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Posted by: ICEing.9237

ICEing.9237

This is short and sweet. It’s a cycle that I’ve seen happen over and over again.

Anet will release or change something. Like Megaserver for example. People immediately start complaining on the forums, the pages are filled with topics: “I’m quitting!” “Let’s make Anet hear us!”

Anet will not change anything. They are in the buisness to make money. Just like the era of Megaserver, they will ignore EVERYTHING you guys say until things die down. They know eventually you will accept it and buy the expac anyway. Just like it took about a month to accept the Megaserver, and now nobody complains and have grown to accept it, it will be the same here.

And the folks at Anet are probably laughing at the threats to not buy the expansion when they know well, when it releases and people realize the price will be the same, they will purchase it anyway. All while copy pasting reassuring messages your complaints are being heard.

That’s how it is.

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Posted by: FirebrandFrog.7603

FirebrandFrog.7603

Except the Megaservers aren’t ridiculously priced and bite older players who don’t want to buy the core game twice in the butt.

Try again.

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Posted by: serenke.4806

serenke.4806

You’re not buying the core game twice.

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Posted by: Unloveableone.6082

Unloveableone.6082

Except the Megaservers aren’t ridiculously priced and bite older players who don’t want to buy the core game twice in the butt.

Try again.

You are literally not even kittening buying it.
It just comes as a bonus for people that don’t have it.
AGAIN.
YOU
ARE
NOT
BUYING
IT

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Posted by: FirebrandFrog.7603

FirebrandFrog.7603

Except the Megaservers aren’t ridiculously priced and bite older players who don’t want to buy the core game twice in the butt.

Try again.

You are literally not even kittening buying it.
It just comes as a bonus for people that don’t have it.
AGAIN.
YOU
ARE
NOT
BUYING
IT

kitten

Nice, making base assumptions without any rhyme or reason to it! 10 points to Gryffindor!

I will buy it. When the price matches the contents it provides, and when it isn’t intrinsically tied to the core game as a bundle without also offering options for players who already own the core game (aka everyone who posts in these forums).

$50 is too much for what we’ve seen, and ANet likes to overhype stuff that either isn’t satisfactory or isn’t what it seems.

Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice…

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MAGpie.7962

The QQ is making me grin… Loving it.

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Posted by: Randall.7306

Randall.7306

This assumes that, for example, I complained to Megaserver while it was reverse, megaserver was a change I welcomed, and the difference between how GW1 acted to veteran players when releasing expansions and how they act now is not a change I welcome.

Different people react differently to different things.

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Posted by: Unloveableone.6082

Unloveableone.6082

Except the Megaservers aren’t ridiculously priced and bite older players who don’t want to buy the core game twice in the butt.

Try again.

You are literally not even kittening buying it.
It just comes as a bonus for people that don’t have it.
AGAIN.
YOU
ARE
NOT
BUYING
IT

kitten

Nice, making base assumptions without any rhyme or reason to it! 10 points to Gryffindor!

I will buy it. When the price matches the contents it provides, and when it isn’t intrinsically tied to the core game as a bundle without also offering options for players who already own the core game (aka everyone who posts in these forums).

$50 is too much for what we’ve seen, and ANet likes to overhype stuff that either isn’t satisfactory or isn’t what it seems.

Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice…

Yeah sure. See you on launch day.

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Posted by: FirebrandFrog.7603

FirebrandFrog.7603

Except the Megaservers aren’t ridiculously priced and bite older players who don’t want to buy the core game twice in the butt.

Try again.

You are literally not even kittening buying it.
It just comes as a bonus for people that don’t have it.
AGAIN.
YOU
ARE
NOT
BUYING
IT

kitten

Nice, making base assumptions without any rhyme or reason to it! 10 points to Gryffindor!

I will buy it. When the price matches the contents it provides, and when it isn’t intrinsically tied to the core game as a bundle without also offering options for players who already own the core game (aka everyone who posts in these forums).

$50 is too much for what we’ve seen, and ANet likes to overhype stuff that either isn’t satisfactory or isn’t what it seems.

Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice…

Yeah sure. See you on launch day.

>buying games on launch
>in a day and age where devs actively try to nickel and dime their customers for every penny

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Posted by: Unloveableone.6082

Unloveableone.6082

Except the Megaservers aren’t ridiculously priced and bite older players who don’t want to buy the core game twice in the butt.

Try again.

You are literally not even kittening buying it.
It just comes as a bonus for people that don’t have it.
AGAIN.
YOU
ARE
NOT
BUYING
IT

kitten

Nice, making base assumptions without any rhyme or reason to it! 10 points to Gryffindor!

