Guild Wars 2

Tachenon.5270:

This seems like a good place to repost this screenshot.

That looks outrageous

Red Queen.7915:

The goal of feminism in video game culture is not “stuff that offends no woman ever”, it’s “stuff that treats everyone the same, regardless of their sex/gender”. Of course someone would be offended. There always is someone. But when there are enough options, those someones are free to go look elsewhere. Right now, there aren’t many options, let alone good ones, so if we want to pursue our hobby, we have to put up with it or give up somthing we love. Neither option is very fair.

Almost forgot about this part.

That isn’t feminism, that’s gender equality. Also, please remember what thread you’re posting in. This is a thread that is addressing a particular inequality. I made a weak attempt to keep it on topic but yeah, it seems to be the goal of equality to press the female issue regardless of the topic.

Leo G.4501:

Red Queen.7915:

The goal of feminism in video game culture is not “stuff that offends no woman ever”, it’s “stuff that treats everyone the same, regardless of their sex/gender”. Of course someone would be offended. There always is someone. But when there are enough options, those someones are free to go look elsewhere. Right now, there aren’t many options, let alone good ones, so if we want to pursue our hobby, we have to put up with it or give up somthing we love. Neither option is very fair.

Almost forgot about this part.

That isn’t feminism, that’s gender equality. Also, please remember what thread you’re posting in. This is a thread that is addressing a particular inequality. I made a weak attempt to keep it on topic but yeah, it seems to be the goal of equality to press the female issue regardless of the topic.

Afraid that I have to disagree.

Treating people the same regardless of sex/gender is not gender equality.
There are significant differences between the genders. Of course people should be treated equally, but that does not necessarily mean exactly the same.

Ashen.2907:

Leo G.4501:

Red Queen.7915:

The goal of feminism in video game culture is not “stuff that offends no woman ever”, it’s “stuff that treats everyone the same, regardless of their sex/gender”. Of course someone would be offended. There always is someone. But when there are enough options, those someones are free to go look elsewhere. Right now, there aren’t many options, let alone good ones, so if we want to pursue our hobby, we have to put up with it or give up somthing we love. Neither option is very fair.

Almost forgot about this part.

That isn’t feminism, that’s gender equality. Also, please remember what thread you’re posting in. This is a thread that is addressing a particular inequality. I made a weak attempt to keep it on topic but yeah, it seems to be the goal of equality to press the female issue regardless of the topic.

Afraid that I have to disagree.

Treating people the same regardless of sex/gender is not gender equality.
There are significant differences between the genders. Of course people should be treated equally, but that does not necessarily mean exactly the same.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_equality

“Gender equality, also known as sex equality, gender egalitarianism, sexual equality or equality of the genders, refers to the view that men and women should receive equal treatment, and should not be discriminated against based on gender, unless there is a sound biological reason for different treatment.”

If you have a problem with the definition of gender equality, I guess you can change the wiki page. Your post even completes the definition expressed in this thread, touching on the point that there are biological differences between the sexes that tend to require differing treatments.

My point though, is Red Queen was calling gender equality feminism. I can respect someone having a primarily feminist objective perspective with altered personal morals that differ from most feminist viewpoints…that’s why I can tell that’s probably what Red Queen meant. Her feminist philosophies likely incorporates points of gender equality as well.

Leo G.4501:

Ashen.2907:

Leo G.4501:

Red Queen.7915:

The goal of feminism in video game culture is not “stuff that offends no woman ever”, it’s “stuff that treats everyone the same, regardless of their sex/gender”. Of course someone would be offended. There always is someone. But when there are enough options, those someones are free to go look elsewhere. Right now, there aren’t many options, let alone good ones, so if we want to pursue our hobby, we have to put up with it or give up somthing we love. Neither option is very fair.

Almost forgot about this part.

That isn’t feminism, that’s gender equality. Also, please remember what thread you’re posting in. This is a thread that is addressing a particular inequality. I made a weak attempt to keep it on topic but yeah, it seems to be the goal of equality to press the female issue regardless of the topic.

Afraid that I have to disagree.

