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Posted by: Halanna.3927

Halanna.3927

2. Karma gear -to get one set of karma get you need atleast 240k karma. Yeah for the above avg. causal – to hardcore this is possible but for us casuals this is NOT possible in a reasonable amount of time.

I’m a so called “casual” and I have 170k karma and I didn’t even try.

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Posted by: BlackestKnight.1278

BlackestKnight.1278

No you can’t.

Then how come I had BiS items lying in my inventory, ready to equip, when I was level 79 ?

The fact that the grind isn’t as bad as some other games doesn’t mean there is no grind.

I think you’re missing the word “REQUIRE” from the OP. There is a grind, but it’s completely optional (not one can say with a straight face that Ascended Quivers/Books aren’t a grind compared to the Capacitators and the Legendaries are a grind…).

You don’t need to grind and you’ll be on equal footing to a player who does grind. Hence NO GRIND IS REQUIRED.

Compared to other games where grinding is the name of the game.

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Posted by: BlackestKnight.1278

BlackestKnight.1278

please don t say legendary weapons are cosmetic

They are BEST in SLOT so basically they are the best tier.

Legendaries are not more BiS than my Exotic. In fact, no legendaries has stats that come close to my exotic weapons.

It’s just a skin.

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Posted by: Caedmon.6798

Caedmon.6798

@Caedmon

You are massively contradicting yourself. On one hand you are claiming that this game isn’t about grinding. Then you say if you want anything in this game you need to grind for it.

Just thought I’d point that out.

You need to read better,i’m not contradicting myself,i’m not saying there is no grind in this game.Im saying the grind that Is available,is for the people that Do want to bother and spend alot of time on,and if you do Not like the grind then don’t bother with a legendary or with fractals. If you want to point something out,make sure its correct at least.

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Posted by: darkace.8925

darkace.8925

This is NOT WoW. As far as I’m aware this is not WoW. Tell if I’m wrong though.

This is GuildWars 2. I’m talking about as far Gw2 is concerned this is grind.

You keep on this logical fallancy. You keep on doing this: You compare A to B even though A has some of B’s faults A is not that bad.

The fact is A has faults. That does not give A an excuse.

So it’s a logical fallacy to compare A to B? Okay…

This is way to much gold. In Gw1 you wouldn’t spend so long getting the stats heck they were so cheap people even gave them away or it would only cost around 3k (which was like 1.5 gold here)

So there’s that. And then there’s this…

You need around 75-100 gold to get the stats, armor, runes, jewelery etc. you need. This is way to much gold. In Gw1 you wouldn’t spend so long getting the stats heck they were so cheap people even gave them away or it would only cost around 3k (which was like 1.5 gold here)

No map completion isn’t grind since you do different things. I even have 50 gold atm. But I realized that I’d need 100 to get the stats/armor/armor looks (dye included) I want. THEN what? Grind another 2300 for a legend? I mean cmon… that is pratically my only option.

Which is it? Is it gear your need? Or is it gear you want?

Heck I’d like to go to FOTM but:
1. Eventually I would need a aginy resist item which costs alot of time and money.

There you go again with that word, “need”. If people needed agony resist items to run FotM, then nobody would have been able to run them when they were first introduced.

2. I’m a University student and simply can’t put 2 hours into a run.
I played it once and found it fantastic but realistically I can’t put that much time in.

I say this with all due respect, but judging by your posts, filled with “ME! NOW!” borderline hysteria, childish “I know you are, but what am I” retorts when called out for multiple contradictions and logical fallacies, and a general lack of care to any kind of proper grammar or spelling, I never would have guessed you for a university student.

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Posted by: Cerise.9045

Cerise.9045

They are both long term goals which exist to make you play the game longer so you keep paying a subscription fee or so they can keep making you buy things in the cash store. So yes they serve the same purpose in the game.

Unless you are one of those people who sits around in lions arch all day trying to troll map chat, you are participating in this as well.

Actually your original statement was that they were just as “non-optional”, which is demonstrably wrong. “Gear grind” in GW2 is completely optional. Whereas in WoW (and clones) you absolutely need to grind for your gear in order to have any realistic chance of competing with those who do.

In GW2 you only have to grind to acquire certain cosmetics, certain looks, which is optional.

Yes, you can always not grind and do absolutely nothing, and that applies to both games. Your definition of optional is really warped. When doing something and quitting are the only two options, then doing something can’t really be considered optional to playing the game. It’s like saying shooting things is optional in call of duty. Yes you can play call of duty without shooting things, you just won’t go anywhere.

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Posted by: BlackestKnight.1278

BlackestKnight.1278

Yes, you can always not grind and do absolutely nothing, and that applies to both games. Your definition of optional is really warped. When doing something and quitting are the only two options, then doing something can’t really be considered optional to playing the game. It’s like saying shooting things is optional in call of duty. Yes you can play call of duty without shooting things, you just won’t go anywhere.

