy!

Let’s treat this situation in a more civilized way.

Honestly, the part where you can use the same legendary in both hands, creating the illusion that you have built two when you in fact only built one, is the part I am going on about.

I don’t mind the Legendaries being skins you can just transmute onto other weapons, but it only matters for dual wielding weapons. So if they made it so you can’t dual wield copies unless you have two of the exact weapon, would that sound more fair? Most people care about the skins bit, and I’m not saying to remove it, I’m saying, they should add a condition for dual wielding Legendary skins (for dual wield weapons such as Incinerators and Bolts) so that you must have two in order to dual wield, hence there is no illusion of having two legendaries when in fact you only made/own one.

kmortonson.2154:

BIRDPUNCHER.8263:

As has been stated numerous times, account bound legendaries are not the point of contention. Being able to use the same legendary in both hands, thereby creating the illusion that you have built two when you in fact only built one, is.

And if someone buys 2 Incinerators, should s/he be able to dual-wield them? If s/he builds one Incinerator and buys the other, is it ok then?

The argument you present hinges on the premise that having a Legendary is an achievement that you earn, and that those who have not earned it should not have access to the same look. However, since Legendaries are purchasable on the TP by anyone who pays enough, that premise doesn’t stand.

Since ANet has always allowed the look of a Legendary to be achieved by someone who hasn’t built it, why would they prevent someone who has 1 Legendary the appearance of having 2?

Buy, build, whatever. You knew what I meant: the person in this situation owns two physical legendaries and therefore dual-wields them. Saving up the 2k+ gold required to buy a legendary is also a feat. However, obtaining only one legendary should not allow you to wield two.

I crafted exactly two Legendarys … Incinerator … Twice … Congratulations. Not because of the stats, neither to change them. Haven’t changed them once since initial use. Just because of the look. And now I’m hearing that all the grind to get them was useless.

It would be the same, as if everybody who crafted Twilight or Sunrise would get Eternity for free. Half effort, doubled outcome.

I think it would be fair to get a legendary token for the duplicate Legendarys to trade them for another.

If the update will come as it seems and there won’t be a compensation, it had been the last time i bought something in the shop for cash. I’d prefer to spend my ingame money there …

I do agree that people who have made duplicate legendaries should be compensated in some way but the whole I made 2 you need to make 2 to dual wield seems a bit juvenile.

We still haven’t talked about crafting Eternity to unlock Twilight and Sunrise skins and selling it for 4000g

Is that fair?

BIRDPUNCHER.8263:

Buy, build, whatever. You knew what I meant: the person in this situation owns two physical legendaries and therefore dual-wields them. Saving up the 2k+ gold required to buy a legendary is also a feat. However, obtaining only one legendary should not allow you to wield two.

Saving up the gold? It can take less than 2 minutes to get the gold to buy a legendary – it just takes a credit card. A legendary has NEVER been the mark of prestige it was originally intended to be since they can be bought on the TP and you can buy gems and convert them to gold.

If you have put the time and effort into building the same legendary twice, you will still know it. Your friends and guildmates will still know it. Will the random person running by in the world know? No – but they never knew it in the first place, since they had no way of knowing if you built or bought your legendaries. You still have the BiS benefits, the stat-swapping benefits, and the look of the dual legendaries. The only thing that will change is that others will have that look too. Will they have put the same effort into it as you? No, but how is that different from someone putting $500 – $1000 in gem purchases on a credit card and buying a second legendary?

Reminiscent Valkyrie.3109:

We still haven’t talked about crafting Eternity to unlock Twilight and Sunrise skins and selling it for 4000g

Is that fair?

I feel like an easy fix for this would be if the person binds twilight/sunrise prior to the creation of eternity that eternity also because bound upon creation.

9 pages and there haven’t been many solutions offered. Just people bickering back and forth. A lot of people have duplicate legendaries and they feel cheated for spending the time and money to make them. Don’t discount their feelings just because you don’t feel the same way. Offer solution instead.

I’m going to shamelessly plug my proposal again because I’m sure a lot of people have passed over it (click the spoiler):

Uhm, can we put this debate into proportion for once?

I understand the suggestion to make it so you need two originals in order to have two copies active at the same time, I do.

But look at it this way. For someone with the funds to make two Incinerators (or anything else, really, but let’s take this as an example), the amount of gold “wasted” on this second skin (which it apparently is to a lot of people) is huge.
Now, let’s say someone who plays (and thus farms less and gets less valuable drops) bought two of Bonetti’s Rapier, which is currently at about 18g. For this person, those 18g are a huge amount of ig-money, too. But I don’t see those people demanding a refund, even though those 18g might very well be 50% of their total gold. So where do you want to draw the line, people-demanding-the-restriction? A certain rarity level? TP price? Only certain skins? And what about gemshop items? I’m sure happy I don’t have to buy the phoenix set a second time.

