Guild Wars 2

TheDaiBish.9735:

darkace.8925:

Red Falcon.8257:

Seriously guys they’ve been saying there would be a gear treadmill since October 2012.
If you wanted to quit over gear treamills policy you shouldn’t be here to begin with.

They said, explicitly, the only grinding in this game would be for cosmetic items.

“Here’s what we believe: If someone wants to play for a thousand hours to get an item that is so rare that other players can’t realistically acquire it, that rare item should be differentiated by its visual appearance and rarity alone, not by being more powerful than everything else in the game. Otherwise, your MMO becomes all about grinding to get the best gear. We don’t make grindy games — we leave the grind to other MMOs.”

- Mike O’Brien, President of Arenanet

Does the addition of ascended weapons fall in line with what was said by Mike O’Brien?

You can quote that all you like, but they said that Ascended gear would be introduced more recently than that quote:

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/linsey-murdock-unveils-new-high-end-ascended-gear/

Since we knew these were going to be coming out, why stick around if you didn’t agree with it?

Maybe because people still hoped they strived to create what they set out to create and were saying for 5 years instead another gear grind treadmill?

TheDaiBish.9735:

darkace.8925:

Red Falcon.8257:

Seriously guys they’ve been saying there would be a gear treadmill since October 2012.
If you wanted to quit over gear treamills policy you shouldn’t be here to begin with.

They said, explicitly, the only grinding in this game would be for cosmetic items.

“Here’s what we believe: If someone wants to play for a thousand hours to get an item that is so rare that other players can’t realistically acquire it, that rare item should be differentiated by its visual appearance and rarity alone, not by being more powerful than everything else in the game. Otherwise, your MMO becomes all about grinding to get the best gear. We don’t make grindy games — we leave the grind to other MMOs.”

- Mike O’Brien, President of Arenanet

Does the addition of ascended weapons fall in line with what was said by Mike O’Brien?

You can quote that all you like, but they said that Ascended gear would be introduced more recently than that quote:

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/linsey-murdock-unveils-new-high-end-ascended-gear/

Since we knew these were going to be coming out, why stick around if you didn’t agree with it?

Its the amount and type of grind required. Should have left 4 days ago if you had read Dulfy’s preview

Galen Grey.4709:

Hrithmus.2583:

353 replies and 7373 Views on this post and not one Dev Reply yet. Man they must be scared?

Because they know its pointless. Whatever they would say themselves has been said many times over by regular players. Did any of that chance a single opinion of either side?

A post by the devs would be counter productive. All it would do is cause more rage in the end.

Yes, everyone knows that they dont have anything to say that would calm it down, and they certainly cant say the truth so they just ignore it and hope it goes away

People, Gw2 isnt your regular MMO. We’ve know this for ages. Gw2 is clearly a themepark but that was in a way designed a bit like a sandbox. It is not a game that is designed around any one kind of play style like all other MMOs. It is a themepark that unlike other themepark gives players options and i think that right there is whats causing a lot of the strife.

This game does not lead you by the nose and tell you this is how you have to do things. It just doesnt do that at all. It gives you a bunch of options and its up to you to make the best of it.

What I am trying to say is Dont expect the game to be shaped to your play style. Its up to you to do that Shaping. Thats the Key!

We are so used to doing stuff a certain way that I think people sometimes dont even consider there might be a different way. Like speed to complete content. I’ve been keeping an eye on FFXIV. That game has some really good quest writing. Yet on the streams you see everyone skipping quests and farming FATEs instead just cause it will level you faster. etc.. Why? Its like people have a gun to their hand and are being threatened to finish everything really quickly.

Back on subject, ascended crafting. Whats killing it for most of you in my opinion isnt the requirements. I mean come on 17 champions? We regularly kill 60 champions for monthlies even before they had any good rewards. Most of this stuff can be gotten playing any content you choose. The regular mats can be bought so basically anything that drops money is viable content.. The new stuff is scattered so wide its nearly impossible not to enjoy one of the methods you can use for acquisition.I am convinced the issue isnt the requirements. Its because people look at them as a giant stream of things to do one after the other but really You dont have to do them one after the other. Not by far! why? because the game made sure the weapon is optional. While you’re still working on building it you’re not being cut out of anything. You’re not at any disadvantage.

Thing is in another MMO there might be a valid reason to rush…. Without some BiS you might not be able to join your guild in certain raids, you might not be good enough at your role and cause the raid to fail and stuff like that. GW2 made sure that isnt an issue here. Thats not say there is no use for an ascended weapon… that extra DPS well get the dungeon done quicker… What I am saying is you here people say that they have to get BiS because else they’re being hindering their team, or being a weight stuff like that… No thats not true, without BiS in gw2 you’re not hindering anyone. No dungeon is going to be lost because anyone or all in team dont have BiS. You’d be a bigger advantage to your team with an Ascended weapon but never a hinderance and this is key. And I want to say that again and high light the difference.

In Raid X in MMO Y if I dont have the gear up to par for that dungeon I might not be an effective, tank, healer or DPS…. that means My team needs a bigger effort to either get things done fast enough before my healing / tanking fails or the healer will need to use more pots or work double time to keeping the tank up longer because my dps is too weak. Thats me being a hinderance to my team. In gw2 there isnt that issue. Not only because there are no roles but simply because exotic or even rares are enough to do a really good job. If you show up without your ascended weapon you’ll be hindering no one.

Gw2 is different never forget that.

With that in mind dont let time dictate how you play. If you’re killing champions and got the stuff you need for your ascended weapon but are enjoying yourself dont force yourself to switch to dungeons just because you need that next. If you’re running out of materials dont buy them overpriced just because it will save you time then gathering yourself… there is just no urgency to it.

How you play the game can change everything.

Gw2 gives you options, its up to you to take them. Thats it really.

MikaHR.1978:

Galen Grey.4709:

Hrithmus.2583:

353 replies and 7373 Views on this post and not one Dev Reply yet. Man they must be scared?

Because they know its pointless. Whatever they would say themselves has been said many times over by regular players. Did any of that chance a single opinion of either side?

A post by the devs would be counter productive. All it would do is cause more rage in the end.

Yes, everyone knows that they dont have anything to say that would calm it down, and they certainly cant say the truth so they just ignore it and hope it goes away

They have said the truth. The truth is that exotics didn’t take long enough to get. Do you know how many people hit level cap in this game and left because there was nothing for them to do? The forums were full of such posts.

It’s not like 3 guys in a room made all of them.

TheDaiBish.9735:

darkace.8925:

Red Falcon.8257:

Seriously guys they’ve been saying there would be a gear treadmill since October 2012.
If you wanted to quit over gear treamills policy you shouldn’t be here to begin with.

They said, explicitly, the only grinding in this game would be for cosmetic items.

“Here’s what we believe: If someone wants to play for a thousand hours to get an item that is so rare that other players can’t realistically acquire it, that rare item should be differentiated by its visual appearance and rarity alone, not by being more powerful than everything else in the game. Otherwise, your MMO becomes all about grinding to get the best gear. We don’t make grindy games — we leave the grind to other MMOs.”

- Mike O’Brien, President of Arenanet

Does the addition of ascended weapons fall in line with what was said by Mike O’Brien?

You can quote that all you like, but they said that Ascended gear would be introduced more recently than that quote:

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/linsey-murdock-unveils-new-high-end-ascended-gear/

Since we knew these were going to be coming out, why stick around if you didn’t agree with it?

You can say it all day along, it still doesnt make Ascended any less pointless than it is.

Vayne.8563:

MikaHR.1978:

Galen Grey.4709:

Hrithmus.2583:

353 replies and 7373 Views on this post and not one Dev Reply yet. Man they must be scared?