Treating people the same regardless of sex/gender is not gender equality.
There are significant differences between the genders. Of course people should be treated equally, but that does not necessarily mean exactly the same.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_equality

“Gender equality, also known as sex equality, gender egalitarianism, sexual equality or equality of the genders, refers to the view that men and women should receive equal treatment, and should not be discriminated against based on gender, unless there is a sound biological reason for different treatment.”

If you have a problem with the definition of gender equality, I guess you can change the wiki page. Your post even completes the definition expressed in this thread, touching on the point that there are biological differences between the sexes that tend to require differing treatments.

My point though, is Red Queen was calling gender equality feminism. I can respect someone having a primarily feminist objective perspective with altered personal morals that differ from most feminist viewpoints…that’s why I can tell that’s probably what Red Queen meant. Her feminist philosophies likely incorporates points of gender equality as well.

Note that the quoted definition of gender equality does not comment on treating people the same, rather it references equal treatment. Treating individuals (or groups) with significant differences the same is not the same as treating them equally.

As to the topic title:

Sure, why not. Add some such options to the gem store. Pay attention to revenue to determine whether or not further development in this area is likely to have sufficient ROI to merit the expense.

So you’re saying that, for a female charatcer to be recognisable as Red Sonja, she MUST wear a chainmal bikini? Which basically means that there is absolutely nothing else that defines this character? Are you for real?

Visually, yeah. Red Sonja is a fantasy character with an athletic physique, loose back-length red hair and a coinmail bikini, just as Conan is a man with long brown hair, a muscular body, and a fur or leather loin cloth. If you were to dress her up she would still be the same character on the inside, but would not be recognizable at a glance because she would lose her most unique visual identifier. I don’t see what you find so ridiculous about that. How do you believe that a picture of Red Sonja in plate armor would be visually distinct from a picture of another redhead in plate armor?

And NOW I’m really, truly done with you. Dismissing an argument or proof as a joke because you really don’t have anything to support your contradicting opinion is hilariously sad.

You didn’t have an argument or proof, you sited two humor sites devoted to taking pictures of women in media, and drawing satirical images of men in the same feminine poses, only dialed up to 12 with added exaggeration for humorous effect. Nothing they do on those sites is “proof” of any sort of serious point.

I wasn’t talking about GW2, but of games in general.

Well. . . this is the GW2 forums. . .

Ashariel, that poll does neither prove nor disprove anything. It’s not representative, and if it were, the difference between “prefers skimpy” and “prefers non-skimpy” is not that big. So yeah, we’re not “just louder”, we just decide to speak up once in a while.

The real data would just be in which armor gets worn and which doesn’t. ANet likely has metrics as to how much each piece of armor gets worn, so they know perfectly well which styles tend to get favored.

Ashen.2907:

Note that the quoted definition of gender equality does not comment on treating people the same, rather it references equal treatment. Treating individuals (or groups) with significant differences the same is not the same as treating them equally.

I suggest you read the Red Queen post I quoted very carefully.

I think it break down to… 1) most heterosexual guys play the game, probably 70% of it, and they ALL want to see naked female or I meant female who wear very little clothes on. 2) designer got influence by real human nowadays fashion… where female tend to show much more skin. 3) female players… got used to it of showing their own skin in real life so they want their female character to be sexy!

This is the problem in almost every game I see! However they have to remember we’re living in 2014 now, where there should be equal on genders. More and more male care about their face/hair/body figured and we work hard in gym and keeping our look young and cute.

In the fantasy world, they need to be fair and giving every players different OPTIONS! I try so so so so hard to dress my male character lesser clothes as possible yet still looking higher-end, its not easy, very little choices, and it suck really!

The most sexy male I can come up with is… naked miniature lord Faren, I try to have him with me all time, I’m not suggesting an underwear male armor but take a look at human T3-light armor…. female armor… gosh its so naked and skimpy while male?? only showing their arm? T3-medium armor… need I to say more??

Anet please give us more options! Female armor has options on being skimpy or cover up skin, while males armors are extremely short on options. (I want to suggest this but I know people might attack me, but I think if a-net can hire a better homosexual armor designer we will be getting MUCH better armor in game!) peace out~

Or, how about more in-game armour at all?
Seriously, except for the ascended set, there were no new armor sets added to the game, safe for the gem store ones, which i don’t count because… well… they’re from the gem store.

