Guild Wars 2

Sonia.7910:

videoboy.4162:

I’m well aware of what he said. That still doesn’t give you the right to claim that you speak for everyone and ask that the working function, that players have asked for since launch, be removed until you get your way.

People should be asking for them to agree to fix the non-working/non-desirable part later instead of claiming that everyone will be happy to lose the other function.

So that doesn’t give him (or her) the right to claim to speak for everyone but you dare to say what we should be asking?

Your argument sounds a bit weird to me.

I see your point. However, my suggestion would end giving everyone what they wanted in the end. It also doesn’t ask to remove an announced function from a group of people that have wanted it since launch and force them to wait until and even smaller group of people get their way.

One of us is saying “Take this away from them until I get my way because I know everyone agrees with me.”

the other is saying “Put in the part that works and people want, but make sure you go back and make the other group happy too.”

Substance E.4852:

Didn’t do jack squat for Crit damage changes and the watchwork pick still gives out sprockets.

It is true that no amount of protest will make Arena.net reconsider doing something they decide HAS to change for the good of the game.

But the only way you find out if a change is one they feel has to happen is to make your voice heard.

shogei.8015:

Way to cherry pick. Scrolling back much further he did say “I think I speak for all players”. You win a point. How about addressing the meat of my argument?

It’s still true that the overwhelming majority prefer not to implement the new town clothes system. People who never, ever were interested in fighting in town clothes are now losing a big piece of functionality. People who wanted to fight in town clothes are not getting the full functionality that many were expecting.

The update harms more players than it helps. Holding off on this costs you nothing – you are no worse off than you ever were. Implementing it degrades the experience for a lot of people.

“I think” is also an operative phrase. I did not claim to know. But you missed the point of that sentence. Of course players want both features, but I still have not heard a single player willing to permanently trade the current feature for the new one, and that, is the stance I was claiming all characters are united in, the deal-breaker per say. And in that aspect I have yet to be proven wrong, for even you continue to use the phrase, ‘as long as’.

Videoboy have you spent 100$ buying 5 town clothes to mix and match them and create your proper unique town clothes ? I don’t think so.

Because now, players who did that will have no use of what we bought, because we bought town clothes to mix and match them, not to equip the entire costume set (we don’t like it).

And don’t speak about refund because we don’t want refund, we just don’t want to lose something we can do since the release.
And even if we want refund, we will not have refund for every town clothes we bought (like the pirate costume : we will not use it anymore because we can’t mix and match) but just for tonics.

shogei.8015:

Way to cherry pick. Scrolling back much further he did say “I think I speak for all players”. You win a point. How about addressing the meat of my argument?

It’s still true that the overwhelming majority prefer not to implement the new town clothes system. People who never, ever were interested in fighting in town clothes are now losing a big piece of functionality. People who wanted to fight in town clothes are not getting the full functionality that many were expecting.

The update harms more players than it helps. Holding off on this costs you nothing – you are no worse off than you ever were. Implementing it degrades the experience for a lot of people.

Agreed. Because this isn’t putting something in, this is flat out removing it and then offering next to nothing to the majority of us (as evidenced from this thread) whom really enjoyed a feature. I don’t think many of us here think the wardrobe system is a bad idea. Infact, I’m loving this and it’s probably one of the reasons I’m coming back to the game. Quite simply put, why not just release the wardrobe system WITHOUT taking away the town clothes system so they can revise it later?

Note, I said revise, not fix.

Why? Because fixing is what happens when something’s broken and if they do end up shoving this in, the system WILL be broken and there’s no denying this. But let’s face it, if they put this change through, it will never go back to the way it was before. The gem shop literally recieves an avalanche of new items every time and any hope at turning back the clock to restore the town clothes system will be inevitably lost within a months time. So instead of hamfisting a poorly thought out idea and then fixing it later, why not release the main feature while going back to the drawing board on town clothing? I think this thread alone is a testament to how much we still want the customization offered the current town clothes system.

