Guild Wars 2

I myself love GW2 and think it’s a fantastic game. I am hoping for many years of enjoyment to come.

So I was browsing the internet and came across a guys blog who linked a discussion about Colin stating there is no plans for a GW2 expansion.

To make a long story short, he basically was saying based upon what Colin was saying, that GW2 is doing ok, but not well enough (bringing in enough money) to warrant an expansion.

Granted the game is still so very new, but I just wanted to gather some others opinion about the game.

I myself REALLY hope GW2 is doing great because I think ArenaNet has made a really awesome game and wish them the best of success, and even if that means they need to inquire a small monthly fee to generate them some money I would be willing to pay it.

Anyway, what are your thoughts?

The game’s population will continue to decline as the population niche settles, and more will return as the game continues to get polished over time.

An expansion is a bit too soon.

Tharjax.9068:

I myself love GW2 and think it’s a fantastic game. I am hoping for many years of enjoyment to come.

So I was browsing the internet and came across a guys blog who linked a discussion about Colin stating there is no plans for a GW2 expansion.

To make a long story short, he basically was saying based upon what Colin was saying, that GW2 is doing ok, but not well enough (bringing in enough money) to warrant an expansion.

Granted the game is still so very new, but I just wanted to gather some others opinion about the game.

I myself REALLY hope GW2 is doing great because I think ArenaNet has made a really awesome game and wish them the best of success, and even if that means they need to inquire a small monthly fee to generate them some money I would be willing to pay it.

Anyway, what are your thoughts?

They are not planning an expansion because they’re focusing on polishing out the do’s and don’ts for the Living Story.

As for the money, there was a lot of talk about an NCSoft earnings report that stated that there had been enough cash flow to warrant an expansion.

I think they are just waiting to sell GW2 in China this year. And Maybe release the expansion next year globaly to maximize their profit.

At least that’s what I think. Probably a better marketing strategy to do so.

Oooh look another one of these threads… who really cares, whatever anyone says in answer to your question is merely guessing. The only people who really know the answer to your question are the bean counters back at HQ and can you really imagine them coming here to help allay your curiosity.
What is the point of your question, why does it matter really…. the only thing you need to worry about is whether your having fun or not.

Olba.5376:

They are not planning an expansion because they’re focusing on polishing out the do’s and don’ts for the Living Story.

As for the money, there was a lot of talk about an NCSoft earnings report that stated that there had been enough cash flow to warrant an expansion.

This is false information. What happened was that incoming revenue for GW2 dropped sharply (as in more than 30%) in the first quarter of 2013. As a consequence, an NCSoft official told media that an expansion was being planned, not as a conclusion that sales were strong enough to justify one, but the other way around: that an expansion would help bring up falling sales. That being said, the sales figures were that from January to March of 2013, GW2 still brought in more than 33 million U.S. dollars for Anet/NCSoft… Its speculation on my part, but to me the numbers suggest that most of that money came from gem sales, (as otherwise it would equate to something like half a million near players) and the earning report does mention sharply decreasing “box” sales for GW2.

Players who have problems with the game says it’s dying unless the devs cater to their requests.

Players who enjoy the game as is says it’s not.

Captain Bulldozer.9028:

Olba.5376:

They are not planning an expansion because they’re focusing on polishing out the do’s and don’ts for the Living Story.

As for the money, there was a lot of talk about an NCSoft earnings report that stated that there had been enough cash flow to warrant an expansion.

This is false information. What happened was that incoming revenue for GW2 dropped sharply (as in more than 30%) in the first quarter of 2013. As a consequence, an NCSoft official told media that an expansion was being planned, not as a conclusion that sales were strong enough to justify one, but the other way around: that an expansion would help bring up falling sales. That being said, the sales figures were that from January to March of 2013, GW2 still brought in more than 33 million U.S. dollars for Anet/NCSoft… Its speculation on my part, but to me the numbers suggest that most of that money came from gem sales, (as otherwise it would equate to something like half a million near players) and the earning report does mention sharply decreasing “box” sales for GW2.

Basically anyone who was going to buy the game has pretty much bought it already.

I still want my refund 8(

In MMO space, games generallly get expansions when interest in in decline. It’s how MMOs make money…at least one of the main ways.

Think about it. You’ve already got a huge staff of people working for you, who are already being paid. So making an expansion is actually not that expensive. You’ve already made your money back on the game, you already have the engine. You already have cash shop sales funding you.

Why would people think a game has to be doing WELL to have an expansion.

In most MMOs, traffic is at an all time low when an expansion comes out.