I will buy it. When the price matches the contents it provides, and when it isn’t intrinsically tied to the core game as a bundle without also offering options for players who already own the core game (aka everyone who posts in these forums).

$50 is too much for what we’ve seen, and ANet likes to overhype stuff that either isn’t satisfactory or isn’t what it seems.

Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice…

Yeah sure. See you on launch day.

>buying games on launch
>in a day and age where devs actively try to nickel and dime their customers for every penny

Being a loyal customer to Anet for almost a decade, I have faith in them. And I know they don’t do this.
But go ahead and call me a sheep or sheeple or drone or whatever it is you kids call us nowadays.

Anyways, will you be doing WVW or going right into the new maps on launch day?

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Posted by: Lambo.1405

Lambo.1405

The features I’m looking forward to most aren’t even part of HoT and they are being pushed for free before HoT releases. I’ll buy HoT and look forward for more content to come.

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Posted by: Ihrga.8325

Ihrga.8325

They are hardly laughing at ANet. They missed the opportunity to sell xpac for 50$ on it’s own. Now either they cut down the price and misse profits or stick to their guns and… leak customers = miss profits. XD

BTW GW2 is no the only one good game out there.

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Posted by: FirebrandFrog.7603

FirebrandFrog.7603

Being a loyal customer to Anet for almost a decade, I have faith in them. And I know they don’t do this.
But go ahead and call me a sheep or sheeple or drone or whatever it is you kids call us nowadays.

Anyways, will you be doing WVW or going right into the new maps on launch day?

I’m speaking to you in a nicer tone now because it’s clear you’re not completely blind.

But just a bit of advice, sir: don’t ever be too attached to a company brand. Capcom and Konami fans learned that the hard way, and I don’t want to see your heart break, either.

I meanwhile will probably just continue what it is I’ve already been doing (which is the Ascended Treadmill), maybe save up gold/IRL money for a character slot for a Revenant and kitten around in pvp as a reaper necro. But man, we aren’t even getting a 6th race when Tengu can use the Charr skeleton mesh for armors and have been around pretty prominently (at least compared to the others)…

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Posted by: Lambo.1405

Lambo.1405

Sure, there are other good games for sure. I’m a huge fan of Starbound too. I’ll buy both.

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Posted by: Unloveableone.6082

Unloveableone.6082

Being a loyal customer to Anet for almost a decade, I have faith in them. And I know they don’t do this.
But go ahead and call me a sheep or sheeple or drone or whatever it is you kids call us nowadays.

Anyways, will you be doing WVW or going right into the new maps on launch day?

I’m speaking to you in a nicer tone now because it’s clear you’re not completely blind.

But just a bit of advice, sir: don’t ever be too attached to a company brand. Capcom and Konami fans learned that the hard way, and I don’t want to see your heart break, either.

I meanwhile will probably just continue what it is I’ve already been doing (which is the Ascended Treadmill), maybe save up gold/IRL money for a character slot for a Revenant and kitten around in pvp as a reaper necro. But man, we aren’t even getting a 6th race when Tengu can use the Charr skeleton mesh for armors and have been around pretty prominently (at least compared to the others)…

Would rather Tengu or whatever race they add in eventually is worked on eventually and has a nice storyline to it.
Races aren’t really a big worry to me personally atm……………………………………………………………because I pick Human everytime in every game.

And Norn too.

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Posted by: ICEing.9237

ICEing.9237

The point I’m making is that, with everything Anet has done in the past that may have been unpopular, people complain then end up succumbing to what Anet has lay down as “this is how it’s going to be.”

I don’t think boycotting will change Arena Net’s mind or price. Boycott for a different reason but believe me they won’t change (or learn) from their mistakes.

I probably won’t be buying HoT because Anet doesn’t deserve my money with what they are doing or trying to do. But I don’t expect that they will change their price now because we complain. That will show they were wrong and boy, Anet sure doesn’t like to admit they were wrong that’s for sure. They just expect Everyone to conform to their parameters and we will because it’s their game.

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Posted by: Kageseigi.2150

Kageseigi.2150

But just a bit of advice, sir: don’t ever be too attached to a company brand. Capcom and Konami fans learned that the hard way, and I don’t want to see your heart break, either.

And never, ever, EVER allow Ubisoft or Electronic Arts to get anywhere NEAR your beloved games or developers!!! :’-(

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Posted by: Poetraven.2693

Poetraven.2693

I think £35 is abit too much for an expansion plus new people should not get expansion for free where other people had to pay £20+ for the guild war 2 game then they expect old players to pay £35+ for the expansion where new players only pay £35. There should be an expansion only price( with no base game for old players at a discounted price and £35+ for new players or people who want an new account.