^^ I agree completely, I love this new wardrobe feature, but if it cant include costumes and town clothes properly, then they are better left out of the feature, at least until they can. Continue to have the town clothes tab for now, its not that hard of a fix.

Angrod.7850:

Videoboy have you spent 100$ buying 5 town clothes to mix and match them and create your proper unique town clothes ? I don’t think so.

Because now, players who did that will have no use of what we bought, because we bought town clothes to mix and match them, not to equip the entire costume set (we don’t like it).

And don’t speak about refund because we don’t want refund, we just don’t want to lose something we can do since the release.
And even if we want refund, we will not have refund for every town clothes we bought (like the pirate costume : we will not use it anymore because we can’t mix and match) but just for tonics.

I have several different Town Clothes and Toys, but I don’t think I’ve spent quite that much on them. I think it’s closer to $50 (we’re excluding armor and weapon skins, right?). My favorite is the Bloody Prince costume and I’ve been waiting months to make that my main armor.

So, I have a new question. The way the new Wardrobe is set-up, all the Town Clothes are now integrated into that. So, if ANet did decide to go ahead and nix the Town Clothes update, for the super small minority of people that want them to, how would they separate that from this new system, without delaying the entire thing?

The only vocal minority I see here is you, video. I think everyone here just wants exactly that. Wardrobe system without nuking the hell out of town clothing. I don’t see why you think it’s all or nothing and I don’t think anyone else here thinks it’s all or nothing either.

Substance E.4852:

Didn’t do jack squat for Crit damage changes and the watchwork pick still gives out sprockets.

Adjusting the balance of power between classes is something that one generally expects out of an MMO; changing the function of items you’ve already bought and paid for is not something one expects. So, zerker builds get nerfed a bit and people who like other builds don’t have to be told they should go zerker or go home; and the pick continues to function in the way that it was advertised when people bought it, with the added effect that people who don’t have the pick and don’t have sprocket generators are able to buy sprockets on the TP for cheaper than if the picks stopped making sprockets. (Play enough games of Settlers of Catan and you’ll understand why, even if another player is profiting off the fact that she’s the only one who produces ore, you don’t put the Thief on that hex and stop her ability to produce that ore because then nobody’s able to steal ore from her or trade for it with her, the ore in play runs out, and the game grinds to a halt. Unless the game grinding to a halt amuses you somehow.)

Trickle-down sprockenomics aside, the point of my first statement is that when somebody buys something on the TP, there is a reasonable expectation that it will continue to function the way it does. If ANet undermines that, they will damage the faith that the playerbase— and pay-erbase— has in their ability to provide what they sold, and they will lose money. It’s also a thing that nobody really benefits from: you can reason that people who don’t focus on crit damage benefit from crit damage nerfs, and that people who want to buy sprockets with in-game money benefit from Watchwork picks producing sprockets, but the people who want to use town clothes in combat don’t benefit from the change because it makes the thing they wanted to use far less useful.

It is for these reasons that I believe ANet will fix this issue.

…Please don’t prove me wrong, guys. Please?

videoboy.4162:

for the super small minority of people

Should I go back and count how many different posters are upset with this poorly preformed transition? I don’t even need to count the number of people okay with it, no one is, not even you, not unless they break bread and make it mixable later down the road, which they have no inclination of doing.

wharone.1809:

The only vocal minority I see here is you, video. I think everyone here just wants exactly that. Wardrobe system without nuking the hell out of town clothing. I don’t see why you think it’s all or nothing and I don’t think anyone else here thinks it’s all or nothing either.

I haven’t said it should be all or nothing. I’ve said they should put in the functional part (Town Clothes in Combat) and then make sure they correct the Mix-and-Match fiasco afterward.

Judging by the Dev comments, it doesn’t look like they have the option of picking and choosing which portions of the Wardrobe they roll out.