If Anet is planning living world stuff and giving away content basically for free…how does that mean they’re not doing well. They’ve already made the bulk of the investment in a game. If interest a down, an expansion is almost a requirement.

Unibot.5916:

I still want my refund 8(

There you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X9RvuSuU_Y

One word: False

Bloodstealer.5978:

What is the point of your question, why does it matter really…. the only thing you need to worry about is whether your having fun or not.

Maybe people is beginning to loss interest and new content will make the game fun again for them? At least that is why I care.

This is by no means next generation MMO and there’s no real good innovations either, and no, DEs and hearts are renamed quests.

They are definitely going to want to have an expansion waiting in the wings with TESO, Wildstar, FF14: ARR, Archeage, etc. on the horizon. I hope they don’t think that the living story is fun and compelling enough to hang on to players.

Rooks Zaer.5846:

They are definitely going to want to have an expansion waiting in the wings with TESO, Wildstar, FF14: ARR, Archeage, etc. on the horizon. I hope they don’t think that the living story is fun and compelling enough to hang on to players.

Well, not Wildstar, as that is an NCsoft game. If anything they will not want to overlap with that game.

Bloodstealer.5978:

Oooh look another one of these threads… who really cares, whatever anyone says in answer to your question is merely guessing. The only people who really know the answer to your question are the bean counters back at HQ and can you really imagine them coming here to help allay your curiosity.
What is the point of your question, why does it matter really…. the only thing you need to worry about is whether your having fun or not.

Your reply offers nothing to my post. Why did you come and post here besides the fact that you can?

I am asking a sincere question in regards to a blog/news article that I read that also involved interview questions with Colin Johanson.

I was simply trying to see other peoples perspective on the subject as someone else might know something different.

I never said that this game was dieing in my post, I was simply inquiring about an expansion in the game and if it is feasible with the business model of free to play.

So please stop posting here with your banter if you have nothing productive to say in regards to the original topic. Because this is not just “Oh another one of those threads”.

My reply to the OP is don’t pay attention to the bloggers. After that interview with Colin, there has been talk of expansion on the horizon by NCSoft shareholders. ArenaNet started hiring as well shortly after that interview.

The Living Story stuff(as ArenaNet gets better at it) is awesome. I can not wait to see what they are doing with that type of content a year from now when they start operating it like a well oiled machine. I find it way more enjoyable than churning through an expansion on all my characters where it is rehashed content. Southsun is awesome now and it isn’t even done yet. I think to look at F&F as the end all of this type of content is overwhelmingly myopic. ArenaNet will just keep getting better and better at this stuff.

Keep your chin up soldier. This game isn’t going anywhere.

NCsoft is a publicly traded company so if you want to know how its doing you can simply look to their quarterly report to investors. They are not allowed to fudge anything there unless they want a lawsuit. NCsoft clearly states that GuildWars2 has has been falling and they are considering an expansion to help revive it. A quick search resulted this article summarizing their last quarterly report. I’ve included a quote from it below.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-05-13-ncsoft-profits-up-yoy-but-down-on-last-quarter

“Korea remained NCsoft’s biggest market with 64 per cent of sales, up from 43 per cent last quarter. North America’s share fell from 25 per cent to 13 per cent, while Europe fell from 18 per cent to 8 per cent. The company’s biggest seller for Q1 2013 was Lineage 1, but Guild Wars 2 still maintained a 21 per cent share.

NCsoft’s managing director, Nah Seong Chan, also hinted during the earnings call that the company was planning to address falling Guild Wars 2 sales with a new expansion pack.

“In terms of box sales and microtransactions are still very strong, and of course we are preparing an expansion pack but in terms of when we will actually launch it, it’s something we are still monitoring… We are looking to the performance of the game and then we will decide what will be the best time to do the launch.”

Unfortunately developer ArenaNet doesn’t appear to have got the memo, with director Colin Johanson saying as recently as March that none were currently planned.

“Expansions are definitely something that we’ll potentially look at in the future, but we don’t have a timetable on it. We’re open to it, but I think our major focus as a studio is making the living world concept as strong as possibly can for the players that we’ve got.”

Just because the games -box- sales are not as strong as launch time -box- sales 9 months into the games lifespan does not mean that the game isn’t doing well. NCsoft, and ArenaNet both have reported that both the game, and gem store items are performing extremely well, and that the active player base is continually growing. Think about it, they have all these servers, and have had to bump caps up over multiple updates to accommodate the growth…They stopped bumping caps a couple of months ago, and now servers are reaching “Full” status again.

GW2 is doing pretty fantastically I would say, especially for 9 months into launch.

