Guild Wars 2

Signal boosting the community announcement about HoT.
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/pre-purchase-community-address/

oh please, I hope this will make this stupid kittenstorm finally end. And we can actually talk about other stuff on the forums.

I figured they wouldn’t lowered the price or anything. Still don’t know when prepurchase ends.

Its a win now, and to cover their butts later.

Basically, “oops, we werent expecting this reaction, give them the character slot.”
Yay win! I’m happy with this change even!

final paragraph: “We are going to give away previous needed content for free to new players from now on when a new xpac comes out. This is a heads up so you can’t yell at us for doing this again.”

aka: You get a free character slot now, but the future looks doubtful.

Who says enough pressure from your customer base don’t cause companies to alter their behavior ? :-D

Oh yeah… prance on White Knights, prance on !

The price was always fine, the character slot was holding me back from buying :p

Pickles.9436:

Its a win now, and to cover their butts later.

Basically, “oops, we werent expecting this reaction, give them the character slot.”
Yay win! I’m happy with this change even!

final paragraph: “We are going to give away previous needed content for free to new players from now on when a new xpac comes out. This is a heads up so you can’t yell at us for doing this again.”

aka: You get a free character slot now, but the future looks doubtful.

Boo hoo its easier for everyone else to get into the game wahhh
You got a reward for being a “veteran player”. Leave it at that.

i think it was holding a good deal of people back tbh… glad to see the change, but keep in mind for the future… they likely wont give you a char slot again.

So uh, I should request refund for ultimate then I guess? I bought it for the char slot which was an extra 800 gem worth and now that’s gone; it’s better just to go base version of hot now. Lame. It’s awesome to here they did this but for ultimate purchasers this can be seen as a bit disappointing… :\

fixit.7189:

So uh, I should request refund for ultimate then I guess? I bought it for the char slot which was an extra 800 gem worth and now that’s gone; it’s better just to go base version of hot now. Lame.

….how? You still have all of the extra pre purchase stuff and 3200 gems.
You spent 100 dollars to save 10 bucks?
Brilliant logic.

As long as a character slot is included with any expansion that adds a class, I am happy. It does not bother me that new players get previous content included with the purchase of the latest expansion. That only benefits the community.

Unloveableone.6082:

Pickles.9436:

Its a win now, and to cover their butts later.

Basically, “oops, we werent expecting this reaction, give them the character slot.”
Yay win! I’m happy with this change even!

final paragraph: “We are going to give away previous needed content for free to new players from now on when a new xpac comes out. This is a heads up so you can’t yell at us for doing this again.”

aka: You get a free character slot now, but the future looks doubtful.

Boo hoo its easier for everyone else to get into the game wahhh
You got a reward for being a “veteran player”. Leave it at that.

uhh…ok? I first said I’m happy with this added change of JUST getting a character slot? Okay? HAPPY. I do not care if a new player gets the previous stuff for free. I DON’T. They can have it!

What I care about is equal treatment. They give new players the previous stuff for free, fine, give the vets something free too. Keep it at a character slot. Fine by me.

Ok so now it could be time to pre-order Finally some sense into the team, and now time to make that purchase

CorrynnStarr.7942:

i think it was holding a good deal of people back tbh… glad to see the change, but keep in mind for the future… they likely wont give you a char slot again.

Thankfully this will likely be the last new class added to the game, so that shouldn’t be a problem! It will be a shame though if we go back to two parties buying the same thing and getting different things again though. Hopefully they learn from this and avoid a drama fest like this next time.

coso.9173:

oh please, I hope this will make this stupid kittenstorm finally end. And we can actually talk about other stuff on the forums.

This is exactly how I feel

Honestly it wasn’t truly needed, but much appreciated Anet, and a good decision to stop the others’ hate. Hopefully this makes the majority of the anger disappear.

Unloveableone.6082:

fixit.7189:

So uh, I should request refund for ultimate then I guess? I bought it for the char slot which was an extra 800 gem worth and now that’s gone; it’s better just to go base version of hot now. Lame.