Videoboy, doing that is like creating a new system (the current one Arena.net wants to add) and remove it later to fix it (because if they want to fix it, there should not be tonics or entire costume sets).

OtakuModeEngage.8679:

videoboy.4162:

for the super small minority of people

Should I go back and count how many different posters are upset with this poorly preformed transition? I don’t even need to count the number of people okay with it, no one is, not even you, not unless they break bread and make it mixable later down the road, which they have no inclination of doing.

Dude, Video’s being pretty reasonable. The fact is, they’ve got at least three-four months of work into this system and three weeks is not enough time to fix it. Yeah, it hits a lot of us (a solid chunk of Tarnished Coast and Piken Square for starters), and they need to address that in a way that restores our faith in the system…

…But, until they do or do not, you should probably cool off these absolute statements. Neither you nor I have any indication of what Anet’s going to do about this, and any statement to the contrary just comes across as needlessly hostile. Everyone affected is unhappy about it in some capacity, but there’s a right and a wrong way to voice that frustration and you’re flirting with the wrong way.

Angrod.7850:

Videoboy, doing that is like creating a new system to remove it later to fix it (because if they want to fix it, there should not be tonics or entire costume sets).

Well, they have already stated that they designed the Wardrobe to be able to be enhanced and expanded. I don’t see why taking the feature that causes players to not be able to Mix-and-Match and converting the pieces into armor skins, wouldn’t count as an enhancement.

I suppose I shouldn’t really worry about it, because they aren’t going to scrap the Wardrobe (or pieces) of it, two weeks before launch, just because a few people flew off the handle.

Wote.3627:

OtakuModeEngage.8679:

videoboy.4162:

for the super small minority of people

Should I go back and count how many different posters are upset with this poorly preformed transition? I don’t even need to count the number of people okay with it, no one is, not even you, not unless they break bread and make it mixable later down the road, which they have no inclination of doing.

Dude, Video’s being pretty reasonable. The fact is, they’ve got at least three-four months of work into this system and three weeks is not enough time to fix it. Yeah, it hits a lot of us (a solid chunk of Tarnished Coast and Piken Square for starters), and they need to address that in a way that restores our faith in the system…

…But, until they do or do not, you should probably cool off these absolute statements. Neither you nor I have any indication of what Anet’s going to do about this, and any statement to the contrary just comes across as needlessly hostile. Everyone affected is unhappy about it in some capacity, but there’s a right and a wrong way to voice that frustration and you’re flirting with the wrong way.

Hey, thanks, I appreciate your post. =D

Like you mentioned, some of the people have been working on the Wardrobe for months. Curtis (I think) even mentions in the Blog that he’s been working on it for 8 months.

If given a choice, better to delay giving you something you never had than to strip something from us that we already have and paid real money for.

I don’t speak about the entire wardrobe system but just the town clothes modifications. They can just add the wardrobe and not the modifications they made to town clothes, so that they can rethink it.

Personally, I would be fine with them disabling town clothes altogether temporarily if it means avoiding this fiasco.

But I would think their design is encapsulated enough that they don’t have to scrap everything just to make a relatively minor change like providing extra town clothing slots. If not I don’t know how they’ve managed to accomplish anything that they have to date.

Wote.3627:

Dude, Video’s being pretty reasonable. The fact is, they’ve got at least three-four months of work into this system and three weeks is not enough time to fix it. Yeah, it hits a lot of us (a solid chunk of Tarnished Coast and Piken Square for starters), and they need to address that in a way that restores our faith in the system…

…But, until they do or do not, you should probably cool off these absolute statements. Neither you nor I have any indication of what Anet’s going to do about this, and any statement to the contrary just comes across as needlessly hostile. Everyone affected is unhappy about it in some capacity, but there’s a right and a wrong way to voice that frustration and you’re flirting with the wrong way.

