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Forced PvP
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I am sorry to see so many people missing the main points in the whole thing…
1. Most parts of WvWvW maps are not accessible on many servers out of simple lack of map control, this promotes exploiting of server transfer to complete the achievement
2. PvE players taking up spots for WvWvW on many servers with over 1 hour queues and simply not contributing on the whole WvWvW front just roaming around trying to get one silly PoI or vista to get some achievement that has absolutely no connection to the whole WvWvW they are in atm…
I am simply confused by the amount of answers dont want it dont do it, and what are you afraid of since that has absolutely no sense at all…
It is not impossible to do, each map reset your servers position for bases rotates. That means one week in eternal battlegrounds you’ll be on the top portion, the next week you will be in one of the other 2 positions, the third week you will be in the last spot.
If you enter WvW when the reset happens you can easily get 1/3rd of the map complete with nobody bothering you and you can go back and do the same next week.
So you aren’t being barred from doing it. And you lie that you don’t mind putting in the work. You’re just being impatient and lazy.
You mention 3 keywords: “PvP”, “achievement”, “explorer”.
1) GW line of games are centered around PvP. You might not like it but that’s what the games are about and ANET never hidden that.
Completely false . In fact in order for you to partake in HA in the beginning you had to be Ascended which was a COMPLETELY PvE thing . There is a whole 2 1/2 pages dedicated to PvP in the Prophesies Manual if GW was about PvP wouldent there be more?
The reason Guild Wars is called such is do to lore and lore alone .The Guild wars took place between 1013 and 1070 AE between the kingdoms of Kryta Ascalon and Orr. The only thing that brought them to an end essentially was the Charr invasion .
As for world completion The Mists (where WvW takes place ) are not part of the world according to lore so it shouldn’t be needed for world completion
Also you are incorrect again. Dun dun dun! The mists location and existance are unknown in lore! Some say that it overlaps tyria making it a world intertwinedwith our own, one and the same! Some say it could be another dimension or realm like the realm of torment where abbadon was imprisoned. Others say it is our world but reflected in strange ways, like when you look into a wavey mirror. In any case saying that the mists are not within tyria is false as there is no proof that the mists and tyria are one and the same!
It is not impossible to do, each map reset your servers position for bases rotates. That means one week in eternal battlegrounds you’ll be on the top portion, the next week you will be in one of the other 2 positions, the third week you will be in the last spot.
You don’t always rotate, with the way matching works. You often will but you don’t always.
Can always transfer and then transfer back if World Completion means so much to you.
That works for now, but will NOT work a some time in the near future.
Primarily PvP players don’t like doing forced PvE maps. How about giving the Gifts of Exploration to WvW completion because it is obviously much harder to get and Pve-completion could be rewarded with some blobs of ectoplasm?
If you want a legendary, you need to do full PvE completion, farm out at least one dungeon, have two specific fully maxed crafting disciplines, and get a significant number of WvW kills. A legendary specifically requires play across the entire game.
Map completion should still be split into a PvE form and PvP form. PvE one gets you the PvE oriented part of a legendary. The PvP form should get you the PvP part of a legendary (or for WvW only players who don’t care about dungeons, crafting, or PvE, something that helps them in WvW).
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I decided to get 100% map completion. When I’m doing this, my focus is to explore, not to try and obliterate the other team’s players and getting territory.
When I explore, I do it in a relaxed way and avoid combat as much as I can. It’s fun to just focus on getting Vistas, POIs and Waypoints.
WvW is an intensely fun part of the game. It’s awesome to crush our enemies, see them driven before us, and hear the lamentations of their guildmates (while laughing maniacally at the computer screen).
I have a completely different mindset for exploring and PVPing. When I explore, I don’t care about getting the enemy and I wouldn’t really be much use for my team. I’d probably be taking the place of someone else more driven to WvW action.
Map completion players shouldn’t have to explore in what is an extremely hostile environment for exploration. WvW teammates shouldn’t have to suffer those useless explorers, and explorers shouldn’t have to wait for the next WvW rotation and hope that the other teams are worse than theirs.
Your best counter to what I said is, well usually you do but not always.
So WvW completion takes you 4 weeks instead of 3 oh mah Lerrd.