….how? You still have all of the extra pre purchase stuff and 3200 gems.
You spent 100 dollars to save 10 bucks?
Brilliant logic.

Well why not? Saving 10 bucks is saving 10 bucks, that’s what made it attractive; it’s the whole reason why I plunked down 130 bucks in the first place. I am glad you all got better deals, this is great news but not so great for ultimate. I would have expected maybe an extra 800 gems dropped onto delux/ultimate as well but apparently not.

I am extremely disappointed that ArenaNet caved to the small minority of selfish rude players. There was nothing wrong with the price.

The only valid complaint was the changing of the FAQ making it look like they were trying to rip off customers, but they have now addressed that.

Thankyou ArenaNet for being so generous and mature as usual, it breaks my heart that they will loose thousands of dollars because of these changes just because of a selfish spoiled minority.

Arnath.2319:

I am extremely disappointed that ArenaNet caved to the small minority of selfish rude players. There was nothing wrong with the price.

The only valid complaint was the changing of the FAQ making it look like they were trying to rip off customers, but they have now addressed that.

Thankyou ArenaNet for being so generous and mature as usual, it breaks my heart that they will loose thousands of dollars because of these changes just because of a selfish spoiled minority.

you mispelled MAJORITY!!!!

Crybabies win? This just doesn’t just benefit those who wanted the char slot added but even those who were fine with pre purchasing basic edition.

So it’s not just a win win for those of us who rightly questioned this but even those who didn’t will get an extra char slot to boot.

For those that have pre purchased HoT basic edition and those who held back because of this, none of us are losers. We are all winners.

Shot:
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/pre-purchase-community-address/

Chaser:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Ascended-Gear-Anet-please-fix-this/first#post5173842

extra bonus:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Skill-points-and-Spirit-Shards/first#post5187859

Many thanks, Anet.

I feel privileged and grateful towards Anet. Gracious move

They had no choice. It’s the power of the consumer.

Now let the rage flow tomorrow with the balance changes. I hope to see many great respectful arguments tomorrow. /s

fixit.7189:

Unloveableone.6082:

fixit.7189:

So uh, I should request refund for ultimate then I guess? I bought it for the char slot which was an extra 800 gem worth and now that’s gone; it’s better just to go base version of hot now. Lame.

….how? You still have all of the extra pre purchase stuff and 3200 gems.
You spent 100 dollars to save 10 bucks?
Brilliant logic.

Well why not? Saving 10 bucks is saving 10 bucks, that’s what made it attractive; it’s the whole reason why I plunked down 130 bucks in the first place. I am glad you all got better deals, this is great news but not so great for ultimate. I would have expected maybe an extra 800 gems dropped onto delux/ultimate as well but apparently not.

“I spent 100 dollars on the Ultimate edition to use 800 gems that I could have bought for 10 bucks. Now everything else is useless and I want a refund because I only wanted to spend 10 bucks of the 100.”

Thats nice of A-net~

One question, how does this impact people who pre-ordered the other version because the original standard version did NOT include a character slot?

fixit.7189:

So uh, I should request refund for ultimate then I guess? I bought it for the char slot which was an extra 800 gem worth and now that’s gone; it’s better just to go base version of hot now. Lame. It’s awesome to here they did this but for ultimate purchasers this can be seen as a bit disappointing… :\

You get the slot for the edition plus an additional slot for upgrading. You still get the extra benefit.

Miku.6297:

Thats nice of A-net~

One question, how does this impact people who pre-ordered the other version because the original standard version did NOT include a character slot?

I’d be willing to bet support would try to accommodate them, but I’m certain it would be a case by case basis.

fixit.7189:

Unloveableone.6082:

fixit.7189:

So uh, I should request refund for ultimate then I guess? I bought it for the char slot which was an extra 800 gem worth and now that’s gone; it’s better just to go base version of hot now. Lame.