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Posted by: Devata.6589

Devata.6589

This is short and sweet. It’s a cycle that I’ve seen happen over and over again.

Anet will release or change something. Like Megaserver for example. People immediately start complaining on the forums, the pages are filled with topics: “I’m quitting!” “Let’s make Anet hear us!”

Anet will not change anything. They are in the buisness to make money. Just like the era of Megaserver, they will ignore EVERYTHING you guys say until things die down. They know eventually you will accept it and buy the expac anyway. Just like it took about a month to accept the Megaserver, and now nobody complains and have grown to accept it, it will be the same here.

And the folks at Anet are probably laughing at the threats to not buy the expansion when they know well, when it releases and people realize the price will be the same, they will purchase it anyway. All while copy pasting reassuring messages your complaints are being heard.

That’s how it is.

“. Just like it took about a month to accept the Megaserver, and now nobody complains and have grown to accept it, it will be the same here.” This part is a huge misconception. Simply because people stop complaining on the forums does not mean they have accepted it. Megaservers still has major issues, while they have become smaller because the player-base has slinked down (so there usually is only one or maybe two maps, meaning you will end up with your friends).

However if it comes to guild-recruitment and WvW for example the problems are still just as big, you are now recruiting over multiple servers with your PvX guild, then you decide to go into WvW but woops, a big part of the guild is on another server. As one example. When servers get more crowded again after HoT gets released many of the other problems also will be visible again and people still dislike it. However they said about it on the forums what they did have to say about it. Some people will have left, others dislike it but not enough to stop playing. That all does not mean they accept it / are now fine with it.

Thinking like that is a huge mistake because it means you don’t fix your problems and with every negative thing added people grow more and more dissatisfied until something is the final straw for them and leave while you keep telling yourself they accepted everything.

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Posted by: HenleyLegoMan.4987

HenleyLegoMan.4987

Thank you to the OP for assuming what I will do, based on absolutely no relevant evidence to boot!

I won’t be buying the expansion unless:

1. They include a char slot with basic edition or
2. They reduce the price of the expansion enough so I can use the saving to buy a char slot.

If they don’t do either, I will not buy the expansion until it goes on discount however long down the line that will be.

I can assure you I won’t because believe it or not, myself and many others here have principles and we will not be dumped on by this company or ANY for that matter.

If Anet have any principles it will simply include char slot with basic edition and the world will be a happier place.

As for Anet won’t ever change regardless of what we say or do I’ll offer this piece of wisdom to you:

If you kick a dog enough times, it is going to bite you back!

There has never been a good war, or a bad peace.

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Posted by: CoRtex.2157

CoRtex.2157

Yep. And that’s why Anet will never be a successful company. Their reputation is sooooo bad since they launched GW2. They had a chance to make it up with HoT. Nope… But, that’s their problem. I don’t care if they want to be a fail company. Im not sure though if it is Anet that is making these decision or ncsoft.

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Posted by: Behellagh.1468

Behellagh.1468

This isn’t StarCraft II where Blizzard made a sequel to StarCraft but decided to sell each faction at full price and spaced out over years.

ANet seemed internally unsure what to call this. From one PoV it looks that HoT is being sold as a standalone game that also includes the original GW2 but can be attached to an existing GW2 account to allow you to keep your characters/bank.

But they came out of the gate back in January calling it an expansion that needed a copy of GW2 to be usable. That obviously changed and someone really needs to be accountable because it’s a disgraceful sales tactic if they knew this was how it would eventually end up. And I can’t believe this was a last minute change right before E3.

But then again E3 is really about sales to retailers who may not have been interested in stocking an expansion without the original still available. ANet isn’t Blizzard or EA with WoW and Sims X respectively. And the decreasing shelf space for PC games at retailers is also likely why there isn’t a collector’s edition with some figure, no place to put them.

Someone stuck there foot in their mouth and gnawed it right off.

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Posted by: Anymras.5729

Anymras.5729

I think that since the Dragonhunter name was never changed for Guardian spec, there isn’t much reason to believe pricing is going to change.

This is a silly, silly thing to say.

A name is something that can be laughed at and ignored, or replaced with a nickname. Don’t like the name? You might get the thing anyway, and it might grow on you. It’s subjective, it doesn’t really do anything. If the name is too bad, will you really skip on the thing just because of it? You’ve stated that you intend to drop a hundred dollars on this, despite the terrible name of one of the class elite specs, so I think that answers that.