Map completion should still be split into a PvE form and PvP form. PvE one gets you the PvE oriented part of a legendary. The PvP form should get you the PvP part of a legendary (or for WvW only players who don’t care about dungeons, crafting, or PvE, something that helps them in WvW).
No it should not. Sorry, hate to tell you this as it has already been mentioned so many times. This is a pvp game with pve content. The first I know, shocking really.
Hey guys quick question. Look to your world completion bar, now back at me, now look at your bar again, closely this time, you might miss something! Alright back to me. You can see that the bar does not say PvE map completion. It certaintly doesn’t say PvP map completion. It means total map completion. Every map. Yes this means WvW, oh stop your crying. “You actually need to explore 100% of everything?” Yes. “But I don’t like WvW, PvP is stupid.” it an achievement, its optional. “But I need it for my legendaries!” If this is the thing that is causing you trouble then maybe you need to just think over your life.
“But I need it for my legendaries!” If this is the thing that is causing you trouble then maybe you need to just think over your life.
This is the least of all concerns for someone seeking legendaries, it’d be hilarious if this is the reason.
It’s an achievement for a reason.
So you aren’t being barred from doing it. And you lie that you don’t mind putting in the work. You’re just being impatient and lazy.
So your answer to my valid objections is to personally attack me and say that i lie, and then add impatient and lazy… Internet, you have to love it, no better argument then lets go insult people.
Guess i am expecting to much from a gaming forum when i expect civilized behaving and discussion…
Map completion should still be split into a PvE form and PvP form. PvE one gets you the PvE oriented part of a legendary. The PvP form should get you the PvP part of a legendary (or for WvW only players who don’t care about dungeons, crafting, or PvE, something that helps them in WvW).
No it should not. Sorry, hate to tell you this as it has already been mentioned so many times. This is a pvp game with pve content. The first I know, shocking really.
That statement is completely full of fail.
At least 80% of the game has absolutely NO PVP COMPONENT whatsoever. If this was a PvP game, the chimps would be chasing one another around Queensdale and the Diessa Plateau, and not be restricted to four small maps, totally segregated from the vast majority of the game. Only the self-serving myopia of a PvP enthusiast could possibly claim that this game is a PvP game with PvE components tacked on to it.
And by the way, get back into the Mists and start clearing some POIs for me. They better be open by the time I log in later because I don’t want to waste any more time watching you people kitten each other over, from the lawn chair I have set up on yonder parapet. The sooner you clear a path for me, the sooner I leave your little sideshow and get back to doing fun stuff in the actual game. Chop chop! My glass is almost empty and I’m all out of margarita mix.
So you aren’t being barred from doing it. And you lie that you don’t mind putting in the work. You’re just being impatient and lazy.
So your answer to my valid objections is to personally attack me and say that i lie, and then add impatient and lazy… Internet, you have to love it, no better argument then lets go insult people.
Guess i am expecting to much from a gaming forum when i expect civilized behaving and discussion…
Your whole arguement was that you had no problem putting the work in for it but it’s just not possible to get some points because your server might not have those points captured cause they are getting dominated.
And then I proceeded to explain that because your position on the map rotates you don’t have to capture it just wait until its your realms turn to own it.
So since your impossible is now possible you either are being impatient because you don’t want to wait for the reset or lazy cause it’s too much work to have to queue for each WvW match 3 times in the span of 3 weeks.
PVE-only player whining about having to PVP in a PVP focus game.
If your server is getting wiped out every round it may be a participation issue because too many people are PVE only, show some pride and support your server, who knows you may even get your precious star in the process. =D
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Since my previous post saying exactly what I’m about to say was infracted, allow me to rephrase it in a more constructive matter.
Say you don’t like PvP, but want a Legendary weapon, would you then demand that the Badge of Honor requirement be removed from them because you don’t like to PvP? Conversely, should a PvP player be excused from gathering the money, crafting materials, etc. because they dislike PvE? No. It’s completely optional content. If you want it, put in the work. If you don’t, go without. It’s as simple as that in my opinion.
not true you can obtain said Badges of Honor without pvp’ing from what i ve read and i quote
“The fastest method by far is doing the jumping puzzles (in the borderlands) and you will have to do them approximately 100 times. This can currently be done in 4 days if you use 5 characters and you do it between 01:00 CET (when rematching is done) and 10:00-11:00 CET (when server is undergoing maintenance) and once again after the maintenance.”