The point is that this restriction would punish people with less time and thus gold more severely, simply because they don’t have the funds to buy everything twice. The people complaining in this thread already have two skins of their favourite legendary. In fact, this means that the “punishment” is dealt against those who are happy they don’t have to buy this kitten rapier twice (yeah, I’d be one of those people).
Do you want the wardrobe to be an “elite function” by forcing people to buy things twice, thus defeating its purpose entirely?

Edit: Vagrant, as reasonable as those suggestions are, I think there are far too few players with legendaries who actually care about this issue to make this “lot of coding” worth it. I’m not discounting anyone’s feelings, but it’s a cold fact that implementing those changes you suggested for a handful of players is way too much effort.

Tigerlily.3765:

This change is very exciting for 90% of people with legendaries. I have two, and am excited even though I do not plan to put them on all my characters including a fine version on my lvl 2

I suspect it will cost more transmutation charges for skins of purple rarity, and of course, will not come with ascended mutable stats (as said).

If you made two of the same legend, that sucks, but you a) lose nothing b) got to enjoy those two skins for the past X amount of time while no one else had them c) live with the decision to do so – I regret dearly vending lord knows how many stacks of silk (and a million other things of this nature).

I have a friend who made his second incin last week. He was kind of bummed, but the excitement about being able to share all his skins across characters (he has 4 or so legends and lots of gem store skins) outweighed the time lost on 2nd incin.

Game changes are always going to have some downsides, but I am more excited for this patch than anything that has come out! Being able to collect all the skins and customize looks across alts with ease will be very satisfying!

There doesn’t have to be a downside. And for the 100th time stat swapping is not worth 2500g it is the skin we bought and now everyone with 1 legendary is being given a extra 2500g skin.

hazenvirus.8154:

There doesn’t have to be a downside. And for the 100th time stat swapping is not worth 2500g it is the skin we bought and now everyone with 1 legendary is being given a extra 2500g skin.

Please stop this. You wouldn’t buy this skin alone for 2,5k. It’s the combination of all the things that make a legendary a legendary. If it really is just a skin, then I suppose Anet could just make them all exotics or ascended, make the skins 100% cosmetic and nobody would complain.
No? Then stop telling those who point out one of the advantages a legendary has to shut up. It’s just as valid an argument as “I put a lot of time and effort into making a second X legendary, I feel cheated”.

Red Queen.7915:

hazenvirus.8154:

There doesn’t have to be a downside. And for the 100th time stat swapping is not worth 2500g it is the skin we bought and now everyone with 1 legendary is being given a extra 2500g skin.

Please stop this. You wouldn’t buy this skin alone for 2,5k. It’s the combination of all the things that make a legendary a legendary. If it really is just a skin, then I suppose Anet could just make them all exotics or ascended, make the skins 100% cosmetic and nobody would complain.
No? Then stop telling those who point out one of the advantages a legendary has to shut up. It’s just as valid an argument as “I put a lot of time and effort into making a second X legendary, I feel cheated”.

It is also a valid argument that games change and if everything is to be connected to what players have done, the game will _never _ evolve.

Red Queen.7915:

hazenvirus.8154:

There doesn’t have to be a downside. And for the 100th time stat swapping is not worth 2500g it is the skin we bought and now everyone with 1 legendary is being given a extra 2500g skin.

Please stop this. You wouldn’t buy this skin alone for 2,5k. It’s the combination of all the things that make a legendary a legendary. If it really is just a skin, then I suppose Anet could just make them all exotics or ascended, make the skins 100% cosmetic and nobody would complain.
No? Then stop telling those who point out one of the advantages a legendary has to shut up. It’s just as valid an argument as “I put a lot of time and effort into making a second X legendary, I feel cheated”.

Actually before they made them ascended many people did buy the skin alone and transmuted it onto their ideal gear… and that’s why I got two. They could make them cosmetic only and I wouldn’t mind at all,

nGumball.1283:

Red Queen.7915:

hazenvirus.8154:

There doesn’t have to be a downside. And for the 100th time stat swapping is not worth 2500g it is the skin we bought and now everyone with 1 legendary is being given a extra 2500g skin.

Please stop this. You wouldn’t buy this skin alone for 2,5k. It’s the combination of all the things that make a legendary a legendary. If it really is just a skin, then I suppose Anet could just make them all exotics or ascended, make the skins 100% cosmetic and nobody would complain.
No? Then stop telling those who point out one of the advantages a legendary has to shut up. It’s just as valid an argument as “I put a lot of time and effort into making a second X legendary, I feel cheated”.

It is also a valid argument that games change and if everything is to be connected to what players have done, the game will _never _ evolve.

The game can evolve just fine without making dual legendaries useless.

hazenvirus.8154:

The game can evolve just fine without making dual legendaries useless.

The game can evolve in any way, “Just don’t make me look less special!”.

Red Queen.7915:

hazenvirus.8154:

There doesn’t have to be a downside. And for the 100th time stat swapping is not worth 2500g it is the skin we bought and now everyone with 1 legendary is being given a extra 2500g skin.