That being said, I think their focus on town clothes is a bit of an annoying choice for the gem shop, they would probably see a significant boost of income by making exclusive armor set skins for the gem shop, more regularly instead. And so that they can also make new skins for future dungeon content, etc they could do themes for the gem shop items like bringing in the best GW1 armor skins for the gem shop…And/or sets that fit the theme of a current living story/update cycle.

Awesome input guys this is exactly what I was looking for!

@Evan, I am barely into the game right now and still am unaware of the whole idea of living world and do I need to do something special for this type of quest?

Thanks in advance!

They mentioned an expansion but not because GW2 was doing well, but because they said it wasn’t doing well enough and wanted to spike the sales. The problem isn’t all the developers tho some of us have noticed that they took a massive amount of money from the first sales of GW2 and sent that money elsewhere instead of improving this title, and most of the content that’s come out is basically automatic mode considering the small amounts they have been and how quickly people have been able to complete them including the extremely casual players like myself who rush thru nothing quickly.

It’s one thing to try to control problems, it’s entirely another to mislead your players and keep people from being rewarded in game (which is basically what this boils down to) people play games to get rewards, that’s been a thing since the beginning. If you cut that off from happening people are just naturally not going to waste our time with it.

Also, there’s a misconception here. this game isn’t new at all, it’s been almost a year and the list of bugs keeps growing not shrinking which will also lead to smaller population. Smaller population = smaller profits.

tigirius.9014:

They mentioned an expansion but not because GW2 was doing well, but because they said it wasn’t doing well enough and wanted to spike the sales. The problem isn’t all the developers tho some of us have noticed that they took a massive amount of money from the first sales of GW2 and sent that money elsewhere instead of improving this title, and most of the content that’s come out is basically automatic mode considering the small amounts they have been and how quickly people have been able to complete them including the extremely casual players like myself who rush thru nothing quickly.

It’s one thing to try to control problems, it’s entirely another to mislead your players and keep people from being rewarded in game (which is basically what this boils down to) people play games to get rewards, that’s been a thing since the beginning. If you cut that off from happening people are just naturally not going to waste our time with it.

Also, there’s a misconception here. this game isn’t new at all, it’s been almost a year and the list of bugs keeps growing not shrinking which will also lead to smaller population. Smaller population = smaller profits.

So with a new expansion you think they will add a better reward system? I am nowhere near level 80 yet, but by the looks of things there are a lot of different armor sets you can try and get.

Is this not good enough to keep people busy with the game? So in short you are saying Anet game WAS successful in some departments but in the longevity department they dropped the ball?

This is an amazing game and there is plenty for people do to in it (fractals, dungeons, map completion, jumping puzzles, wvw, pvp, achievements, personal story, living story, meta-events, daily achievements). If someone bought the game soon after launch and did a lot of grinding or farming, of if they just play A LOT, I could see where they would be looking for a new game. If you are more casual with your time invested and slow down to enjoy the many aspects of the game, then there is more than enough to do to last for a while assuming you are interesting in all aspects of the game. Some of it can start to feel the same after a while though, and this is where having some friends to play with in-game can make things more enjoyable.

Stone.6751:

Unfortunately developer ArenaNet doesn’t appear to have got the memo, with director Colin Johanson saying as recently as March that none were currently planned.

“Expansions are definitely something that we’ll potentially look at in the future, but we don’t have a timetable on it. We’re open to it, but I think our major focus as a studio is making the living world concept as strong as possibly can for the players that we’ve got.”

Try as recently as 12 days ago.

http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/05/14/ncsoft-clarifies-stance-on-guild-wars-2-expansion/

You have to understand who is on the other end of the investor’s conference call, analysts, mutual fund managers and other large holders of stock. They see GW2 dropping 69% quarter to quarter they need more than “transitioning to cash store for income” to keep their nerves in check. After all GW had three “expansions” (I know the first two really aren’t) to keep the income flowing. The rest of NCSOFT’s MMO titles in Korea are subscription based, this B2P but with a cash shop idea for the west is an unknown and unknowns are scary to stock holders. So they “suggested” that an expansion is in the works, just not now, or soon.

Plus they can always point out that in the 7 months reported since GW2 came out, it has had sales that exceeded the 7 years of Guild Wars, just in the west with Korea, China and Japan yet to come.

You know, I can’t believe this game wouldn’t be doing well. You check the NA world population counts and it’s right there. Either Very High or Full. Yeah, this game’s definitely dying…

Arnox.5128:

You know, I can’t believe this game wouldn’t be doing well. You check the NA world population counts and it’s right there. Either Very High or Full. Yeah, this game’s definitely dying…

I have seen some pretty dead game with quote on quote “high” population server too.