So technically no pvp from what i gather
Where does it say that the World Completion is a PVE achievement? The game involves both PVE and PVP. To see the entire world, why would you expect to not have to go into the PVP part of the world?
My turret is so much better at this game than I am.
WvWvW is supposed to be kinda like World PvP so you need players that are doing things other than rolling out specifically for PvP so the whole thing feels more real.
Welcome to Arenanet there games have always been designed around pvp. The first guild wars even had missions in pve that was preparing you for pvp.
Think of WvW as an elite PvE dungeon with very smart AI and every mob is a veteran or champion.
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‘’If you want the achievement that shows you have been everywhere, then go everywhere.’’
I want an achievement that says I have travelled across every piece of land in this game.
Why do the devs FORCE me to travel across every piece of land in this game to get it?? WTF devs??
I’m starting to agree that it’s lame, and I’d guess some people xfer to do it to minimize the lameness, but doing server transfer for stuff like this or to find skill point challenges that aren’t broken is also lame.
What you can do to minimize the pain is plan ahead and watch the matchups – your faction will often have a different position, and thus, different map, and if you explore your “home” map each time it’s different you’ll have less chances of getting owned while doing so.
Beyond that, basic pvp principles can be observed. Pay attention, keep moving, etc. Sitting around looking at your world map is a great way to get caught and owned, for ex. Not that this would EVER happen to me.
The rewards for 100% completion seem to be pretty pathetic and going for legendaries is something I would consider not fun (and I’d guess the people who already have them exploited or cheesed the system in some way) so I’m not even interested in 100% completion anymore anyways.
This game is so corrupted with ways to cheat, bots, exploits that don’t get fixed, questionable ways to “earn” gold, and all kinds of abuse that have put some people way ahead of the curve while everyone else will suffer far longer time investments after fixes finally get in place, that I’m really not motivated to go for many of the lame “endgame goals” at all right now.
As much as I love this game I’m starting to lose steam as more and more lameness and cheese manifest themselves, I continue to see people who shortcut and play questionably get ahead, and as ANet continues to move glacially dealing with the rampant (worse than any 5 MMORPGs I’ve seen combined) botting and other cheese.
I guess this is what you get for playing a game that doesn’t have a sub (near zero GMing or CSRing) even though I’m thinking that the initial cash and gem store purchasing have been substantial financially, at least enough to warrant a little better handling of some of this crap.
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I agree with Craven, 100%. Getting the 100% exploration achievement is meaningless if you haven’t met the requirements. There are many, many other achievements you can do. People need to understand the difference between “want” and "need’. This is not a “need”.
Furthermore, the achievement, as is, is all kinds of do-able by anyone that wants it. Dying a few times isn’t the end of the world.
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World completion doesn’t have to have WvW included since as far as I know WvW isn’t even part of the real world. It’s part of the mists which isn’t even on Tyria. So I wouldn’t mind seeing that removed. WvWvW is boring anyways.
‘’If you want the achievement that shows you have been everywhere, then go everywhere.’’
But it doesn’t even require you to go everywhere…WvW is part of the mists. Spvp maps aren’t required for world completion either and they are also part of the mists. Mists isn’t even part of the world of Tyria. So exactly why they were included is kind of odd especially since actual parts of the Tyria aren’t included like dungeons, POI in hall of monuments, and the jumping puzzles.
Shrug I can see their point.
you can change from server too and join the one winning on the part wich you want to explore.
Hall of Monuments shouldn’t be included because it’s only available to GW1 players. If it was part of it you’d have to go back and buy GW1 to get the achievement if you were new to GW2.
it’s not a pve achievment. It’s a game achievement.
the achievment says that you completed 100% exploration of the world that Anet created. they could add a sub achievement for 100% PVE exploration or 1 for 100% WvW completion. But exploring the whole GW2 world means exploring THE WHOLE GW2 WORLD. That world includes the mists.
Wait, the game is forcing you to get 100% exploration?
I think the issue here is OCD. Some people have this compulsion of “its there, I HAVE to do it.” Unfortunately, just because one might suffer from a compulsion like this, doesnt mean its the games fault, or the designers fault. Just because its there, doesnt mean you are forced to do it.