Because they know its pointless. Whatever they would say themselves has been said many times over by regular players. Did any of that chance a single opinion of either side?

A post by the devs would be counter productive. All it would do is cause more rage in the end.

Yes, everyone knows that they dont have anything to say that would calm it down, and they certainly cant say the truth so they just ignore it and hope it goes away

They have said the truth. The truth is that exotics didn’t take long enough to get. Do you know how many people hit level cap in this game and left because there was nothing for them to do? The forums were full of such posts.

It’s not like 3 guys in a room made all of them.

Really, few whiners whining on a forum made them introduce gear grind treadmill to GW2?

You know theres no Santa, right?

MikaHR.1978:

Galen Grey.4709:

Hrithmus.2583:

353 replies and 7373 Views on this post and not one Dev Reply yet. Man they must be scared?

Because they know its pointless. Whatever they would say themselves has been said many times over by regular players. Did any of that chance a single opinion of either side?

A post by the devs would be counter productive. All it would do is cause more rage in the end.

Yes, everyone knows that they dont have anything to say that would calm it down, and they certainly cant say the truth so they just ignore it and hope it goes away

what truth would that be?

MikaHR.1978:

Vayne.8563:

MikaHR.1978:

Galen Grey.4709:

Hrithmus.2583:

353 replies and 7373 Views on this post and not one Dev Reply yet. Man they must be scared?

Because they know its pointless. Whatever they would say themselves has been said many times over by regular players. Did any of that chance a single opinion of either side?

A post by the devs would be counter productive. All it would do is cause more rage in the end.

Yes, everyone knows that they dont have anything to say that would calm it down, and they certainly cant say the truth so they just ignore it and hope it goes away

They have said the truth. The truth is that exotics didn’t take long enough to get. Do you know how many people hit level cap in this game and left because there was nothing for them to do? The forums were full of such posts.

It’s not like 3 guys in a room made all of them.

Really, few whiners whining on a forum made them introduce gear grind treadmill to GW2?

You know theres no Santa, right?

Then why?

If everyone hated them, why would they do it? what possible advantage could you get by introducing something your entire player base hates?

MikaHR.1978:

Vayne.8563:

MikaHR.1978:

Galen Grey.4709:

Hrithmus.2583:

353 replies and 7373 Views on this post and not one Dev Reply yet. Man they must be scared?

Because they know its pointless. Whatever they would say themselves has been said many times over by regular players. Did any of that chance a single opinion of either side?

A post by the devs would be counter productive. All it would do is cause more rage in the end.

Yes, everyone knows that they dont have anything to say that would calm it down, and they certainly cant say the truth so they just ignore it and hope it goes away

They have said the truth. The truth is that exotics didn’t take long enough to get. Do you know how many people hit level cap in this game and left because there was nothing for them to do? The forums were full of such posts.

It’s not like 3 guys in a room made all of them.

Really, few whiners whining on a forum made them introduce gear grind treadmill to GW2?

You know theres no Santa, right?

And you know this how? Tell me? Were you present at the meetings Anet had about it? Do you know for a fact that they based their decision on a few whiners? Do you know anything about what happened back then at all?

Because all you’re really doing is making general assumptions with nothing to back them up and stating them as fact.

The only fact here is that you don’t actually know why Anet introduced ascended gear at all or in this form, and that you’re claiming it was a few posts on the forums.

We do know from things Anet has said in the past they have tremendous ability to see and intepret what and how people are playing. I’m relatively certain it wasn’t just a few posts on a forum that caused Anet’s reaction. Feel free to try to prove me wrong.

Peets.8529:

MikaHR.1978:

Peets.8529:

MikaHR.1978:

Peets.8529:

haviz.1340:

VOLKON.1290:

I NEED HELP!

OK, now that I have your attention, can someone please show me where the required grind is in this game in order to be able to proceed to the next tier of content? I seem to be having trouble finding it. I tried going into WvW without ascended gear and was able to… is there an ascended only WvW? I visited and helped beat Jormag, assorted invasions, dungeons, jumping puzzles, etc. and haven’t been able to find the gated content beyond those that require ascended gear… can someone point that out to me? Because until I find it I’m having a difficult time accepting that this type of optional grind is anyways close to violating the “not a grindy game” concept ANet originally spoke of. Yes, I see optional grindy things for those that want the longer term goals, but the required stuff… I can’t seem to find it. Help me out people!

Fractals of the Mists.

Only when you go lvl 10 or higher.
So it is not required.
Try again

It is required. For lvl10 or higher.

Your logic…

Going lvl 10 or higher is optional, not required.
And you don’t have to use the weapons they added to finish it.

Uh oh, you should probably go back to read what you responded to.

raiding in WoW is optinal, noone says you have to raid. Is there any point in all of this?

WoW is another game. We are talking about GW 2.
Did you read to what I responded? We are still searching for some content that is required to have ascended that you have to grind for. You can play Fractal of The Mists fine without ascended if you pick lvl 1 – 9. And if you do want higher, you don’t need to grind for it.
The point is, people complain first then look/think.

It pretty obvious what is the content that is required to have ascended you have to grind for. A 12 % stat difference in WvWvW is very much, and if you can play even without ascendent, it is undeniable that there is a drawback.

This system is identical to the one used on WoW (you can play even without pvp gear, but you suck) and the grind is clearly present in WoW, so if Guild Wars 2 has adopted the same system of WoW you can’t say there is not grind in the game. The only difference is that on WoW you have to grind pvp content to be competitive in pvp, in Gw2 you have to grind pve content to be competitive in WvWvW (which is pretty absurd).

So yeah, in Gw2 there’s a content that is required to have ascended that you have to grind for (unless you want to play a handicap match).

Vayne.8563:

MikaHR.1978:

Galen Grey.4709:

Hrithmus.2583:

353 replies and 7373 Views on this post and not one Dev Reply yet. Man they must be scared?

Because they know its pointless. Whatever they would say themselves has been said many times over by regular players. Did any of that chance a single opinion of either side?

A post by the devs would be counter productive. All it would do is cause more rage in the end.

Yes, everyone knows that they dont have anything to say that would calm it down, and they certainly cant say the truth so they just ignore it and hope it goes away

They have said the truth. The truth is that exotics didn’t take long enough to get. Do you know how many people hit level cap in this game and left because there was nothing for them to do? The forums were full of such posts.

It’s not like 3 guys in a room made all of them.

You think farming and grind will convince people to stay or entice these people back? They may not have wanted vertical progression but more content instead.

Edeor.9720:

Peets.8529:

MikaHR.1978:

Peets.8529:

MikaHR.1978:

Peets.8529:

haviz.1340:

VOLKON.1290:

I NEED HELP!

OK, now that I have your attention, can someone please show me where the required grind is in this game in order to be able to proceed to the next tier of content? I seem to be having trouble finding it. I tried going into WvW without ascended gear and was able to… is there an ascended only WvW? I visited and helped beat Jormag, assorted invasions, dungeons, jumping puzzles, etc. and haven’t been able to find the gated content beyond those that require ascended gear… can someone point that out to me? Because until I find it I’m having a difficult time accepting that this type of optional grind is anyways close to violating the “not a grindy game” concept ANet originally spoke of. Yes, I see optional grindy things for those that want the longer term goals, but the required stuff… I can’t seem to find it. Help me out people!

Fractals of the Mists.

Only when you go lvl 10 or higher.
So it is not required.
Try again

It is required. For lvl10 or higher.

Your logic…

Going lvl 10 or higher is optional, not required.
And you don’t have to use the weapons they added to finish it.

Uh oh, you should probably go back to read what you responded to.

raiding in WoW is optinal, noone says you have to raid. Is there any point in all of this?