And full just mean they don’t want you to trasnfer there.

I’m sure GW2 is doing fine. Without a subscription it isn’t too hard to hold on player.

But those high, very high population on server list don’t really show anything. Only thing it show is full server have more people than other which isn’t full.

I’m surprise every server is very high. Maybe some of them shouldn’t be called very high.

The obvious is there.

Of course not.

Behellagh.1468:

You have to understand who is on the other end of the investor’s conference call, analysts, mutual fund managers and other large holders of stock. They see GW2 dropping 69% quarter to quarter they need more than “transitioning to cash store for income” to keep their nerves in check. After all GW had three “expansions” (I know the first two really aren’t) to keep the income flowing. The rest of NCSOFT’s MMO titles in Korea are subscription based, this B2P but with a cash shop idea for the west is an unknown and unknowns are scary to stock holders. So they “suggested” that an expansion is in the works, just not now, or soon.
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It’s just corporate double-speak. Six months after a high-profile game launches it’s NOT going to sell as fast as it did in the first two months. People who have been literally waiting for years to see the game released aren’t going to say “oh, well maybe I’ll buy it next year sometime,” they buy it the moment they can get their hands on it. Six months later people aren’t in such a hurry to get it, so sales level off.

Most investors don’t actually play the games, though, so they might not have the same perspective on them. Mentioning that there are already long-term plans being worked on helps to reassure them that the game won’t disappear.

Arnox.5128:

You know, I can’t believe this game wouldn’t be doing well. You check the NA world population counts and it’s right there. Either Very High or Full. Yeah, this game’s definitely dying…

My understanding is the population descriptions of ‘Very High’ or ‘Full’ etc do not show active players, just how many accounts are tied to the server, so in that case a ‘Full’ server could have no one playing in it. Also, you can easily guest on a ‘Full’ server no problems, I did this last night.

They have the entire world of Tyria to fill in. Lots of old places I want to go back to and see again.

An expansion for GW2 should mean only one thing. Going to Cantha or Elona. So we don’t need an expansion for quite a long time.

It’s doing fine for now. It shouldn’t have much to worry about till the next new batch of MMO’s containing some of the same design decisions that were implemented here are released.

Tharjax.9068:

Bloodstealer.5978:

Oooh look another one of these threads… who really cares, whatever anyone says in answer to your question is merely guessing. The only people who really know the answer to your question are the bean counters back at HQ and can you really imagine them coming here to help allay your curiosity.
What is the point of your question, why does it matter really…. the only thing you need to worry about is whether your having fun or not.

Your reply offers nothing to my post. Why did you come and post here besides the fact that you can?

I am asking a sincere question in regards to a blog/news article that I read that also involved interview questions with Colin Johanson.

I was simply trying to see other peoples perspective on the subject as someone else might know something different.

I never said that this game was dieing in my post, I was simply inquiring about an expansion in the game and if it is feasible with the business model of free to play.

So please stop posting here with your banter if you have nothing productive to say in regards to the original topic. Because this is not just “Oh another one of those threads”.

It is exactly “another one of those threads”… you are asking for opinions on a subject no one except those back at HQ can actually answer.
Your thread is about “Is GW2 doing ok, true or false?”… not enquiring about an expansion so please stop back peddling.

Every MMO since the dawn of time has a plethora of these “its dieing, its doing excellent, is it doing good or bad blah blah blah”… when all you have to do is simply ask yourself Do I enjoy the game, is it worth my time, if an expansion is coming then does is merit me spending real cash on it.. if you answered yes to the questions then all is good and the game is doing well for you.
If however you answer No then you need to think carefully on how to spend your money..

Now please tell me how other players opinions help you decide these answers.. or maybe your just someone that likes to be led by others opinions and walk of the cliff when its deemed a great thing to do by someone else.

As for your new question “Is it feasible for a F2P business model to offer expansions” how else do you think the game will expand.. small content patches are great stocking fillers but they are merely that.. fillers. They also allow ANET or other game studios to test out new mechanics, new ideas etc. on a live platform and see how the playerbase reacts to it… then when the time is right an expansion will be announced in order to keep the playerbase interested, to draw old players back and promote a new array of players to the game.

My question to you is – why do you think a F2P business model should make any difference when it comes to developing and releasing an expansion… did you ever play GW1? or any other MMO that is or that now offers F2P options cos I am pretty sure they all have expansions at one time or another as do P2P games… not sure why you even asked tbh.

Please don’t be naive.