This game has a ton of OPTIONAL content. Things to do outside of the standard mmorpg gameplay. Its there to add variety. Its there to appeal to a greater number of players. Player A may not like X but loves Y, player B may not like Y but loves X. Both X and Y exist however to offer player A and B fun things to do, at their own CHOICE.
If you feel compelled to do ALL things in a game, that is your CHOICE. Complaining about it not being fun becomes a moot point when what you are doing is optional.
Hall of Monuments shouldn’t be included because it’s only available to GW1 players. If it was part of it you’d have to go back and buy GW1 to get the achievement if you were new to GW2.
I thought non-GW players could buy a stone in Lion’s Arch to get there, but Kimmes would just be like, “You’re a nobody” and not give you anything…
Anyway, I agree that the requirement should be severed from WvW. Make a new achievement if you must, and shove it into the WvW category rather than Explorer (same with the 4 jumping puzzles, honestly) but anything to keep PvP and PvE as far away from each other as possible is grand in my book.
It’s obvious it was designed this way because ANet knew that PvE-ers would want to complete the achievement, especially after knocking out such a huge amount of it, and figured this would be a good way to make them try out WvW. They’ve always seemed to have this notion that, “It’s not just PvP, so PvE-ers should love it too! We think it’s great, so if they just give it a chance, they will too!” But, that’s… not the case. Many of us loathe PvP as a concept and there’s no way you can ever make it palatable. And trying to sneak it in such that it becomes even more of an obnoxious burden doesn’t help.
People keep saying, “These places are part of the world, so they should count,” but if ANet hadn’t required them, then I can’t believe anybody would be going, “This makes no sense! Add World Completion crap into the Mists!” Especially since, as mentioned, Dungeon and sPvP/Heart of the Mists completion points aren’t counted. It really seems to be more a case of justifying it simply because it was done rather than because it is generally regarded as a good option. Even worse though is that in many cases, the support seems to amount to a fair bit of vitriol and malice towards the PvE-only crowd in a sort of ‘HA! Suck it Carebears!’ type of mentality.
I’d honestly have preferred that WvW had been kept an entirely separate beast with it’s own set of homeservers, progression, etc. that didn’t touch general PvE whatsoever. But that ship has already sailed, so at the very least making small changes that make the game more pleasant for those that don’t wish to partake in whichever game-type that they likely never even wanted when they bought the game would be nice,
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A shame fun things could not simply be fun.
A shame fun things could not simply be fun.
I really do understand the aversion to PvP that many players have in games like this, and understand it’s an acquired taste. I was the exact same way for years. I wasn’t interested in the competition and didn’t think it would be very fun. I avoided it whenever possible in GW1 until Factions came out and I decided that Elite Kurzick Warrior armor was the coolest looking thing I’d ever seen and I wanted it now! But… it required a lot of Kurzick faction and Amber, which were very hard to scrape up outside of PvP, so I decided to suck it up and go do it. Still hated it for the first couple times, but then I got in a good group, we started working together well and complementing one another’s abilities, taking down teams of other players and generally being awesome.
Suddenly, 12 hours had passed, I loved PvP forever and now do it in every game I play. All I’m saying is, it seems like most of the people here are opposed to PvP in general. If you’ve tried WvW in GW2 and hate it, and not just because it’s buggy as all kitteh right now, that’s one thing… but if you won’t even give it a fair shake you’re really handicapping your own enjoyment in my opinion. It’s challenging, dynamic, and full of infinite possibility because the enemies can actually think and do their best to smash you into dust even as you do the same.
At least give it a shot, you might be surprised at how much you like it.
~A PvP Convert
Nothing in the game should ever mix PvE objectives with PvP objectives. That is bad design and must be changed immediately. PvP and PvE should always remain absolutely separate.
I will never play WvW until Map Completion there is removed.
I agree with the idea that world completion should be removed from wvw. I disagree with almost all of the reasons why it should be removed. 100% means 100%. It’s an achievement, last I checked you can’t get the slayer achievement in PvE either. 100% a WvW map is not actually hard btw. HOWEVER. By making it count for 100% it brings people into WvW for the purpose of exploring, not WvWing. I have frequently found myself running to our next target, glancing at my map and saying “oooh we own _. Don’t know when that will happen again, best grab it now.” And my brother has gone to WvW exclusively for world completion. Both of those take up valuable slots for true WvWers
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It’s an MMORPG with a PvP endgame, based upon a franchise that has been well known for it’s PvP for years.
