Guild Wars 2

xarallei.4279:

I’d like more skimpy medium armor. There are so few choices for skimpy medium it’s not even funny.

Agreed. Plate too.

Vyrulisse.1246:

Why does it get annoying though? Why are people so against sexualization and revealing things? I’ll never understand that.

It annoys me because I just don’t like these skins and it’s difficult to find female skins that aren’t revealing. It seems the options are very limited.

I don’t see what there is to understand about that. It’s simple preference. You have yours. I have mine. The game should cater to both tastes.

Just for the record most mmorpgs are worse but im telling you right now I met more real women in mmorpgs like city of heroes who decked out there female characters in skimpy costumes then men, and ive met plenty of women who do it in this game as well, it isnt just men, and it shouldnt matter who is doing it, its their choice, if there is not enough covered choices for human females then yea I agree it should be more of a choice.

However ive seen plenty of not over revealing outfits that remain classy but still kind of sexy at the same time, are we having trouble finding these? Or are you saying you have to be completely covered? I admit I dont really play female characters but even light armors for males can be revealing to an extent, heavy armors are usually not half as revealing.

Are you sure it isnt just the class of armor choice in general?

still waiting for the chainmail bikini

AliamRationem.5172:

Vyrulisse.1246:

Why does it get annoying though? Why are people so against sexualization and revealing things? I’ll never understand that.

It annoys me because I just don’t like these skins and it’s difficult to find female skins that aren’t revealing. It seems the options are very limited.

I don’t see what there is to understand about that. It’s simple preference. You have yours. I have mine. The game should cater to both tastes.

I agree with you there.
Ofc, many people like the skimpy armors but there are also many who dont want their female character to look like that and these people have very limited options when it comes to armor choice.

It would just be fair to have an equal amount of revealing and not so revealing armor. Simply for the people who are growing tired of it.

In GW 1 there was a bigger variety and it was good that way.

Its not about taking the revealing armors away from you. Its about giving more alternatives to it.

This annoys me because it seems to be a repeat of the Phlanx armor debacle. For those who don’t remember, this is what Phalanx looks like:

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Phalanx_armor_human_male_front.jpg

Wow, that’s cool! I’ll just go and buy it for my female Warrior…

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Phalanx_armor_human_female_front.jpg

…wait, where’s the cool helmet? The sleek breastplate? The practical, yet slightly intimidating pants? Why’s the female version made from a different material?

The issue isn’t as noticeable in the Envoy armor designs, but they still look off. The medium male design has a nicely detailed shirt, while the female one is just a bikini. It looks dumb, not sexy.

Mido.4920:

AliamRationem.5172:

Vyrulisse.1246:

Why does it get annoying though? Why are people so against sexualization and revealing things? I’ll never understand that.

It annoys me because I just don’t like these skins and it’s difficult to find female skins that aren’t revealing. It seems the options are very limited.

I don’t see what there is to understand about that. It’s simple preference. You have yours. I have mine. The game should cater to both tastes.

I agree with you there.
Ofc, many people like the skimpy armors but there are also many who dont want their female character to look like that and these people have very limited options when it comes to armor choice.

It would just be fair to have an equal amount of revealing and not so revealing armor. Simply for the people who are growing tired of it.

In GW 1 there was a bigger variety and it was good that way.

Its not about taking the revealing armors away from you. Its about giving more alternatives to it.

You aren’t truly asking for an equal amount of revealing and non-revealing armor, because if you haven’t noticed, there are more concealing armors than revealing armors in this game. Only female light armor has some form of balance between concealing and revealing. You probably think that there is a lot of revealing armor, because there are many people who like to use those sets and you see them all the time.

Have a look here:
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Human_female_heavy_armor
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Human_female_medium_armor
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Human_female_light_armor

I do agree that males need more variety in their armor, especially when it comes to light armor. I also think that light armor needs some pants. However, I can’t believe that there are people who honestly think that the majority of armors are skimpy.

dekou.6012:

This annoys me because it seems to be a repeat of the Phlanx armor debacle. For those who don’t remember, this is what Phalanx looks like:

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Phalanx_armor_human_male_front.jpg

Wow, that’s cool! I’ll just go and buy it for my female Warrior…

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Phalanx_armor_human_female_front.jpg

…wait, where’s the cool helmet? The sleek breastplate? The practical, yet slightly intimidating pants? Why’s the female version made from a different material?