The point is, again, that in GW2, you can play the game normally, completely for 100% fun and not grind… and still have BiS exotics in a few days, with a fully kitted character in 1-2 weeks.

It might not look like you want, but you’ll be able to function at 100% in game. Anything else is just cosmetics and you gain no gameplay advantage from “doing the grind” (which is hardly a grind… come on… 3g for an exotic crafted on the TP or 300-400 tokens for dungeon gear or … 240k karma which you should have just from leveling up ?)

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Posted by: morrolan.9608

morrolan.9608

I think you’re missing the word “REQUIRE” from the OP. There is a grind, but it’s completely optional

In other messages I’ve said its optional, the issue is there is virtually nothing tangible to achieve at level 80 except for going for the shinies.

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Posted by: Reaver.9256

Reaver.9256

please don t say legendary weapons are cosmetic

They are BEST in SLOT so basically they are the best tier.
They will be upgraded forever to match the best equipment so they are better because by default they won t need replacement.

They are not only a skin.

“Infinite light” is a skin and as you may see almost nobody has one…like may Others exotics.

Please post a source for this info? I’ve never seen it mentioned that they’d be upgraded forever to be the best.

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Posted by: Nabrok.9023

Nabrok.9023

please don t say legendary weapons are cosmetic

They are BEST in SLOT so basically they are the best tier.
They will be upgraded forever to match the best equipment so they are better because by default they won t need replacement.

They are not only a skin.

“Infinite light” is a skin and as you may see almost nobody has one…like may Others exotics.

Please post a source for this info? I’ve never seen it mentioned that they’d be upgraded forever to be the best.

I don’t have a link, but they have said this. Legendaries are intended to always be the best weapons, so if/when ascended weapons come legendaries will get a boost to match them.

This doesn’t mean that they’re not just cosmetic though. They are. The fact that you can do a lot of grinding now to save yourself an unknown amount of grinding in the future doesn’t change that.

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Posted by: Reaver.9256

Reaver.9256

please don t say legendary weapons are cosmetic

They are BEST in SLOT so basically they are the best tier.
They will be upgraded forever to match the best equipment so they are better because by default they won t need replacement.

They are not only a skin.

“Infinite light” is a skin and as you may see almost nobody has one…like may Others exotics.

Please post a source for this info? I’ve never seen it mentioned that they’d be upgraded forever to be the best.

I don’t have a link, but they have said this. Legendaries are intended to always be the best weapons, so if/when ascended weapons come legendaries will get a boost to match them.

This doesn’t mean that they’re not just cosmetic though. They are. The fact that you can do a lot of grinding now to save yourself an unknown amount of grinding in the future doesn’t change that.

I’ve looked and looked and can’t find a thing saying they’d be leveled up and all that forever. Only thing I see is them saying that they’d remain BiS in tier order. Aka a lvl 80 legendary will always be BiS at 80. I see nothing about the future when more levels and new legendaries at those levels are added.

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Posted by: Revolution.6301

Revolution.6301

This is NOT WoW. As far as I’m aware this is not WoW. Tell if I’m wrong though.

This is GuildWars 2. I’m talking about as far Gw2 is concerned this is grind.

You keep on this logical fallancy. You keep on doing this: You compare A to B even though A has some of B’s faults A is not that bad.

The fact is A has faults. That does not give A an excuse.

So it’s a logical fallacy to compare A to B? Okay…

This is way to much gold. In Gw1 you wouldn’t spend so long getting the stats heck they were so cheap people even gave them away or it would only cost around 3k (which was like 1.5 gold here)

So there’s that. And then there’s this…

You need around 75-100 gold to get the stats, armor, runes, jewelery etc. you need. This is way to much gold. In Gw1 you wouldn’t spend so long getting the stats heck they were so cheap people even gave them away or it would only cost around 3k (which was like 1.5 gold here)

No map completion isn’t grind since you do different things. I even have 50 gold atm. But I realized that I’d need 100 to get the stats/armor/armor looks (dye included) I want. THEN what? Grind another 2300 for a legend? I mean cmon… that is pratically my only option.

Which is it? Is it gear your need? Or is it gear you want?

Heck I’d like to go to FOTM but:
1. Eventually I would need a aginy resist item which costs alot of time and money.

There you go again with that word, “need”. If people needed agony resist items to run FotM, then nobody would have been able to run them when they were first introduced.

2. I’m a University student and simply can’t put 2 hours into a run.
I played it once and found it fantastic but realistically I can’t put that much time in.

I say this with all due respect, but judging by your posts, filled with “ME! NOW!” borderline hysteria, childish “I know you are, but what am I” retorts when called out for multiple contradictions and logical fallacies, and a general lack of care to any kind of proper grammar or spelling, I never would have guessed you for a university student.

You are attacking grammer. As far as I am aware grammer does not demonstrate intelligence. It only displays whether someone can spell or not. And this is another logical fallacy called equivocation. You are bringing in an irrelevent topic to try to sway the way people judge mine.