Please stop this. You wouldn’t buy this skin alone for 2,5k. It’s the combination of all the things that make a legendary a legendary. If it really is just a skin, then I suppose Anet could just make them all exotics or ascended, make the skins 100% cosmetic and nobody would complain.
No? Then stop telling those who point out one of the advantages a legendary has to shut up. It’s just as valid an argument as “I put a lot of time and effort into making a second X legendary, I feel cheated”.

I have two incinerators and definitely did not make both for the stat changes. I made it so I could have the look of two incinerators. If this system was already In place I would have made Bolt instead of the second incinerator. So yes something needs to be done.

I don’t think that the only people with 2 of items can duel wield is the answer. And think this topic got off track because the people that are arguing against are more then likely the ones scared of losing their ability to skin a second incinerator or bolt

I think the answer is to refund us our mats so we can make what we want or unbind so we can sell the second.

those 2 options shouldn’t make you have so much hate for us that feel like we need to be compensated.

hazenvirus.8154:

nGumball.1283:

Red Queen.7915:

hazenvirus.8154:

There doesn’t have to be a downside. And for the 100th time stat swapping is not worth 2500g it is the skin we bought and now everyone with 1 legendary is being given a extra 2500g skin.

Please stop this. You wouldn’t buy this skin alone for 2,5k. It’s the combination of all the things that make a legendary a legendary. If it really is just a skin, then I suppose Anet could just make them all exotics or ascended, make the skins 100% cosmetic and nobody would complain.
No? Then stop telling those who point out one of the advantages a legendary has to shut up. It’s just as valid an argument as “I put a lot of time and effort into making a second X legendary, I feel cheated”.

It is also a valid argument that games change and if everything is to be connected to what players have done, the game will _never _ evolve.

The game can evolve just fine without making dual legendaries useless.

They aren’t useless, you still got the stats and the capability to change. It is not about yours becoming useless but the fact that you don’t want others to get them easier.

The audience liking the changes is the majority, I don’t see them going back with the system. Some compensations maybe given and it would be more fair that way, otherwise, all that ‘’I want my money’’ comments, come after every single patch, in every single MMO.

nGumball.1283:

They aren’t useless, you still got the stats and the capability to change. It is not about yours becoming useless but the fact that you don’t want others to get them easier.

This guy gets it. No one is LOSING ANYTHING with these changes, you feel like you are losing something because you think having 2 of the same legendary makes you look “elite” or “special”. It’s also selfishness, because instead of letting people have a new and easier way to get something that was tedious and annoying, you want to keep it the same because you had to go through that.

I love this change, the less grind the better.

People are just complaining because now they become less ‘special’.
I can understand people wanting compensation though, unbinding all legendaries would be a nice fix.

sirflamesword.3896:

nGumball.1283:

They aren’t useless, you still got the stats and the capability to change. It is not about yours becoming useless but the fact that you don’t want others to get them easier.

This guy gets it. No one is LOSING ANYTHING with these changes, you feel like you are losing something because you think having 2 of the same legendary makes you look “elite” or “special”. It’s also selfishness, because instead of letting people have a new and easier way to get something that was tedious and annoying, you want to keep it the same because you had to go through that.

I like the wardrobe and dont want it to be changed. I just want compensated.

I have two incinerators and definitely did not make both for the stat changes. I made it so I could have the look of two incinerators. If this system was already In place I would have made Bolt instead of the second incinerator. So yes something needs to be done.

I don’t think that the only people with 2 of items can duel wield is the answer. And think this topic got off track because the people that are arguing against are more then likely the ones scared of losing their ability to skin a second incinerator or bolt

I think the answer is to refund us our mats so we can make what we want or unbind so we can sell the second.

those 2 options shouldn’t make you have so much hate for us, that feel like we need to be compensated.

Red Queen.7915:

hazenvirus.8154:

There doesn’t have to be a downside. And for the 100th time stat swapping is not worth 2500g it is the skin we bought and now everyone with 1 legendary is being given a extra 2500g skin.

Please stop this. You wouldn’t buy this skin alone for 2,5k. It’s the combination of all the things that make a legendary a legendary. If it really is just a skin, then I suppose Anet could just make them all exotics or ascended, make the skins 100% cosmetic and nobody would complain.
No? Then stop telling those who point out one of the advantages a legendary has to shut up. It’s just as valid an argument as “I put a lot of time and effort into making a second X legendary, I feel cheated”.

Yes, we would. In fact, until August or so of last year, all legendaries had fixed Exotic stats!

sirflamesword.3896:

nGumball.1283:

They aren’t useless, you still got the stats and the capability to change. It is not about yours becoming useless but the fact that you don’t want others to get them easier.

This guy gets it. No one is LOSING ANYTHING with these changes, you feel like you are losing something because you think having 2 of the same legendary makes you look “elite” or “special”. It’s also selfishness, because instead of letting people have a new and easier way to get something that was tedious and annoying, you want to keep it the same because you had to go through that.