Nikaido.6739:

3) female players… got used to it of showing their own skin in real life so they want their female character to be sexy!

Got used to? Can’t it be that females just want to show more skin in what they wear? Remember, for hundreds of years, just women showing their ankles was considered taboo and showing too much skin branded them with unsettling names by society.

As for ‘sexy’ male armor, whether it’s considered sexy or not seems up to the beholder. For me, my most provocative male is probably my Charr Warrior who tends to get the most shiny and metallic looking armor available and then replace the chest with one of the ‘show abs’ armors. It’s mainly to show his yellow w/ brown stripes and milky belly coat, but I’ve heard too many people comment on ‘kitty abs’ that I can only assume he looks good/desirable or at the least, has a good looking combination of armor/color. It helps he wears armored pants to cut down on clipping.

More lean, less bulky choices, especially for medium, would help show off the body shape and allow easier mix/match armor pieces to control how much skin and what skin to show. Coupled with some pieces that just plain show more and you broaden the options for your males

Or, how about more in-game armour at all?
Seriously, except for the ascended set, there were no new armor sets added to the game, safe for the gem store ones, which i don’t count because… well… they’re from the gem store.

Honestly, I don’t care about them adding gem store armor. This is not “rude” of them. You bought the game, and paid ~$50 for it, and for that you got some 117 different armor sets, doubled for two genders and quintupled for five races, so that’s 1170 different armor models, which I believe is fair for the $50 you paid. In the time since, they have made more armor, but charged for it. An average armor set is around $10, even if you bought every piece of armor they’ve added since launch, it would come out to less than if you’d been paying a monthly sub fee in a P2P game, so expecting them to keep adding free armor to the game is a bit unrealistic.

I fully expect almost all cosmetic gear to be added via the gemstore, while they continue to provide, FOR FREE, all sorts of playable content. I don’t mind that. If and when they release an expansion, I would expect at least a few more sets, but until then, Gem store is fine.

I guess it’s only fair, but I might have to gouge out my eyes if I log in and everyone looks like a Mancubus…

Sankekur.9182:

Or, how about more in-game armour at all?
Seriously, except for the ascended set, there were no new armor sets added to the game, safe for the gem store ones, which i don’t count because… well… they’re from the gem store.

Gem store armor sets are still cheaper then a full t3 cultural set, especially when they are on sale.

Tim.6450:

Sankekur.9182:

Or, how about more in-game armour at all?
Seriously, except for the ascended set, there were no new armor sets added to the game, safe for the gem store ones, which i don’t count because… well… they’re from the gem store.

Gem store armor sets are still cheaper then a full t3 cultural set, especially when they are on sale.

Not by much though. At roughly 13 gold for 100 gems rate (last time I checked) that makes gem set roughly ~103 gold for the more expensive ones vs. 119 gold for cultural.

Sadly, I wouldn’t be surprised if the conversion rate continues to rise over time, eventually making them about even. Would only need to rise about 2 more gold for 100.

I agree with the title. Charr uses male armour models by default no matter what gender they are. They are feline creatures that have furr… covered up from top to toe in coats most of the time (medium armour wich is my main and the worst off when it comes to cover up). There could be so cool armours made for charr, leaving much more skin/fur visible without these creatures looking naked thanks to their animalistic features.

Thanks to the looks, the clipping and the body part removal (ears, horns, hair) that armour mostly have on charr, I (and I guess a lot others) am left with very few options to choose from that look any good (i Think 4 out of my 7 characters, all charr, so far wear the same COSTUME…). I know several ppl in my Guild that dont roll any charr because of this only!

Erukk.1408:

I guess it’s only fair, but I might have to gouge out my eyes if I log in and everyone looks like a Mancubus…

More Mancubus please
(Hang in there and focus on all the boobs, Erukk!)

Erukk.1408:

I guess it’s only fair, but I might have to gouge out my eyes if I log in and everyone looks like a Mancubus…

A Mancubus to me shall always be that pudgy guy with rocket launchers for arms from Doom 2. XD

“Mankey Powaaah!”

RedStar.4218:

Omar Aschi Popp.7496:

I am laughing at the people(woman) here talking about being experts in bodybuilding, much less bodies.

Y’all smell of horrible insecurity. And by “y’all” I really mean like 3 people.
Fantasyworldsgonnafantasy.