WoW is another game. We are talking about GW 2.
Did you read to what I responded? We are still searching for some content that is required to have ascended that you have to grind for. You can play Fractal of The Mists fine without ascended if you pick lvl 1 – 9. And if you do want higher, you don’t need to grind for it.
The point is, people complain first then look/think.

It pretty obvious what is the content that is required to have ascended you have to grind for. A 12 % stat difference in WvWvW is very much, and if you can play even without ascendent, it is undeniable that there is a drawback.

This system is identical to the one used on WoW (you can play even without pvp gear, but you suck) and the grind is clearly present in WoW, so if Guild Wars 2 has adopted the same system of WoW you can’t say there is not grind in the game. The only difference is that on WoW you have to grind pvp content to be competitive in pvp, in Gw2 you have to grind pve content to be competitive in WvWvW (which is pretty absurd).

So yeah, in Gw2 there’s a content that is required to have ascended that you have to grind for (unless you want to play a handicap match).

Inb4 the ‘you do just fine in rares’ or ‘wvw was never balanced’ nonsense.

Galen Grey.4709:

MikaHR.1978:

Vayne.8563:

MikaHR.1978:

Galen Grey.4709:

Hrithmus.2583:

353 replies and 7373 Views on this post and not one Dev Reply yet. Man they must be scared?

Because they know its pointless. Whatever they would say themselves has been said many times over by regular players. Did any of that chance a single opinion of either side?

A post by the devs would be counter productive. All it would do is cause more rage in the end.

Yes, everyone knows that they dont have anything to say that would calm it down, and they certainly cant say the truth so they just ignore it and hope it goes away

They have said the truth. The truth is that exotics didn’t take long enough to get. Do you know how many people hit level cap in this game and left because there was nothing for them to do? The forums were full of such posts.

It’s not like 3 guys in a room made all of them.

Really, few whiners whining on a forum made them introduce gear grind treadmill to GW2?

You know theres no Santa, right?

Then why?

If everyone hated them, why would they do it? what possible advantage could you get by introducing something your entire player base hates?

Same reason a lot of companies before them did it. Dont really feel to explain it…AGAIN lol

byjiang.1260:

Edeor.9720:

Peets.8529:

MikaHR.1978:

Peets.8529:

MikaHR.1978:

Peets.8529:

haviz.1340:

VOLKON.1290:

I NEED HELP!

OK, now that I have your attention, can someone please show me where the required grind is in this game in order to be able to proceed to the next tier of content? I seem to be having trouble finding it. I tried going into WvW without ascended gear and was able to… is there an ascended only WvW? I visited and helped beat Jormag, assorted invasions, dungeons, jumping puzzles, etc. and haven’t been able to find the gated content beyond those that require ascended gear… can someone point that out to me? Because until I find it I’m having a difficult time accepting that this type of optional grind is anyways close to violating the “not a grindy game” concept ANet originally spoke of. Yes, I see optional grindy things for those that want the longer term goals, but the required stuff… I can’t seem to find it. Help me out people!

Fractals of the Mists.

Only when you go lvl 10 or higher.
So it is not required.
Try again

It is required. For lvl10 or higher.

Your logic…

Going lvl 10 or higher is optional, not required.
And you don’t have to use the weapons they added to finish it.

Uh oh, you should probably go back to read what you responded to.

raiding in WoW is optinal, noone says you have to raid. Is there any point in all of this?

WoW is another game. We are talking about GW 2.
Did you read to what I responded? We are still searching for some content that is required to have ascended that you have to grind for. You can play Fractal of The Mists fine without ascended if you pick lvl 1 – 9. And if you do want higher, you don’t need to grind for it.
The point is, people complain first then look/think.

It pretty obvious what is the content that is required to have ascended you have to grind for. A 12 % stat difference in WvWvW is very much, and if you can play even without ascendent, it is undeniable that there is a drawback.

This system is identical to the one used on WoW (you can play even without pvp gear, but you suck) and the grind is clearly present in WoW, so if Guild Wars 2 has adopted the same system of WoW you can’t say there is not grind in the game. The only difference is that on WoW you have to grind pvp content to be competitive in pvp, in Gw2 you have to grind pve content to be competitive in WvWvW (which is pretty absurd).

So yeah, in Gw2 there’s a content that is required to have ascended that you have to grind for (unless you want to play a handicap match).

Inb4 the ‘you do just fine in rares’ or ‘wvw was never balanced’ nonsense.

Its not that bad for these people to claim this, in the end people in www need as many lootbags as they can get, especially now when gear grind treadmill is shoved down their throats

Khal Drogo.9631:

Its the amount and type of grind required. Should have left 4 days ago if you had read Dulfy’s preview

Are you saying you should have left, or I should have?

I enjoy the game. I don’t feel any particular need to get Ascended (I have no Ascended gear). When I do want to chase that particular thing, I’ll be getting the items I need through the content I do anyway.

As for the ‘type’ of grind, what do you mean by that?

MikaHR.1978:

TheDaiBish.9735:

You can quote that all you like, but they said that Ascended gear would be introduced more recently than that quote:

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/linsey-murdock-unveils-new-high-end-ascended-gear/

Since we knew these were going to be coming out, why stick around if you didn’t agree with it?

You can say it all day along, it still doesnt make Ascended any less pointless than it is.

What you said has nothing to do with what I said. Unless I’m missing something.

Khal Drogo.9631:

Vayne.8563:

MikaHR.1978:

Galen Grey.4709:

Hrithmus.2583:

353 replies and 7373 Views on this post and not one Dev Reply yet. Man they must be scared?

Because they know its pointless. Whatever they would say themselves has been said many times over by regular players. Did any of that chance a single opinion of either side?

A post by the devs would be counter productive. All it would do is cause more rage in the end.

Yes, everyone knows that they dont have anything to say that would calm it down, and they certainly cant say the truth so they just ignore it and hope it goes away

They have said the truth. The truth is that exotics didn’t take long enough to get. Do you know how many people hit level cap in this game and left because there was nothing for them to do? The forums were full of such posts.

It’s not like 3 guys in a room made all of them.

You think farming and grind will convince people to stay or entice these people back? They may not have wanted vertical progression but more content instead.

No. And if you think that’s what I’ve been saying, you’re missed my point completely.

The people who left, for the most part, aren’t coming back. But if Anet didn’t put some sort of grind mechanism in the game, more people would leave than the people who left, that’s what I’m guessing. And I think Anet guessed the same way.

My son got his legendary weapon and stopped playing Guild Wars 2. Ascended weapons came out, he’s back in game working on getting an ascended weapon. He likes the game, but he felt he’d done everything. Now he feels he has something to do.

I don’t understand this at all personally. I’m completely the opposite. But I acknowledge, I’m not the typical gamer.

The people who left, they’re gone. We’ll only see a small percentage of them return. For better or worse, Anet is commited to the direction it chose. But at this point the game seems to be gaining regular players, not losing them.

Edeor.9720:

Peets.8529:

MikaHR.1978:

Peets.8529:

MikaHR.1978:

Peets.8529:

haviz.1340:

VOLKON.1290:

I NEED HELP!

OK, now that I have your attention, can someone please show me where the required grind is in this game in order to be able to proceed to the next tier of content? I seem to be having trouble finding it. I tried going into WvW without ascended gear and was able to… is there an ascended only WvW? I visited and helped beat Jormag, assorted invasions, dungeons, jumping puzzles, etc. and haven’t been able to find the gated content beyond those that require ascended gear… can someone point that out to me? Because until I find it I’m having a difficult time accepting that this type of optional grind is anyways close to violating the “not a grindy game” concept ANet originally spoke of. Yes, I see optional grindy things for those that want the longer term goals, but the required stuff… I can’t seem to find it. Help me out people!