Wanting a free 2500g skin isn’t selfish, but already having two and wanting compensation or a way to keep that value is selfish. I see.

hazenvirus.8154:

sirflamesword.3896:

nGumball.1283:

They aren’t useless, you still got the stats and the capability to change. It is not about yours becoming useless but the fact that you don’t want others to get them easier.

This guy gets it. No one is LOSING ANYTHING with these changes, you feel like you are losing something because you think having 2 of the same legendary makes you look “elite” or “special”. It’s also selfishness, because instead of letting people have a new and easier way to get something that was tedious and annoying, you want to keep it the same because you had to go through that.

Wanting a free 2500g skin isn’t selfish, but already having two and wanting compensation or a way to keep that value is selfish. I see.

Down with the 1%, et cetera et cetera. I’m honestly surprised that nobody has compared us to Republicans and free health care yet. d:

Hi, I am a dual incinerators owner myself and I came up with an example that might help the opposing view see why some people such as myself feel bumped out by this change.

Suppose there is a Player A and a Player B, both decided to craft two legendaries. Player A crafted a Frostfang for his warrior and an Incinerator for his thief while Player B decided to go for the distinct look of 2 Incinerators on his necro. Both Frostfang and Incinerator cost roughly the same (2,500+gold), both players went through roughly the same amout of effort to procure the legendaries and are happy with the outcome.

Now April 15th arrives – Player A is now able to copy his Frostfang and Incinerators to all his alts and can also have the distinctive look of dual wielding both legendaries. Player B can only duplicate Incinerator to his alts. In this example, the wardrobe change favors players with different legendaries while players with duplicate legendaries are at an “disadvantage”. I saw people argued that people with two Incinerators (Player B ) still have 2 purple rank weapons that allow stat change…but think about this, in my example, player A ALSO have 2 purple rank weapons (Frostfang and Incinerator). So, both players have exactly the same perk in term of the convenience of legendaries BUT Player A now have unlocked TWO legendary skins that he can duplicate as long as he has the charges while Player B only has 1 legendary skin unlocked. Both players have gone through the same efforts and commitment for two legendaries, but Player A have access to 2 distinct skins AND can dual wield (this really defeats Player B’s initial motivation to go for two Incinerators).

At the end:

Player A has 2 purple weapons for stat change (original frostfang and inci) and can now give Frostfang and Incinerator to his warrior, ele, necro, ranger, etc and dual wield in some cases.

Player B also has 2 purple weapons for stat change (2 incis) but can only unlock more Incinerators for his alts.

I fall under Player B and is quite bumped out by this change…If I knew this was the case, I would have crafted a different legendary and unlock that skin for all my alts instead of ending with 2 of the same one…

Best solution would be the one already mentioned: Only allow dual wielding if the account has 2 Incinerators/bolts/quips. If the account only has one, allow duplicating but all the toons cannot dual wield.

I also saw some people giving the analogy of store offering two for the price of one argument. I think in that case, the cost of the item should be considered as well. If I go to the store and saw apples I bought last night is now half price, I would just say “Man, wish I did not get those apples last night” and move on. But imagine me spending $50k on a Lexus and a few months later Lexus announces the car is now half price. I would immediately drive to the dealer with all the other buyers and demand refund/compensation of some sort.

I hope my little example helps shed some light on the disappointment. And if I am wrong, feel free to correct me.

Thanks for reading!

Honestly, being able to unbind duplicate Legendary Weapons will take care of 99% of the fuss, is consistent with past policy, and is easily managed through the existing Support system.

lets just pretend they’ll do the right thing and table the issue until the 15th?

Senbonzakura.9035:

Hi, I am a dual incinerators owner myself and I came up with an example that might help the opposing view see why some people such as myself feel bumped out by this change.

Suppose there is a Player A and a Player B, both decided to craft two legendaries. Player A crafted a Frostfang for his warrior and an Incinerator for his thief while Player B decided to go for the distinct look of 2 Incinerators on his necro. Both Frostfang and Incinerator cost roughly the same (2,500+gold), both players went through roughly the same amout of effort to procure the legendaries and are happy with the outcome.

Now April 15th arrives – Player A is now able to copy his Frostfang and Incinerators to all his alts and can also have the distinctive look of dual wielding both legendaries. Player B can only duplicate Incinerator to his alts. In this example, the wardrobe change favors players with different legendaries while players with duplicate legendaries are at an “disadvantage”. I saw people argued that people with two Incinerators (Player B ) still have 2 purple rank weapons that allow stat change…but think about this, in my example, player A ALSO have 2 purple rank weapons (Frostfang and Incinerator). So, both players have exactly the same perk in term of the convenience of legendaries BUT Player A now have unlocked TWO legendary skins that he can duplicate as long as he has the charges while Player B only has 1 legendary skin unlocked. Both players have gone through the same efforts and commitment for two legendaries, but Player A have access to 2 distinct skins AND can dual wield (this really defeats Player B’s initial motivation to go for two Incinerators).