The kine of armor I want? Knights because I’m a guardian who hates the idea of healing.
You don’t need agony? Really so when you are 1 shotted by the end boss that’s okay?

If this game was marketed towards people like you fine. I would not complain heck that is why in a game like Maplestory that is marketed towards people who like grind I never complain since THAT is the Manifesto.

The manifesto is key when targetting said market. I am a casual. I have around an hour a day to play then I study the rest.

And as someone stated Dyes. Why are dyes NOT account bound? That is somthing Anet specifically stated. This is a direct contridtion that only funnels the grind.

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Posted by: Revolution.6301

Revolution.6301

No you can’t.

Then how come I had BiS items lying in my inventory, ready to equip, when I was level 79 ?

The fact that the grind isn’t as bad as some other games doesn’t mean there is no grind.

I think you’re missing the word “REQUIRE” from the OP. There is a grind, but it’s completely optional (not one can say with a straight face that Ascended Quivers/Books aren’t a grind compared to the Capacitators and the Legendaries are a grind…).

You don’t need to grind and you’ll be on equal footing to a player who does grind. Hence NO GRIND IS REQUIRED.

Compared to other games where grinding is the name of the game.

So its not required?
I want the best stats. Heck lets ignore looks completely, that includes dyes and armor.
The cost is STILL around 70G.
Add up the runes, exoctic armor, jewelry, rings etc and buying traits, weapons too. (In my case thats 3 weapons (A greatsword, normal sword + torch).

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Posted by: BlackestKnight.1278

BlackestKnight.1278

So its not required?
I want the best stats. Heck lets ignore looks completely, that includes dyes and armor.
The cost is STILL around 70G.
Add up the runes, exoctic armor, jewelry, rings etc and buying traits, weapons too. (In my case thats 3 weapons (A greatsword, normal sword + torch).

70g you’ll easily get with 100% map completion (and less, since you have 50g from 51%). You yourself admitted playing the map completion content is not a grind.

Thus you’ll have your BiS items, BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION, with no grind involved.

Why are you still disputing this when you admitted it yourself ?

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Posted by: BlackestKnight.1278

BlackestKnight.1278

I think you’re missing the word “REQUIRE” from the OP. There is a grind, but it’s completely optional

In other messages I’ve said its optional, the issue is there is virtually nothing tangible to achieve at level 80 except for going for the shinies.

Ah so now the argument shifts! It’s “BUT THERE’S NO ENDGAME!”.

And now you know why all those other MMOs are carrot chasers. Because otherwise, people blow through the existing content too fast and whine that there is nothing left to do.

So devs make content that takes a bit more time (with albeit some repetition) and people whine “BUT THAT’S GRINDING!”.

IE, if you don’t like the game, stop playing, don’t whine about the genre.

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Posted by: Foosnark.1784

Foosnark.1784

I have 6 characters in here, a couple in their 70s. I have never done any grinding.

Try that in WoW.

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Posted by: Nibiru.1423

Nibiru.1423

@OP i cant even be bothered to read your post, its not too grindy at all. If people dont like some grind dont play MMO

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Posted by: Happyfool.8951

Happyfool.8951

No you can’t.

Then how come I had BiS items lying in my inventory, ready to equip, when I was level 79 ?

The fact that the grind isn’t as bad as some other games doesn’t mean there is no grind.

I think you’re missing the word “REQUIRE” from the OP. There is a grind, but it’s completely optional (not one can say with a straight face that Ascended Quivers/Books aren’t a grind compared to the Capacitators and the Legendaries are a grind…).

You don’t need to grind and you’ll be on equal footing to a player who does grind. Hence NO GRIND IS REQUIRED.

Compared to other games where grinding is the name of the game.

So its not required?
I want the best stats. Heck lets ignore looks completely, that includes dyes and armor.
The cost is STILL around 70G.
Add up the runes, exoctic armor, jewelry, rings etc and buying traits, weapons too. (In my case thats 3 weapons (A greatsword, normal sword + torch).

And there’s the gist of it, you WANT it, therefore you must grind for it.
That’s how the game was designed imho, you want something, you grind for it. But do you really need it? No, My thief was fine with rares(fractals aside).

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Posted by: darkace.8925

darkace.8925

You are attacking grammer.

I’m not attacking anything. I’m saying your poor grammar and atrocious spelling, coupled with your lack of consistency and unwillingness to address valid issues raised against your argument, is painting this topic, and you in by extension, as something that shouldn’t be taken seriously by anyone. And I say that with all do respect.

As far as I am aware grammer does not demonstrate intelligence.

Poor grammar is commonly a sign of poor education. But since you claim to be in college, I’ll assume that to not be the case. Take away that, and poor grammar is either a sign of low intelligence or sheer laziness. Again, I say that with all do respect.

It only displays whether someone can spell or not.

Actually, grammar has nothing at all to do with spelling.

And this is another logical fallacy called equivocation. You are bringing in an irrelevent topic to try to sway the way people judge mine.