The issue isn’t as noticeable in the Envoy armor designs, but they still look off. The medium male design has a nicely detailed shirt, while the female one is just a bikini. It looks dumb, not sexy.

This is an issue with taste really. Male and female armors cannot be identical. Just look at phoenix armor. Most people agree that the male version is horrible, while the female version is great. In fact, female armors are generally better looking and more detailed. Just because one armor set ended up looking inferior for females, it’s not the end of the world.

Besides, the experimental envoy armor generally looks horrible, no matter the gender or the armor weight. What really ticks me off is that Anet spent dev time designing armor that was intentionally made to look bad, while armors are supposedly the most difficult skins to develop. It would have been much better if the experimental precursors were so badly made that they are unwearable. Then we would have 1 extra armor set, that actually looks decent, somewhere else in the game. I think that this tier of precursor armor was a waste of resources really.

I’m fine with more or less. I’m completely impartial to this debate and always will be.

To those bringing sexism and real life matters in to this debate I just want to say: This is a fantasy video game where people shoot lighting from their finger tips, giant 10 foot tall cats are driving war machines, dragons are walking, talking and casting magic and gods once walked the earth. There is nothing realistic about it and you should view the game as it is, a fantasy game. I don’t look at it as though “this is how men/women should/shouldn’t dress IRL” I look at it as “that’s a nice/isn’t nice outfit.” Because I know what a realistic standard is and what a fantasy standard is.

I’m never going to wrap my head around the folks who are concerned with what people are wearing in games that are completely unrealistic with every other aspect of that in-game world. It’s like complaining that we’re allowed to fall from so high up without dying because -50% fall damage reduction and claiming it’s dangerous to put such an image in video games. Let the lemmings filter themselves out. Sad that humanity can’t just enjoy themselves once in a while by allowing their imaginations to run wild. Instead something’s always gotta be sexist or morally wrong even though it’s freaking fantasy and it’s supposed to be there for entertainment value.

I’m sure ANet doesn’t design these outfits thinking “oh all our male players will love this and will think that this is how women should look IRL.”

Disclaimer: I am a 31 year old straight, married woman.

Personally I think what this game (and all games) need is a wide variety of options.

IMO GW2 is already doing pretty well at this. Firstly because of the wardrobe system which means all skins for your armour type are available to use. In a lot of games the problem is that your perfect look is only available on low level armour or only with 1 stat combination so once you get beyond that you either have to cripple your stats by continuing to wear it or accept whatever skin the developers have decided you should be using.

But secondly because overall there is a wide variety of skins from barely there to full coverage with a variety of styles.

The problem is that once you start to narrow it down to what any one character can wear a lot of those options aren’t available to you. For example male light armour wearers will struggle to have any more than their hands and face uncovered, and that’s only because you can hide those pieces.

Meanwhile I think female light armour characters have a good range from full coverage (for an extreme option there’s the Devout robes) to literally a bra and mini skirt (which is what my sylvari ele wears).

But both have a lack of simple trousers. I would point out that most of the ‘skirts’ actually combine with most of the top pieces to become the bottom of a long tunic, so it’s more like ye olde version of the overly long t-shirt I’m wearing in real life which overlaps my jeans. But I’ve also run into the problem of wanting a shorter top and plain trousers and having no viable option.

But I have to say as a woman one problem I’ve never felt like I had was being forced to put my female characters in revealing clothing. The starter set for light armour wearers is pretty bad but you get replacements very quickly and after that it’s entirely the players choice how revealing their characters clothing is.

Which I appreciate because my characters have very different opinions on this. My sylvari ele doesn’t really ‘get’ clothes. She wears a few extra leaves but that’s it. Meanwhile I swear my ranger was glaring at me when I tried previewing the krytan top and Viper’s mini skirt on her.

Ganathar.4956:

dekou.6012:

This annoys me because it seems to be a repeat of the Phlanx armor debacle. For those who don’t remember, this is what Phalanx looks like:

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Phalanx_armor_human_male_front.jpg

Wow, that’s cool! I’ll just go and buy it for my female Warrior…

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Phalanx_armor_human_female_front.jpg

…wait, where’s the cool helmet? The sleek breastplate? The practical, yet slightly intimidating pants? Why’s the female version made from a different material?

The issue isn’t as noticeable in the Envoy armor designs, but they still look off. The medium male design has a nicely detailed shirt, while the female one is just a bikini. It looks dumb, not sexy.