Anet posted the absolutes, not I, I’m simply making their position (and how it effects us) clear. Should they return to revise their stance on the matter, I will happily stand down, rather I truly wish they would… but this is Anet we’re talking about.

nGumball.1283:

DarksunG.9537:

WereScrib.7154:

But honestly? Between Living Story and this town clothes change, I can’t honestly imagine how disconnected people in judgement positions are.
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You’re going to have people accuse you of being ~run~ by Scarlet at this rate.

this x 100000. I was a rabid fanboy of GW1, & I can’t even grasp the weirdness that is the Living ‘Story’, crap monetization, no expansions & the pay-to-use cosmetics.. It definitely feels like the story & world of GW are now at the whim of someone’s very specific biases.

We have enough haters in the forums btw, just saying.

So, to you, anyone who doesn’t pledge undying loyalty to Anet, no matter what what poor choices they make, is a hater?

Your logic is extremely flawed. And your devotion, blind. Every time you respond to someone who posts legitimate issues with the game your rebuttal is essentially: “You’re a hater because you don’t agree with everything Anet does. Haters are wrong & bad.” That’s not an argument.

Combination NC.9813:

To me, there are just too many backdraws with this update. I am happy about the dyes and skin unlock, but not only are many of my town clothes being taken away, I will also no longer be able to use the headpieces as before. I did not purchase sunglasses to wear in combat, but now my only way to use them will be to pay a charge to put the look on a combat item. I do not want this, and would have protested against it in a CDI thread. Leveling will be less fun as well since I will not be able to afford transmuting below 80 skins as I level now that they will cost the same to transmute as 80 skins. I understand that you want to make money, but sneakingly adding a high cost to a much-used quality of life feature we have come to rely on but have not had to pay for in the past feels pretty low.

This is exactly how I feel. My townclothes, that I spent USD on, are useless and won’t even be refunded (I have three Wintersday outfits). And with my playstyle I like looking exactly how I want, which means I use I use 4-10 transmutation stones every 10 levels on all characters. But now the cost has risen to 12-30 and that’s just not possible to keep up with. Only 4 of my 11 characters are level 80, the rest are mostly around 20-40. If I can’t enjoy how my characters look, I don’t want to play them. My frequent transmutations are very important to me and how I enjoy the game.

I’m happy that people with other playstyles, only level 80s, etc are able to use stones, but there was no reason to punish low level characters. Its just greedy.

One piece of a kind of meta critique this thread brings to mind..

Arenanet, please give us some advanced warning of changes and get our feedback well in advance, please? Gigantic reveals three weeks before a big system change comes out is going to be prone to this sorta confusion.

Same dealie happened with the release of ascended gear. Feedback on some things ought to be sought before they’re finalized.

Hamfast.8719:

If given a choice, better to delay giving you something you never had than to strip something from us that we already have and paid real money for.

Angrod.7850:

I don’t speak about the entire wardrobe system but just the town clothes modifications. They can just add the wardrobe and not the modifications they made to town clothes, so that they can rethink it.

Exactly!

Lheimroo.2947:

One piece of a kind of meta critique this thread brings to mind..

Arenanet, please give us some advanced warning of changes and get our feedback well in advance, please? Gigantic reveals three weeks before a big system change comes out is going to be prone to this sorta confusion.

Same dealie happened with the release of ascended gear. Feedback on some things ought to be sought before they’re finalized.

The problem there is that this fanbase has already demonstrated we can’t be trusted with that level of transparency.

Remember their blog post about what they wanted to do in 2013? They are STILL being raked over the coals by some people for not meeting every “promise” on that list. They simply can’t give “advanced warning” about what they are intending to do because there are people who will consider that a legally binding promise, and will absolutely lose their kitten if it doesn’t turn out EXACTLY how it was discussed.

Yumeijin.5439:

Ezekiel.1985:

No, because it’s half finished and negatively impacts the majority of players who currently use town clothes.

Why is this more acceptable of a solution than putting it in now and fixing it later?

Because this is how the game has been for a long time. It is better to keep it as is until a fix is made that makes it agreeable to people currently using it as is, than to make a change that upsets the current norm, and pleases fewer people than it upsets – by a lot.

