Guild Wars 2

ophidic.1279:

MikaHR.1978:

ophidic.1279:

MikaHR.1978:

ophidic.1279:

MikaHR.1978:

Hrithmus.2583:

I played FF11 for years and that game was a GRIND. Almost a 2nd job no joke. This game is no where near the amount of grind that game was. Some weapons you would need to get items that had a 0.9% drop rate and the monster would only spawn every 72 hours AND you had to fight to get the monster while 19 other people were camping trying to kill it. So yeah this is nothing.

And then that game is part of history and failed miserably in the west (like all korean grinders)

Your point?

Its not as bad (YET) as some crappy korean grinder so that makes it allright rofl

And i like it….Grind Wars 2, its quite suitable

The point is everyone should shut their face about the grind because it’s NOT a grind.

Oh good, you like GW2. I have this overwhelming urge to yell at everyone how it’s not a proper grind.

It is a grind. This is not Korea.

Boy I had grinding super mario brothers to get to world 8

Good for you!

That’s what it is though, a terrible no good grind. AWFUL. All that jumping and block breaking. I DON’T HAVE THE TIME.

I have plenty of time to grind this, but I’m not going to because its just pointlessly silly at this point. No one really WANTS to grind for anything… people just get caught up in it and take it up as a challenge, but once they realize that it’s not a real challenge at all, just a time-waster… well, then their eyes finally open.

What are we supposed to craft from 400 to 500? I made some ori ingots, got to 423 and now have no idea what to craft? Are we supposed to craft freaking exotics we’ve unlocked at 400? Do not compute.

Goodby mario and luigi, i’m sorry it’s come to this but I just don’t have the time to save princess toadstool anymore, you guys are on your own.

Ala every “I quit” letter ever. There’s a hilarious one up right now.

Nuka Cola.8520:

What are we supposed to craft from 400 to 500? I made some ori ingots, got to 423 and now have no idea what to craft? Are we supposed to craft freaking exotics we’ve unlocked at 400? Do not compute.

Exotic discoveries. Same way you leveled up through every other tier.

Nuka Cola.8520:

What are we supposed to craft from 400 to 500? I made some ori ingots, got to 423 and now have no idea what to craft? Are we supposed to craft freaking exotics we’ve unlocked at 400? Do not compute.

Yes.

You are going to have to craft exotics all the way to 500.

Yes….take a second to let that sink in.

Then just make a legendary. About the same money required…swappable stats.

Vorch.2985:

Nuka Cola.8520:

What are we supposed to craft from 400 to 500? I made some ori ingots, got to 423 and now have no idea what to craft? Are we supposed to craft freaking exotics we’ve unlocked at 400? Do not compute.

Yes.

You are going to have to craft exotics all the way to 500.

Yes….take a second to let that sink in.

Then just make a legendary. About the same money required…swappable stats.

If legendary weapons didn’t need 100% map exploration i may have done that but no way in hell im mapping the 31% left.

Vorch.2985:

Nuka Cola.8520:

What are we supposed to craft from 400 to 500? I made some ori ingots, got to 423 and now have no idea what to craft? Are we supposed to craft freaking exotics we’ve unlocked at 400? Do not compute.

Yes.

You are going to have to craft exotics all the way to 500.

Yes….take a second to let that sink in.

Then just make a legendary. About the same money required…swappable stats.

No you don’t have to craft exotics to 500 you refine the new mats that were introduced today…..

kitten people need to pull their heads out of their kitten.

Namu.5712:

Vorch.2985:

Nuka Cola.8520:

What are we supposed to craft from 400 to 500? I made some ori ingots, got to 423 and now have no idea what to craft? Are we supposed to craft freaking exotics we’ve unlocked at 400? Do not compute.

Yes.

You are going to have to craft exotics all the way to 500.

Yes….take a second to let that sink in.

Then just make a legendary. About the same money required…swappable stats.

No you don’t have to craft exotics to 500 you refine the new mats that were introduced today…..

kitten people need to pull their heads out of their kitten.