….how? You still have all of the extra pre purchase stuff and 3200 gems.
You spent 100 dollars to save 10 bucks?
Brilliant logic.

Well why not? Saving 10 bucks is saving 10 bucks, that’s what made it attractive; it’s the whole reason why I plunked down 130 bucks in the first place. I am glad you all got better deals, this is great news but not so great for ultimate. I would have expected maybe an extra 800 gems dropped onto delux/ultimate as well but apparently not.

If you bought the deluxe/ultimate edition. They will be giving you two character slots instead of just one character slot
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/hot/Pre-Purchase-Community-Address

Cerpin.9152:

Yup, crybabies win …

Now they will never grow up to be reasonable adults and will continue throwing tantrums to get everything they think they deserve.

Congratz!

If ANet did not deem the issues brought up as valid then they would not have done this. Specifically as it relates to the sale of gw2 these past couple of months, when you have a sale then turn around and provide it with the expansion it looks shady. If I had just started the game last month, bought it for 10-20 or whatever it was and then see they are selling the expansion with the core game that I JUST BOUGHT, I’d be kittened.

This is exactly what happened. I bought another account for my wife during this time and it did kind of rub me the wrong way that the expansion included the game I just paid for. The people in this situation would have had to spend 60-70 just because they bought it a month earlier.

Looks like I’m still going to pass. A character slot doesn’t make the expac look like a better deal for $50 at all, especially since they’re worth like $5 at the most in my eyes and I bought gems with gold for another character slot ages ago anyways.

Mojo Gris Gris.5941:

I’d be willing to bet support would try to accommodate them, but I’m certain it would be a case by case basis.

Thats what I’m thinking,

Guess I will send in a ticket and wait the 1-2 week turn around for a response.

I bought one of the pre-orders that had a slot because I wanted the character slot and figured I might as well get other stuff… Now that the char slot is free, makes me feel a little different about the value of the pre-order.

Giving me 2 character slots because of this change doesn’t actually help… I only want 1, maybe give people that pre-ordered the other version the gem value of a char slot? That way if they want it they can buy the second if not, keep the gems and get something else.

fixit.7189:

Unloveableone.6082:

fixit.7189:

So uh, I should request refund for ultimate then I guess? I bought it for the char slot which was an extra 800 gem worth and now that’s gone; it’s better just to go base version of hot now. Lame.

….how? You still have all of the extra pre purchase stuff and 3200 gems.
You spent 100 dollars to save 10 bucks?
Brilliant logic.

Well why not? Saving 10 bucks is saving 10 bucks, that’s what made it attractive; it’s the whole reason why I plunked down 130 bucks in the first place. I am glad you all got better deals, this is great news but not so great for ultimate. I would have expected maybe an extra 800 gems dropped onto delux/ultimate as well but apparently not.

If you read the blogpost again any edition will get a extra character slot…. So in time having that second character slot on your account camped at the end of a jp will earn more then those 800 gems.

Justice is done. Thank you for listening or reading your numbers.

p.s. Poor WKs, now they have to enjoy the outcome of our whining
Anet should give them a way to refuse such an awful addition that will drive this company into the ground forcing devs’ families into poverty and exclusion. /s

Edit:

I hope you people realize that the extra character slot is for pre-purchase only as that release stated. Which means if you want to be a smart consumer and not buy things sight unseen and no reviews….well…screw you.

kitten …

But I don’t need another char slot, just one for the new class. The extra bling on the ultimate is worthless, the gems and one slot was the primary reason why I spent extra. Now I get one extra useless slot I won’t be using. Basic is now the best deal by far, the other versions are a ripoff that I happened to pay for….eh.

People can complain about basic and get it changed yet the moment I question the worth of delux/ultimate after this…I get attacked with hostile replies. I don’t need that extra slot, just give me 800 gems extra and let me decide what to use them on. Is that not a reasonable request?

Just to preface I had no problem with the price, and purchased the ultimate edition on the first day.