Fractals of the Mists.

Only when you go lvl 10 or higher.
So it is not required.
Try again

It is required. For lvl10 or higher.

Your logic…

Going lvl 10 or higher is optional, not required.
And you don’t have to use the weapons they added to finish it.

Uh oh, you should probably go back to read what you responded to.

raiding in WoW is optinal, noone says you have to raid. Is there any point in all of this?

WoW is another game. We are talking about GW 2.
Did you read to what I responded? We are still searching for some content that is required to have ascended that you have to grind for. You can play Fractal of The Mists fine without ascended if you pick lvl 1 – 9. And if you do want higher, you don’t need to grind for it.
The point is, people complain first then look/think.

It pretty obvious what is the content that is required to have ascended you have to grind for. A 12 % stat difference in WvWvW is very much, and if you can play even without ascendent, it is undeniable that there is a drawback.

This system is identical to the one used on WoW (you can play even without pvp gear, but you suck) and the grind is clearly present in WoW, so if Guild Wars 2 has adopted the same system of WoW you can’t say there is not grind in the game. The only difference is that on WoW you have to grind pvp content to be competitive in pvp, in Gw2 you have to grind pve content to be competitive in WvWvW (which is pretty absurd).

So yeah, in Gw2 there’s a content that is required to have ascended that you have to grind for (unless you want to play a handicap match).

For starters its not a 12% difference because gear is not the only source of stats you get. Gear and Level share equal stats so without any consumables what so ever its actually 6% difference With consumables it will be 4 or maybe 5%

But if 6% stats difference is too much then you got much bigger problems then ascended armor.

Arrow Cart regular attack does 9k damage. Thats more then 6% extra damage then the most damaging skill in the game any player has. Ohh and while player skills effect only 5 people max. Arrow cart affects 50 so its advantage is not 6% in that regard but 1000%

but hey thats not all… It can be upgraded too… Superior arrow cart… 13k damage!

Of course that all pales when you get uneven groups fighting which is like always…

you might be 106% as effective as someone with an exotic set but if there is 2 of them an 1 of you they’re still get 188% advantage stats wise. Never mind that sometimes your team retreats and you find yourself alone against a massive zerg.

WvW is a game mode where you get unbalances all the time, Some of them pretty massive and that 6% is whats bothering you really?

Vayne.8563:

MikaHR.1978:

Galen Grey.4709:

Hrithmus.2583:

353 replies and 7373 Views on this post and not one Dev Reply yet. Man they must be scared?

Because they know its pointless. Whatever they would say themselves has been said many times over by regular players. Did any of that chance a single opinion of either side?

A post by the devs would be counter productive. All it would do is cause more rage in the end.

Yes, everyone knows that they dont have anything to say that would calm it down, and they certainly cant say the truth so they just ignore it and hope it goes away

They have said the truth. The truth is that exotics didn’t take long enough to get. Do you know how many people hit level cap in this game and left because there was nothing for them to do? The forums were full of such posts.

It’s not like 3 guys in a room made all of them.

The problem is, many folks thought that getting the highest tier gear (exotics, at the time) was the point. That the game was about playing builds, and not about having to get some gear. I even thought Exotics were kind of unnecessary, but they weren’t that hard to get so whatever.

So when Ascended was announced…well, you saw what happened. People (reasonably so, imho) felt that they’d been deceived about the nature of the game.

It doesn’t matter if they lied or not. It looked like it. And once you get a reputation for that, it’s near impossible to completely come back from it, because people don’t trust you. And this is something anyone could have seen coming – and I’m astounded that either they didn’t, or expected a different response.

Really, really bad move from ArenaNet’s perspective. All this negativity should have come as no surprise whatsoever. The company did it to itself.

MikaHR.1978:

Galen Grey.4709:

MikaHR.1978:

Vayne.8563:

MikaHR.1978:

Galen Grey.4709:

Hrithmus.2583:

353 replies and 7373 Views on this post and not one Dev Reply yet. Man they must be scared?

Because they know its pointless. Whatever they would say themselves has been said many times over by regular players. Did any of that chance a single opinion of either side?

A post by the devs would be counter productive. All it would do is cause more rage in the end.

Yes, everyone knows that they dont have anything to say that would calm it down, and they certainly cant say the truth so they just ignore it and hope it goes away

They have said the truth. The truth is that exotics didn’t take long enough to get. Do you know how many people hit level cap in this game and left because there was nothing for them to do? The forums were full of such posts.

It’s not like 3 guys in a room made all of them.

Really, few whiners whining on a forum made them introduce gear grind treadmill to GW2?

You know theres no Santa, right?

Then why?

If everyone hated them, why would they do it? what possible advantage could you get by introducing something your entire player base hates?

Same reason a lot of companies before them did it. Dont really feel to explain it…AGAIN lol

Well I completely disagree… though I have no idea what you’re talking about… you could have at least said what it was without explain… this doesnt really get us far you know.

Vayne.8563:

Khal Drogo.9631:

Vayne.8563:

MikaHR.1978:

Galen Grey.4709:

Hrithmus.2583:

353 replies and 7373 Views on this post and not one Dev Reply yet. Man they must be scared?

Because they know its pointless. Whatever they would say themselves has been said many times over by regular players. Did any of that chance a single opinion of either side?

A post by the devs would be counter productive. All it would do is cause more rage in the end.

Yes, everyone knows that they dont have anything to say that would calm it down, and they certainly cant say the truth so they just ignore it and hope it goes away

They have said the truth. The truth is that exotics didn’t take long enough to get. Do you know how many people hit level cap in this game and left because there was nothing for them to do? The forums were full of such posts.

It’s not like 3 guys in a room made all of them.

You think farming and grind will convince people to stay or entice these people back? They may not have wanted vertical progression but more content instead.

No. And if you think that’s what I’ve been saying, you’re missed my point completely.

The people who left, for the most part, aren’t coming back. But if Anet didn’t put some sort of grind mechanism in the game, more people would leave than the people who left, that’s what I’m guessing. And I think Anet guessed the same way.

My son got his legendary weapon and stopped playing Guild Wars 2. Ascended weapons came out, he’s back in game working on getting an ascended weapon. He likes the game, but he felt he’d done everything. Now he feels he has something to do.

I don’t understand this at all personally. I’m completely the opposite. But I acknowledge, I’m not the typical gamer.

The people who left, they’re gone. We’ll only see a small percentage of them return. For better or worse, Anet is commited to the direction it chose. But at this point the game seems to be gaining regular players, not losing them.

And your son will be gone again when he crafts his ascended weapon as clearly GW2 is not the game for him. At the same time i (and some others that have already played 1000+ hours) stopped playing the game because of something that will give your son 2 week gear grind fix, so…yes, i quite see you dont understand it.

WTB lag fix for GW1

Chuo.4238:

Vayne.8563:

MikaHR.1978:

Galen Grey.4709:

Hrithmus.2583:

353 replies and 7373 Views on this post and not one Dev Reply yet. Man they must be scared?

Because they know its pointless. Whatever they would say themselves has been said many times over by regular players. Did any of that chance a single opinion of either side?

A post by the devs would be counter productive. All it would do is cause more rage in the end.

Yes, everyone knows that they dont have anything to say that would calm it down, and they certainly cant say the truth so they just ignore it and hope it goes away

They have said the truth. The truth is that exotics didn’t take long enough to get. Do you know how many people hit level cap in this game and left because there was nothing for them to do? The forums were full of such posts.

It’s not like 3 guys in a room made all of them.