Your poor grammar and bad spelling has already swayed the way people judge you, I’m simply bringing that fact to your attention.

You don’t need agony? Really so when you are 1 shotted by the end boss that’s okay?

If agony resistance was required to advance in FotM then no one, not one single person, would have mad it past the first Fractal. Since this isn’t the case, your argument falls flat.

If this game was marketed towards people like you fine.

People like me? What kind of person am I?

The manifesto is key when targetting said market. I am a casual. I have around an hour a day to play then I study the rest.

You’re once again misinterpreting and misrepresenting what was said in the Manifesto. When talking about the grind, Johanson says, “we don’t want people to have to grind to get to the fun stuff,” and, “we don’t want players to grind…we want to change the way people look at combat”. From those two statements, you’ve somehow taken that to mean that highly desired weapons and armor can be obtained without an investment of time or effort. How, exactly, did you arrive at that conclusion?

And as someone stated Dyes. Why are dyes NOT account bound? That is somthing Anet specifically stated.

So now, six months after the game’s release, you’re complaining that something written in an article a full two years before the game’s release was changed during the game’s development? But yeah, it’s totally my criticisms of your grammar that’s swaying peoples’ judgment of you.

This is a direct contridtion that only funnels the grind.

They’ve never once…not one time…claimed they’re against having people grind for cosmetic rewards. Not. One. Time.

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Posted by: Poledo.3256

Poledo.3256

I must truly be getting old. If anyone can find this game to be a grind they must be new to gaming and MMO’s in general. Or just plain silly, or maybe just whiners who want everything given to them the second they log in for the first time.

Yeah I’m being harsh but I am really truly sick of people like the topic creator.

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Posted by: Nibiru.1423

Nibiru.1423

I must truly be getting old. If anyone can find this game to be a grind they must be new to gaming and MMO’s in general. Or just plain silly, or maybe just whiners who want everything given to them the second they log in for the first time.

Yeah I’m being harsh but I am really truly sick of people like the topic creator.

Your not being harsh, your stating FACT!! , +1

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Posted by: morrolan.9608

morrolan.9608

I think you’re missing the word “REQUIRE” from the OP. There is a grind, but it’s completely optional

In other messages I’ve said its optional, the issue is there is virtually nothing tangible to achieve at level 80 except for going for the shinies.

Ah so now the argument shifts! It’s “BUT THERE’S NO ENDGAME!”.

And now you know why all those other MMOs are carrot chasers. Because otherwise, people blow through the existing content too fast and whine that there is nothing left to do.

So devs make content that takes a bit more time (with albeit some repetition) and people whine “BUT THAT’S GRINDING!”.

IE, if you don’t like the game, stop playing, don’t whine about the genre.

Only argument shifting is by you. I didn’t say anything about no endgame.

As for why I’m still playing the base game play is good, I like world vs world, there is no competition at the moment, and I am in great guilds with great guildies that elevate the game. But if TESO was out I’d be off like a shot.

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Posted by: ShaeMtal.9473

ShaeMtal.9473

I Find it i find it slightly amusing that people are so defensive when they keep saying endgame equipment is cheap and easy to get, yet they do so from their perspective. I will asume, seeing said people post on the games forum, that they are a bit more hardcore than your avarage casual player. Wheter or not you clasify yourself as a casual or hardcore player, simply be being active and posting your views and defending them on a games forum, you have a bit more invested in the game in relation to the grey mass that makes up the majority of the games population.

My concern with the price for endgame equipment is that it is not anywhere near where the most of us started out. I remember outfitting my characters in the exotics i wanted for about 1.5g a piece including weapons. Today, said prices are closer to 2,5-3g a piece. Not a problem you may say, and indeed, it isnt for us longtime players. However. a fresh player lured into the game, or a casual who has player 0,5-1 hour a week will not have our resources or insight into this. To them, the increased prices of exotic level equipment will start feeling like a grind.

Why not craft it you say? Well, thing is the prices needed are rising for said equipment. And while it indeed may be cheaper for someone to craft their gear with 400 crafting skill, they need to get their skill level to that point, which will add a substantial cost to this. They can farm it, but my concern is for the casuals who do not crisscross each and every zone for all the nodes, looking past the RNG of the fine mats needed.

Karma gear is an option, except for the fact that throught the game, the player is given oppertunities to spend their karma on gear and items as they level. A player might research the game and learn that they need to save all the karma they earn, but most casuals may be slightly unaware of this. Hitting endgame, they will need to grind for said karma.

Dungeon gear is a posibility, but do you expect the casuals to run a dungeon 30-35 times? they might do it a few times on their way to 80, but nothing like most of us here on the forums have done it. They wont be able to purchase a full set at endgame.

It is quite posible to reach lvl 80, and not having farmed a massive amount of materials or karma required for the equipment so many is labeling as easy to get, and while the players themselves might be at fault, how should it be expected of them to go to our levels of dedication? My theory if you’d call it that, is that a casual player will do a zone while in level, then move on to the next one when they are at that level, following their story progression pherhaps. This does not result in the amounts of materials or gold needed at endgame to craft the suposed powerplatau of gear. God forbid they make mistakes along the way of spending things in their ignorance.