This is an issue with taste really. Male and female armors cannot be identical. Just look at phoenix armor. Most people agree that the male version is horrible, while the female version is great. In fact, female armors are generally better looking and more detailed. Just because one armor set ended up looking inferior for females, it’s not the end of the world.

Sure, in some cases they can’t. Kasmeer’s armor would look weird on males. However, nothing in the female physique is in conflict with the male version of Phlanx. The male model could easily be applied to females after some adjustments to make it fit their slightly different shape, like a wider hip, thinner waist and maybe some boob plates if they’re really necessary. Instead, ANet made a completely separate female design for no reason at all.

And yes, it’s not the end of the world and I don’t see anyone claiming it is. However, sometimes designers and/or marketing screw up and it’s good if someone points that out to them. I thought they learned their lesson after the community backlash from Phlanx, but apparently they didn’t.

dekou.6012:

This annoys me because it seems to be a repeat of the Phlanx armor debacle. For those who don’t remember, this is what Phalanx looks like:

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Phalanx_armor_human_male_front.jpg

Wow, that’s cool! I’ll just go and buy it for my female Warrior…

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Phalanx_armor_human_female_front.jpg

…wait, where’s the cool helmet? The sleek breastplate? The practical, yet slightly intimidating pants? Why’s the female version made from a different material?

The issue isn’t as noticeable in the Envoy armor designs, but they still look off. The medium male design has a nicely detailed shirt, while the female one is just a bikini. It looks dumb, not sexy.

Phalanx pants are my favorite heavy pants for female humans.

dekou.6012:

And yes, it’s not the end of the world and I don’t see anyone claiming it is. However, sometimes designers and/or marketing screw up and it’s good if someone points that out to them. I thought they learned their lesson after the community backlash from Phlanx, but apparently they didn’t.

Probably because people bought it regardless of what some vocal minority rabble-rousers were saying?

Talk is cheap and moral outrage is rarely backed up with money or participation.

Substance E.4852:

Talk is cheap and moral outrage is rarely backed up with money or participation.

What can you expect from outrage flowing fort purely about feeling good about yourself and virtue signalling to your peers.

dekou.6012:

Ganathar.4956:

dekou.6012:

This annoys me because it seems to be a repeat of the Phlanx armor debacle. For those who don’t remember, this is what Phalanx looks like:

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Phalanx_armor_human_male_front.jpg

Wow, that’s cool! I’ll just go and buy it for my female Warrior…

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Phalanx_armor_human_female_front.jpg

…wait, where’s the cool helmet? The sleek breastplate? The practical, yet slightly intimidating pants? Why’s the female version made from a different material?

The issue isn’t as noticeable in the Envoy armor designs, but they still look off. The medium male design has a nicely detailed shirt, while the female one is just a bikini. It looks dumb, not sexy.

This is an issue with taste really. Male and female armors cannot be identical. Just look at phoenix armor. Most people agree that the male version is horrible, while the female version is great. In fact, female armors are generally better looking and more detailed. Just because one armor set ended up looking inferior for females, it’s not the end of the world.

Sure, in some cases they can’t. Kasmeer’s armor would look weird on males. However, nothing in the female physique is in conflict with the male version of Phlanx. The male model could easily be applied to females after some adjustments to make it fit their slightly different shape, like a wider hip, thinner waist and maybe some boob plates if they’re really necessary. Instead, ANet made a completely separate female design for no reason at all.

And yes, it’s not the end of the world and I don’t see anyone claiming it is. However, sometimes designers and/or marketing screw up and it’s good if someone points that out to them. I thought they learned their lesson after the community backlash from Phlanx, but apparently they didn’t.

Dark Souls has always had a good strategy when designing their genders. A female can wear lipstick and a dress? Identical dress and lipstick can be used on a male. No discrimination what so ever. There are literally dresses you can put on males.

The only issue I ever had is that their female characters have mosquito bite boobs. Now, I’m a woman myself but it totally bothers me how tiny those boobs are. You need at least a little more than that when wearing certain clothes for the proper amount of shape and appeal. Otherwise it looks too… Juvenile? I’m not sure how to explain it, it just always bothered me. Like I don’t think I’d wear a really high class dress if I had really tiny boobs. It’d be like a really thin guy wearing a tiny, thin muscle shirt, the ones designed for body builders. It looks awkward. Some apparel actually needs that gender definition.