You need to salvage exotics for dark matter anyway. Since that seems to be not so common slavage….rofl

As I can read we have two groups. One group who thinks this is a grind game and another group who doesn’t think this is a grind game since they already have what group 1 wants. Hmmm, people can be so strange and false informed. As far as I can see is that people just love to complain and that Anet can do nothing good except when it’s exactly what they had in mind. Yes, sadly we are that spoiled. There is grind in GW 2 but not required to do to get something. If you just play the game for fun you can get everything. It might take a little longer but you can get it. Prizes will drop and you can buy it from the TP or be lucky enough to get it while playing. What I am saying is, doing be a spoiled brat that only had to pay 50 €/$ or so to play a game that gets a lot of new updates for FREE! Lots of other games cost as much and you are done with it after 25 hours… There are going to be changes you like and don’t like. And yes share your opinion about it but please with less drama.

Varakkys.2490:

People need to get some perspective.

haha yea i agree with you

grind wars? you get an easily achieved max lvl and a rly easy path to acceptable gear, not to mention you can have all 8 professions each maxed out within less than a month. money and drops are super easy to come by.

ITT ppl complain because they have trained themselves to complain first, think second.

coronaas.4362:

Nuka Cola.8520:

Anet should learn to put ‘rare’ items in challenging content instead of ALWAYS being craftable inside mystic toilet or crafting stations. GW2 is becoming a Craft Simulation game and i don’t play an MMO to craft all my %$#& and then stand in a city asking myself why i spent so much time/money crafting an item when there’s no content to be experienced with it.

Want a legendary? buy one off the tp (or buy 90% of the mats and “grind” the skillpoints/karma needed) want minis? buy them off the tp. Want anything? buy it off the tp.

what in this game is even worth showing off to other people? What can I get for 2000 hours of playing your game that a fresh 80 cant get with a creditcard?

Liandri mini?

Vorch.2985:

Since no one seemed to see this:

“Ascended weapons can now drop anywhere ascended materials or other ascended items can be found.”

Just keep champ farming or doing dungeons. Nothing to see here.

Yeah sure with the MF nerf i have a massive 29% now. WHEN before this MF nerf my gear got me 125%. Good call. Im sure it will drop by the 900th champ i kill.

ophidic.1279:

GOSU.9574:

Welcome to FLASHBACK 2012.

This is what happens to the peeps who say “LOL you noob if you think GW2 is a grind you don’t know what a grind is”. Yeah, all that “We don’t make grindy games”, ‘we don’t have a gear treadmill’, etc. All the peeps that harped on those of us who complained when the first implementations of all this began to surface. Yeah…

To all those peeps who said it wasn’t a grindy game…LOL.

People on GW2 STILL don’t know a real grind. They’re just pampered and need some perspective.

I know, I know. You use to play a game that was never any fun at all. You spent all your time breaking rocks in a desert. It took 6 months of toil until you were able to try to fight a your first boss. The boss has a .00001% chance of dropping a shard. 7,000 shards could be combined into a fragment. 10,000 fragmets made a piece or armor. Whatever.

Why would you play such a game?

Peets.8529:

As I can read we have two groups. One group who thinks this is a grind game and another group who doesn’t think this is a grind game since they already have what group 1 wants. Hmmm, people can be so strange and false informed. As far as I can see is that people just love to complain and that Anet can do nothing good except when it’s exactly what they had in mind. Yes, sadly we are that spoiled. There is grind in GW 2 but not required to do to get something. If you just play the game for fun you can get everything. It might take a little longer but you can get it. Prizes will drop and you can buy it from the TP or be lucky enough to get it while playing. What I am saying is, doing be a spoiled brat that only had to pay 50 €/$ or so to play a game that gets a lot of new updates for FREE! Lots of other games cost as much and you are done with it after 25 hours… There are going to be changes you like and don’t like. And yes share your opinion about it but please with less drama.

Yes. I am spoiled. ENTERTAIN ME. That’s what I paid for. That’s what will keep me buying gems in the gem store. Do a kitten jig, sing a song, make flashy graphics.

Why would anyone accept anything less from a hobby?

TooBz.3065:

ophidic.1279:

GOSU.9574:

Welcome to FLASHBACK 2012.

This is what happens to the peeps who say “LOL you noob if you think GW2 is a grind you don’t know what a grind is”. Yeah, all that “We don’t make grindy games”, ‘we don’t have a gear treadmill’, etc. All the peeps that harped on those of us who complained when the first implementations of all this began to surface. Yeah…

To all those peeps who said it wasn’t a grindy game…LOL.

People on GW2 STILL don’t know a real grind. They’re just pampered and need some perspective.