And what about the majority of players who don’t use Town Clothes? You’re willing to delay a feature they want so Anet can fix the Town Clothes issue and release the whole package later, rather than allow those people to have their feature while a potential fix gets added to Town Clothes later?

It doesn’t have to be delayed. Simply do it independently of town clothes. Keep the tab, keep the clothes, until a way to implement them is polished and ready to go. Simple.

OtakuModeEngage.8679:

Anet posted the absolutes, not I, I’m simply making their position (and how it effects us) clear. Should they return to revise their stance on the matter, I will happily stand down, rather I truly wish they would… but this is Anet we’re talking about.

[…]not unless they break bread and make it mixable later down the road, which they have no inclination of doing.

I was specifically referring to that. Anet hasn’t shown an inclination to cut one way or another. They’re probably still trying to figure out what their options are. By saying something like that, you make it sound as though you anticipate them refusing to do anything, which is not how we keep a healthy dialogue with them open.

If they’re considering it, they could at least say so, because all we’ve really had is “That’s not possible, so sorry.”

Which is what’s making me thinking about walking away from the game, because it bothers me that much that they’d be like that. It’s not even like this is a BALANCE issue, this is a COSMETIC issue. This is an issue where you SHOULD listen to your playerbase, because more options is better, and doesn’t adversely affect other players, and has nothing to do with balance. The only thing to take into account when it comes to cosmetic issues is – are people happy?

With this, they are not happy about the inability to mix and match.

This is the one new change that they announced that I have reservations about. At this point I doubt Anet will change anything. They’ve already made their big announcement. Chances are things are being finalized I doubt they would make any huge changes this late(but we can hope).

Its great that they are allowing people to use town clothes in combat but its just sad to see it comes at the expense of customization. I really wish they could have just kept the old system and allowed players to toggle between which set they wanted to wear instead of implementing this new system.

I love everything that’s being introduced – account bound dyes, the wardrobe system for armour skins – but Curtis, honey…

Tonics for certain Town Clothes pieces? It’s laughable. I can’t even imagine how such a suggestion could be put forth as anything other than a joke, and a poor one at that.

Like many others in this thread, I appreciate your responses and would appreciate it even more if you would explain why there is a problem with mixing town clothes with other town clothes, since that system works already.

I did like my costumes in GW, and you could create some lovely combinations with the different festival headgear, however they were severely limiting and often you would see a dozen other characters that had the exact same look, even down to the dyes. In GW2, despite the loss of many emotes and the ability to dye weapons, among other downgrades from the original, you gave us a greater variety of costuming options with town clothes, and I spent a fair bit of real money on them. The pieces I didn’t like – those hideous hats that make everyone bald, for instance – I actually destroyed, to make room in my bank for more of the pieces I did like.

And now you wish to take away this feature that so many of us have enjoyed so thoroughly, for so many months, without even the courtesy of a real explanation.

I love ANet, Curtis, but I will be among those queueing up for a fat refund when this goes live, and I will not be purchasing any of your future “outfits.”

If changes are “not doable” (seems more like “we don’t want to put in the required effort” to me), outfits better have refund options as well. I did NOT pay for outfits, I do NOT want outfits. I want my townclothes the way they worked when I paid USD to buy them or I want my gems back so I can buy something I can actually use.

Curtis Johnson.8456:

As always we ask you to try out the new system of customization and see what’s available to you. We hope the benefits to the outfit system and wardrobe in terms of future support and additions will be clear, and you can look forward to more new outfits coming very soon.

I will certainly continue to experiment .

One question:

Would you agree that wearing town clothes in combat has essentially ended “But I want to be able to read my opponent’s Warrior/Adventurer/Scholar-ness at a glace!” as an argument against cosmetically mixing armor weights in the future? I realize the technical hurdles are still there (I remember well when you could preview mixed armor weights in game…) but the tactical argument is now largely meaningless, yes?

