at this point, i no longer have ANY faith that anything in this game is dropping at the rate they are suppose to. nothing at all. And that belief is so prevalent among the player base and Anet will never be able to repair that
There is a video on youtube where the guys gets 2 kudzu back to back,iirc he gets the first one,open his storage and leaves the kudzu there,when he went back to MF to try again he got another Kudzu.
And looks like his storage is full of Dusks and Dawns
RNG. Did you ask your friend exactly how many rates/exotics he threw in?
Also, all accounts are equal. One account is no luckier than another.
This is completely false. It was finally proven with Maze Balm farming rats. Mobs are guaranteed drop until DR kicks in. Guess what? Some people could farm for hours and get full drops all time, others including me couldnt go for more than 10 minutes before we got 0 drops. This 100% proved that not all accounts are equal.
You may get lucky, but you may also be unlucky.
I won 8 games solo que in pvp, a day later I was on a 15 or so losing streak.
All accounts are equal, you may just be playing during your lucky time, but sooner or later the other guy is going to catch up and even it out. Law of Large Numbers.
RNG. Did you ask your friend exactly how many rates/exotics he threw in?
Also, all accounts are equal. One account is no luckier than another.
This is completely false. It was finally proven with Maze Balm farming rats. Mobs are guaranteed drop until DR kicks in. Guess what? Some people could farm for hours and get full drops all time, others including me couldnt go for more than 10 minutes before we got 0 drops. This 100% proved that not all accounts are equal.
You may get lucky, but you may also be unlucky.
I won 8 games solo que in pvp, a day later I was on a 15 or so losing streak.
All accounts are equal, you may just be playing during your lucky time, but sooner or later the other guy is going to catch up and even it out. Law of Large Numbers.
RNG. Did you ask your friend exactly how many rates/exotics he threw in?
Also, all accounts are equal. One account is no luckier than another.
This is completely false. It was finally proven with Maze Balm farming rats. Mobs are guaranteed drop until DR kicks in. Guess what? Some people could farm for hours and get full drops all time, others including me couldnt go for more than 10 minutes before we got 0 drops. This 100% proved that not all accounts are equal.
Nope. It’s been stated by Anet that all accounts are equal.
They also stated that there are differences that shouldn’t be.
Be careful with any kind of stochastic matters . In a previous post you stated about reading about RNG. Combinatorics and Permutation aren’t the only factors of RNG-based systems.
4 dusks and 5 dawns in 4 days without showing video’s or screenies is a bit lie.
If it realy happened your friend would take massive screenshots and post it here, cause that is something huge. Don’t buy the lies.
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No that’s how randomness works.
I’ve done a bit of googling to find a nice example for you, although given my lack of personal investment I just took the first article I could find (http://www.sixthform.info/maths/?p=132&c=1). If you google “more random by making it less random” you’ll probably be able to find a few better articles.
Basically it relates to how the itunes playists had to be made less random in order to make it seem more random. What I’m getting at is that, randomness does actually produce seemingly unrandom patterns.
Yes but you cannot just assume that you are correct based on the very unlikely chance that there’s a bug in the system and especially when there’s a very credible and tested mathematical theory as to how this can happen.
I go with my own misanthropic version of occam’s razor myself.
Even if it sounds ridiculous, I see no reason why he or his friend should be lying, unless you have ADHD.
Not seeing the connection between ADHD and lying… unless you have ADHD and thus you’re lying… but are you lying about lying… or telling the truth by lying… or lying by telling the truth… I’m confused.
This whole thread just makes me think that the one night I got The Lover out of the MF and then logged off and went to bed…. I should have stayed up and put more stuff in that thing!!!! AAAARRRRGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My one lucky shot is … gone… just .. gone.
at this point, i no longer have ANY faith that anything in this game is dropping at the rate they are suppose to.
Which is a silly statement, since we’ve never been told (officially) the drop rates of anything in game. So the idea that there’s a ‘suppose to’ drop rate which isn’t being met seems odd.