Pricing is ‘You give us this amount, that you could otherwise use to buy literally anything else that costs this amount.’ If pricing is too high, they don’t get the money, because there’s other things more worth it, and if they don’t get the money…well, they say it makes the world go ‘round. I will be passing on this until/unless the price drops to a more reasonable amount – for the fifty dollars they’re asking for this expansion’s base edition, I could indulge in a variety of new and exciting experiences, thanks to Steam; fifty would cover five out of the six things currently on my wishlist. If I wait a little longer, some of them might go on Flash Sale, and then I’d be able to cover my entire wishlist.

In terms of sheer gameplay time, that’s certainly more efficient. However, if they were to give a ‘you already have the base game’ discount of, say, $20, I’d be picking up two copies as opposed to none, because my girlfriend is occasionally sad that we don’t play a lot of games together.

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Posted by: Kal Spiro.9745

Kal Spiro.9745

I’m really looking forward to the people who don’t buy it, then when the core game bonus is off the plate for pre-purchase, see the game is still $50, but the other bonus options are also gone so it’s just straight $50. They put up this fight for something they were going to get eventually anyway, and now they’re stuck without option.

If you were not going to buy it anyway, you wouldn’t be here raging. You would have said, simply, “That’s too rich for me, I’m moving on.” And you would have moved on.

Anyone coming to the forums to vent is already hooked. You’re not actually going to leave. You’re not going to hold out for a year or however long it takes to lower the price. You’re going to get it, and it’s going to cost you $50.

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Posted by: Unloveableone.6082

Unloveableone.6082

I’m really looking forward to the people who don’t buy it, then when the core game bonus is off the plate for pre-purchase, see the game is still $50, but the other bonus options are also gone so it’s just straight $50. They put up this fight for something they were going to get eventually anyway, and now they’re stuck without option.

If you were not going to buy it anyway, you wouldn’t be here raging. You would have said, simply, “That’s too rich for me, I’m moving on.” And you would have moved on.

Anyone coming to the forums to vent is already hooked. You’re not actually going to leave. You’re not going to hold out for a year or however long it takes to lower the price. You’re going to get it, and it’s going to cost you $50.

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Posted by: FinnFerral.1374

FinnFerral.1374

Plus the fact that almost all future development for the next couple of years at least will likely require a HoT enabled account to take full advantage of them. Yes, we dont know what features will be available initially for the $50 and that makes the price look steep , but it wont be just the features released with the xpac that you are getting for the investment it will be everything afterwards too. Sad truth is people who like the game, that don’t buy it for release, will get left behind.

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Posted by: Devata.6589

Devata.6589

I’m really looking forward to the people who don’t buy it, then when the core game bonus is off the plate for pre-purchase, see the game is still $50, but the other bonus options are also gone so it’s just straight $50. They put up this fight for something they were going to get eventually anyway, and now they’re stuck without option.

If you were not going to buy it anyway, you wouldn’t be here raging. You would have said, simply, “That’s too rich for me, I’m moving on.” And you would have moved on.

Anyone coming to the forums to vent is already hooked. You’re not actually going to leave. You’re not going to hold out for a year or however long it takes to lower the price. You’re going to get it, and it’s going to cost you $50.

So you say, ‘haha some people don’t like the deal but will get screwed (to their opinion) anyway’. Is this supposed to be a defend for Anet?

Because it’s not a really bad defend. It’s like some innocent man on dead row, explaining for the last time why can not possible has done the crime and you laugh at him because he will get executed anyway.

To me it shows for you it purely has become a we vs them fight. Strange.

If you would be a true fan you would want Anet to listen to those complains instead of laughing at them because as much as they might get screwed anyway, Anet will get a worse name by this.. anyway. If things stay as they are that is. That would make it a lose lose situation.

Anyway, I still have no problem with the price while I agree a char-slot in the standard edition, and then something else extra in the deluxe edition would be better. What I dislike the most is not having a CE edition.

If there is anything about the price I would complain about is that as far as it looks they keep going on with their cash-shop model instead of a B2P model. If they had a true B2P model (so nearly no cash-shop but generating most money with the game and expansions) an expansion for $50,- would be perfectly justifiably. For a game that used the model of many F2P games I do understand why people find the $50,- to high. At the same time, I did not hear all of them complain about the cash-shop and you buy 6 finishers for about the same price or a long boring grind.

So I understand why some people dislike it, but if I have any problems it’s on another part of the game.

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Posted by: Test.8734

Test.8734

Anet will not change anything. They are in the buisness to make money. Just like the era of Megaserver, they will ignore EVERYTHING you guys say until things die down. They know eventually you will accept it and buy the expac anyway. Just like it took about a month to accept the Megaserver, and now nobody complains and have grown to accept it, it will be the same here.