At the end:

Player A has 2 purple weapons for stat change (original frostfang and inci) and can now give Frostfang and Incinerator to his warrior, ele, necro, ranger, etc and dual wield in some cases.

Player B also has 2 purple weapons for stat change (2 incis) but can only unlock more Incinerators for his alts.

I fall under Player B and is quite bumped out by this change…If I knew this was the case, I would have crafted a different legendary and unlock that skin for all my alts instead of ending with 2 of the same one…

Best solution would be the one already mentioned: Only allow dual wielding if the account has 2 Incinerators/bolts/quips. If the account only has one, allow duplicating but all the toons cannot dual wield.

I also saw some people giving the analogy of store offering two for the price of one argument. I think in that case, the cost of the item should be considered as well. If I go to the store and saw apples I bought last night is now half price, I would just say “Man, wish I did not get those apples last night” and move on. But imagine me spending $50k on a Lexus and a few months later Lexus announces the car is now half price. I would immediately drive to the dealer with all the other buyers and demand refund/compensation of some sort.

I hope my little example helps shed some light on the disappointment. And if I am wrong, feel free to correct me.

Thanks for reading!

I think that this is a very good post that summarizes how most owners of duplicate legendaries feel . Thank you for making it!

BIRDPUNCHER.8263:

Senbonzakura.9035:

Hi, I am a dual incinerators owner myself and I came up with an example that might help the opposing view see why some people such as myself feel bumped out by this change.

Suppose there is a Player A and a Player B, both decided to craft two legendaries. Player A crafted a Frostfang for his warrior and an Incinerator for his thief while Player B decided to go for the distinct look of 2 Incinerators on his necro. Both Frostfang and Incinerator cost roughly the same (2,500+gold), both players went through roughly the same amout of effort to procure the legendaries and are happy with the outcome.

Now April 15th arrives – Player A is now able to copy his Frostfang and Incinerators to all his alts and can also have the distinctive look of dual wielding both legendaries. Player B can only duplicate Incinerator to his alts. In this example, the wardrobe change favors players with different legendaries while players with duplicate legendaries are at an “disadvantage”. I saw people argued that people with two Incinerators (Player B ) still have 2 purple rank weapons that allow stat change…but think about this, in my example, player A ALSO have 2 purple rank weapons (Frostfang and Incinerator). So, both players have exactly the same perk in term of the convenience of legendaries BUT Player A now have unlocked TWO legendary skins that he can duplicate as long as he has the charges while Player B only has 1 legendary skin unlocked. Both players have gone through the same efforts and commitment for two legendaries, but Player A have access to 2 distinct skins AND can dual wield (this really defeats Player B’s initial motivation to go for two Incinerators).

At the end:

Player A has 2 purple weapons for stat change (original frostfang and inci) and can now give Frostfang and Incinerator to his warrior, ele, necro, ranger, etc and dual wield in some cases.

Player B also has 2 purple weapons for stat change (2 incis) but can only unlock more Incinerators for his alts.

I fall under Player B and is quite bumped out by this change…If I knew this was the case, I would have crafted a different legendary and unlock that skin for all my alts instead of ending with 2 of the same one…

Best solution would be the one already mentioned: Only allow dual wielding if the account has 2 Incinerators/bolts/quips. If the account only has one, allow duplicating but all the toons cannot dual wield.

I also saw some people giving the analogy of store offering two for the price of one argument. I think in that case, the cost of the item should be considered as well. If I go to the store and saw apples I bought last night is now half price, I would just say “Man, wish I did not get those apples last night” and move on. But imagine me spending $50k on a Lexus and a few months later Lexus announces the car is now half price. I would immediately drive to the dealer with all the other buyers and demand refund/compensation of some sort.

I hope my little example helps shed some light on the disappointment. And if I am wrong, feel free to correct me.

Thanks for reading!

I think that this is a very good post that summarizes how most owners of duplicate legendaries feel . Thank you for making it!

I too also thank you for this post that summarizes how most of us feel with duplicate legendaries.

although I am not sure the best solution would be the only people with 2 of the same can duel wield. I like that there will be the option to skin a ascended weapon with same legendary just want compensated so I can have/make a different legendary.

being compensated in this way will be best for all as then the people crying against us dont have much to cry about they still get their free “2500g Skin” and we can have a diff legendary.

People are getting free 2500 gold????