“We’ve always intended to create outfits for male and female characters that are appealing and attractive without making our players feel uncomfortable about what their character or other player-characters are wearing.”
~ lead character artist Aaron Coberly
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-02-10-guild-wars-2-armour-sexy-by-design

Massive uncomfortable feels here:

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Winged_armor_human_female_front.jpg
vs
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Winged_armor_human_male_front.jpg

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Exalted_armor_human_female_front.jpg
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Exalted_armor_human_female_back.jpg
vs
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Exalted_armor_human_male_front.jpg
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Exalted_armor_human_male_back.jpg

And my personal favorites:

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/0/06/Seer_armor_human_female_front.jpg
vs
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/6/61/Seer_armor_human_male_front.jpg

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/d/db/Witch%27s_Outfit.jpg

“Studio has regularly conversations about differences between male and female armors. Things like skimpy male armors are being discussed.”
~ source: http://dulfy.net/2016/03/05/gw2-reddit-developer-ama-summary/

Yay, a step in the right direction:

http://dulfy.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/gw2-mistward-revenant-heavy-armor-male.jpg

but then Envoy Armor:

http://dulfy.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/gw2-envoy-armor-light-female.jpg
http://dulfy.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/gw2-envoy-armor-light-male.jpg

So, no. No more accepting this. Give us female players what you give male players. No discussion is needed for what should be a given: gender equality.

Not asking to stop making skimpy armor for female characters, but add elegant and kitten light armor with pants so that I can run around in more than underwear and a glorified bra. Add kitten light armor for male characters that doesn’t cover them from neck to toe like a prude.

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/35802-armor-style-what-do-you-expect-or-want-image-heavy-thread/page__st__4230#entry563161

The post following the one I linked here had this reaction:

“BTW: Could the guy on right have been more gay (gayer?)? lol”

Exactly the kind of reaction that will never go away until gender equality becomes the norm. Progress has to be pioneered so stop being stagnant and change for the better.

And it is overdue, just look at some of the threads on the issue:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1przjt/why_the_lack_of_skimpy_male_armour/
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Sexy-male-armor/
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Sexier-armor-for-males
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Monotonous-male-armor
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Lack-of-skimpy-male-clothing
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Opinion-equality-needed-more-revealing-male-light-armor

This is how it’s done:

http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/09/14/final-fantasy-xivs-gear-design-is-a-shining-example-of-gender-equality-in-games/

There is plenty of tasteful sensual male armor out there. Some examples:

http://maxheartflan.tumblr.com/post/36765810052
http://maxheartflan.tumblr.com/post/31794522942
http://maxheartflan.tumblr.com/post/94417999320

from Guild Wars 1…
https://wiki.guildwars.com/images/2/22/Ritualist_Seitung_armor_m.jpg
https://wiki.guildwars.com/images/1/1b/Ritualist_Vabbian_armor_m.jpg
https://wiki.guildwars.com/images/c/c7/Ritualist_Asuran_armor_m.jpg
https://wiki.guildwars.com/images/4/44/Paragon_Sunspear_armor_m.jpg
https://wiki.guildwars.com/images/a/a4/Paragon_Primeval_armor_m.jpg
https://wiki.guildwars.com/images/b/bd/Paragon_Elite_Sunspear_armor_m.jpg
https://wiki.guildwars.com/images/3/37/Paragon_Deldrimor_armor_m.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/roxSC2r.jpg
~source: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/172455/improving-on-eso-s04e05-festivals-calender-skimpy-armor-traps-puzzles-and-racial-walking

http://elektrik-eel.tumblr.com/post/72075027520/oh-my-god-i-nearly-forgot-about-
xadrian-wow-good
http://elektrik-eel.tumblr.com/post/50771414759/for-those-of-you-who-think-kittenty-male-armor

Substance E.4852:

Behellagh.1468:

And enough with the butt capes.

Wait till you get a load of the Medium Envoy armor.

Buttcape for miles.

Oh I’ve seen the bug butts.

I’m hurting myself laughing here, at the people who are saying that it’s hard to find non-revealing armours.

Literally, using the argosoft gallery, it’s 55 full sets of light female armour. Of those, 16 are what a complete prude would call “skimpy”. Honestly, there’s only 9 that wouldn’t cut it in the RC church I grew up attending.

That leaves 39-45 covered sets for you (depending on your level of prudery.)

Those who are complaining about the disparity inside the same set have a case, those who are whining about there only being skimpy sets, well, they’re full of that which makes the grass grow green.