Okay, since I am in the same guild as the OP and was online every time our guildie began his mystic forge quest I’ll post some screenies. I only have access to the ones he shared on FB, so I do not have all of them. But the ones I have are attached.
Also, all accounts are equal. One account is no luckier than another.
I would believe that if the RNG was pure random, but such is not the case with the RNG mechanism in GW2. Anet needs to look into their RNG algorithm because too often you find always the same accounts having luck with RNG over and over, while other outlier accounts never get anything.
Some account-specific factor/seed must be swaying the RNG in some players’ favour, to this end I’m not leaving anything to RNG in this game.
2+ years down the line, I’m only now done hoarding every kitten thing for my legendary and purchased the precursor off the TP and soon going to craft my 1st (and probably last) legendary.
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Okay, since I am in the same guild as the OP and was online every time our guildie began his mystic forge quest I’ll post some screenies. I only have access to the ones he shared on FB, so I do not have all of them. But the ones I have are attached.
He’s a guildie of mine and posted the pics of the other guildie. Here’s your proof everyone.
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Okay, since I am in the same guild as the OP and was online every time our guildie began his mystic forge quest I’ll post some screenies. I only have access to the ones he shared on FB, so I do not have all of them. But the ones I have are attached.
So does he always change his utility skill layout between forges?
Okay, since I am in the same guild as the OP and was online every time our guildie began his mystic forge quest I’ll post some screenies. I only have access to the ones he shared on FB, so I do not have all of them. But the ones I have are attached.
So does he always change his utility skill layout between forges?
What a dumb question lolz how should I know? These are screens from the last 3 days.
Also, all accounts are equal. One account is no luckier than another.
I would believe that if the RNG was pure random, but such is not the case with the RNG mechanism in GW2. Anet needs to look into their RNG algorithm because too often you find always the same accounts having luck with RNG over and over, while other outlier accounts never get anything.
Some account-specific factor/seed must be swaying the RNG in some players’ favour, to this end I’m not leaving anything to RNG in this game.
2+ years down the line, I’m only now done hoarding every kitten thing for my legendary and purchased the precursor off the TP and soon going to craft my 1st (and probably last) legendary.
Of course. When I see someone when multiple times at the lottery or off scratch it’s then it must be because of some flaw in the system that let’s them win. You are so quick to assume that there has to be a flaw in the system because you see the rare cases where someone is on the lower end of the curve as an outlier and has great results but you completely ignore the others. All of this can easy be explained with a basic understanding of probability.
So many people are under the false assumption that probability is equally spread across everyone. For example, if a coin has a 50% chance of landing on either side, these same people would assume that you’d get exactly 50% of each off any even number sample size. They completely ignore that it’s an average where there’s a range below and above that most people fall in and that there are the relatively few that can fall outside of that range as outliers.
RNG. Did you ask your friend exactly how many rates/exotics he threw in?
Also, all accounts are equal. One account is no luckier than another.
This is completely false. It was finally proven with Maze Balm farming rats. Mobs are guaranteed drop until DR kicks in. Guess what? Some people could farm for hours and get full drops all time, others including me couldnt go for more than 10 minutes before we got 0 drops. This 100% proved that not all accounts are equal.
Nope. It’s been stated by Anet that all accounts are equal.
They also stated that there are differences that shouldn’t be.
Be careful with any kind of stochastic matters . In a previous post you stated about reading about RNG. Combinatorics and Permutation aren’t the only factors of RNG-based systems.
Did you read that thread? They were talking about the outliers and how some people can be on the bad end of the curve. These are the ones that can spend over 2000G in the mystic forge and not get a precursor. Statistically it’s very possible for someone to end up in a situation such as this and be an outlier. The same can be said for someone who spends 100G and gets 3 precursors.
That’s RNG for you! I’ve had two precursors in two years. Both of them made my friends howl in annoyance due to how I acquired them:
Dusk: I smacked an Orr mob. No event, not a champion. Level 80 Risen. Dusk drop. Fun times! I immediately ran to the nearest safe-ish corner and proceeded to be stunned for a bit. It also happened January 2nd 2013, since I updated GW2Wiki at the time as random mobs weren’t a listed source!