Remember that the game build on the legacy of GW1, where endgame armor was easy to get, simply by following the story missions and visiting a vendor, there was no extra amount of work needed to get that 70 armor rating set for your ranger there. While different games, this was sort of what this game was advertised around and hyped for.

Now why do I care this much for these dirty casuals who do not want or do enought work to deserver some orange gear? Why should I care for these people who simply arent putting enough effort into it? The answer is simple, and one I’ve learned from a lot of recent multiplayergames;
They need the casuals, the grey mass who do not make long forumposts or post their problems with the game. Once this mass of people leave, games start declining. It may not be instant, but they will not be able to live up to their potential or what we hardcore players expect of them. I’m not spelling the doom of GW2, far from it, but I do belive that the more players the game is able to entice and keep playing, the more willing the people who holds anets cashpurse will be to fund further game improvements and development. That is what matters to me.

TLDR;
I do not care for cries of people not having to work for their gear, we have the nice looking fancy skins to prove that we have put a lot of work into it and are a cut above them. I strongly belive that there should have been armorsets and equipment just as easy to get as GW1 equipment, so that casuals will not be put off the work needed to get it, or quit simply by realising that they havent played the game on the same level as we expect of them from our point of view.
Have gear aviable that look like suits made of trashcans and rags, but with stats to match the highest tier of gear aviable, just like it was done in GW1.

Sorry for any odd structuring or spelling mistakes, as I’m sure they are plentifull in this post. It is getting late, and if it bothers you I’d love to see you try to replicate this in Norwegian(unless you are scandinavian, then it’s just cheating)

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Posted by: Revolution.6301

Revolution.6301

Okay!! You called me out on it. Anet said they are fine with consmetic skin grinds!

But not stat which is most of my argument. If you look at a build alone assuming you will buy the cheapest exoctic that has your stat and this includes jewelry etc. It is still around (give or take 5 gold or so) 70 gold.

No one can deny this since its truth.

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Posted by: BlackestKnight.1278

BlackestKnight.1278

Okay!! You called me out on it. Anet said they are fine with consmetic skin grinds!

But not stat which is most of my argument. If you look at a build alone assuming you will buy the cheapest exoctic that has your stat and this includes jewelry etc. It is still around (give or take 5 gold or so) 70 gold.

No one can deny this since its truth.

You keep denying however that you yourself admitted that getting said 70g is not a grind at all. You said it yourself.

“Map completition is not a grind. I’m 51% and have 50g”. By 100% map completion, you will have the 70g now required for the stats.

Thus there is no grind for stats! Exotics are easy to get as heck, for casual players logging on 1 hour and doing hearts/POIs/Vistas all over the world. So stop trying to say this game “requires grinding” when you yourself said it doesn’t!

That only makes you look bad.

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Posted by: Happyfool.8951

Happyfool.8951

Do you not do dungeons? because dungeon gear will help you getting a full exotic set. You only need to do daily dungeons, all 3 paths will be enough for boots or gloves.

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Posted by: Ansultares.1567

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I Find it i find it slightly amusing that people are so defensive when they keep saying endgame equipment is cheap and easy to get, yet they do so from their perspective.

Each of the dungeon sets I farmed involved sufficient grind that I’m sure a casual would start complaining.

As for level 80 exotics, last I saw they had come up in price quite dramatically since release. I could easily see a new player hitting 80 with insufficient gold to gear up, and several dozen hours of grind ahead of them.

It’d be nice if people stopped acting like you were handed a full set of 80 exotics of the stats of your choosing as soon as you hit level 80.

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Posted by: Revolution.6301

Revolution.6301

You are missing my point.

Okay now I will compare this to the only game is SHOULD be compared to.

Guild Wars 1

In the original guildwars it was brainless to get the stats. The looks like prestige armor took a while or took incredible investing. But getting my stats the way I wanted them was easy. You didn’t need alot of money or time.

The skins however were. But that is fine! I was okay with going after some of the prestige armor and what not. And Anet designed it in a manor where I could over 10 different methods of getting it.

There was so many different kinds of grinds you can do that basically yielded the same amount. Of course some were better then others but that was only because you needed a good understanding of enemy AI. PvP actually was profitble! Go figure…

Now I know about dungeons but I’m going after somthing that costs money. So why is Tunnel the ONLY method? How difficult would it be to grind in other areas. You know with green hills with lush forests around them. Or snowy mountains or rocky terrein. Tunnel is the most effective way, just because of how convient it is. I thought this game was about DE for PvE for the most part. I feel that that so much content lacks purpose once your lv 80 and have done the hearts in the area.

Look I’d be complaining less if I did not see ZOMBIES fps ZOMBIES constantly. I want to see heck even centuars. Or those walking forest monsters, just somthing different.