Anet is filling their pocket with money, mainly through the gem store and stuff of dubious morality like gambling.

If they don’t make an expansion is simply because the psychopaths and the algorithms that make the business decisions realized that a fraction of the effort it would take to make an expansion can instead be used to make false “new content” such as the southsun event and bring lots and lots of revenue.

I bet it was easier to make sclerite skin weapons than it is to make an expansion. Wonder how many cash they make by poor people buying crates haha.

Bloodstealer.5978:

Tharjax.9068:

Bloodstealer.5978:

Oooh look another one of these threads… who really cares, whatever anyone says in answer to your question is merely guessing. The only people who really know the answer to your question are the bean counters back at HQ and can you really imagine them coming here to help allay your curiosity.
What is the point of your question, why does it matter really…. the only thing you need to worry about is whether your having fun or not.

Your reply offers nothing to my post. Why did you come and post here besides the fact that you can?

I am asking a sincere question in regards to a blog/news article that I read that also involved interview questions with Colin Johanson.

I was simply trying to see other peoples perspective on the subject as someone else might know something different.

I never said that this game was dieing in my post, I was simply inquiring about an expansion in the game and if it is feasible with the business model of free to play.

So please stop posting here with your banter if you have nothing productive to say in regards to the original topic. Because this is not just “Oh another one of those threads”.

It is exactly “another one of those threads”… you are asking for opinions on a subject no one except those back at HQ can actually answer.
Your thread is about “Is GW2 doing ok, true or false?”… not enquiring about an expansion so please stop back peddling.

Every MMO since the dawn of time has a plethora of these “its dieing, its doing excellent, is it doing good or bad blah blah blah”… when all you have to do is simply ask yourself Do I enjoy the game, is it worth my time, if an expansion is coming then does is merit me spending real cash on it.. if you answered yes to the questions then all is good and the game is doing well for you.
If however you answer No then you need to think carefully on how to spend your money..

Now please tell me how other players opinions help you decide these answers.. or maybe your just someone that likes to be led by others opinions and walk of the cliff when its deemed a great thing to do by someone else.

No actually if you read my original post my thread was in regards to some interview questions with Colin Johanson.

In regards to that interview I thought I would ask on here to see if there has been any dev response to this if someone else may have brought up the subject since the devs are active in this community.

If you read my post you would see that I wasn’t saying the game is dieing at all. You are putting words into my mouth.

I was simply putting across the table that according to the interview maybe the game itself is not collecting enough money due to no monthly subscription to the game.

I was also stating that I wouldn’t mind paying a small subscription to this game because I really like this game.

And Yes it does matter to me what is happening to this game, because if there is no player base then its not worth playing to me.

So please stop being a d-wad and coming onto my thread AGAIN with nothing constructive to put forth, thanks!

Bloodstealer.5978:

Tharjax.9068:

Bloodstealer.5978:

Oooh look another one of these threads… who really cares, whatever anyone says in answer to your question is merely guessing. The only people who really know the answer to your question are the bean counters back at HQ and can you really imagine them coming here to help allay your curiosity.
What is the point of your question, why does it matter really…. the only thing you need to worry about is whether your having fun or not.

Your reply offers nothing to my post. Why did you come and post here besides the fact that you can?

I am asking a sincere question in regards to a blog/news article that I read that also involved interview questions with Colin Johanson.

I was simply trying to see other peoples perspective on the subject as someone else might know something different.

I never said that this game was dieing in my post, I was simply inquiring about an expansion in the game and if it is feasible with the business model of free to play.

So please stop posting here with your banter if you have nothing productive to say in regards to the original topic. Because this is not just “Oh another one of those threads”.

It is exactly “another one of those threads”… you are asking for opinions on a subject no one except those back at HQ can actually answer.
Your thread is about “Is GW2 doing ok, true or false?”… not enquiring about an expansion so please stop back peddling.

Every MMO since the dawn of time has a plethora of these “its dieing, its doing excellent, is it doing good or bad blah blah blah”… when all you have to do is simply ask yourself Do I enjoy the game, is it worth my time, if an expansion is coming then does is merit me spending real cash on it.. if you answered yes to the questions then all is good and the game is doing well for you.
If however you answer No then you need to think carefully on how to spend your money..

Now please tell me how other players opinions help you decide these answers.. or maybe your just someone that likes to be led by others opinions and walk of the cliff when its deemed a great thing to do by someone else.