What was the expectation here?
I agree with the idea that world completion should be removed from wvw. I disagree with almost all of the reasons why it should be removed. 100% means 100%. It’s an achievement, last I checked you can’t get the slayer achievement in PvE either. 100% a WvW map is not actually hard btw. HOWEVER. By making it count for 100% it brings people into WvW for the purpose of exploring, not WvWing. I have frequently found myself running to our next target, glancing at my map and saying “oooh we own _. Don’t know when that will happen again, best grab it now.” And my brother has gone to WvW exclusively for world completion. Both of those take up valuable slots for true WvWers
Well, it also happens to enemy teams, so it’s an even situation at least. It usually happens more when a team is basically owning the whole map, and any handicap the winning team can have in such a situation is good. I see no problems with it.
Nothing in the game should ever mix PvE objectives with PvP objectives. That is bad design and must be changed immediately. PvP and PvE should always remain absolutely separate.
I disagree. I’m of the mindset that PvP and PvE go hand in hand. I’ve found that games without open PvP, without permanent equipment loss that seperate PvP and PvE have kittened up economies because there simply isn’t any better gold sink than having to potentially replace your gear everytime you die. Inflation is always out of control in the “safe” PvE type games.
A game with open PvP provides the best roleplaying experience possible. Conflict is at the heart of every great story and PvP is conflict centric. Having enemies that you can truly interact with creates the most memorable experiences.
Opinions!
A game with open PvP provides the best roleplaying experience possible. Conflict is at the heart of every great story and PvP is conflict centric. Having enemies that you can truly interact with creates the most memorable experiences.
Opinions!
RP community seems to disagree.
A game with open PvP provides the best roleplaying experience possible. Conflict is at the heart of every great story and PvP is conflict centric. Having enemies that you can truly interact with creates the most memorable experiences.
Opinions!
RP community seems to disagree.
Actually, Darkfall was an open, full-loot PvP gane and had the highest population of hardcore RP’ers per capita of any MMO I’ve ever seen, by a wide margin.
A game with open PvP provides the best roleplaying experience possible. Conflict is at the heart of every great story and PvP is conflict centric. Having enemies that you can truly interact with creates the most memorable experiences.
Opinions!
RP community seems to disagree.
RP community disagrees that conflict drives the best stories? I guess they don’t read enough fantasy novels then.
Here is a solution to your problem about having to do pvp for explorer.
If you don’t enjoy WvWvW (I do) it will simply take longer. Each week a new game comes about. Log into the game at different days and see which forts, towers and such your realm possesses. Run to those points and get them fulfilled. Each day these will change so you can get more of them done. Each week your realm can possibly be a different color so you will have access to ones you didn’t have before.
Occasionally you will get killed but you can learn to avoid it or you might even learn you enjoy it.
Like I said a method to get it done with minimal battles.
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That’s interesting to hear. But I think it had more to do with the open world/sandboxiness of the game.
A game with open PvP provides the best roleplaying experience possible. Conflict is at the heart of every great story and PvP is conflict centric. Having enemies that you can truly interact with creates the most memorable experiences.
Opinions!
RP community seems to disagree.
RP community disagrees that conflict drives the best stories? I guess they don’t read enough fantasy novels then.
Well, apparently the conflict we get here is when a Charr decides to curse a Human in a tavern in Divinity’s Reach. :P
You don’t actually have to pvp for it, just go to the maps. There’s plenty of pve content there to keep you busy.
Just go when you’re on the server that’s owning the relevant parts of the map. You’ll need to make a few trips, prob’ly. Note that you can just park yourself and wait til the points are controlled.
Note that you are also forced to WvW if you want a legendary. Yep. Or you could buy one, maybe.
Forced PVE!
I want to PVP and don’t feel like I should have to explore PVE areas to get 100% explored! =P
A game with open PvP provides the best roleplaying experience possible. Conflict is at the heart of every great story and PvP is conflict centric. Having enemies that you can truly interact with creates the most memorable experiences.
Opinions!
RP community seems to disagree.
RP community disagrees that conflict drives the best stories? I guess they don’t read enough fantasy novels then.
It isn’t conflict that some are avoiding; it is the people who think PVP means griefing and tea-bagging.
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