I wonder, though.

Those guys you remember complaining about ascended gear/the NPE/the megaservers/the Living World season 1 short’s duration/etc, etc?

Are they silent now because they have accepted it, or because they have left?

These are the GW2 earnings since release.

Is that the picture of a bunch of happy players who accept everything ArenaNet do? Doesn’t look like so.

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Posted by: Behellagh.1468

Behellagh.1468

Oh look, someone cleaned up up my graph and not attributed it to me. No biggie.

Anyways it shows the drop off from “box” sales to gem sales. HoT should spike that nicely.

And it show off how GW2 is still one of the higher income sources for NCSOFT. 3rd ahead of AION, Lineage II, WildStar and the combined income of their other games including GW and their mobile games.

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Posted by: Mad Queen Malafide.7512

Mad Queen Malafide.7512

You’re not buying the core game twice.

No honest, you are just paying the price of a full game, and the full game is included along with it for free.

Kind of like when you buy a new rearview mirror for your car, and it costs the price of a new car, but you get a free car along with it…. unless you already have a car, but its still the same price.

“Madness is just another way to view reality”
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Posted by: IndigoSundown.5419

IndigoSundown.5419

On the megaserver issue. There have been regular complaints. Like most issues, these come and go. The same was true about condition damage. Nearly three years after launch, Anet is doing something about conditions. Who is to say they won’t do “something” about megaserver — eventually?

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Posted by: Mallis.4295

Mallis.4295

Except the Megaservers aren’t ridiculously priced and bite older players who don’t want to buy the core game twice in the butt.

Try again.

You are literally not even kittening buying it.
It just comes as a bonus for people that don’t have it.
AGAIN.
YOU
ARE
NOT
BUYING
IT

kitten

Actually you are.
I bought the expansion (and have since refunded it) and when you apply the serial key it tells you something like “You are receiving these items” with a list of things. The core game is on that list. Then it says you will not receive it since you already have it.

So they actually are taking it away because you already have it. It’s part of every serial key. Not just new players.

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Posted by: Bathos.6341

Bathos.6341

There is NO SUCH THING as free in retail, ever notice that places offering “intrest free credit” always seem to have slightly higher prices? that’s because the base price is including intrest, so even if you buy it up front you’ve essentially payed intrest as if you bought it on credit anyway.
If the xpac includes a “free” copy of the base game, then the markup is enough to pay for including guild wars 2 in the bundle. Therefor, veterans are paying for including the GW2 base game, but not getting it because it does not count as an additional account for people already playing, it’s just deleted. I’ve always felt Anet value new players over existing, and this proves it perfectly. Anet really have decided to go for a revolving door on players, there really is not much point to me in playing any more since they have never rewarded people for staying in the game long term.

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Posted by: Gotejjeken.1267

Gotejjeken.1267

Except the Megaservers aren’t ridiculously priced and bite older players who don’t want to buy the core game twice in the butt.

Try again.

You are literally not even kittening buying it.
It just comes as a bonus for people that don’t have it.
AGAIN.
YOU
ARE
NOT
BUYING
IT

kitten

I don’t even. The game at launch was $60. The expansion is nearly $60…and you think the base game being included isn’t having an effect on the price?

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Posted by: Ashen.2907

Ashen.2907

Except the Megaservers aren’t ridiculously priced and bite older players who don’t want to buy the core game twice in the butt.

Try again.

You are literally not even kittening buying it.
It just comes as a bonus for people that don’t have it.
AGAIN.
YOU
ARE
NOT
BUYING
IT

kitten

I don’t even. The game at launch was $60. The expansion is nearly $60…and you think the base game being included isn’t having an effect on the price?

There is essentially no production cost associated with including the base game in the expansion. The price tag for HoT is seems more likely to be based on similarly priced expansions in the genre.

Exaggerating the cost of the expansion by 20% in order to draw a correlation between it and the cost of the game at launch seems odd. If $49.99 is almost $60 then it is also almost $40, one of the price points that some have claimed would be appropriate.

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Posted by: Azala Yar.7693

Azala Yar.7693

Anet will not change anything. They are in the buisness to make money. Just like the era of Megaserver, they will ignore EVERYTHING you guys say until things die down. They know eventually you will accept it and buy the expac anyway. Just like it took about a month to accept the Megaserver, and now nobody complains and have grown to accept it, it will be the same here.

I wonder, though.

Those guys you remember complaining about ascended gear/the NPE/the megaservers/the Living World season 1 short’s duration/etc, etc?

Are they silent now because they have accepted it, or because they have left?