I know, I know. You use to play a game that was never any fun at all. You spent all your time breaking rocks in a desert. It took 6 months of toil until you were able to try to fight a your first boss. The boss has a .00001% chance of dropping a shard. 7,000 shards could be combined into a fragment. 10,000 fragmets made a piece or armor. Whatever.

Why would you play such a game?

same could be asked of this game if it’s sooooooooo much of a grind. Everyone criticizing game mechanics when what better examples are there of a non grindy mmo?

TooBz.3065:

Peets.8529:

As I can read we have two groups. One group who thinks this is a grind game and another group who doesn’t think this is a grind game since they already have what group 1 wants. Hmmm, people can be so strange and false informed. As far as I can see is that people just love to complain and that Anet can do nothing good except when it’s exactly what they had in mind. Yes, sadly we are that spoiled. There is grind in GW 2 but not required to do to get something. If you just play the game for fun you can get everything. It might take a little longer but you can get it. Prizes will drop and you can buy it from the TP or be lucky enough to get it while playing. What I am saying is, doing be a spoiled brat that only had to pay 50 €/$ or so to play a game that gets a lot of new updates for FREE! Lots of other games cost as much and you are done with it after 25 hours… There are going to be changes you like and don’t like. And yes share your opinion about it but please with less drama.

Yes. I am spoiled. ENTERTAIN ME. That’s what I paid for. That’s what will keep me buying gems in the gem store. Do a kitten jig, sing a song, make flashy graphics.

Why would anyone except anything less from a hobby?

Man, go watch a movie.

I give this topic about another 4 hours and it will be “merged” with the other ascended topic’s to be forever lost and ignored.

Whoever designed this bullkitten need to be fired asap, and change their feild. Consider something more simple, like a Mcdonalds employee.

Funset.7893:

Whoever designed this bullkitten need to be fired asap, and change their feild. Consider something more simple, like a Mcdonalds employee.

lmao

Funset.7893:

Whoever designed this bullkitten need to be fired asap, and change their feild. Consider something more simple, like a Mcdonalds employee.

Nah, who designed this is doing his job as told by his overlords.

West is not target audience any more, if you notice NCSofts portfolio of games they are only pretty much present in the east and pretty much all of their games failed miserably in the west, and they are putting their eggs in the eastern market. That means reworking the game to rely on RNG and epic grind.

Weapons are just beginning, when that introduce everything they had to introduce to be “ready” for eastern (China) release and post launch releases….it will put even worst Korean grinders to shame.

Oh, and much more reliance on cash shop to “ease the grind” like buying Legendaries and various -utation stones, and as seen today buy gold for real money for insta Ascended gear.

I’m going on 9 alts’ going going to add 2 more soon. This is shear madness! I want to play AT a finished level. Not spend all my time getting to that level.

Honestly, I wouldn’t care if I had one character and we learned professions/skills on top of each other. Instead of all these alts. It just makes this a grind…

why don’t they actually put things behind fun content instead of these long kitten grinds? i mean seriously, this game should be called farm wars 2.

dcypher.2590:

why don’t they actually put things behind fun content instead of these long kitten grinds? i mean seriously, this game should be called farm wars 2.

It’s the same person messing the game up every time, that woman developer (whatever her name is) that is in charge of the loot.

She’s responsible for this grinding mess that we’re in now. She’s responsible for the fact that getting a precursor involves playing a slot machine.

If it was me, woulda sacked her a long time ago.

I wanted to cry after seeing all the things you have to do for one weapon. That and all my clicking for the essences of luck. Or maybe its because tribulation mode made meh sad QQ

dcypher.2590:

why don’t they actually put things behind fun content instead of these long kitten grinds? i mean seriously, this game should be called farm wars 2.

OMG, it’s an mmorpg! That’s like playing a racing game and complaining about all that annoying driving!

Lokki.1092:

coronaas.4362:

Nuka Cola.8520:

Anet should learn to put ‘rare’ items in challenging content instead of ALWAYS being craftable inside mystic toilet or crafting stations. GW2 is becoming a Craft Simulation game and i don’t play an MMO to craft all my %$#& and then stand in a city asking myself why i spent so much time/money crafting an item when there’s no content to be experienced with it.