The problem is, many folks thought that getting the highest tier gear (exotics, at the time) was the point. That the game was about playing builds, and not about having to get some gear. I even thought Exotics were kind of unnecessary, but they weren’t that hard to get so whatever.

So when Ascended was announced…well, you saw what happened. People (reasonably so, imho) felt that they’d been deceived about the nature of the game.

It doesn’t matter if they lied or not. It looked like it. And once you get a reputation for that, it’s near impossible to completely come back from it, because people don’t trust you. And this is something anyone could have seen coming – and I’m astounded that either they didn’t, or expected a different response.

Really, really bad move from ArenaNet’s perspective. All this negativity should have come as no surprise whatsoever. The company did it to itself.

It doesnt matter if they where lied to or not? Of course it matters! what does if not? like some people felt lied too others felt they were finally heard. Which group matters if the truth doesnt?

Chuo.4238:

Vayne.8563:

MikaHR.1978:

Galen Grey.4709:

Hrithmus.2583:

353 replies and 7373 Views on this post and not one Dev Reply yet. Man they must be scared?

Because they know its pointless. Whatever they would say themselves has been said many times over by regular players. Did any of that chance a single opinion of either side?

A post by the devs would be counter productive. All it would do is cause more rage in the end.

Yes, everyone knows that they dont have anything to say that would calm it down, and they certainly cant say the truth so they just ignore it and hope it goes away

They have said the truth. The truth is that exotics didn’t take long enough to get. Do you know how many people hit level cap in this game and left because there was nothing for them to do? The forums were full of such posts.

It’s not like 3 guys in a room made all of them.

The problem is, many folks thought that getting the highest tier gear (exotics, at the time) was the point. That the game was about playing builds, and not about having to get some gear. I even thought Exotics were kind of unnecessary, but they weren’t that hard to get so whatever.

So when Ascended was announced…well, you saw what happened. People (reasonably so, imho) felt that they’d been deceived about the nature of the game.

It doesn’t matter if they lied or not. It looked like it. And once you get a reputation for that, it’s near impossible to completely come back from it, because people don’t trust you. And this is something anyone could have seen coming – and I’m astounded that either they didn’t, or expected a different response.

Really, really bad move from ArenaNet’s perspective. All this negativity should have come as no surprise whatsoever. The company did it to itself.

Well, the game is doing well. No one can say if it would be doing better if they hadn’t done it. So maybe it was stupid and maybe it was smart…but we’ll never know.

What we do know is that it’s done. It’s pretty much time to move on. Either except it or don’t. If you don’t, find another game.

As for it looking like they lied, I wonder how the people who loved the game would have felt after Anet laid off half their staff if they hadn’t made those changes. Sometimes going down the ship isn’t the best option.

We don’t know how it would have played out, but we do know it didn’t kill the game.

MikaHR.1978:

And your son will be gone again when he crafts his ascended weapon as clearly GW2 is not the game for him. At the same time i (and some others that have already played 1000+ hours) stopped playing the game because of something that will give your son 2 week gear grind fix, so…yes, i quite see you dont understand it.

Actually yes it does make sense.

If you’ve got a person who quits the moment something they dont like happens and you have another person who plays the moment you give him something he enjoys which customer would you want to keep?

Vayne.8563:

The people who left, they’re gone. We’ll only see a small percentage of them return. For better or worse, Anet is commited to the direction it chose. But at this point the game seems to be gaining regular players, not losing them.

When they released something of quality and artistic value like bazaar of the four winds I still came back, because I remember the original game as an artwork that I liked.

When they added Deodre’s jumping puzzle I was quite pleased and enjoyed it very much.

When they add this ascended BS and mind-numbing zergs and living no-stories, it severely reduces my fondness of the game and future possibilities of returning.

GW1 did perfectly well for years without VP. When something new came out (e.g. Beyond) I’d go back and play it. Guess it’s my own stupid fault to believe GW2 would be the spiritual successor to GW1.

Galen Grey.4709:

MikaHR.1978:

And your son will be gone again when he crafts his ascended weapon as clearly GW2 is not the game for him. At the same time i (and some others that have already played 1000+ hours) stopped playing the game because of something that will give your son 2 week gear grind fix, so…yes, i quite see you dont understand it.

Actually yes it does make sense.

If you’ve got a person who quits the moment something they dont like happens and you have another person who plays the moment you give him something he enjoys which customer would you want to keep?

Theres a lots of things i dont like about GW2. Your logic…..fails. To be mild.

byjiang.1260:

Vayne.8563:

The people who left, they’re gone. We’ll only see a small percentage of them return. For better or worse, Anet is commited to the direction it chose. But at this point the game seems to be gaining regular players, not losing them.

When they released something of quality and artistic value like bazaar of the four winds I still came back, because I remember the original game as an artwork that I liked.

When they added Deodre’s jumping puzzle I was quite pleased and enjoyed it very much.

When they add this ascended BS and mind-numbing zergs and living no-stories, it severely reduces my fondness of the game and future possibilities of returning.

GW1 did perfectly well for years without VP. When something new came out (e.g. Beyond) I’d go back and play it. Guess it’s my own stupid fault to believe GW2 would be the spiritual successor to GW1.

No, your fault wasnt believing that gw2 would be the spiritual successor of gw1, your mistake was believing spiritual means identical.

in gw1 gear didnt matter cause you got done with it very quickly and you never had any new gear that was any more powerful

in gw2 gear doesnt matter cause whatever tier you choose, including common is good enough to do any content you choose.

The spirit of both games, Gear is not important is there. Its just the way that spirit was implemented that is different.

Galen Grey.4709:

Edeor.9720:

Peets.8529:

MikaHR.1978:

Peets.8529:

MikaHR.1978:

Peets.8529:

haviz.1340:

VOLKON.1290:

I NEED HELP!

OK, now that I have your attention, can someone please show me where the required grind is in this game in order to be able to proceed to the next tier of content? I seem to be having trouble finding it. I tried going into WvW without ascended gear and was able to… is there an ascended only WvW? I visited and helped beat Jormag, assorted invasions, dungeons, jumping puzzles, etc. and haven’t been able to find the gated content beyond those that require ascended gear… can someone point that out to me? Because until I find it I’m having a difficult time accepting that this type of optional grind is anyways close to violating the “not a grindy game” concept ANet originally spoke of. Yes, I see optional grindy things for those that want the longer term goals, but the required stuff… I can’t seem to find it. Help me out people!

Fractals of the Mists.

Only when you go lvl 10 or higher.
So it is not required.
Try again

It is required. For lvl10 or higher.

Your logic…

Going lvl 10 or higher is optional, not required.
And you don’t have to use the weapons they added to finish it.

Uh oh, you should probably go back to read what you responded to.

raiding in WoW is optinal, noone says you have to raid. Is there any point in all of this?

WoW is another game. We are talking about GW 2.
Did you read to what I responded? We are still searching for some content that is required to have ascended that you have to grind for. You can play Fractal of The Mists fine without ascended if you pick lvl 1 – 9. And if you do want higher, you don’t need to grind for it.
The point is, people complain first then look/think.

It pretty obvious what is the content that is required to have ascended you have to grind for. A 12 % stat difference in WvWvW is very much, and if you can play even without ascendent, it is undeniable that there is a drawback.

This system is identical to the one used on WoW (you can play even without pvp gear, but you suck) and the grind is clearly present in WoW, so if Guild Wars 2 has adopted the same system of WoW you can’t say there is not grind in the game. The only difference is that on WoW you have to grind pvp content to be competitive in pvp, in Gw2 you have to grind pve content to be competitive in WvWvW (which is pretty absurd).

So yeah, in Gw2 there’s a content that is required to have ascended that you have to grind for (unless you want to play a handicap match).