Curtis Johnson.8456:

Yes, we do have to give up some of our current closet space and clothing to fit the new wardrobe in. Again, apologies for that.

As always we ask you to try out the new system of customization and see what’s available to you. I think many people will be surprised by how many pieces have become armor compatible. We hope the benefits to the outfit system and wardrobe in terms of future support and additions will be clear, and you can look forward to more new outfits coming very soon.

So they are resolved not to change their stance… the backlash here will not be pretty.

Curtis, thank you for that. So here’s a question: Do you intend to introduce more clothing-like armors down the road that can replace what we had? If not the exact styles, then similar ideas (or even better really-look-like-stuff-people-would-wear-including-pants ones)? Those could be designed for the new system. You’ve already got metal looking armors for Light (see: Aether male). If the lines blur more and we get some looks that don’t seem meant for brutal bloody combat, that could undo the harm of losing the current options.

Yep. Arena.net has given the answer many people here don’t want to hear.

If this breaks the game for you, it’s time to walk away. Further complaining will fall on deaf ears.

Curtis Johnson.8456:

As always we ask you to try out the new system of customization and see what’s available to you. I think many people will be surprised by how many pieces have become armor compatible. We hope the benefits to the outfit system and wardrobe in terms of future support and additions will be clear, and you can look forward to more new outfits coming very soon.

I’m pretty sure I’m not going to like the new system anyways because I will not be able to have the appearance I really want. You can create as many costumes as you want, I’m sure there will be a piece (and certainly more than one) that I will hate.

I always mix and match for town clothes or for armors because I never like the entire sets there are in the game and I prefer to create my proper one.

Ok, mix and match town clothes with armors is maybe a problem for you that could justify why you don’t procede like that.
But, instead of doing such a bad system like that which limit our creativity, why don’t you just not keep the actual town clothes system and let us the possibility to chose from our armor or our town clothes for the combats ?

Curtis Johnson.8456:

As always we ask you to try out the new system of customization and see what’s available to you. I think many people will be surprised by how many pieces have become armor compatible. We hope the benefits to the outfit system and wardrobe in terms of future support and additions will be clear, and you can look forward to more new outfits coming very soon.

So, does the bolded part mean that certain town clothes will be making the switch? I’m guessing that you weren’t more specific because some details are still being hashed out.

Regardless, Curtis, I appreciate your openness in addressing the community’s concerns. Even if I’m going to miss my rather dapper gentlenorn, I’m sure he’ll manage to find his way…

At least he gets to keep his hat and his mustache.

Curtis Johnson.8456:

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So, if I’m understanding you correctly, we’re losing the functionality of certain pieces of Town Clothing but, in doing so, we’re gaining a system that will allow you to provide us with even more variety, in a shorter amount of time?

That sounds like a good trade to me.

videoboy.4162:

Curtis Johnson.8456:

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So, if I’m understanding you correctly, we’re losing the functionality of certain pieces of Town Clothing but, in doing so, we’re gaining a system that will allow you to provide us with even more variety, in a shorter amount of time?

That sounds like a good trade to me.

Assuming the future pieces he’s referring to are not released a locked sets as well. Well, its hope for players, but it still doesn’t replace the cash players spent on a set for only one item to be used in their creation.

Curtis Johnson.8456:

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So basically the whole “we are taking your concerns and feedback into consideration” was a bunch of nonsense. Glad to see that hasn’t changed. Just the usual typical PR spin meaning “we are not changing anything regardless of what you have to say”. Well expect a bunch of players quitting or requesting refunds. Since you’re not willing to see the dozens of alternatives being posted in this thread (since you probably didn’t even read any of it), expect a ton of backlash. But I’ve gotten used to this. Just Anet being Anet like always.

Curtis Johnson.8456:

As always we ask you to try out the new system of customization and see what’s available to you. I think many people will be surprised by how many pieces have become armor compatible. We hope the benefits to the outfit system and wardrobe in terms of future support and additions will be clear, and you can look forward to more new outfits coming very soon.