Want a legendary? buy one off the tp (or buy 90% of the mats and “grind” the skillpoints/karma needed) want minis? buy them off the tp. Want anything? buy it off the tp.

what in this game is even worth showing off to other people? What can I get for 2000 hours of playing your game that a fresh 80 cant get with a creditcard?

Liandri mini?

In a game that have bizillion minis and new ones added EVERY SINGLE patch… your mini will only be noticed by you and you only.

Shelledfade.6435:

dcypher.2590:

why don’t they actually put things behind fun content instead of these long kitten grinds? i mean seriously, this game should be called farm wars 2.

It’s the same person messing the game up every time, that woman developer (whatever her name is) that is in charge of the loot.

She’s responsible for this grinding mess that we’re in now. She’s responsible for the fact that getting a precursor involves playing a slot machine.

If it was me, woulda sacked her a long time ago.

it’s too much…I’d hate to see someone get canned, but for the love of kitten let someone else design the systems. it’s boring farming mindlessly all day long..this game was supposed to be the game you could sign on and do whatever you want and work towards whatever you want by doing whatever you want, but really it’s just grinding and farming the easiest locations with the zergs at the expense of broken events…

kitten now all they need to do is introduce random stats rolled onto gear and there will literally be zero difference between this game and diablo 3 besides the fact that d3 doesn’t try to hide it.

ophidic.1279:

dcypher.2590:

why don’t they actually put things behind fun content instead of these long kitten grinds? i mean seriously, this game should be called farm wars 2.

OMG, it’s an mmorpg! That’s like playing a racing game and complaining about all that annoying driving!

word? i don’t think you’ve played many mmos if you believe this level of grinding is normal..in western mmo’s at least. for a company to champion the fact they are different they sure do a lot of things worse when it comes to loot.

Nuka Cola.8520:

Lokki.1092:

coronaas.4362:

Nuka Cola.8520:

Anet should learn to put ‘rare’ items in challenging content instead of ALWAYS being craftable inside mystic toilet or crafting stations. GW2 is becoming a Craft Simulation game and i don’t play an MMO to craft all my %$#& and then stand in a city asking myself why i spent so much time/money crafting an item when there’s no content to be experienced with it.

Want a legendary? buy one off the tp (or buy 90% of the mats and “grind” the skillpoints/karma needed) want minis? buy them off the tp. Want anything? buy it off the tp.

what in this game is even worth showing off to other people? What can I get for 2000 hours of playing your game that a fresh 80 cant get with a creditcard?

Liandri mini?

In a game that have bizillion minis and new ones added EVERY SINGLE patch… your mini will only be noticed by you and you only.

I notice people’s minis sometimes if its something I like.

ophidic.1279:

Nuka Cola.8520:

Lokki.1092:

coronaas.4362:

Nuka Cola.8520:

Anet should learn to put ‘rare’ items in challenging content instead of ALWAYS being craftable inside mystic toilet or crafting stations. GW2 is becoming a Craft Simulation game and i don’t play an MMO to craft all my %$#& and then stand in a city asking myself why i spent so much time/money crafting an item when there’s no content to be experienced with it.

Want a legendary? buy one off the tp (or buy 90% of the mats and “grind” the skillpoints/karma needed) want minis? buy them off the tp. Want anything? buy it off the tp.

what in this game is even worth showing off to other people? What can I get for 2000 hours of playing your game that a fresh 80 cant get with a creditcard?

Liandri mini?

In a game that have bizillion minis and new ones added EVERY SINGLE patch… your mini will only be noticed by you and you only.

I notice people’s minis sometimes if its something I like.

to even noticed them, you need to be outside LA plus, an unique looking armor or weapon would’ve been much more noticeable and useful… Anet chose the easy path, lets spam minis instead of giving the players hard to attain and nice looking equipment.

ophidic.1279:

dcypher.2590:

why don’t they actually put things behind fun content instead of these long kitten grinds? i mean seriously, this game should be called farm wars 2.

OMG, it’s an mmorpg! That’s like playing a racing game and complaining about all that annoying driving!

No that’s not a mmorpg.

Ultima online was a mmorpg. You can thank games like wow and now gw2 for making “gear” into content. We were told the philosophy would remain from gw1: get your gear quick then play the game how you want.

Mix in wvwvw and ascendent and you’ll see why this is a problem.

dcypher.2590:

Shelledfade.6435:

dcypher.2590:

why don’t they actually put things behind fun content instead of these long kitten grinds? i mean seriously, this game should be called farm wars 2.