That said I think its great that they addressed the more legitimate complaints and tried to clear up some of the misunderstandings, however i don’t think this is going to stop alot of the loud unreasonable complaints but those should fade with time.

I’m really impressed by Anet. They saw the complaints, waited until the heat was gone for a bit and adressed all of the complaints with one statement. Thank you!

(Only unanswered complaint is the missing group content but I hope it will be shown in the next weeks )

Screaming kid lol that’s almost funny.

These screaming kids just got an awful lot of basic edition buyers an extra char slot.

Screaming kids FTW lol

Finally a resolution. Now fanboys can stop brown noising anet.

Well, that is until next expansion. Crytal desert for $50 too? Then Cantha $50, then jade sea $50 then…. well u get it

Mojo Gris Gris.5941:

Shot:
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/pre-purchase-community-address/

Chaser:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Ascended-Gear-Anet-please-fix-this/first#post5173842

extra bonus:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Skill-points-and-Spirit-Shards/first#post5187859

Many thanks, Anet.

It’s been a great day all around, to see so many concerns addressed. Reminds me a bit of ANET from 2013! (And that is a huge compliment!)

Also, I feel that the announcement regarding prepurchasing was especially quick turnaround for such a big company. Well done, ANET.

While its a welcome change, the only issue they haven’t changed is the one that really irks me.

Every time an expansion for guild wars 2 comes out, existing players will be forced to re-buy every previous title to obtain the new one. This is extremely dubious ground for me. Free to play mmos aren’t that special anymore, large content updates on free mmos aren’t that uncommon either. The massive price tag for Anet’s self admitted small zone is precarious at best.

Is $50 for every undersized zone addition a fair deal? As I can afford it, I’ll say yes. If every consecutive expansion costs $5 or $10 more then the last (for the all inclusive base bundle) I’d say not – and this wont be discernible till the next expansion.

Given this extremely exorbitant sales model, one better hope there are 3 years of living story between each expansion – because if they released one of these small sized expansions every year (with a 4 month content drought before each release) you’d be better off with a different subscription model – on a different mmo.

Anet’s current offering? I’ll buy into it. But seeing as they marketed this expansion as a small zone with large underlying system reworks, I’ll expect future expansions without the large underlying system reworks to have a larger zone. If they continue to flout small zones (with the as of yet unexplained “replay-ability” factor) I’ll move onto the virtual reality mmos which will have undoubtedly been developed by then.

I would like to thank those posters who posted legitimate concerns in an considered manner.

I would also like to thank Anet staff for not reacting against the drivel that was posted among the diamonds.

I will call this a win for moderate forces and hope the people who were a tad confused get the help they seek.

Rauderi.8706:

Signal boosting the community announcement about HoT.
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/pre-purchase-community-address/

Not sure about the win part.
What do you think would have been the reaction if they offered this model in the first place? I think a lot of people would have been upset that the character slot is only a pre-purchase bonus instead a permanent feature.
But now, it seems like the best and most generous deal we could have possibly imagined.

fixit.7189:

So uh, I should request refund for ultimate then I guess? I bought it for the char slot which was an extra 800 gem worth and now that’s gone; it’s better just to go base version of hot now. Lame. It’s awesome to here they did this but for ultimate purchasers this can be seen as a bit disappointing… :\

You get two slots if you purchase delux or ultimate.

BolkovonHarnfeldt.1372:

Rauderi.8706:

Signal boosting the community announcement about HoT.
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/pre-purchase-community-address/

Not sure about the win part.
What do you think would have been the reaction if they offered this model in the first place? I think a lot of people would have been upset that the character slot is only a pre-purchase bonus instead a permanent feature.
But now, it seems like the best and most generous deal we could have possibly imagined.

Compared to the last 12 months, it is kitten near a miracle from on high.

I’m more happy that they gave the people a refund who recently purchased the core game in anticipation of HoT. Even though that didn’t affect me personally, they had a very legitimate complaint and I can understand how frustrating that would be to feel like the victim of a bait-and-switch scheme.