Look forward to more new outfits in the gem store right? Cause god forbid we earn anything in game that doesn’t require us opening our wallets. Or will we be getting mroe tonics instead, like the tonics you changed our clothing into after we have already paid for them?

I wouldn’t care if this was just for the gear we earned in game. But no, this is for stuff we spent money on. We paid for these outfits, and now you are changing them into something useless after we already paid for them. We did not pay for tonics, and now we can’t even use the outfits we have created to get our unique looks, because you think this is better for everyone to take them away after we already paid for them.

Guess Anet prefers us to just get refunds instead of listening to the community and hearing our concerns. You would think they would want us to spend money, not turn us away from doing it.

But that still leaves me with 15 shirts and shorts/pants i want to wear, that I bought to wear in different colors and combinations that I will only be able to wear as stinking undyable tonic. If you insist on “sets” then at least make the shirt/short combos into sets that I can dye. A stupid tonic i’Il have to lug around that just makes me look like everyone else is completely useless to me.

If i have to use “sets” I guess I’ll have to live with that but at least let the items I bought work with the system.

If I wind up with a bunch of stupid tonics I certainly won’t trust the gem store enough to buy any of their “new costumes” when they come out because I won’t know how long it will be before they change things again and take them away.

I didn’t buy any of the costume in GW1 – won’t break my heart if I don’t buy any more in GW2

Curtis Johnson.8456:

We do understand and sincerely apologize that there are creative combinations of town clothes that will not exist anymore. Many have asked why remove town clothes as a concept. It boils down to we believe better armor skinning and the outfit system is something we can add more options to more often and will produce a better supported RP game for everyone with more variety in the future. In short, a healthier game.

To expand more on what I mean by better support, It helps if you think of town clothes as a 4th weight class of armor. Clothing was meant to offer visual options that break the class roles, however we were never completely happy with the way it was isolated from the rest of the game and still felt largely the same. Many pieces could have easily been mistaken for light or medium armor. In many ways it was more akin to building an alt character because town-clothes and armor were so separated. Additionally, every time we added something to town-clothes, it didn’t really help someone building their light, medium, or heavy look. And there was no way to add combat gear fairly without creating 3 versions on the back end (light, medium, and heavy). As a customization platform and sustainable expansion design it left a lot to be desired.

When we started looking at bringing more of the clothing back into armor with mix and match styles there are some fundamental incompatible things between weight classes. (part of how we set up every armor to allow many dye channels and styles per piece).. There really is no way at this point over six years since we started development to make absolutely everything work together. So we needed something new to continue to grow in the future.

Outfits give us a way to create highly stylized looks that aren’t constrained to armor slots or weight class. In addition to armor skins that are easier and cheaper to collect across characters and the account dye system we do believe the options across a players whole account are much more attractive now. You’ll see more outfits coming out this summer and additions to the game more often usable by your characters. We try not to allow too much ‘hoarder’ design where we just keep stacking more and more options on leaving lots of unsupported things hanging around. Yes, we do have to give up some of our current closet space and clothing to fit the new wardrobe in. Again, apologies for that.

As always we ask you to try out the new system of customization and see what’s available to you. I think many people will be surprised by how many pieces have become armor compatible. We hope the benefits to the outfit system and wardrobe in terms of future support and additions will be clear, and you can look forward to more new outfits coming very soon.

If I am understanding you correctly, the only reason for all this is so outfits look distinct from armor? With all due respect… that’s not really possible. In fact you’ve already failed. Bloody prince and wintersday outfits both look like light armor. Pirate looks like medium. In fact, I don’t understand how it’s even possible to make an outfit that doesn’t look like one of the armor classes, since the armor classes are pretty much all encompassing.

And how is that even relevant to removing mix and match anyways? One piece or multi-piece, either way you are going to fit into one of the three archetypes.