It’s the same person messing the game up every time, that woman developer (whatever her name is) that is in charge of the loot.

She’s responsible for this grinding mess that we’re in now. She’s responsible for the fact that getting a precursor involves playing a slot machine.

If it was me, woulda sacked her a long time ago.

it’s too much…I’d hate to see someone get canned, but for the love of kitten let someone else design the systems. it’s boring farming mindlessly all day long..this game was supposed to be the game you could sign on and do whatever you want and work towards whatever you want by doing whatever you want, but really it’s just grinding and farming the easiest locations with the zergs at the expense of broken events…

kitten now all they need to do is introduce random stats rolled onto gear and there will literally be zero difference between this game and diablo 3 besides the fact that d3 doesn’t try to hide it.

sad but true….

…I think I’d much rather hold onto my materials and gold until we get craftable precursors and/or the scavenger hunt. I don’t care how long that takes. Every bit of content in the game right now can be accomplished with Exotic weapons and Ascended trinkets. As long as they don’t introduce content that requires having ascended weapons/armor to complete, I really don’t see the point. If that happens, though, then I’ll be…unhappy.

this godkitten grind and farmparty and now “grindcraft” makes me mad.This new weapons are so against twinks and people who like play multiple characters.Why anet why anet…

“Here’s what we believe: If someone wants to play for a thousand hours to get an item that is so rare that other players can’t realistically acquire it, that rare item should be differentiated by its visual appearance and rarity alone, not by being more powerful than everything else in the game. Otherwise, your MMO becomes all about grinding to get the best gear. We don’t make grindy games – we leave the grind to other MMOs.”
-Mike O’Brien

“The rarest items in the game are not more powerful than other items, so you don’t need them to be the best. The rarest items have unique looks to help your character feel that sense of accomplishment, but it’s not required to play the game. We don’t need to make mandatory gear treadmills, we make all of it optional, so those who find it fun to chase this prestigious gear can do so, but those who don’t are just as powerful and get to have fun too.”
-Colin Johanson

Not going to say they’re liars. Not going to say they mislead their consumer base. Just going to say by the very definition of both these guys, Guild Wars 2 is not fun and is all about grinding to get the best gear making it just as tall of a pile of kitten !$%# as “other MMOs”. I just wanted to congratulate you guys on a job miserably failed.

They cross one more line (likely the impending WvW Orb buff and League implementation) and I quit until its fixed, I’m barely playing much as it is and hell I’m already not going to give them anymore money until they fix the game…but if they cross another line after that I’ll boycott anything that NCSoft ever gets their hands on, and ensure I talk as much trash about this game as possible, just to be sure I’m doing my part in spreading the word about Guild Wars 2. You know, just like I spread the word about how awesome and genre changing this game would be using these very same above quotes to eventually make myself look like a !@#$ing idiot when it turned out not even closely resemble the truth.

It just doesn’t make sense in this type of game where items are supposed to give a very minor performance upgrade. Why would I bother? I would bother in world of warcraft because an upgrade in that game is actually meaningful / a big boost to character power.

I love everyone threatening to quit like anyone cares.

There’s enough people that are totally satisfied with the game to negate all this.

TheDaiBish.9735:

I don’t get it.

I got a lot of them mats playing around 6 hours a week, and I’ve already got half of the Bloodstone from 10 bags. Hardly a full time job :/

OK now think about how many alts you have and how many weapons for each. In my case 5 alts at level 80 with minimum 4 weapons FOR EACH.

I haven’t played yet, but one thing to be assured, is that the culture of grinding is becoming embraced internally, if people are still in doubt.

Josh Foreman.8250:

Ant.3415:

I’m looking forward to this but I think having a grind for continue coins is a mistake, and as others have said I hope we don’t have to go through that intro dialogue each time.

I remember back in the day grinding for gold in Final Fantasy 1 and Dragon Warrior 1 to be able to buy enough potions to beat the bosses and dungeons. That’s essentially what you’ll be doing. The time invested in doing so ratchets up the tension.

While this quote was in response to the hard mode of the new SAB, I’ve read some people having difficulty in world 2 in normal mode (haven’t played yet, so can’t comment myself, though I do know I do expect to die a lot initially, so grinding will be required for me even in normal mode).

ophidic.1279:

I love everyone threatening to quit like anyone cares.