For starters its not a 12% difference because gear is not the only source of stats you get. Gear and Level share equal stats so without any consumables what so ever its actually 6% difference With consumables it will be 4 or maybe 5%

But if 6% stats difference is too much then you got much bigger problems then ascended armor.

Arrow Cart regular attack does 9k damage. Thats more then 6% extra damage then the most damaging skill in the game any player has. Ohh and while player skills effect only 5 people max. Arrow cart affects 50 so its advantage is not 6% in that regard but 1000%

but hey thats not all… It can be upgraded too… Superior arrow cart… 13k damage!

Of course that all pales when you get uneven groups fighting which is like always…

you might be 106% as effective as someone with an exotic set but if there is 2 of them an 1 of you they’re still get 188% advantage stats wise. Never mind that sometimes your team retreats and you find yourself alone against a massive zerg.

WvW is a game mode where you get unbalances all the time, Some of them pretty massive and that 6% is whats bothering you really?

Yes it does bother me actually and I can see there is no point in explaining to you how and why it does. But as it clearly bothers you that it bothers me howabout we do a deal? I wont bother getting Ascended gear and you dont either. Or, as I am touched by the depth of your concern, if you really need to have a stat advantage over others, I will change my exo gear sets for rare ones and u stay in your exos then we can all get on with playing wvw and not grinding?

Galen Grey.4709:

No, your fault wasnt believing that gw2 would be the spiritual successor of gw1, your mistake was believing spiritual means identical.

in gw1 gear didnt matter cause you got done with it very quickly and you never had any new gear that was any more powerful

in gw2 gear doesnt matter cause whatever tier you choose, including common is good enough to do any content you choose.

The spirit of both games, Gear is not important is there. Its just the way that spirit was implemented that is different.

And your mistake here is to believe people would react the same to “getting the best stats is easy” and “getting good enough stats is easy”

That’s not the spirit of GW1, that’s a huge corruption of it’s spirit!

MikaHR.1978:

Galen Grey.4709:

MikaHR.1978:

And your son will be gone again when he crafts his ascended weapon as clearly GW2 is not the game for him. At the same time i (and some others that have already played 1000+ hours) stopped playing the game because of something that will give your son 2 week gear grind fix, so…yes, i quite see you dont understand it.

Actually yes it does make sense.

If you’ve got a person who quits the moment something they dont like happens and you have another person who plays the moment you give him something he enjoys which customer would you want to keep?

Theres a lots of things i dont like about GW2. Your logic…..fails. To be mild.

Even more reason why taking care of you as a customer at the expense of other customers would be a bad idea dont you think ?

But thats funny cause I would have swore that yesterday you said “I was quite happy for past year. Put 1000+ hours in the game.” Which in itself is also funny cause ascended gear wasnt introduced now but actually last year and you were perfectly happy then according to you.

Galen Grey.4709:

byjiang.1260:

Vayne.8563:

The people who left, they’re gone. We’ll only see a small percentage of them return. For better or worse, Anet is commited to the direction it chose. But at this point the game seems to be gaining regular players, not losing them.

When they released something of quality and artistic value like bazaar of the four winds I still came back, because I remember the original game as an artwork that I liked.

When they added Deodre’s jumping puzzle I was quite pleased and enjoyed it very much.

When they add this ascended BS and mind-numbing zergs and living no-stories, it severely reduces my fondness of the game and future possibilities of returning.

GW1 did perfectly well for years without VP. When something new came out (e.g. Beyond) I’d go back and play it. Guess it’s my own stupid fault to believe GW2 would be the spiritual successor to GW1.

No, your fault wasnt believing that gw2 would be the spiritual successor of gw1, your mistake was believing spiritual means identical.

in gw1 gear didnt matter cause you got done with it very quickly and you never had any new gear that was any more powerful

in gw2 gear doesnt matter cause whatever tier you choose, including common is good enough to do any content you choose.

The spirit of both games, Gear is not important is there. Its just the way that spirit was implemented that is different.

Feel free to interpret it the way you want.

Leave me to interpret the way I want.

And there are so many things I feel that goes against the spirit of GW1. AW is just the latest.

No. In GW2 gear matters. Because GW2 gear has STATS on it. Stupid unbalanced snowballing stats. When you are being one shot by a single player in wvw you will not think he is in common gear.
Edit: I prayed to gods we would not have extra 1% crit damage on ascended 1h weapons. So glad they answered.

stof.9341:

Galen Grey.4709:

No, your fault wasnt believing that gw2 would be the spiritual successor of gw1, your mistake was believing spiritual means identical.

in gw1 gear didnt matter cause you got done with it very quickly and you never had any new gear that was any more powerful

in gw2 gear doesnt matter cause whatever tier you choose, including common is good enough to do any content you choose.

The spirit of both games, Gear is not important is there. Its just the way that spirit was implemented that is different.

And your mistake here is to believe people would react the same to “getting the best stats is easy” and “getting good enough stats is easy”

That’s not the spirit of GW1, that’s a huge corruption of it’s spirit!

Yes I openly said I made that mistake before, I can find you the post if you want. Its actually far deeper then that. When I played Gw1 I though I’ve finally found a community who didnt care about power, they cared about skill. Turns out some of them actually care more about power then people playing WoW do. That really was a shock honestly!

Galen Grey.4709:

MikaHR.1978:

Galen Grey.4709:

MikaHR.1978:

And your son will be gone again when he crafts his ascended weapon as clearly GW2 is not the game for him. At the same time i (and some others that have already played 1000+ hours) stopped playing the game because of something that will give your son 2 week gear grind fix, so…yes, i quite see you dont understand it.

Actually yes it does make sense.

If you’ve got a person who quits the moment something they dont like happens and you have another person who plays the moment you give him something he enjoys which customer would you want to keep?

Theres a lots of things i dont like about GW2. Your logic…..fails. To be mild.

Even more reason why taking care of you as a customer at the expense of other customers would be a bad idea dont you think ?

But thats funny cause I would have swore that yesterday you said “I was quite happy for past year. Put 1000+ hours in the game.” Which in itself is also funny cause ascended gear wasnt introduced now but actually last year and you were perfectly happy then according to you.

I was quite happy for the past year. But i really think you dont know what youre talking about.

Im quite happy with my GF too, doesnt mean i like all about her rofl

Sorry if i have to draw everything out for you.

Galen Grey.4709:

stof.9341:

Galen Grey.4709:

No, your fault wasnt believing that gw2 would be the spiritual successor of gw1, your mistake was believing spiritual means identical.

in gw1 gear didnt matter cause you got done with it very quickly and you never had any new gear that was any more powerful

in gw2 gear doesnt matter cause whatever tier you choose, including common is good enough to do any content you choose.

The spirit of both games, Gear is not important is there. Its just the way that spirit was implemented that is different.

And your mistake here is to believe people would react the same to “getting the best stats is easy” and “getting good enough stats is easy”

That’s not the spirit of GW1, that’s a huge corruption of it’s spirit!

Yes I openly said I made that mistake before, I can find you the post if you want. Its actually far deeper then that. When I played Gw1 I though I’ve finally found a community who didnt care about power, they cared about skill. Turns out some of them actually care more about power then people playing WoW do. That really was a shock honestly!

That’s your mistake there. They didn’t care about power because everyone is on equal footing. Not because they really like to play at a disadvantage and be cool about it.

Lurch.9517:

Yes it does bother me actually and I can see there is no point in explaining to you how and why it does. But as it clearly bothers you that it bothers me howabout we do a deal? I wont bother getting Ascended gear and you dont either. Or, as I am touched by the depth of your concern, if you really need to have a stat advantage over others, I will change my exo gear sets for rare ones and u stay in your exos then we can all get on with playing wvw and not grinding?