The bonus character slot also works out nicely for me, even though I was already happy with the purchase package.

I wouldn’t expect free character slots in future expansions unless they’re adding in new professions, but that’s a bridge that can be crossed when it arrives.

Guhracie.3419:

BolkovonHarnfeldt.1372:

Rauderi.8706:

Signal boosting the community announcement about HoT.
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/pre-purchase-community-address/

Not sure about the win part.
What do you think would have been the reaction if they offered this model in the first place? I think a lot of people would have been upset that the character slot is only a pre-purchase bonus instead a permanent feature.
But now, it seems like the best and most generous deal we could have possibly imagined.

Compared to the last 12 months, it is kitten near a miracle from on high.

Lesson for ANet – just lower your standards for a while, each ever so minor improvement afterwards will be hailed as the coming of the lord

Gerrand.3085:

While its a welcome change, the only issue they haven’t changed is the one that really irks me.

Every time an expansion for guild wars 2 comes out, existing players will be forced to re-buy every previous title to obtain the new one. This is extremely dubious ground for me. Free to play mmos aren’t that special anymore, large content updates on free mmos aren’t that uncommon either. The massive price tag for Anet’s self admitted small zone is precarious at best.

Is $50 for every undersized zone addition a fair deal? As I can afford it, I’ll say yes. If every consecutive expansion costs $5 or $10 more then the last (for the all inclusive base bundle) I’d say not – and this wont be discernible till the next expansion.

Given this extremely exorbitant sales model, one better hope there are 3 years of living story between each expansion – because if they released one of these small sized expansions every year (with a 4 month content drought before each release) you’d be better off with a different subscription model – on a different mmo.

Anet’s current offering? I’ll buy into it. But seeing as they marketed this expansion as a small zone with large underlying system reworks, I’ll expect future expansions without the large underlying system reworks to have a larger zone. If they continue to flout small zones (with the as of yet unexplained “replay-ability” factor) I’ll move onto the virtual reality mmos which will have undoubtedly been developed by then.

You aren’t rebuying, its given as a bonus.

So it comes down to this: “Do I want to pluck down $50 (for minimum) now and play, or take a break for a few years and pluck down $50 for the next xpac, and get this current one for free?” Basically anet is leaving the door open to “leaving for awhile? Come back next expansion and get previous stuff for free!”

which you know what? Is fine. Gives more power to you and saves you money. How many of those 3 mill people blizz loss from the WoD expansion probably had to buy the previous expansion(s) just to try WoD and got burned? So i’m ok with this model. If an xpac is doing stuff I hate, I can skip it without real consequence to myself. Come back next xpac and get previous at no charge.

@Pickles: I agree with the logic of your second paragraph about paying $50 to play now or $50 to play later. Quick word on paragraph 3 and the short paragraph 1.

Blizz usually bundles all the prior expansions and the base game into 1 box and the latest expansion into another – so its always a matter of buying the base game and the latest expansion. Always 2 purchases. Not completely different from what you’ve said, but i find the slight difference important to mention when arguing.

For the line “You aren’t rebuying, its given as a bonus.”, this is also true, but it has the exact same meaning as what I said ^^. If everyone but you were given a standing offer to buy a game at 50% off, that has the exact same meaning as stating that you alone will be charged 200% of the price for said game.

There is nit-picking to be had regardless of which side of the argument one chooses to support, that said I personally believe that one would be rebuying the entire game with every expansion – and the argument of worth would come down to debates of no-subscription, living story episodes per time frame and limited time contents/rewards garnered during the prime period of each expansion.

warbignime.4610:

You get two slots if you purchase delux or ultimate.

What if I only wanted one extra slot and that is why I decided to spend more? What am I going to do with a second slot I will never use? Ask for refund? Is that what they really really want? I can’t honestly believe that.

why do people still think that expansions will vary its side depending on the content they have?
all expansions on WoW have costed more or less the same, all expansions on most MMOs have costed the same, no matter if they have more or less content.