There’s enough people that are totally satisfied with the game to negate all this.

I really, really doubt that.

Why can’t they just roll out all the ways to get ascended at the same time? I mean, crafting and random rare drops (aka never — I only dropped ONE exotic in 1 year of playing) are not gonna be the only ways… right? RIGHT?

It remains to be seen how long this actually it takes. But regardless how long, it’s just boring as hell like lolgendaries. Just a bunch of nonsensical recipes with a crapload of random mats in stacks of 250. The hell i’m gonna log in every day to craft crap, right lol

You kittened up.

I play TERA (korean MMO, ppl say it have alots of grind) and i can tell you GW2 is very comparable in therms of how much you have to do something repeatedly to get best (in gw2 case, arguably best looking) gear, i even dare to say GW2 is worse in some aspects…
I woudnt mind doing some open world PvE, but its just sooo bad in GW2 i have no joy doing events i have no impacts on i can die 10000x times or afk the whole thing and let other 20 people spam 1-1-1-1-1-6-1-1-1… and the result is same thats just meh and it feels very pointless and empty on the other hand when you do something challanging it feels great when you do it right beacuse it shows…
I was soo happy when we beated Shandra manaya in TERA for the first time we were undergeared, blew alots of gold on crystals and consumables, failed like 15x in 3day period and we enjoyed every single second of the beating she gave us and we got almost no drop from it, did we cared?….hell no! we didnt did that for gear, but because we just wanted to beat her and it was soooo much fun and ive honestly never experienced anything like this in GW2 everything was done because i wanted gold/skin not because i wanted to do it so bad…
I really believe if repeating the easiest stuffs over and over wouldnt be the fastest way to get items/mats (unless you are very lucky with drops), players wouldnt be soo mad…

You don’t actually need that many materials.

Stop crying.

TooBz.3065:

Peets.8529:

As I can read we have two groups. One group who thinks this is a grind game and another group who doesn’t think this is a grind game since they already have what group 1 wants. Hmmm, people can be so strange and false informed. As far as I can see is that people just love to complain and that Anet can do nothing good except when it’s exactly what they had in mind. Yes, sadly we are that spoiled. There is grind in GW 2 but not required to do to get something. If you just play the game for fun you can get everything. It might take a little longer but you can get it. Prizes will drop and you can buy it from the TP or be lucky enough to get it while playing. What I am saying is, doing be a spoiled brat that only had to pay 50 €/$ or so to play a game that gets a lot of new updates for FREE! Lots of other games cost as much and you are done with it after 25 hours… There are going to be changes you like and don’t like. And yes share your opinion about it but please with less drama.

Yes. I am spoiled. ENTERTAIN ME. That’s what I paid for. That’s what will keep me buying gems in the gem store. Do a kitten jig, sing a song, make flashy graphics.

Why would anyone except anything less from a hobby?

Exactly. Just a quick friendly reminder to people who come from facebook moneygrabbers or asian grinders, a game is an entertainment product. How on earth can someone who wants an entertainment product to be fun be called spoiled anyway? Want me to play longer? Want me to pay? Give me game, not this kitten.

Harbard.5738:

TooBz.3065:

Peets.8529:

As I can read we have two groups. One group who thinks this is a grind game and another group who doesn’t think this is a grind game since they already have what group 1 wants. Hmmm, people can be so strange and false informed. As far as I can see is that people just love to complain and that Anet can do nothing good except when it’s exactly what they had in mind. Yes, sadly we are that spoiled. There is grind in GW 2 but not required to do to get something. If you just play the game for fun you can get everything. It might take a little longer but you can get it. Prizes will drop and you can buy it from the TP or be lucky enough to get it while playing. What I am saying is, doing be a spoiled brat that only had to pay 50 €/$ or so to play a game that gets a lot of new updates for FREE! Lots of other games cost as much and you are done with it after 25 hours… There are going to be changes you like and don’t like. And yes share your opinion about it but please with less drama.

Yes. I am spoiled. ENTERTAIN ME. That’s what I paid for. That’s what will keep me buying gems in the gem store. Do a kitten jig, sing a song, make flashy graphics.

Why would anyone except anything less from a hobby?

Exactly. Just a quick friendly reminder to people who come from facebook moneygrabbers or asian grinders, a game is an entertainment product. How on earth can someone who wants an entertainment product to be fun be called spoiled anyway? Want me to play longer? Want me to pay? Give me game, not this kitten.