These are the GW2 earnings since release.

Is that the picture of a bunch of happy players who accept everything ArenaNet do? Doesn’t look like so.

Was playing GW2 a lot until just after the first beta test, wasn’t impressed with what I saw (I know it was just a sample). Price of expansion put me off of buying it. Which is odd in some ways as I’ve purchased gems without even worrying about it before.

With the state of the MMO industry now and the way they’ve developed MMOs, I really don’t have much interest in them any longer. Although occasionally I’ll look at one of the forums. In the past I’ve had rests from an MMO and played another for awhile, but this time it’s different, looks like I’ve given up completely and reading forums just strengthens that resolve.

But you are right sometimes one side of an argument gets noticeably quieter on a forum and often it is because they’ve left already.

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Posted by: Aidenwolf.5964

Aidenwolf.5964

This is short and sweet. It’s a cycle that I’ve seen happen over and over again.

Anet will release or change something. Like Megaserver for example. People immediately start complaining on the forums, the pages are filled with topics: “I’m quitting!” “Let’s make Anet hear us!”

Anet will not change anything. They are in the buisness to make money. Just like the era of Megaserver, they will ignore EVERYTHING you guys say until things die down. They know eventually you will accept it and buy the expac anyway. Just like it took about a month to accept the Megaserver, and now nobody complains and have grown to accept it, it will be the same here.

And the folks at Anet are probably laughing at the threats to not buy the expansion when they know well, when it releases and people realize the price will be the same, they will purchase it anyway. All while copy pasting reassuring messages your complaints are being heard.

That’s how it is.

Well I know you’re wrong. I for one will not pre buy HoT unless they change this. I will also not buy HoT when it goes live if I feel they haven’t changed.

I’ve actually considered playing just the core game and uploading a poverty wars 2 playlist to see what life is like for those who don’t buy HoT, just in case they don’t change this. So no, I will not cave in and just buy it.

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Posted by: zengara.8301

zengara.8301

Even if all that is true, Guild Wars 2 is a great game, and dont know any other MMO I want to play tbh…….Every other mmo is simply straight out boring, at first I figured no end game in Gw2 was a bad thing, but noticed that I can play how I like to, I am not much for grind, everything can be a personal achievement…..

Everything from being best commander in WvW, solo lupi, solo arah path legit and teach new players how to do so, making legendaries yeah some people even have Role Playing in the game. The end game in Gw2 is the most fun thing I have tried……

I am not one of those who is going to equal past things A-Net have done, as if I “owe” them something from not making me pay sub etc……Because I really don’t, that was their decision and should NEVER be hold against anyone who play/paid for game and should never be an argument to why the price is as it is.
As far as I have seen it, everything from how guild halls work, to how you might be able to raid, and if not raid at least capture guild halls with only specific people “guild members” which is the first over 5 man PvE instance I have seen……I find that part of the game already worth 50$ for me, might be fanboyism, but for me personally it is worth it, I want to see how story develops, I want to be one of the first playing/capturing guild halls, and I truly like this game for what it is. If you have not used as much time on the game as I have or do not find this game fun in such a way, you probably should not pay for expansion.

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Posted by: Smooth Penguin.5294

Smooth Penguin.5294

Since I bought the Ultimate edition, does that mean I paid for the game 3 times? And if I decided to buy another Ultimate just because, then I’d have bought the game a total of 5 times?

No. It doesn’t work that way. And ICE’s OP about the endless cycle of forum life is pretty spot on.

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Posted by: Aidenwolf.5964

Aidenwolf.5964

Since I bought the Ultimate edition, does that mean I paid for the game 3 times? And if I decided to buy another Ultimate just because, then I’d have bought the game a total of 5 times?

No. It doesn’t work that way. And ICE’s OP about the endless cycle of forum life is pretty spot on.

The amount of players that never come / came back aren’t here to dispute the statement but we all know loads of players who aren’t buying HoT. The left and never were heard from again.

My collector’s edition laughs at your digital thingy

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Posted by: nGumball.1283

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Some adjustments may happen but if people are really awaiting the price to drop, they are literally dreaming because it is almost unheard of in the MMO industry. And if it ever happens, which apparently will someday, it will happen a while after the release.

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Posted by: Kal Spiro.9745

Kal Spiro.9745

I’m really looking forward to the people who don’t buy it, then when the core game bonus is off the plate for pre-purchase, see the game is still $50, but the other bonus options are also gone so it’s just straight $50. They put up this fight for something they were going to get eventually anyway, and now they’re stuck without option.

If you were not going to buy it anyway, you wouldn’t be here raging. You would have said, simply, “That’s too rich for me, I’m moving on.” And you would have moved on.