Also to reiterate my position; skimpy armor on anything is lamekittenkitten.
Get a kittening life.
Go look at porn.
Keep your smut/twilight/50shades fantasies out of my videogames.

So basically the swimming pool is a big porn set ?

In case you didn’t know, not everyone constantly thinks about sex. Some players simply want their character to look good and show off the choice they made when creating them (tattoos, fur, light pattern).

I’m tired of having the same argument with people that skimpy and sexual aren’t the same thing. And regarding male armor, there’s a difference between asking crotchless pants and sort of low rise pants.

Except you are, you(not YOU) are needlessly sexualizing something.
People don’t go to the pool, to drool over peoples’ bodies. They go swimming.

That is the generalization of the word, skimpy (which for fun I just decided to look up the definition, and it’s not sexual, but that’s the association)

Everything about your post is correct.
Clearly my post wasn’t a jab at you, so I don’t see why you are huffing.
It was a jab at several others, who despite their wailing are the type I describe.

Maybe what I should have done was make my mockery of specific posts more obvious, and break for my thoughts on topic.

So, ON TOPIC
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Anyone remember Gladiator Armor from GW1?
On Guildwars2, my first exotic drop ever was Koss’ Chestguard(Scallywag?) and I wore it mismatched with my Heritage gear. I’m now running full Heritage cause it just looks more professional.
Back when we had this AWESOME feature called “Townclothes”, I would walk around in Riding Boots & Pants, topless. Like Rommel if he forgot to put his shirt on.

In you example of tattoos, I think what Anet should do, and I believe it’s been suggested MANY times already, is to make all armor pieces “show/hide” like headgear and gauntlets. I made a female Norn once to try the different races(I play exclusively Human) and had dark blue tattooing that was on all the legs, and if you took the leggings gear off, it looked like she was wearing tights/pantyhose. So if given that option, you could totally work certain pieces out to make any given gearset more revealing.

Hell, even mix and mach gear, there was a thread a while ago about that very thing and people can come up with impressive stuff.

My point is, you have options. Wether you want new ones is a different story.

On the topic of my making fun of people. Look at some of those “example” armours people posted. Yeah, it is kittening sexualized, and screams “I write GW2/50 shades crossover (erotic)fanfics, and subscribe to HBO”

I can frequently be seen running Caudecus’ Manor with no chest armor on. You don’t get more showy than that, and so I fail to see this plight you think you have.

And if you’re wondering, I go through the dungeon pretty ok, and only when my party is cool with it, I haven’t noticed a big dip in time to complete(OMG U Y NO FULL ZERRRRRKKKKKK?!).

Edit:
Astral Projections.7320 Come on man!! Charr and silvary don’t count! Also in that context “skimpy” is the wrong word to throw around.

People who call me a guttermind/really sarcastic fantasy ruined guy; Have you kittening seen some of these suggested “armors” yeah okay. All media is already over sexualized as it is, I just don’t see the need for more, it’s unfortunate this deeply wounds you. On that note, I’m sorry for making fun of you, it’s just a knee jerk reaction. I make judgements based on generalization.

Erukk.1408: on the subject on Mancubus. Very easy.
Holographic Wings/ Spinal Blade Pack, only wear gauntlets and boots.
Done!

Omar Aschi Popp.7496:

Anyone remember Gladiator Armor from GW1?
On Guildwars2, my first exotic drop ever was Koss’ Chestguard(Scallywag?) and I wore it mismatched with my Heritage gear. I’m now running full Heritage cause it just looks more professional.
Back when we had this AWESOME feature called “Townclothes”, I would walk around in Riding Boots & Pants, topless. Like Rommel if he forgot to put his shirt on.

In you example of tattoos, I think what Anet should do, and I believe it’s been suggested MANY times already, is to make all armor pieces “show/hide” like headgear and gauntlets. I made a female Norn once to try the different races(I play exclusively Human) and had dark blue tattooing that was on all the legs, and if you took the leggings gear off, it looked like she was wearing tights/pantyhose. So if given that option, you could totally work certain pieces out to make any given gearset more revealing.

Hell, even mix and mach gear, there was a thread a while ago about that very thing and people can come up with impressive stuff.