As for your new question “Is it feasible for a F2P business model to offer expansions” how else do you think the game will expand.. small content patches are great stocking fillers but they are merely that.. fillers. They also allow ANET or other game studios to test out new mechanics, new ideas etc. on a live platform and see how the playerbase reacts to it… then when the time is right an expansion will be announced in order to keep the playerbase interested, to draw old players back and promote a new array of players to the game.

My question to you is – why do you think a F2P business model should make any difference when it comes to developing and releasing an expansion… did you ever play GW1? or any other MMO that is or that now offers F2P options cos I am pretty sure they all have expansions at one time or another as do P2P games… not sure why you even asked tbh.

Player opinion plays a great part in whether a game is doing well or not, just as much as the metrics that the devs receive from game tools.

This is where honest gamerkitten fanboi or hater territory. You have to find out for yourself.

I had to move to Magumma to play with guildies otherwise it would have been and was tumbleweed city.

Tharjax.9068:

Bloodstealer.5978:

Tharjax.9068:

Bloodstealer.5978:

Oooh look another one of these threads… who really cares, whatever anyone says in answer to your question is merely guessing. The only people who really know the answer to your question are the bean counters back at HQ and can you really imagine them coming here to help allay your curiosity.
What is the point of your question, why does it matter really…. the only thing you need to worry about is whether your having fun or not.

Your reply offers nothing to my post. Why did you come and post here besides the fact that you can?

I am asking a sincere question in regards to a blog/news article that I read that also involved interview questions with Colin Johanson.

I was simply trying to see other peoples perspective on the subject as someone else might know something different.

I never said that this game was dieing in my post, I was simply inquiring about an expansion in the game and if it is feasible with the business model of free to play.

So please stop posting here with your banter if you have nothing productive to say in regards to the original topic. Because this is not just “Oh another one of those threads”.

It is exactly “another one of those threads”… you are asking for opinions on a subject no one except those back at HQ can actually answer.
Your thread is about “Is GW2 doing ok, true or false?”… not enquiring about an expansion so please stop back peddling.

Every MMO since the dawn of time has a plethora of these “its dieing, its doing excellent, is it doing good or bad blah blah blah”… when all you have to do is simply ask yourself Do I enjoy the game, is it worth my time, if an expansion is coming then does is merit me spending real cash on it.. if you answered yes to the questions then all is good and the game is doing well for you.
If however you answer No then you need to think carefully on how to spend your money..

Now please tell me how other players opinions help you decide these answers.. or maybe your just someone that likes to be led by others opinions and walk of the cliff when its deemed a great thing to do by someone else.

No actually if you read my original post my thread was in regards to some interview questions with Colin Johanson.

In regards to that interview I thought I would ask on here to see if there has been any dev response to this if someone else may have brought up the subject since the devs are active in this community.

If you read my post you would see that I wasn’t saying the game is dieing at all. You are putting words into my mouth.

I was simply putting across the table that according to the interview maybe the game itself is not collecting enough money due to no monthly subscription to the game.

I was also stating that I wouldn’t mind paying a small subscription to this game because I really like this game.

And Yes it does matter to me what is happening to this game, because if there is no player base then its not worth playing to me.

So please stop being a d-wad and coming onto my thread AGAIN with nothing constructive to put forth, thanks!

You might wish to take some of your own advice… read what I said.. it has nothing to do with you saying “GW2 is dieing” its got everything to do with why should others opinions on your question make any difference to how you view the game… entirely different.

You asked a question I gave you my opinion… if you cant take it that not everyone shares your views or has the same interest in subjects you have no knowledge of except baseless heresay then I am sorry but maybe reconsider what your thread topic is all about… ooh and nice attempt at insults btw, shows your level of maturity, maybe ask mom for some warm milk to go with that cookie I hear it help to reduce tantrums when you cant get your own way with things.

All 4 of my favorite servers are full… the rest are very full. Think we need yet another upgrade on server size.

I’m not sure is this means anything at all. I don’t remember squabbling like this over pointless things in GW in the GWGuru forums.

I viewed everyone there as a potential ally, here, not so much.

Console mentality?

killcannon.2576:

Bloodstealer.5978:

Tharjax.9068:

Bloodstealer.5978:

Oooh look another one of these threads… who really cares, whatever anyone says in answer to your question is merely guessing. The only people who really know the answer to your question are the bean counters back at HQ and can you really imagine them coming here to help allay your curiosity.
What is the point of your question, why does it matter really…. the only thing you need to worry about is whether your having fun or not.

Your reply offers nothing to my post. Why did you come and post here besides the fact that you can?

I am asking a sincere question in regards to a blog/news article that I read that also involved interview questions with Colin Johanson.

I was simply trying to see other peoples perspective on the subject as someone else might know something different.