Also I you all to keep in mind that even these armors, weapon skins took less time then the ones in this game do.

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Posted by: darkace.8925

darkace.8925

Okay!! You called me out on it. Anet said they are fine with consmetic skin grinds!

But not stat which is most of my argument. If you look at a build alone assuming you will buy the cheapest exoctic that has your stat and this includes jewelry etc. It is still around (give or take 5 gold or so) 70 gold.

No one can deny this since its truth.

You’re once again ignoring the key point to this whole discussion. Want vs need. You want a full set of exotic armor. You do not need a full set of exotic armor. Let me ask you this; what can you do in a 70 gold set of exotic armor that I cannot do in a 5 gold set of rare armor?

If your answer is “nothing”, then you’ve destroyed your original premise that the game “requires too much grind”. If your answer is anything else, then you’ve proven yourself to be, willfully or not, ignorant to the facts (at best) or blatantly dishonest (at worst).

You can continue to spin the facts any way you wish, but seeing as you continually dodge the key points presented against your argument I’m going to assume that you’ve got nothing substantial with which to defend your argument.

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Posted by: Revolution.6301

Revolution.6301

Okay!! You called me out on it. Anet said they are fine with consmetic skin grinds!

But not stat which is most of my argument. If you look at a build alone assuming you will buy the cheapest exoctic that has your stat and this includes jewelry etc. It is still around (give or take 5 gold or so) 70 gold.

No one can deny this since its truth.

You’re once again ignoring the key point to this whole discussion. Want vs need. You want a full set of exotic armor. You do not need a full set of exotic armor. Let me ask you this; what can you do in a 70 gold set of exotic armor that I cannot do in a 5 gold set of rare armor?

If your answer is “nothing”, then you’ve destroyed your original premise that the game “requires too much grind”. If your answer is anything else, then you’ve proven yourself to be, willfully or not, ignorant to the facts (at best) or blatantly dishonest (at worst).

You can continue to spin the facts any way you wish, but seeing as you continually dodge the key points presented against your argument I’m going to assume that you’ve got nothing substantial with which to defend your argument.

I need exotic. Why? It is called STATS. If you didn’t know exotic has better stats no comment.
I’d refer you to the wiki but I’m a bit lazy.
Also Dark your have committed so many logical fallacies anything you say comes into question.

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Posted by: Revolution.6301

Revolution.6301

To: ShaeMtal

Wow you understand the point of my argument. You my man deserve +1 trillion.
I wish though still the game was more accessabile to casuals still.

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Posted by: Revolution.6301

Revolution.6301

Also next to disagree with me must prove that you can get STATS cheaply. This was in Anet Manifesto. If you can’t prove I’m wrong then this game has to much grind. And that’ll be that.

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Posted by: morrolan.9608

morrolan.9608

You’re once again ignoring the key point to this whole discussion. Want vs need. You want a full set of exotic armor. You do not need a full set of exotic armor. Let me ask you this; what can you do in a 70 gold set of exotic armor that I cannot do in a 5 gold set of rare armor?

For significantly increased stats there is a definite need there.

Jade Quarry [SoX]
Miranda Zero – Ele / Twitch Zero – Mes / Chargrin Soulboom – Engi
Aliera Zero – Guardian / Reaver Zero – Necro

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Posted by: ShaeMtal.9473

ShaeMtal.9473

I Find it i find it slightly amusing that people are so defensive when they keep saying endgame equipment is cheap and easy to get, yet they do so from their perspective.

Each of the dungeon sets I farmed involved sufficient grind that I’m sure a casual would start complaining.

As for level 80 exotics, last I saw they had come up in price quite dramatically since release. I could easily see a new player hitting 80 with insufficient gold to gear up, and several dozen hours of grind ahead of them.

It’d be nice if people stopped acting like you were handed a full set of 80 exotics of the stats of your choosing as soon as you hit level 80.

Indeed, my concern isnt for us avarage forum goers who have dedicated ourseles to this game above the avarage player. I’m worried how the grey mass of the game is doing, seeing we dont hear from them.

As for BlackestKnight.1278

His 50g dosnt come from the map completion.
150 hearts; for say a generous 4s each is 6g.
Lets say during those 50% he did 300 events for a generous 5s; 15g.

So with generous numbers, he’d have 21g from mapping, then suposedly getting another 29g in world drops from lvl 1-80 and to 50% map completion.
You do see that this dosnt add up right? Then going along saying that its not gonna be a prob, he’ll have 70g by 100% mapping no prob is just wrong. World drops + map completion does not give you that kind of money, simple as that. You stating that this is proof there is no grind, without even checking wheter or not those numbers are viable, just proves that you will defend this issue no matter what kind of evidence you have, wheter or not its correct information and/or true..

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Posted by: Revolution.6301

Revolution.6301

I Find it i find it slightly amusing that people are so defensive when they keep saying endgame equipment is cheap and easy to get, yet they do so from their perspective.