And how will we be “surprised” by what becomes armor compatible? You’ve already flat out told us all the non-head slot single piece clothing items are going the way of the tonic. Unless you mean boots and gloves on all the outfits are being separated (in which case can’t you just flat out say it instead of leaving us in the dark?)

All in all it’s a giant step backwards. Now whenever an outfit is released, we’ll have to hope and pray that the designer shares our tastes in EVERY respect. Even if we love the chest and legs, if there are ugly boots (cough pirate outfit cough) etc, we have to disregard the ENTIRE outfit.

Curtis Johnson.8456:

Clothing was meant to offer visual options that break the class roles, however we were never completely happy with the way it was isolated from the rest of the game and still felt largely the same.

But thats exactly what was perfect about it. Thats EXACTLY how it should be.

Look, if im a welder (which I am), I wear overalls and a mask to work. A fitness trainer might wear a tracksuit and trainers and a stock broker might wear a suit and tie.
But, when we all get home, we all wear the same casual clothes. Ok, I know thats not a perfect example because we all wear different casuals but you get my point, We all have work clothes specific to our profession (same as the armour class in game) but we all wear the same non-profession-specific clothes after work. You get what Im getting at.

The Town Clothes function was (or is as it stands at the moment) amazing. It does exactly what it says on the tin. A forth armour class that all characters can wear while not at work (in combat). The only problem is that there are not enough activities, games and events to do in them.

Curtis Johnson.8456:

As always we ask you to try out the new system of customization and see what’s available to you.

So mix ‘n’ match is out. …For now. I will give it a try; I’m not unreasonable. I’m going to be losing a LOT of stuff I paid you for though, and it doesn’t exactly make me a happy customer.

Curtis Johnson.8456:

I think many people will be surprised by how many pieces have become armor compatible.

I understand that the Pirate Costume, for example, is mostly one piece. Is there no chance at all of separating such Costumes into individual head/shoulders/chest/arms/legging/boot pieces and letting us use them as skins like the other town clothing? I just don’t understand the reasoning here.

And PLEASE, for the love of all that is Good and Holy! Don’t use a TONIC system for my Dragon Emblem T-Shirt! Not unless you can promise me that zoning won’t remove it. I truly don’t like the way tonics work lately.

Curtis my question is: will there be individual mix and match pieces in future releases? Or will they all be complete sets?

Curtis Johnson.8456:

You’ll see more outfits coming out this summer and additions to the game more often usable by your characters.

and you can look forward to more new outfits coming very soon.

You’re out of your mind if you think I will trust you as a company with my money once more. What else will change that I paid money for and can’t get a proper refund for? Gems I can get returned, but not the money I bought them with.
I really don’t want to come off as offensive, but I’m thoroughly disappointed in the entirety of Arenanet.

If all my costume stuff becomes armor compatible I’ll be fine honestly. Just that it seems clear to me it’s gonna be an all or nothing deal or tonics, so I might as well just brace for the worst.

There is really no feasible reason you can’t simply convert all pieces individually into armor skins.

There just isn’t.

Narthexia.1836:

Curtis my question is: will there be individual mix and match pieces in future releases? Or will they all be complete sets?

I think that’s the real question now, is this an end to mix and matching skins that look like what used to be termed ‘town clothes’ and ‘costumes’, will all further releases be tonics/locked sets, or will you start making new single piece items to mix and match? The answer you made here could save you from losing a great deal of players.

So after this change, the releases of outfits will not allow mixing the pieces anymore? Or we use the outfits in the future or nothing?
So only individual skins will have the chance to mix…

Dear anet,

I’d like all my kittening money back for all the wardrobe pieces I’ve bought. Gotta say, I’m feeling pretty boned right now. I really like the way I look in my town clothes and I’m super irritated that you’re turning them into an “all or nothing” deal that penalizes those who have sunk money into multiple pieces.

Get out, this is awful.

Sincerely,
Beslley