Anyone coming to the forums to vent is already hooked. You’re not actually going to leave. You’re not going to hold out for a year or however long it takes to lower the price. You’re going to get it, and it’s going to cost you $50.

So you say, ‘haha some people don’t like the deal but will get screwed (to their opinion) anyway’. Is this supposed to be a defend for Anet?

Because it’s not a really bad defend. It’s like some innocent man on dead row, explaining for the last time why can not possible has done the crime and you laugh at him because he will get executed anyway.

To me it shows for you it purely has become a we vs them fight. Strange.

If you would be a true fan you would want Anet to listen to those complains instead of laughing at them because as much as they might get screwed anyway, Anet will get a worse name by this.. anyway. If things stay as they are that is. That would make it a lose lose situation.

Anyway, I still have no problem with the price while I agree a char-slot in the standard edition, and then something else extra in the deluxe edition would be better. What I dislike the most is not having a CE edition.

If there is anything about the price I would complain about is that as far as it looks they keep going on with their cash-shop model instead of a B2P model. If they had a true B2P model (so nearly no cash-shop but generating most money with the game and expansions) an expansion for $50,- would be perfectly justifiably. For a game that used the model of many F2P games I do understand why people find the $50,- to high. At the same time, I did not hear all of them complain about the cash-shop and you buy 6 finishers for about the same price or a long boring grind.

So I understand why some people dislike it, but if I have any problems it’s on another part of the game.

Sorry, no. Your death row analogy isn’t appropriate. The difference is that a death row inmate doesn’t have a choice to not get killed. He’s stuck. These people have a choice. They could choose not to buy it or to quit. What I’m laughing at is that they made their choice but are railing against it anyway. I’m predicting what their choice is and was, not saying they don’t have a choice.

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Posted by: chemiclord.3978

chemiclord.3978

Here’s what happens every time.

Arena.net makes an announcement.

A cadre of Internet warriors loses their collective minds, and goes apekitten for a week or two over the latest perceived slight.

They eventually either get over themselves or leave for good, and we have relative peace again. A small handful of posters carry the flame indefinitely, but eventually they get tuned out into background noise.

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Posted by: Linnael.1069

Linnael.1069

Except the Megaservers aren’t ridiculously priced and bite older players who don’t want to buy the core game twice in the butt.

Try again.

You are literally not even kittening buying it.
It just comes as a bonus for people that don’t have it.
AGAIN.
YOU
ARE
NOT
BUYING
IT

kitten

It costs ANet to give stuff out for free.
Somebody else has to pay more to recoup that cost.

So on one level you’re right we aren’t buying the extra copies for ourselves.
We’re buying them for the new players. Huh, guess we really are the nicest community in gaming.

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Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

The point I’m making is that, with everything Anet has done in the past that may have been unpopular, people complain then end up succumbing to what Anet has lay down as “this is how it’s going to be.”

I don’t think boycotting will change Arena Net’s mind or price. Boycott for a different reason but believe me they won’t change (or learn) from their mistakes.

I probably won’t be buying HoT because Anet doesn’t deserve my money with what they are doing or trying to do. But I don’t expect that they will change their price now because we complain. That will show they were wrong and boy, Anet sure doesn’t like to admit they were wrong that’s for sure. They just expect Everyone to conform to their parameters and we will because it’s their game.

Yes they’re trying to make money. What a horrible thing for a company to do. Oh the shame.

$50 is fine for an expansion. WoW charges that and also a sub. FFXIV charges $40 but also a sub. There’s no reason any AAA title shouldn’t charge $50 for an expansion.

In the case of Guild Wars 2, there’s also content that comes for free after the expansion. You’re not buying a game, you’re buying access to a world. That’s the difference between an MMO and a standalone game.

Since I’ve gotten thousands of hours for my initial purchase, I’m happy to make my second purchase. Anet isn’t doing anything wrong here. They’re simply removing a barrier to entry to that new people can play the game more easily which helps veteran player as well.

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Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

Except the Megaservers aren’t ridiculously priced and bite older players who don’t want to buy the core game twice in the butt.

Try again.

You are literally not even kittening buying it.
It just comes as a bonus for people that don’t have it.
AGAIN.
YOU
ARE
NOT
BUYING
IT

kitten

It costs ANet to give stuff out for free.
Somebody else has to pay more to recoup that cost.

So on one level you’re right we aren’t buying the extra copies for ourselves.
We’re buying them for the new players. Huh, guess we really are the nicest community in gaming.