I am one of guys that have 2 of same type of legendaries(2 inci and 2 juggers:farmed and crafted for all because i like its SKINS) and i know we are minority but we are stilll players in gw2 who put a lot a lot of time in it, so we cant just be put away cause we are minority.For first i like wardrobe idea and legendaries being acc bound but it just isnt fair that ppl who wasted around 2500 of their gold for 2nd legendary of same type that they already have will be at same position like ones who made it only once.I am also against statement that there will be much more ppl with legendaries cause it wont it would be same ppl that have legendaries now but on their alts.To be honest legendaries are becoming more and more common by every month passing.I am up for compromise cause i cant expect that the new feature will change only cause of few of us but lets start with few suggestions we gave.Far best change for us would be what was said earlier for many times that if you want dual legendaries you need to have 2 of that kind for dual it but you can have access to that skin accros all your character,but each character can wield it at the same time depending how much original ones you have.Ok ppl dont accept that and say we are selfish so lets move on.We said keep special effects only on real legendaries but for copies remove it.Again we were proclamied being selfish.So only argument against us you give again and again is being selfish and that we dont lose anything cause we keep stat changing option.Come on you cant really believe that stat change is 2500 gold worth.To make ascended weapon you need around 20 gold(it is that amount cause i made several ascended too) or 2 hours of running on maps and gather stuff you need.So there is 20 different stats combination in gw and that makes you to make dual of same stats 800 gold in the end or 80 hours gathering.So lets look at this numbers and numbers legendary is worth:in gold legendary worths 2500 gold and i wont even try to calculate how many hours you need for legendary but i can say for sure it is far more than this 80 hours for ascended.And keep in mind if ppl really change stats they change it between 3-5 stat combination max so that would cost them120 -200 gold.So if it needs to be how majority wants:pls let us at least un-bind all legendaries or high valued exotics like foefire,mjolnir,volcanus etc. and let owner choose if he wants to keep them or sell them and get his money back and invest it in something else.If something isnt understandable i apologise because english is not my mother language.:)

megatron.2784:

I am one of guys that have 2 of same type of legendaries(2 inci and 2 juggers:farmed and crafted for all because i like its SKINS) and i know we are minority but we are stilll players in gw2 who put a lot a lot of time in it, so we cant just be put away cause we are minority.For first i like wardrobe idea and legendaries being acc bound but it just isnt fair that ppl who wasted around 2500 of their gold for 2nd legendary of same type that they already have will be at same position like ones who made it only once.I am also against statement that there will be much more ppl with legendaries cause it wont it would be same ppl that have legendaries now but on their alts.To be honest legendaries are becoming more and more common by every month passing.I am up for compromise cause i cant expect that the new feature will change only cause of few of us but lets start with few suggestions we gave.Far best change for us would be what was said earlier for many times that if you want dual legendaries you need to have 2 of that kind for dual it but you can have access to that skin accros all your character,but each character can wield it at the same time depending how much original ones you have.Ok ppl dont accept that and say we are selfish so lets move on.We said keep special effects only on real legendaries but for copies remove it.Again we were proclamied being selfish.So only argument against us you give again and again is being selfish and that we dont lose anything cause we keep stat changing option.Come on you cant really believe that stat change is 2500 gold worth.To make ascended weapon you need around 20 gold(it is that amount cause i made several ascended too) or 2 hours of running on maps and gather stuff you need.So there is 20 different stats combination in gw and that makes you to make dual of same stats 800 gold in the end or 80 hours gathering.So lets look at this numbers and numbers legendary is worth:in gold legendary worths 2500 gold and i wont even try to calculate how many hours you need for legendary but i can say for sure it is far more than this 80 hours for ascended.And keep in mind if ppl really change stats they change it between 3-5 stat combination max so that would cost them120 -200 gold.So if it needs to be how majority wants:pls let us at least un-bind all legendaries or high valued exotics like foefire,mjolnir,volcanus etc. and let owner choose if he wants to keep them or sell them and get his money back and invest it in something else.So pls dont spit fire between and lets find together compromise that suits both sides.If something isnt understandable i apologise because english is not my mother language.:)

Well I give up, I know now I won’t be able to change anyones mind, because ANYONE who made 2 Juggernauts has no common sense.

sirflamesword.3896:

megatron.2784:

I am one of guys that have 2 of same type of legendaries(2 inci and 2 juggers:farmed and crafted for all because i like its SKINS) and i know we are minority but we are stilll players in gw2 who put a lot a lot of time in it, so we cant just be put away cause we are minority.For first i like wardrobe idea and legendaries being acc bound but it just isnt fair that ppl who wasted around 2500 of their gold for 2nd legendary of same type that they already have will be at same position like ones who made it only once.I am also against statement that there will be much more ppl with legendaries cause it wont it would be same ppl that have legendaries now but on their alts.To be honest legendaries are becoming more and more common by every month passing.I am up for compromise cause i cant expect that the new feature will change only cause of few of us but lets start with few suggestions we gave.Far best change for us would be what was said earlier for many times that if you want dual legendaries you need to have 2 of that kind for dual it but you can have access to that skin accros all your character,but each character can wield it at the same time depending how much original ones you have.Ok ppl dont accept that and say we are selfish so lets move on.We said keep special effects only on real legendaries but for copies remove it.Again we were proclamied being selfish.So only argument against us you give again and again is being selfish and that we dont lose anything cause we keep stat changing option.Come on you cant really believe that stat change is 2500 gold worth.To make ascended weapon you need around 20 gold(it is that amount cause i made several ascended too) or 2 hours of running on maps and gather stuff you need.So there is 20 different stats combination in gw and that makes you to make dual of same stats 800 gold in the end or 80 hours gathering.So lets look at this numbers and numbers legendary is worth:in gold legendary worths 2500 gold and i wont even try to calculate how many hours you need for legendary but i can say for sure it is far more than this 80 hours for ascended.And keep in mind if ppl really change stats they change it between 3-5 stat combination max so that would cost them120 -200 gold.So if it needs to be how majority wants:pls let us at least un-bind all legendaries or high valued exotics like foefire,mjolnir,volcanus etc. and let owner choose if he wants to keep them or sell them and get his money back and invest it in something else.So pls dont spit fire between and lets find together compromise that suits both sides.If something isnt understandable i apologise because english is not my mother language.:)