Dawn: Got this the other day – I’ve never really been into the whole ‘mystic forge ALL the things!’ culture. But I decided ‘eh, I have a ton of t5 mats that I’d have more fun MFing than selling directly, plus I may get a precursor’. Note that I am going after Sunrise, so I thought I’d try crafting some greatswords for the mystic toilet. I made a grand total of 73 rare greatswords. I got a Dawn and 6 other exotics.
On the flipside, I’ve known people who have spend hundreds and hundreds of gold in the MF to no avail (it’s partly why I never really spend anything on the MF – I prefer the certainty of saving up – using t5 mats didn’t really feel like ‘spending’ to me haha).
I have played since beta, and Im lucky to see a rare item. I don’t believe it’s all luck though It seems im so unlucky that you could give me a 99% chance of getting something good, and I’d still get the 1%.
I tried the forge a few times and always got worse items then I put in. All my guilders have legendaries and I can’t even get my pre. I have to agree with op. It’s rigged.
Some Players are lucky, other players are lucky they get to play.
Hahahahahaha, oh my these forums never change. Prove something beyond any doubt, people still say its false.
So… where’s your proof?
My proof is 2 players including myself maze farming the prince rats(not even counting all other people that reported same thing). Transformed rats = 100% drop rate until DR kicks in. Farming for 3 hours straight. One person farmed on same thief the entire time. I had to stop anywhere between 10-20 mins and switch to another character. Otherwise Id get about 3-4 ToT bags from 20 mobs. Characters that I rarely log on to play, and those I use heavy. This proved there is a problem either with drop tables or DR that effects accounts differently. I can take a video next year but that Prince thing is gone till next year. Anet defense force never changes.
The only proof this gives is that you don’t fully understand how DR works and are making HUGE assumptions based on how you THINK it should work. Where has it ever been established that DR is reset by changing characters?
Also, if I were coding a DR feature that I would NEVER want professional farmers to figure out, some RNG factor in HOW it works differently from one log in to the next (or some other factor that YOU nor I know) would be EXACTLY how I would code it to KEEP it “unknown”).
Baffling issues in this thread:
1) The number of players seriously buying the OPs Guildie claims (images and video can be cleverly edited).
2) The actual number of otherwise seemingly intelligent players that seem to actually believe some accounts are luckier than others.
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RNG. Did you ask your friend exactly how many rates/exotics he threw in?
Also, all accounts are equal. One account is no luckier than another.
This is completely false. It was finally proven with Maze Balm farming rats. Mobs are guaranteed drop until DR kicks in. Guess what? Some people could farm for hours and get full drops all time, others including me couldnt go for more than 10 minutes before we got 0 drops. This 100% proved that not all accounts are equal.
You may get lucky, but you may also be unlucky.
I won 8 games solo que in pvp, a day later I was on a 15 or so losing streak.
All accounts are equal, you may just be playing during your lucky time, but sooner or later the other guy is going to catch up and even it out. Law of Large Numbers.
Luck has nothing to do with a 100% drop rate.
It actually does. This bug is account-unrelated. Meaning, while it is know to “attach” to different accounts for a time, what accounts will end up affected is random. As i said, if you have tried the same farm day after day after day, you’d have noticed that while DR bug does show up on some accounts, the accounts affected by it do change.
…also, some of it is dependant on what the character has been doing before the farm.
I would believe that if the RNG was pure random, but such is not the case with the RNG mechanism in GW2. Anet needs to look into their RNG algorithm because too often you find always the same accounts having luck with RNG over and over, while other outlier accounts never get anything.
Read up on gauss distribution. Outliers, both high (“lucky accounts”) and low (“unlucky accounts”) are a factor of RNG. With the number of people in the game, accounts that seem consistenly lucky and those that seem consistently unlucky are certain to exist. This doesn’t mean RNG works differently for them. Just as the fact that there was a man in Australia that managed to get hit by lightning 3 times (and survive) doesn’t mean that he was somehow special (or that someone up above didn’t like him).
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