My point is, you have options. Wether you want new ones is a different story.

On the topic of my making fun of people. Look at some of those “example” armours people posted. Yeah, it is kittening sexualized, and screams “I write GW2/50 shades crossover (erotic)fanfics, and subscribe to HBO”

Responding seriously if you are being serious:

What about medium armor? What options do they have? I’ll grant you that heavy has 3 decent ones, and I do mix and match every one of them with various pieces, but skimpy also doesn’t have to necessarily mean “to show skin”. More heavy armor that isn’t bulky, more form-fitting, not a skirt, etc. This is exactly what is being asked so I’ll assume you’re agreeing with the OP : “more skimpy male armor”.

As far as the examples that have been posted, I’d say most of them aren’t serious suggestions. Most of the discussion that has gone on is whether skimpy armor exists/how it exists or what have you. Most of what was posted seem to be either jokes or examples of skimpy armor existing in other games/media, not how it should exist in GW2.

Lastly, there were even arguments about males wearing certain types of armor “aren’t sexual” so that sort of contradicts your last comment. Not that I agree with those making such statements, but then I feel you’re exaggerating the other way. What is likely being asked for in this thread shouldn’t be much more revealing than anything we’d put females in and yet we shouldn’t be afraid to do so anyway if people aren’t going to bat an eye when females start showing more and more skin. Acting all squimish is just juvenile and makes your homophobia show.

If you’re not being serious or only half serious, just disregard my post.

Leo G.4501:

Omar Aschi Popp.7496:

Anyone remember Gladiator Armor from GW1?
On Guildwars2, my first exotic drop ever was Koss’ Chestguard(Scallywag?) and I wore it mismatched with my Heritage gear. I’m now running full Heritage cause it just looks more professional.
Back when we had this AWESOME feature called “Townclothes”, I would walk around in Riding Boots & Pants, topless. Like Rommel if he forgot to put his shirt on.

In you example of tattoos, I think what Anet should do, and I believe it’s been suggested MANY times already, is to make all armor pieces “show/hide” like headgear and gauntlets. I made a female Norn once to try the different races(I play exclusively Human) and had dark blue tattooing that was on all the legs, and if you took the leggings gear off, it looked like she was wearing tights/pantyhose. So if given that option, you could totally work certain pieces out to make any given gearset more revealing.

Hell, even mix and mach gear, there was a thread a while ago about that very thing and people can come up with impressive stuff.

My point is, you have options. Wether you want new ones is a different story.

On the topic of my making fun of people. Look at some of those “example” armours people posted. Yeah, it is kittening sexualized, and screams “I write GW2/50 shades crossover (erotic)fanfics, and subscribe to HBO”

Responding seriously if you are being serious:

What about medium armor? What options do they have? I’ll grant you that heavy has 3 decent ones, and I do mix and match every one of them with various pieces, but skimpy also doesn’t have to necessarily mean “to show skin”. More heavy armor that isn’t bulky, more form-fitting, not a skirt, etc. This is exactly what is being asked so I’ll assume you’re agreeing with the OP : “more skimpy male armor”.

As far as the examples that have been posted, I’d say most of them aren’t serious suggestions. Most of the discussion that has gone on is whether skimpy armor exists/how it exists or what have you. Most of what was posted seem to be either jokes or examples of skimpy armor existing in other games/media, not how it should exist in GW2.

Lastly, there were even arguments about males wearing certain types of armor “aren’t sexual” so that sort of contradicts your last comment. Not that I agree with those making such statements, but then I feel you’re exaggerating the other way. What is likely being asked for in this thread shouldn’t be much more revealing than anything we’d put females in and yet we shouldn’t be afraid to do so anyway if people aren’t going to bat an eye when females start showing more and more skin. Acting all squimish is just juvenile and makes your homophobia show.

If you’re not being serious or only half serious, just disregard my post.

I’m usually always serious.
It didn’t even occur to me the other class types, since I exclusively main a warrior, ankitten ot an altoholic… And as for heavy anyway, yeah I would like more form fitting stuff, since that’s what I like IRL.

Totally off topic, kinda, would love to see leather options for heavy, and I’m sure lighter classes would like some metal.

Also not homophobic, just sayin.
But yes, I gotcha.