Feel to have a stat advantage?… I can send you a screenshot of my character if you want. I got some 230 laurels, 23 guild commendations and not a single ascended piece on any of my characters even though I could fully gear my main with ascended gear today. But why would I do that? the game is too easy as is! They dont need to add ascended gear they need to remove anything about rare if anything … well even rare makes the game easy really.

I also tried WvW with no armor on and did good and I am not a pvper btw!

byjiang.1260:

Vayne.8563:

The people who left, they’re gone. We’ll only see a small percentage of them return. For better or worse, Anet is commited to the direction it chose. But at this point the game seems to be gaining regular players, not losing them.

When they released something of quality and artistic value like bazaar of the four winds I still came back, because I remember the original game as an artwork that I liked.

When they added Deodre’s jumping puzzle I was quite pleased and enjoyed it very much.

When they add this ascended BS and mind-numbing zergs and living no-stories, it severely reduces my fondness of the game and future possibilities of returning.

GW1 did perfectly well for years without VP. When something new came out (e.g. Beyond) I’d go back and play it. Guess it’s my own stupid fault to believe GW2 would be the spiritual successor to GW1.

No GW 1 didn’t do it perfectly for years without VP. I’ve said this before in other threads. There was tons of stuff to grind for. Tons. And that stuff was important. Leveling up your skills to have BIS PvE skills was a grind. And people played for that. It wasn’t gear, but it was grind and it did give power. And several of the meta builds were based around those skills.

Guild Wars 1 did it perfectly, except that it was never a household name, was never going to be a household name. They did it great for an extreme minority of people, because most people who played Guild Wars 1 didn’t stay for any length of time. They tried it and went to WoW (like both my kids).

My wife and I migrated backwards. We started with WoW and found our home in Guild Wars 1…but we were hardly typical.

Now, with a bigger, more ambitious game and a bigger staff, they can’t do what they did eight years ago when GW 1 came out. The gaming industry was different, the cost of producing the game was different, the amount of competition was different.

If Guild Wars 1 came out today with better graphics, it probably wouldn’t have lasted long enough for a sequel to be produced.

MikaHR.1978:

Galen Grey.4709:

MikaHR.1978:

Galen Grey.4709:

MikaHR.1978:

And your son will be gone again when he crafts his ascended weapon as clearly GW2 is not the game for him. At the same time i (and some others that have already played 1000+ hours) stopped playing the game because of something that will give your son 2 week gear grind fix, so…yes, i quite see you dont understand it.

Actually yes it does make sense.

If you’ve got a person who quits the moment something they dont like happens and you have another person who plays the moment you give him something he enjoys which customer would you want to keep?

Theres a lots of things i dont like about GW2. Your logic…..fails. To be mild.

Even more reason why taking care of you as a customer at the expense of other customers would be a bad idea dont you think ?

But thats funny cause I would have swore that yesterday you said “I was quite happy for past year. Put 1000+ hours in the game.” Which in itself is also funny cause ascended gear wasnt introduced now but actually last year and you were perfectly happy then according to you.

I was quite happy for the past year. But i really think you dont know what youre talking about.

Im quite happy with my GF too, doesnt mean i like all about her rofl

Sorry if i have to draw everything out for you.

sorry I must have been mistaken didnt realise there was no ascended gear in the game before 2 days go. my mistake.

Ichishi.9613:

No. In GW2 gear matters. Because GW2 gear has STATS on it. Stupid unbalanced snowballing stats. When you are being one shot by a single player in wvw you will not think he is in common gear.
Edit: I prayed to gods we would not have extra 1% crit damage on ascended 1h weapons. So glad they answered.

Well I wouldnt know about that, though never wore a single piece of ascended gear I was never one shotted by a single player in WvW. Actually I wasnt one shotted when once I tried playing with 0 armor on. Have you ever been one shotted?

Galen Grey.4709:

MikaHR.1978:

Galen Grey.4709:

MikaHR.1978:

Galen Grey.4709:

MikaHR.1978:

And your son will be gone again when he crafts his ascended weapon as clearly GW2 is not the game for him. At the same time i (and some others that have already played 1000+ hours) stopped playing the game because of something that will give your son 2 week gear grind fix, so…yes, i quite see you dont understand it.

Actually yes it does make sense.

If you’ve got a person who quits the moment something they dont like happens and you have another person who plays the moment you give him something he enjoys which customer would you want to keep?

Theres a lots of things i dont like about GW2. Your logic…..fails. To be mild.

Even more reason why taking care of you as a customer at the expense of other customers would be a bad idea dont you think ?

But thats funny cause I would have swore that yesterday you said “I was quite happy for past year. Put 1000+ hours in the game.” Which in itself is also funny cause ascended gear wasnt introduced now but actually last year and you were perfectly happy then according to you.

I was quite happy for the past year. But i really think you dont know what youre talking about.

Im quite happy with my GF too, doesnt mean i like all about her rofl

Sorry if i have to draw everything out for you.

sorry I must have been mistaken didnt realise there was no ascended gear in the game before 2 days go. my mistake.

Thats because i still hoped (small hope though) that there was part of old ANet in them that wants to create and innovate and they will scrap down whole nonsense. But, nope.

MikaHR.1978:

Galen Grey.4709:

MikaHR.1978:

Galen Grey.4709:

MikaHR.1978:

Galen Grey.4709:

MikaHR.1978:

And your son will be gone again when he crafts his ascended weapon as clearly GW2 is not the game for him. At the same time i (and some others that have already played 1000+ hours) stopped playing the game because of something that will give your son 2 week gear grind fix, so…yes, i quite see you dont understand it.

Actually yes it does make sense.

If you’ve got a person who quits the moment something they dont like happens and you have another person who plays the moment you give him something he enjoys which customer would you want to keep?

Theres a lots of things i dont like about GW2. Your logic…..fails. To be mild.

Even more reason why taking care of you as a customer at the expense of other customers would be a bad idea dont you think ?

But thats funny cause I would have swore that yesterday you said “I was quite happy for past year. Put 1000+ hours in the game.” Which in itself is also funny cause ascended gear wasnt introduced now but actually last year and you were perfectly happy then according to you.

I was quite happy for the past year. But i really think you dont know what youre talking about.

Im quite happy with my GF too, doesnt mean i like all about her rofl

Sorry if i have to draw everything out for you.

sorry I must have been mistaken didnt realise there was no ascended gear in the game before 2 days go. my mistake.

Thats because i still hoped (small hope though) that there was part of old ANet in them that wants to create and innovate and they will scrap down whole nonsense. But, nope.

It blows my mind that you can’t see the innovation, but what can you do?

Gw1 took a day-two to prepare, day-two to learn and years to complete.

Gw2 takes (under perfect conditions and a credit card) day-two to prepare, day-two to learn(multiplied by the amount of chars you need to make to try everything) and… wait. We completed it in step 1. Anything we didn’t complete we already missed.

I don’t mind ascended gear at all. By for what reason should it (the obviously better gear) be so much harder to obtain? Where are the promised “awesome” skins that should be our long-term objective?
I can’t stop facepalming at 99% of armor skins. I can’t stop facepalming at 99% of weapon skins. I can’t stop facepalming at 99% of animations. And what we get is BETTER in terms of stat gear, by-far-mediocre skins and rocket jump increase in time spent.
I don’t get why this game keeps getting better just profit- and screenshot-wise. Like every friend I originally started to play this game with, I quit long ago. And like many of them, I returned for the sole promise of “new weapons and weapon skills for all classes by the end of the year”.

There’s nothing innovative in Ascended weapons really.