Well I give up, I know now I won’t be able to change anyones mind, because ANYONE who made 2 Juggernauts has no common sense.

Why is that? People could have made several bifrosts or GSes for other alts.

Reminiscent Valkyrie.3109:

Why is that? People could have made several bifrosts or GSes for other alts.

Do you know the amount of tstones and tsplitters you could buy with that amount of gold?

sirflamesword.3896:

Reminiscent Valkyrie.3109:

Why is that? People could have made several bifrosts or GSes for other alts.

Do you know the amount of tstones and tsplitters you could buy with that amount of gold?

There exists people who have duplicate two handed weapons. It’s not the smartest thing to do, but they do exist.

I already mentioned my opinion. Excluding the legendaries is just going back in a supposedly good step that the majority are happy about.

Compensation would be great and actually the option to simply unbind dublicates so people can sell them sounds nice too, although we don’t know how it can affect the economy.

Redball.7236:

If anything that petition shows just how small a minority this actually is, only 12 signatures.

0.003% … isn’t that the drop rate for precursors as well? :P

I have 5 legendaries including 2 Incinerators and I think this is a great feature. I dont even care that I will have a spare Incinerator per se, this feature will be great for my alts.

I am not surprised that most of the people moaning about this are those that have bought 2 of the same legendaries. Live with it and move on.

Meh. If duplicate legendary owners were to be “compensated”, I would agree with un-soulbinding their duplicate to be able to sell on the TP.

It seems as though the players who have two incinerators (or whatever) just want some way of “showing off” for lack of a better term. They’ve spent the time & effort to craft two of the same legendaries, and after the patch will have no other way to show that other than linking in chat with two different sigils.

I don’t think that legendaries should be excluded from the wardrobe, since I, too, would like to show off my multiple unique legendaries when I’m on my alt toons. Why should I only be able to have them on one toon?

I don’t think that “true” original legendaries should only have the aura and footfalls, so that players can identify what is the original weapon and what is a “copy” using the skin, since I crafted/bought the legendary to unlock the skin across my account. You’re treating it like I have a knock-off. If I have the legendary on another character, I personally have the right to the skin – it’s not like I never had it in the first place and I’m just running around with a counterfeit copy. I still have it somewhere on my account. If there’s a way to increase the footfalls when you’re equipping two true legendary status weapons, then fine, whatever.

The wardrobe system offers more convenience than just simply making legendaries account-bound. I think account-bound items are still inconvenient. I bought an unlimited salvage kit for all of my characters since I like to switch in and out a lot – whether it’s WvW or a dungeon; whatever. I wouldn’t want to keep putting weapons in the bank first, before logging in as another class – I’d rather just have the equipment ready to go when I log in.

But hey, if duplicate legendary owners want to be able to sell it off – that’s fine by me. It’ll decrease the prices for a little bit, but then they’ll jump back up again.

I have an offer on an incinerator on the TP right now because of the idea that I only need to get one to be dual wielding the skin…on my thief…and ele…and necro. <3 If it turns out otherwise, that’s fine. I have some fused daggers I can use with it. If I couldn’t afford to get one, then I wouldn’t.

I think Nike provided the most elegant solution. If you have two (or more) duplicate Legendaries, the duplicates becomes unbound, allowing you to sell it if you so choose.

Based on what Senbonzakura posted…

Would offering dual-legendary owners the choice of a second legendary SKIN of their choice be acceptable compensation? You would still have two actual legendaries – but now you’d have a second legendary skin that you could apply as you wished. Giving out these skins (they’d be account-bound) would likely hurt the legendary economy far less than unbinding the legendaries and allowing them to be sold – it also reduces the problem of “how do you compensate everyone equally when the cost of legendaries has changed over time?” All footprints, effects, etc would be maintained for legendaries and the copies, and everyone could dual-wield as they pleased.