I never said that this game was dieing in my post, I was simply inquiring about an expansion in the game and if it is feasible with the business model of free to play.

So please stop posting here with your banter if you have nothing productive to say in regards to the original topic. Because this is not just “Oh another one of those threads”.

It is exactly “another one of those threads”… you are asking for opinions on a subject no one except those back at HQ can actually answer.
Your thread is about “Is GW2 doing ok, true or false?”… not enquiring about an expansion so please stop back peddling.

Every MMO since the dawn of time has a plethora of these “its dieing, its doing excellent, is it doing good or bad blah blah blah”… when all you have to do is simply ask yourself Do I enjoy the game, is it worth my time, if an expansion is coming then does is merit me spending real cash on it.. if you answered yes to the questions then all is good and the game is doing well for you.
If however you answer No then you need to think carefully on how to spend your money..

Now please tell me how other players opinions help you decide these answers.. or maybe your just someone that likes to be led by others opinions and walk of the cliff when its deemed a great thing to do by someone else.

As for your new question “Is it feasible for a F2P business model to offer expansions” how else do you think the game will expand.. small content patches are great stocking fillers but they are merely that.. fillers. They also allow ANET or other game studios to test out new mechanics, new ideas etc. on a live platform and see how the playerbase reacts to it… then when the time is right an expansion will be announced in order to keep the playerbase interested, to draw old players back and promote a new array of players to the game.

My question to you is – why do you think a F2P business model should make any difference when it comes to developing and releasing an expansion… did you ever play GW1? or any other MMO that is or that now offers F2P options cos I am pretty sure they all have expansions at one time or another as do P2P games… not sure why you even asked tbh.

Player opinion plays a great part in whether a game is doing well or not, just as much as the metrics that the devs receive from game tools.

Agreed.. but asking others to answer a question such as “is X game dieing true or false?” when such answers will only be based on pure conjecture in order to formulate their own opinions is silly at best but as I have said.. every MMO has this or similar question asked over and over and over.

If NCSOFT popped on here and said.. yes OP its true the game is loosing concurrent logins each day at the moment and currently we have no plan for an expansion to be released in the near future… does that suddenly mean you cant enjoy the game anymore.. NO so why ask the question in the first place, and when players provide an answer/opinion what difference does that make to your own view on the game…. but then to attempt to throw insults back at people who provide the OP with an opinion on his/her thread… well that right their tells me the OP has failed to understand why he/she actually started the thread for in the first place.

The game itself still needs some work and has some serious challenges to overcome but it is still young so that is normal. All in all Gw2 is doing very well, take a look at the server populations, they are all full. Box sales has dropped but that is normal, you can only sell so many boxes before everyone has one.

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Bloodstealer.5978:

killcannon.2576:

Bloodstealer.5978:

Tharjax.9068:

Bloodstealer.5978:

Oooh look another one of these threads… who really cares, whatever anyone says in answer to your question is merely guessing. The only people who really know the answer to your question are the bean counters back at HQ and can you really imagine them coming here to help allay your curiosity.
What is the point of your question, why does it matter really…. the only thing you need to worry about is whether your having fun or not.

Your reply offers nothing to my post. Why did you come and post here besides the fact that you can?

I am asking a sincere question in regards to a blog/news article that I read that also involved interview questions with Colin Johanson.

I was simply trying to see other peoples perspective on the subject as someone else might know something different.

I never said that this game was dieing in my post, I was simply inquiring about an expansion in the game and if it is feasible with the business model of free to play.

So please stop posting here with your banter if you have nothing productive to say in regards to the original topic. Because this is not just “Oh another one of those threads”.

It is exactly “another one of those threads”… you are asking for opinions on a subject no one except those back at HQ can actually answer.
Your thread is about “Is GW2 doing ok, true or false?”… not enquiring about an expansion so please stop back peddling.

Every MMO since the dawn of time has a plethora of these “its dieing, its doing excellent, is it doing good or bad blah blah blah”… when all you have to do is simply ask yourself Do I enjoy the game, is it worth my time, if an expansion is coming then does is merit me spending real cash on it.. if you answered yes to the questions then all is good and the game is doing well for you.
If however you answer No then you need to think carefully on how to spend your money..

Now please tell me how other players opinions help you decide these answers.. or maybe your just someone that likes to be led by others opinions and walk of the cliff when its deemed a great thing to do by someone else.