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MikaHR.1978:

Galen Grey.4709:

MikaHR.1978:

Galen Grey.4709:

MikaHR.1978:

Galen Grey.4709:

MikaHR.1978:

And your son will be gone again when he crafts his ascended weapon as clearly GW2 is not the game for him. At the same time i (and some others that have already played 1000+ hours) stopped playing the game because of something that will give your son 2 week gear grind fix, so…yes, i quite see you dont understand it.

Actually yes it does make sense.

If you’ve got a person who quits the moment something they dont like happens and you have another person who plays the moment you give him something he enjoys which customer would you want to keep?

Theres a lots of things i dont like about GW2. Your logic…..fails. To be mild.

Even more reason why taking care of you as a customer at the expense of other customers would be a bad idea dont you think ?

But thats funny cause I would have swore that yesterday you said “I was quite happy for past year. Put 1000+ hours in the game.” Which in itself is also funny cause ascended gear wasnt introduced now but actually last year and you were perfectly happy then according to you.

I was quite happy for the past year. But i really think you dont know what youre talking about.

Im quite happy with my GF too, doesnt mean i like all about her rofl

Sorry if i have to draw everything out for you.

sorry I must have been mistaken didnt realise there was no ascended gear in the game before 2 days go. my mistake.

Thats because i still hoped (small hope though) that there was part of old ANet in them that wants to create and innovate and they will scrap down whole nonsense. But, nope.

It blows my mind that you can’t see the innovation, but what can you do?

Gear gear treadmill is not innovation im afraid.

Loot pinatas are not innovation.

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MikaHR.1978:

Galen Grey.4709:

MikaHR.1978:

Galen Grey.4709:

MikaHR.1978:

Galen Grey.4709:

MikaHR.1978:

And your son will be gone again when he crafts his ascended weapon as clearly GW2 is not the game for him. At the same time i (and some others that have already played 1000+ hours) stopped playing the game because of something that will give your son 2 week gear grind fix, so…yes, i quite see you dont understand it.

Actually yes it does make sense.

If you’ve got a person who quits the moment something they dont like happens and you have another person who plays the moment you give him something he enjoys which customer would you want to keep?

Theres a lots of things i dont like about GW2. Your logic…..fails. To be mild.

Even more reason why taking care of you as a customer at the expense of other customers would be a bad idea dont you think ?

But thats funny cause I would have swore that yesterday you said “I was quite happy for past year. Put 1000+ hours in the game.” Which in itself is also funny cause ascended gear wasnt introduced now but actually last year and you were perfectly happy then according to you.

I was quite happy for the past year. But i really think you dont know what youre talking about.

Im quite happy with my GF too, doesnt mean i like all about her rofl

Sorry if i have to draw everything out for you.

sorry I must have been mistaken didnt realise there was no ascended gear in the game before 2 days go. my mistake.

Thats because i still hoped (small hope though) that there was part of old ANet in them that wants to create and innovate and they will scrap down whole nonsense. But, nope.

really? cause I could have sworn they have build up on it month after month and was mentioned in both blog posts detailing how gw2 would progress in the following 6 months. There was no reason to think they’d scrap it yet you were still happy. Now with just 1 single new item from happy we got to quit. not even a shade of grey in between.

Ichishi.9613:

Gw1 took a day-two to prepare, day-two to learn and years to complete.

Gw2 takes (under perfect conditions and a credit card) day-two to prepare, day-two to learn(multiplied by the amount of chars you need to make to try everything) and… wait. We completed it in step 1. Anything we didn’t complete we already missed.

I don’t mind ascended gear at all. By for what reason should it (the obviously better gear) be so much harder to obtain? Where are the promised “awesome” skins that should be our long-term objective?
I can’t stop facepalming at 99% of armor skins. I can’t stop facepalming at 99% of weapon skins. I can’t stop facepalming at 99% of animations. And what we get is BETTER in terms of stat gear, by-far-mediocre skins and rocket jump increase in time spent.
I don’t get why this game keeps getting better just profit- and screenshot-wise. Like every friend I originally started to play this game with, I quit long ago. And like many of them, I returned for the sole promise of “new weapons and weapon skills for all classes by the end of the year”.

because they’re torn between two worlds. On one side they want to give VP customers what they want. On the other hand they dont want to alienate us who hate VP.

If they made it easy to get so that by day two to use your euphemism you complete your ascended gear set by day 5 they’d need a new tier or alienate all those VP people.

Like this, they can easily stretch it out for like 3 years without having even to think about a new tier.

Or thats my theory anyway.

MikaHR.1978:

Vayne.8563:

MikaHR.1978:

Vayne.8563:

MikaHR.1978:

Galen Grey.4709:

MikaHR.1978:

Galen Grey.4709:

MikaHR.1978:

Galen Grey.4709:

MikaHR.1978:

And your son will be gone again when he crafts his ascended weapon as clearly GW2 is not the game for him. At the same time i (and some others that have already played 1000+ hours) stopped playing the game because of something that will give your son 2 week gear grind fix, so…yes, i quite see you dont understand it.

Actually yes it does make sense.

If you’ve got a person who quits the moment something they dont like happens and you have another person who plays the moment you give him something he enjoys which customer would you want to keep?

Theres a lots of things i dont like about GW2. Your logic…..fails. To be mild.

Even more reason why taking care of you as a customer at the expense of other customers would be a bad idea dont you think ?

But thats funny cause I would have swore that yesterday you said “I was quite happy for past year. Put 1000+ hours in the game.” Which in itself is also funny cause ascended gear wasnt introduced now but actually last year and you were perfectly happy then according to you.

I was quite happy for the past year. But i really think you dont know what youre talking about.

Im quite happy with my GF too, doesnt mean i like all about her rofl

Sorry if i have to draw everything out for you.

sorry I must have been mistaken didnt realise there was no ascended gear in the game before 2 days go. my mistake.

Thats because i still hoped (small hope though) that there was part of old ANet in them that wants to create and innovate and they will scrap down whole nonsense. But, nope.

It blows my mind that you can’t see the innovation, but what can you do?

Gear gear treadmill is not innovation im afraid.

Loot pinatas are not innovation.

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I agree with you 100%. Neither of those things are innovative. And since that’s all that’s been in the game, you must be right. /sarcasm.

There’s other things in the game, and you chose to focus on the stuff you don’t like. That’s on you.

Really? like what is so innovative since launch? Entertain us pls rofl

I’ll let others entertain you,. since no matter what I’d say it would be a dismissive one line from you, like so many other of your posts to me.

There’s nothing I can say that can convince someone who’s determined to make fun of me….so I won’t bother. Sorry to put a damper on your day.

Seems like people just want ascended items handed out to them. I enjoy the way they put it out. It makes me want to revisit some dungeons, mini-dungeons, bosses and other types of content to get the mats needed. I like it.

I see some people talking about making the ascended items drop from bosses. Lol, just lol.. with the supereasy zerg-bosses this game has to offer it would be so boring and unchallanging. If u want the boss-drop system to be fun, enjoyabe and rewarding we need 100x harder bosses(instanced raids for example) so when you actually kill the boss you get a chans of drop. But then people would just rage again.

Seems like however arenanet makes things there are ALLWAYS someone complaining and crying like a little child.

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Hrithmus.2583:

353 replies and 7373 Views on this post and not one Dev Reply yet. Man they must be scared?

Because they know its pointless. Whatever they would say themselves has been said many times over by regular players. Did any of that chance a single opinion of either side?

A post by the devs would be counter productive. All it would do is cause more rage in the end.

This is true. Everyone paid for the game, I don’t see how devs taking sides would help at all.

They already did that, in regard to Ascended Gear. They took the side of the ‘most dedicated players’. Whoever the kitten that is.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/linsey-murdock-unveils-new-high-end-ascended-gear