Each of the dungeon sets I farmed involved sufficient grind that I’m sure a casual would start complaining.

As for level 80 exotics, last I saw they had come up in price quite dramatically since release. I could easily see a new player hitting 80 with insufficient gold to gear up, and several dozen hours of grind ahead of them.

It’d be nice if people stopped acting like you were handed a full set of 80 exotics of the stats of your choosing as soon as you hit level 80.

Indeed, my concern isnt for us avarage forum goers who have dedicated ourseles to this game above the avarage player. I’m worried how the grey mass of the game is doing, seeing we dont hear from them.

As for revolution claming he had 50g by 51% mapping;

You’re just as bad when it comes to giving off some pretty awesome numbers.

50% map completion; say half of the hearts completed; 150. Let’s say you get 4 silver each, which is obviously QUITE generous, thats 600 silver.. OR 6g. Let’s asume you’ve done 300 events, which we give the generous sum of 5 silver just to help you along; 1500s or 15g. So at that point, map completion adds to maybe 21g with quite some generous numbers. So, question is, what kind of awesome drops have you been getting from level 1-80 during this mapping that earned you another 29g, which a casual player who dosnt farm things until DR and cramps take him get?

Cause, I would verymuch like to know what I should be doing while leveling my next char that will see that kind of income.

Ohhh no people have misunderstood what I said.

I have 51 gold by grinding. I just happened to have compelte 51% of my map to. Map money wise I had around 5 gold.

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Posted by: Revolution.6301

Revolution.6301

@ShaeMtal
I farm tunnel, with MF gear (not sure if it helps but it doesn’t hurt) And I invest a bit. Investing wise I probably in a week got an extra 6-7 gold?

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Posted by: Narkosys.5173

Narkosys.5173

please don t say legendary weapons are cosmetic

They are BEST in SLOT so basically they are the best tier.

Legendaries are not more BiS than my Exotic. In fact, no legendaries has stats that come close to my exotic weapons.

It’s just a skin.

No, no it isnt.
Check out Lindsey Murdocks post.
It will always be upgraded to BIS no matter what is released. This was a response to ascend gear. Where when the patch launched the legendaries had a bump in stats.
They are very much far more than a skin. They are grind proof BIS weapons that will continue to be bumped in perpetuity to match whatever new gear tier is invoked.

Your exotics will only last a little while longer when ascend weapons come out but Legendaries will be auto bumped and to whatever else comes after it.
A grind proof advantage over anyone else so you can focus on other things when that happens. A nice perk beyond a skin.

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Posted by: ShaeMtal.9473

ShaeMtal.9473

@ShaeMtal
I farm tunnel, with MF gear (not sure if it helps but it doesn’t hurt) And I invest a bit. Investing wise I probably in a week got an extra 6-7 gold?

Ah yeah, I messed that whole post up more anyway. Your intiail quote taken to the up by him, then me messing it up further, I am sorry.

I belive your statement that at 50% your 50g is made through grinding, the guy who said you’d have 70g by 100% is stil quite off if we go by the quick math I did tho.

Edited that post to reflect onto who I was aiming for and the point i wanted to make.

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Posted by: darkace.8925

darkace.8925

I need exotic. Why? It is called STATS. If you didn’t know exotic has better stats no comment.
I’d refer you to the wiki but I’m a bit lazy.

Aaaaaaaand you’ve (unsurprisingly) once again failed to respond to the most important issue at hand. In what aspect of the game can I not participate unless I’m wearing exotic armor? I’m BEGGING you to answer that question. You won’t, because you can’t. To do so destroys the entire premise of your argument.

Also Dark your have committed so many logical fallacies anything you say comes into question.

I tell you what. Since you’re “at university”, why don’t you show this entire thread to your university’s debate team and ask them who presented the stronger argument?

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Posted by: ShaeMtal.9473

ShaeMtal.9473

I need exotic. Why? It is called STATS. If you didn’t know exotic has better stats no comment.
I’d refer you to the wiki but I’m a bit lazy.

Aaaaaaaand you’ve (unsurprisingly) once again failed to respond to the most important issue at hand. In what aspect of the game can I not participate unless I’m wearing exotic armor? I’m BEGGING you to answer that question. You won’t, because you can’t. To do so destroys the entire premise of your argument.

Also Dark your have committed so many logical fallacies anything you say comes into question.

I tell you what. Since you’re “at university”, why don’t you show this entire thread to your university’s debate team and ask them who presented the stronger argument?

Except people will notice a difference in groups and group based challanges. That person will be a liability to the group if he does not have full exotic. To try to say that players do not bother with this minor detail is wrong. If we go doing dungeons, we will notice one guy wearing greens. It’s doable, but you will have to carry his load.

Helping guildies along like this is always an option, but dont think that everyone will be that overbearing, esp after the 15th time that person gets ressed in a pug with the new waypoint change.

Yes you can do it, but you will be worse off for it.