UncrushablePigeon.8760:

“We’ve always intended to create outfits for male and female characters that are appealing and attractive without making our players feel uncomfortable about what their character or other player-characters are wearing.”
~ lead character artist Aaron Coberly
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-02-10-guild-wars-2-armour-sexy-by-design

Massive uncomfortable feels here:

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Winged_armor_human_female_front.jpg
vs
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Winged_armor_human_male_front.jpg

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Exalted_armor_human_female_front.jpg
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Exalted_armor_human_female_back.jpg
vs
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Exalted_armor_human_male_front.jpg
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Exalted_armor_human_male_back.jpg

And my personal favorites:

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/0/06/Seer_armor_human_female_front.jpg
vs
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/6/61/Seer_armor_human_male_front.jpg

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/d/db/Witch%27s_Outfit.jpg

“Studio has regularly conversations about differences between male and female armors. Things like skimpy male armors are being discussed.”
~ source: http://dulfy.net/2016/03/05/gw2-reddit-developer-ama-summary/

Yay, a step in the right direction:

http://dulfy.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/gw2-mistward-revenant-heavy-armor-male.jpg

but then Envoy Armor:

http://dulfy.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/gw2-envoy-armor-light-female.jpg
http://dulfy.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/gw2-envoy-armor-light-male.jpg

So, no. No more accepting this. Give us female players what you give male players. No discussion is needed for what should be a given: gender equality.

Not asking to stop making skimpy armor for female characters, but add elegant and kitten light armor with pants so that I can run around in more than underwear and a glorified bra. Add kitten light armor for male characters that doesn’t cover them from neck to toe like a prude.

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/35802-armor-style-what-do-you-expect-or-want-image-heavy-thread/page__st__4230#entry563161

The post following the one I linked here had this reaction:

“BTW: Could the guy on right have been more gay (gayer?)? lol”

Exactly the kind of reaction that will never go away until gender equality becomes the norm. Progress has to be pioneered so stop being stagnant and change for the better.

And it is overdue, just look at some of the threads on the issue:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1przjt/why_the_lack_of_skimpy_male_armour/
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Sexy-male-armor/
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Sexier-armor-for-males
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Monotonous-male-armor
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Lack-of-skimpy-male-clothing
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Opinion-equality-needed-more-revealing-male-light-armor

This is how it’s done:

http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/09/14/final-fantasy-xivs-gear-design-is-a-shining-example-of-gender-equality-in-games/

There is plenty of tasteful sensual male armor out there. Some examples:

http://maxheartflan.tumblr.com/post/36765810052
http://maxheartflan.tumblr.com/post/31794522942
http://maxheartflan.tumblr.com/post/94417999320

from Guild Wars 1…
https://wiki.guildwars.com/images/2/22/Ritualist_Seitung_armor_m.jpg
https://wiki.guildwars.com/images/1/1b/Ritualist_Vabbian_armor_m.jpg
https://wiki.guildwars.com/images/c/c7/Ritualist_Asuran_armor_m.jpg
https://wiki.guildwars.com/images/4/44/Paragon_Sunspear_armor_m.jpg
https://wiki.guildwars.com/images/a/a4/Paragon_Primeval_armor_m.jpg
https://wiki.guildwars.com/images/b/bd/Paragon_Elite_Sunspear_armor_m.jpg
https://wiki.guildwars.com/images/3/37/Paragon_Deldrimor_armor_m.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/roxSC2r.jpg
~source: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/172455/improving-on-eso-s04e05-festivals-calender-skimpy-armor-traps-puzzles-and-racial-walking

http://elektrik-eel.tumblr.com/post/72075027520/oh-my-god-i-nearly-forgot-about-
xadrian-wow-good
http://elektrik-eel.tumblr.com/post/50771414759/for-those-of-you-who-think-kittenty-male-armor

straight to the point! thanks for the awesome comment!

I figured the HoT expansion, you know because it takes place in an actual jungle, would have introduced a lot of “skimpier” armor sets for both genders. Drytop and Silverwastes should have introduced a lot of more robe-y and flowing armors imo. Didn’t we get an armor set made from bug parts? Or maybe that was a weapon set… Still, ewww.

I really like skimpy armors for female characters, that being said, making more less skimpy options available wouldn’t hurt anyone. People should be able to choose.

this game needs WAY MORE sexy armours! i want my war to look like Red Sonja

People don’t seem to understand the concept of a middle ground lol

It’s always all or nothing for a lot of you.

Whenever this topic comes up, it looks like people feel attacked for preferring skimpy or realistic armor, so they just devolve into defensive “but I like it so DON’T CHANGE IT I SWEAR TO GAWD” bs. Always on the defensive.