Amen.

I do not understand why we cannot acquire Ascended gear through the same methods as the lower tiers.

The game launched with the ability to acquire armor/weapons via crafting, karma, wvw badges, dungeon tokens and drops. Each supported different playstyles and tied to various aspects of the game. You could find your favorite feature and use it to acquire your gear.

Why does Arenanet have to use different methods for Ascended gear? It is almost like they are sending a message that the launch approaches were wrong.

It is the lack of consistency that really bugs me. The game has a gear delivery system that many of us liked since launch because it represented freedom and choice. But now Arenanet refuses to use that for the newest gear tier.

dalendria.3762:

It is the lack of consistency that really bugs me. The game has a gear delivery system that many of us liked since launch because it represented freedom and choice. But now Arenanet refuses to use that for the newest gear tier.

Yeah, since ascended was first announced all this kitten came with it: laurels, dailies, useless karma… now timegated crafting. Not they’re not only forcing you to play the way they want you to AGAIN but they are making the whole way of acquiring ascended inconsistent and my bet it’s gonna be pretty arbitrary and convoluted in the near future, if not already for some people.

Amun Ra.6435:

Anet has had zero idea on which direction it wants to go this past year.

I wouldn’t go that far, but I will say I’ve had the impression they’re flailing about, trying desperately to be too many things to too many people. And I’ve got to say, the result has been…underwhelming.

I honestly don’t think it’s grindy at all. My concerns are less about the amount of time required and more about the way to get these new materials.

First of all, you can’t start crfating the needed materials until 450. Those first 50 points must be leveled through t6 refinement, exotic crafting and other things that some people had already done for months.
Now we need to craft exotics we have no use for besides TPing (absolutely devaluated cause a massive offer, as expected) or salvaging them.
If a new tier of crafting is introduced, it should start at the previous cap.
It would have been OK to need 400 in order to craft these new ascended mats and it would have been even better having that cap upgraded to 450 months ago if something like this was expected. What we have now doesn’t make any sense.

Then we have the new materials themselves.
Bloodstone dust is easy. Many activities in the game grant champion bags and the amount of dust on each one seems pretty high. I hardly see this as a bottleneck for anyone. I could say the same for the one bought with skill points.
Then we get Empyreal Fragments. Those are gotten through jumping puzzles, dungeons, mini-dungeons, WvW camps and towers … WTH!? This sounds like just everywhere. Have I miss something about this game where we could get Dragonite Ore? I mean, I don’t think ANet is going to link this kind of reward to minigames or SPvP (even if I really would like it :P).
Yes, I missed something: Zerg events. After a month with pavilion and invasion zergs, we get a material that is obtained from World Bosses, Orr Temples, Invasions and the biggest structures of WvW. Zergy by definition.

And we are still going to need some other things like T2-T4 mineral and wood (ty ANet, thats EXACTLY the kind of low level content replayability I was looking for) and globs of dark matter that are obtained by salvaging exotics which everybody knows we are not going to get by random drop.

An all the process is, drum plays, TIME GATED !!

SERIOUSLY?
Is this the best you can think ANet? I can’t belive it, I honestly can’t believe it.

There’s nothing challenging on this Ascended Weapons. It’s not even a big grind since time gating limits how fast you can get them.
It’s just a bunch of brainless tasks to accomplish and I can expect A LOT of people to absolutely dislike at least one of them, be it crafting, jumping, running dungeons, playing WvW or whatever. It’s just ANNOYING, plain and simple.

I understand that linking ascended gear only to things like high level fractals or a new Hard Mode for dungeons would be even more unpopular but, honestly, can not be a chance to actually earn the best gear in the game without spending hours on completely brainless and unchallenging content?
Is it not stupid enough to have to deliver the earnings of countless hours to some random lucky guy if we happen to want a Legendary?

We got nothing from Aetherblade Hideout achievements, we got nothing from Light Up the Darkness and I expect to be exactly the same with SAB Tribulation Mode.
Every piece of released content that offers a bit of challenge is left with only our own satisfaction as reward while the most brainless tasks get all the loot.
At this point of the game I don’t expect anything great to be provided by the content I like but, honestly, some kind of workaround for the ascended gear, even if it still remains somehow time-gated, would be really appreciated.