We’re not buying the game for new people, Anet is simply not charging new people for it, The price is the same with or without the original game being included. Would you be happy if they offered just an upgrade for $50, because that was the original plan.

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Posted by: StinVec.3621

StinVec.3621

$50+ USD for an expansion that includes enough content to justify the price?

  • Fine with me. Take my money. I also thank you for offering a quality product.

$50+ USD for this “expansion” which has not shown that it includes enough content to justify the price?

  • Not a chance. I’ll spend my money elsewhere, hang on to it until they show that it contains enough content to justify the price, or wait until it is a price that is more reasonable for the amount of content it contains before purchasing it.

That’s what I’m doing anyway. I don’t care what everyone else does with their money as that’s none of my business. Even if their buying the overpriced product supports and reinforces the marketing strategy and despicable business practices I will not support, it is not my business as it is not my money or place to dictate on what items and at what prices others should spend their money.

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Posted by: Linnael.1069

Linnael.1069

Except the Megaservers aren’t ridiculously priced and bite older players who don’t want to buy the core game twice in the butt.

Try again.

You are literally not even kittening buying it.
It just comes as a bonus for people that don’t have it.
AGAIN.
YOU
ARE
NOT
BUYING
IT

kitten

It costs ANet to give stuff out for free.
Somebody else has to pay more to recoup that cost.

So on one level you’re right we aren’t buying the extra copies for ourselves.
We’re buying them for the new players. Huh, guess we really are the nicest community in gaming.

We’re not buying the game for new people, Anet is simply not charging new people for it, The price is the same with or without the original game being included. Would you be happy if they offered just an upgrade for $50, because that was the original plan.

“Simply not charging people” is an opportunity cost that somebody has to bear. The expansion would not be priced at 50$ if they were not giving out copies, barring the possibility that arenanet is generous enough to take the loss but somehow not generous enough to take an equivalent loss (charslot=$10=basegame) for veterans.

Now I’m not saying the latter possibility isn’t an option. It’s probably the most likely situation given marketing benefits of generosity to new players and the relative lack of gains when extending those benefits to vets. However, I see alot of people coming out with the “but its just a gift” argument as a counter to people who are aggrieved by the difference in treatment, when really it doesn’t change a thing.

TL;DR: Either we’re paying for the new copies, or Arenanet is choosing to make less money off of them but not off of us. Either way they vets are getting shafted and only the first option makes sense from an economics standpoint.

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Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

Except the Megaservers aren’t ridiculously priced and bite older players who don’t want to buy the core game twice in the butt.

Try again.

You are literally not even kittening buying it.
It just comes as a bonus for people that don’t have it.
AGAIN.
YOU
ARE
NOT
BUYING
IT

kitten

It costs ANet to give stuff out for free.
Somebody else has to pay more to recoup that cost.

So on one level you’re right we aren’t buying the extra copies for ourselves.
We’re buying them for the new players. Huh, guess we really are the nicest community in gaming.

We’re not buying the game for new people, Anet is simply not charging new people for it, The price is the same with or without the original game being included. Would you be happy if they offered just an upgrade for $50, because that was the original plan.

“Simply not charging people” is an opportunity cost that somebody has to bear. The expansion would not be priced at 50$ if they were not giving out copies, barring the possibility that arenanet is generous enough to take the loss but somehow not generous enough to take an equivalent loss (charslot=$10=basegame) for veterans.

Now I’m not saying the latter possibility isn’t an option. It’s probably the most likely situation given marketing benefits of generosity to new players and the relative lack of gains when extending those benefits to vets. However, I see alot of people coming out with the “but its just a gift” argument as a counter to people who are aggrieved by the difference in treatment, when really it doesn’t change a thing.

TL;DR: Either we’re paying for the new copies, or Arenanet is choosing to make less money off of them but not off of us. Either way they vets are getting shafted and only the first option makes sense from an economics standpoint.

Or Anet wants more people to have access to the gem shop, which makes them money.

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Posted by: Ashen.2907

Ashen.2907

“Simply not charging people” is an opportunity cost that somebody has to bear. The expansion would not be priced at 50$ if they were not giving out copies, barring the possibility that arenanet is generous enough to take the loss but somehow not generous enough to take an equivalent loss (charslot=$10=basegame) for veterans.

There is not necessarily a loss in giving the base game out for free to new players who buy the expansion. There is essentially no cost, opportunity or otherwise, for adding the core game to the expansion. Essentially no production cost.

On the other hand combining the core and expansion into one box increases the likelihood of new players buying into the game.

Which produces more revenue:
1) a player choosing to not spend $100 to play GW2 + HoT.
2) a player choosing to spend $50 to play GW2 + HoT.