It’s like you think that if they start adding more non revealing female/more revealing male armor that they’re gonna go and change all existing armor. Nobody is gonna secretly nerf your human female meta if they ad more equal armor sets christ’s sake…

I don’t play sex doll anymore, errr I mean female human meta. It’s getting boring and frankly, asura is the true master race. Now Anet, just remove the ridiculous bra on their precursor chest and we’ll be good.

Vyrulisse.1246:

Why does it get annoying though? Why are people so against sexualization and revealing things? I’ll never understand that.

I’m not against it~ :P
I just want equal treatment. #equalitynow

From a less silly perspective, we could stand to have plenty of revealing armors for all weights, and for a legitimately aesthetic reason. Particularly for Norn and Charr, who are decorated with tattoos and fur patterns that players will often spend quite a while making sure come out just right. …just to have that effort nullified by clunky armor and buttcapes.

So yeah, let our guys and gals show some skin (and fur)!

CharrGirl.7896:

People don’t seem to understand the concept of a middle ground lol

It’s always all or nothing for a lot of you.

Whenever this topic comes up, it looks like people feel attacked for preferring skimpy or realistic armor, so they just devolve into defensive “but I like it so DON’T CHANGE IT I SWEAR TO GAWD” bs. Always on the defensive.

It’s like you think that if they start adding more non revealing female/more revealing male armor that they’re gonna go and change all existing armor. Nobody is gonna secretly nerf your human female meta if they ad more equal armor sets christ’s sake…

People do this with nearly everything, moderation is the key to a happy life aka middle ground, people just need to get into the mindset of a middle ground. Anyways its already been proven that there isn’t an unequal amount of choices so it doesn’t matter now.

Vyrulisse.1246:

Why does it get annoying though? Why are people so against sexualization and revealing things? I’ll never understand that.

bcs it reminds them how bad there sexlife irl is

they think dam this girl looks hot lets get a Burka for her

YES THIS! Nothing makes me go “Really? Come on!” than seeing an armor that is revealing on women but covers a man completely from the neck down. Is there some cultural reason, especially for the humans, that causes the men to dress so conservatively? From what I’ve seen, most male armors even have something to hide an already well-covered rear.

Male bodies are beautiful, give them armors as revealing as the female armor counterparts, or, really, a lore reason that men are such conservative dressers. It is noticeable.

I will admit to wanting to see more Norn Beefcake running around. >.>

I think armor variety is the key. Why should all light armor be skimpy for females and dresses for males. Medium armor consists of trench coats for both classes, and warriors are bulky/huge armors for males and skimpy version of the heavy male armors for females.

Couldn’t we just have a variety of armors for ALL classes and genders? Pants, skirts, shirts, boots, shoes, bulky, skimpy, long, short, spiky, smooth, etc. in all classes. Since we all mix and match, having a variety of styles for each class and gender would make for a lot of diversity across all players’ toons.

im totally in for getting more hot female character skins for me to admire in this game

those who are against hot female character outfits can feel free to take the first plane ticket to any middle eastern country

I think it’s silly to make two entirely different looks depending on what the gender of the player character is. You wanna include a fairy stripper outfit? You wanna include an Ironman suit? A wearable bag? A pair of sandals and some dental floss? Well ok. But keep it the same for everyone. Don’t add boobplate to armour that doesn’t have it for men. Let’s have some equal distribution of butterfly wings.

Divide things up after styles so that whether you get the Muscledragon Armour or Daintyfeather Dress is up to your tastes rather than the gender of your character.

To be clear, my personal wish is for more light armor in the style of medium armor. And more medium armor in the style of light armor.

Almost all of the female light armor in GW2 is a top and skirt combo that often only look good with the same set pieces (talking solely about the chest and pants slots here). Or the bikini style top (which I’m fine with I have, and really like, the Profane armor on my necro).

In a similar vein, almost all of the female medium armor is a trenchcoat and pants which can often be swapped around to get the look you want with some ease. (Assuming the look you want is a trenchcoat.)

What I want is some trenchcoat and pants style light armor, and some bikini and skirt style medium armor.

(Oh and to put this in perspective I’m a male that has worn the exact same outfit for the past 5 years: work pants, henley, leather vest, leather top hat.)

Blackworm.2167:

This topic has been done to death.
The horse has been beaten to a bloody pulp. Enough already.