Am very happy finally arenanet decided to move things to next level of user experience and I really support there wardrobe system. All MMOs have one thing in common everyone want the most rare weapon armor or loot in game , which is basic point of mmo accomplishment some players work hard then others and they deserve it by simple rule I spend more effort than average gamer. Now issue in hand is what arenanet can do about duel wielded weapon skins mostly people are upset about legendaries like incirator or bolt or frostfang . also I read all posts someone mention may b for someone new two bonettis will also b a lot gold I accept.

Solution: when April 15 patch hit unsouldbound all weapons in game of exotic Quality or above but keep the restrictions in place .
Ascendant weapons will become account bound
Legendary will become unsoulbind
Exotic weapons and skins unsoulbind
This may take some time to code but its the best solution after April 15 world is changing , who want to keep two same skins for stats changing will keep them who want to sell will sell them. Everyone will get fair and straight compensation. Tryia will evolve

kmortonson.2154:

Based on what Senbonzakura posted…

Would offering dual-legendary owners the choice of a second legendary SKIN of their choice be acceptable compensation? You would still have two actual legendaries – but now you’d have a second legendary skin that you could apply as you wished. Giving out these skins (they’d be account-bound) would likely hurt the legendary economy far less than unbinding the legendaries and allowing them to be sold – it also reduces the problem of “how do you compensate everyone equally when the cost of legendaries has changed over time?” All footprints, effects, etc would be maintained for legendaries and the copies, and everyone could dual-wield as they pleased.

This would make me a super duper happy camper =)

Samandar Khan.6821:

Am very happy finally arenanet decided to move things to next level of user experience and I really support there wardrobe system. All MMOs have one thing in common everyone want the most rare weapon armor or loot in game , which is basic point of mmo accomplishment some players work hard then others and they deserve it by simple rule I spend more effort than average gamer. Now issue in hand is what arenanet can do about duel wielded weapon skins mostly people are upset about legendaries like incirator or bolt or frostfang . also I read all posts someone mention may b for someone new two bonettis will also b a lot gold I accept.

Solution: when April 15 patch hit unsouldbound all weapons in game of exotic Quality or above but keep the restrictions in place .
Ascendant weapons will become account bound
Legendary will become unsoulbind
Exotic weapons and skins unsoulbind
This may take some time to code but its the best solution after April 15 world is changing , who want to keep two same skins for stats changing will keep them who want to sell will sell them. Everyone will get fair and straight compensation. Tryia will evolve

Well that doesn’t solve the eternity (sunrise and twilight + 4000g) issue and I’ll remain sad
/cry

BIRDPUNCHER.8263:

Saving up the 2k+ gold required to buy a legendary is also a feat. However, obtaining only one legendary should not allow you to wield two.

It could take me about 5 minutes, where most of the time is spent logging into PayPal… It would take me about 2 hours of work to get the cash depending on the exchange rate.

Legendaries shouldnt be in wardrobe. Because;

- Legendary prices will sky fall.
- Everbody just will buy legendary then sell and then buy other till having all.
- Everybody will walk around with shinny skins. Moar clustering
- End game skins will be consist of just 9-10 skin.

kmortonson.2154:

Based on what Senbonzakura posted…

Would offering dual-legendary owners the choice of a second legendary SKIN of their choice be acceptable compensation? You would still have two actual legendaries – but now you’d have a second legendary skin that you could apply as you wished. Giving out these skins (they’d be account-bound) would likely hurt the legendary economy far less than unbinding the legendaries and allowing them to be sold – it also reduces the problem of “how do you compensate everyone equally when the cost of legendaries has changed over time?” All footprints, effects, etc would be maintained for legendaries and the copies, and everyone could dual-wield as they pleased.

But this in itself might not be fair at all. Imagine someone with 2 Howlers or 2 Moots or 2 of an underwater legendary suddenly being able to trade for a 2500g+ legendary like the GS or the Hammer. I would rather they do nothing (as I have 2 incinerators myself and can see the GREATER VALUE of the decision to other people out there) or they just unbind the second weapon and allow you to do what you wish with it BUT trade it for another legendary.

Unless of course, we start talking about tiered coupons. Like sort the lengendarys in their respective price ranges and give anyone with dual of one a coupon they can use (for example Rodgort, Minstrel, Moot, Howler, Frenzy, Kraitkin and Quip in one tier).

At the end of the day, I really dont care about having a multiple of one legendary. Its an easy sacrifice to be able to use the skins on my alt.

LadyRhonwyn.2501:

BIRDPUNCHER.8263:

Saving up the 2k+ gold required to buy a legendary is also a feat. However, obtaining only one legendary should not allow you to wield two.

It could take me about 5 minutes, where most of the time is spent logging into PayPal… It would take me about 2 hours of work to get the cash depending on the exchange rate.

I just made a rough calculation. Assuming an Incinerator goes for around 2800 gold, it will take around $583 to buy it outright with the conversion rate when I did the calculation. You make $291 post tax an hour. You, sir, deserve all the legendaries in this game.