As for your new question “Is it feasible for a F2P business model to offer expansions” how else do you think the game will expand.. small content patches are great stocking fillers but they are merely that.. fillers. They also allow ANET or other game studios to test out new mechanics, new ideas etc. on a live platform and see how the playerbase reacts to it… then when the time is right an expansion will be announced in order to keep the playerbase interested, to draw old players back and promote a new array of players to the game.

My question to you is – why do you think a F2P business model should make any difference when it comes to developing and releasing an expansion… did you ever play GW1? or any other MMO that is or that now offers F2P options cos I am pretty sure they all have expansions at one time or another as do P2P games… not sure why you even asked tbh.

Player opinion plays a great part in whether a game is doing well or not, just as much as the metrics that the devs receive from game tools.

Agreed.. but asking others to answer a question such as “is X game dieing true or false?” when such answers will only be based on pure conjecture in order to formulate their own opinions is silly at best but as I have said.. every MMO has this or similar question asked over and over and over.

If NCSOFT popped on here and said.. yes OP its true the game is loosing concurrent logins each day at the moment and currently we have no plan for an expansion to be released in the near future… does that suddenly mean you cant enjoy the game anymore.. NO so why ask the question in the first place, and when players provide an answer/opinion what difference does that make to your own view on the game…. but then to attempt to throw insults back at people who provide the OP with an opinion on his/her thread… well that right their tells me the OP has failed to understand why he/she actually started the thread for in the first place.

You absolutely fail to see what I am writing on here, and are too stubborn to see past your own ignorance.

Again I’m through with you because obviously other individuals knew what I meant when I made this thread, you are the only one who didn’t.

So farewell I will not respond to any more of your banter.

Paul.4081:

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9 viewers, that doesn’t even count. Does anybody even use xfire anymore?

Aww OP I am sorry I hurt your ego.. I absolutely do see what your writing on here, but you just don’t accept that some people don’t share your opinions or concerns.

You say you really enjoy the game.. so for the third time of asking – why should others opinions make any difference to your views and enjoyment of the game and why should ANETS F2P business model have anything to do with expansion feasibility?… ooh wait you said your not responding anymore, fair enough, enjoy.

Fernling.1729:

Paul.4081:

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9 viewers, that doesn’t even count. Does anybody even use xfire anymore?

Well apparently 9 people do.. armed with a large pinch of salt I guess

Bloodstealer:

It shouldn’t make a difference to your own view, but it does. Human condition. People ask for reassurance in real life just as much or more than in games: Am I doing the right thing? What do you think of this idea? Do these pants make me look fat? People should be independent and rely more on their own ideas and feelings, but it doesn’t happen very often.

One of the things these discussions can bring out, if they do not devolve into the typical “I’m right, you’re wrong” mindset, is why people feel a certain way about the game. These kinds of ideas can actually help a developer with design decisions that affect the player base. It’s up to us to try to keep these discussions objective if possible, even if it is hard in the face of all the skepticism/blind optimism. It’s hard not to go rageblind, I can’t count the number of posts I’ve deleted halfway though because I started to lose my objectivity.

The core of any MMO is the players. When people ask if this game is still being played a lot, that’s actually a good question. If an MMO doesn’t have very many players at all then it turns into a single player game. And since any MMO worth anything is meant to be played with others, it’s gonna lose around 70% of what makes the game fun.

killcannon.2576:

Bloodstealer:

It shouldn’t make a difference to your own view, but it does. Human condition. People ask for reassurance in real life just as much or more than in games: Am I doing the right thing? What do you think of this idea? Do these pants make me look fat? People should be independent and rely more on their own ideas and feelings, but it doesn’t happen very often.

One of the things these discussions can bring out, if they do not devolve into the typical “I’m right, you’re wrong” mindset, is why people feel a certain way about the game. These kinds of ideas can actually help a developer with design decisions that affect the player base. It’s up to us to try to keep these discussions objective if possible, even if it is hard in the face of all the skepticism/blind optimism. It’s hard not to go rageblind, I can’t count the number of posts I’ve deleted halfway though because I started to lose my objectivity.

Exactly.. hence why I refused budge from middle ground when someone asks for an opinion that I can only base on nothing more than pure conjecture.. in order for them to formulate or further enhance their own opinions… that is nothing more than fail.

The OP refuses to accept that and instead took the insult route in an attempt to throw a smoke screen over the questions being put back to him/her.

Yes open discussion on actuals and factuals around the game can and often do add value and possibly do help to shape the directions of the game sometimes, though from experience their are a lot more people, process and “bank managers” in place that have a much wider peripheral vision on the game and what can, cant, will, wont be added. However.. starting a thread “IS GW2 dieing, True or False” really doesn’t promote much in the way of ideas.. just optimism and scheptisism