While I agree that there are some topics that are beating a dead horse and need to stop (mounts come to mind), this is one of those that if not kept in the forefront, will be forgotten. This is an easily rectifiable change that can be implemented going forward if devs are reminded of it on occasion.

xarallei.4279:

I’d like more skimpy medium armor. There are so few choices for skimpy medium it’s not even funny.

Medium armor in general needs to be given more variety. It’s the one armor type that I get really bored of, and hate how it looks on Sylvari more than any other race. It’s frustrating. Light and heavy have more variety, IMO, and more aesthetically pleasing.

jheryn.8390:

Blackworm.2167:

This topic has been done to death.
The horse has been beaten to a bloody pulp. Enough already.

While I agree that there are some topics that are beating a dead horse and need to stop (mounts come to mind), this is one of those that if not kept in the forefront, will be forgotten. This is an easily rectifiable change that can be implemented going forward if devs are reminded of it on occasion.

Yeah, all they need to do is implement some more variation for the male armour going forward.

Vyrulisse.1246:

Shiyo.3578:

I like it how it is and want more revealing female armors.

Likewise. I like my characters to look sexy in games. Personally I’m tired of being chastised for that preference.

I don’t think anyone is chastising you, at least in this thread anyways. What most people are asking is for males to have some revealing armor as well. A medium armor with a bare-chested open vest, for example. Or how about some more barbaric-looking heavy armor showing them muscles? We don’t even have any sandals on any light or medium armor. The list goes on…

It is a little tiresome that females get armor that shows some skin while the male variant is almost always completely covered head-to-toe.

Seabreeze.8437:

Vyrulisse.1246:

Shiyo.3578:

I like it how it is and want more revealing female armors.

Likewise. I like my characters to look sexy in games. Personally I’m tired of being chastised for that preference.

I don’t think anyone is chastising you, at least in this thread anyways. What most people are asking is for males to have some revealing armor as well. A medium armor with a bare-chested open vest, for example. Or how about some more barbaric-looking heavy armor showing them muscles? We don’t even have any sandals on any light or medium armor. The list goes on…

It is a little tiresome that females get armor that shows some skin while the male variant is almost always completely covered head-to-toe.

I agree with you. I was more speaking in general terms. I’ve had many a heated argument with strangers and friends alike about my preferences is all so I’m always defensive when topics like this come up.

Like I said earlier, I am very for seeing more beefcake running around. On a more serious note though, Males should be allowed to show off as well. Especially Norn Males who get choices of awesome tattoos that can cover from head to toe but the armor always obscures it. Like what’s the point if you can’t show it off?

Chasind.3128:

There should definitely be more of revealing armor for male characters, I’m a girl & I like showing some skin on my ladies because I know it’s just a game & I can just wear something that’s less revealing, there are several options. Do I think there should be more practical armor? YES.

Exactly. +1 for more revealing male armors. These hard abs need to be seen!

Razor.9872:

Chasind.3128:

There should definitely be more of revealing armor for male characters, I’m a girl & I like showing some skin on my ladies because I know it’s just a game & I can just wear something that’s less revealing, there are several options. Do I think there should be more practical armor? YES.

Exactly. +1 for more revealing male armors. These hard abs need to be seen!

What about that glorious fur? Or those awesome tattoos? We need less skirts for males, and generally more revealing armour for male (both medium and light).

LadyRhonwyn.2501:

Razor.9872:

Chasind.3128:

There should definitely be more of revealing armor for male characters, I’m a girl & I like showing some skin on my ladies because I know it’s just a game & I can just wear something that’s less revealing, there are several options. Do I think there should be more practical armor? YES.

Exactly. +1 for more revealing male armors. These hard abs need to be seen!

What about that glorious fur? Or those awesome tattoos? We need less skirts for males, and generally more revealing armour for male (both medium and light).

It’s a pretty simple reason why. The vast majority of people playing this game are males including the people playing female avatars.

Drussthelegend.2630:

It’s a pretty simple reason why. The vast majority of people playing this game are males including the people playing female avatars.

I’m a male, and I totally support more skimpy armors for male characters.

Razor.9872:

Drussthelegend.2630:

It’s a pretty simple reason why. The vast majority of people playing this game are males including the people playing female avatars.

I’m a male, and I totally support more skimpy armors for male characters.

Same. Can’t +1 this enough.

Seabreeze.8437:

Razor.9872:

Drussthelegend.2630:

It’s a pretty simple reason why. The vast majority of people playing this game are males including the people playing female avatars.

I’m a male, and I totally support more skimpy armors for male characters.

Same. Can’t +1 this enough.

Me too. I want cheekless chaps on my charr.

I refer to light armour in the main. I believe medium armour should also be addressed, like three years ago. So:

Give me the sexy man armour, Anet. I will give you my money - what little I have of it. :P Of course, I’d love for it to be a nice craftable set, just like a lot of the general level-up stuff is. Not everything has to be all singing and dancing whistles and bells in the Gem Store. Still. If it’s the only way, I will cough up cash for seeing something like my Age of Conan Sneakytim, who I’m attaching for reference once more. He was great to look at. Just horrible to play.

For my guys, I don’t want the waist always covered up, and half a man chest does not look sexy, it just looks like half a man chest. Also, go below the abdomen! Do it! Is nice.

Also, man arms. Men have them and I like them. I want to see them on my man toons (and admittedly do, cos Leystone armour and Vigil armour. I just want MORE, kitten it!). I don’t want a chest window (ever), but the arms should be out more. You do nice man arms, Anet. Put them out more. Is true story.

Please note, man knees (and I’ll argue knees in general) can conversely be abhorrent. Well, only sometimes. Maybe. This is is purely subjective of course, but I’m on a roll and I don’t care. Full length trousers with no kitten capes or skirt-style jacket attachments are absolutely necessary. It can’t be AC trousers all the time (or the level 10-20ish crafted stuff). Show all the leg or none.

I suppose I will accept the sight of man knees for the greater good. The greater good being we cannot have cut-offs in the wrong part of the leg, because that is aesthetic armageddon. Since there are differing leg shapes, one size is definitely not fits all, and full length trousers or no length trousers and exposed knees (Faren’s Swimwear Collection) is best. That said, I suppose I’ll allow some kind of Norn-esque man knee-length shorts. Because somebody somewhere wants that, and I care about catering to all. Yes.

There is probably more to write, but I’ve written it over before, and it never changes. It’s worse if you try to dress super-skinny twig chaps, too. Everything looks all ballgown voluminous!

Anyhoo, treat your lovely men toons better in the wardrobe department, please, Anet. I would like to throw cash at you for it.

Thank you!

<3 <3

I agree with the OP that there should be more parity between the sexes with the various armor sets. I also agree that there should be more variation in general. I’d like pants in light armor and tops WITHOUT SKIRTS. And I don’t understand why nearly all the Medium armor has skirts. To have some with skirts is fine, but I’d like at least as many without.

I would love to see more armor w/o the mudflaps front/back. Tired of running around with a veritable tent on my toons from the waist down.

Mustbeghosts.7043:

YES THIS! Nothing makes me go “Really? Come on!” than seeing an armor that is revealing on women but covers a man completely from the neck down. Is there some cultural reason, especially for the humans, that causes the men to dress so conservatively? From what I’ve seen, most male armors even have something to hide an already well-covered rear.

Male bodies are beautiful, give them armors as revealing as the female armor counterparts, or, really, a lore reason that men are such conservative dressers. It is noticeable.

Uh no do not make them as revealing, women naturally have more to show, especially in traditional fantasy where men dont shave legs. Now if you mean men should have the option to share bare chest they already do have some of those options.

Ryou.2398:

Mustbeghosts.7043:

YES THIS! Nothing makes me go “Really? Come on!” than seeing an armor that is revealing on women but covers a man completely from the neck down. Is there some cultural reason, especially for the humans, that causes the men to dress so conservatively? From what I’ve seen, most male armors even have something to hide an already well-covered rear.

Male bodies are beautiful, give them armors as revealing as the female armor counterparts, or, really, a lore reason that men are such conservative dressers. It is noticeable.

Uh no do not make them as revealing, women naturally have more to show, especially in traditional fantasy where men dont shave legs. Now if you mean men should have the option to share bare chest they already do have some of those options.

just the opposite – DO make them as revealing. no one says people HAVE TO use those on their toons. and 3/5 playable races are totally not in need to shave anything anywhere be it male or female. (not talking about how i don’t understand what’s wrong with unshaved male legs.)

One thing we’ve been told is that it takes a long time to make a set of armor. Maybe it’s just me, but if the male and female versions were substantially alike, we might see more sets. Yes, I know there are issues with identical, but making a male or female version and then adapting it to the opposite sex with minor changes seems like it would take less time/effort than having the male and female versions be so completely different, with only minor stylistic nods.