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Posted by: morrolan.9608

morrolan.9608

I need exotic. Why? It is called STATS. If you didn’t know exotic has better stats no comment.
I’d refer you to the wiki but I’m a bit lazy.

Aaaaaaaand you’ve (unsurprisingly) once again failed to respond to the most important issue at hand. In what aspect of the game can I not participate unless I’m wearing exotic armor? I’m BEGGING you to answer that question. You won’t, because you can’t. To do so destroys the entire premise of your argument.

If you’re good enough you can presumably use all whites.

Greater stats give you a better chance of success at whatever you’re doing in the game so yes there is a need there.

Jade Quarry [SoX]
Miranda Zero – Ele / Twitch Zero – Mes / Chargrin Soulboom – Engi
Aliera Zero – Guardian / Reaver Zero – Necro

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Posted by: Revolution.6301

Revolution.6301

I need exotic. Why? It is called STATS. If you didn’t know exotic has better stats no comment.
I’d refer you to the wiki but I’m a bit lazy.

Aaaaaaaand you’ve (unsurprisingly) once again failed to respond to the most important issue at hand. In what aspect of the game can I not participate unless I’m wearing exotic armor? I’m BEGGING you to answer that question. You won’t, because you can’t. To do so destroys the entire premise of your argument.

Also Dark your have committed so many logical fallacies anything you say comes into question.

I tell you what. Since you’re “at university”, why don’t you show this entire thread to your university’s debate team and ask them who presented the stronger argument?

I have. And they find that it assuming that you are trying to use what is left of it on the floor.

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Posted by: BobbyT.7192

BobbyT.7192

I need exotic. Why? It is called STATS. If you didn’t know exotic has better stats no comment.
I’d refer you to the wiki but I’m a bit lazy.

Aaaaaaaand you’ve (unsurprisingly) once again failed to respond to the most important issue at hand. In what aspect of the game can I not participate unless I’m wearing exotic armor? I’m BEGGING you to answer that question. You won’t, because you can’t. To do so destroys the entire premise of your argument.

Also Dark your have committed so many logical fallacies anything you say comes into question.

I tell you what. Since you’re “at university”, why don’t you show this entire thread to your university’s debate team and ask them who presented the stronger argument?

Except people will notice a difference in groups and group based challanges. That person will be a liability to the group if he does not have full exotic. To try to say that players do not bother with this minor detail is wrong. If we go doing dungeons, we will notice one guy wearing greens. It’s doable, but you will have to carry his load.

Helping guildies along like this is always an option, but dont think that everyone will be that overbearing, esp after the 15th time that person gets ressed in a pug with the new waypoint change.

Yes you can do it, but you will be worse off for it.

Been in TA ex(recommended lvl 55) where a level 49 did better than two level 80 in full exotics, done arah story in full 80 green before, and a guildy gone to fotm 18 with 0 AR, I am a firm believer that skill is better than stats, and that there is very little between rares and exotic.
Sure newbies will not have the best of gears but they don’t have the skills to rely on yet.
Those that are good will have exotic anyways, while those that say they need exotics are using it as a crutch for their low skill level.

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Posted by: BrockMcCleery.9562

BrockMcCleery.9562

Every MMO lies. The cake is always a lie.

Just enjoy it until you get bored and then quit. Come back anytime when in the mood. The one bonus here is that it is F2P.

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Posted by: ShaeMtal.9473

ShaeMtal.9473

I need exotic. Why? It is called STATS. If you didn’t know exotic has better stats no comment.
I’d refer you to the wiki but I’m a bit lazy.

Aaaaaaaand you’ve (unsurprisingly) once again failed to respond to the most important issue at hand. In what aspect of the game can I not participate unless I’m wearing exotic armor? I’m BEGGING you to answer that question. You won’t, because you can’t. To do so destroys the entire premise of your argument.

Also Dark your have committed so many logical fallacies anything you say comes into question.

I tell you what. Since you’re “at university”, why don’t you show this entire thread to your university’s debate team and ask them who presented the stronger argument?

Except people will notice a difference in groups and group based challanges. That person will be a liability to the group if he does not have full exotic. To try to say that players do not bother with this minor detail is wrong. If we go doing dungeons, we will notice one guy wearing greens. It’s doable, but you will have to carry his load.

Helping guildies along like this is always an option, but dont think that everyone will be that overbearing, esp after the 15th time that person gets ressed in a pug with the new waypoint change.

Yes you can do it, but you will be worse off for it.

Been in TA ex(recommended lvl 55) where a level 49 did better than two level 80 in full exotics, done arah story in full 80 green before, and a guildy gone to fotm 18 with 0 AR, I am a firm believer that skill is better than stats, and that there is very little between rares and exotic.
Sure newbies will not have the best of gears but they don’t have the skills to rely on yet.
Those that are good will have exotic anyways, while those that say they need exotics are using it as a cruch for their low skill level.

Not quite sure how a 49 would enter TA tho? Or does it trigger the enter prompt the same way that persons who havent done story gets into exp?
And yes, as I said its doable, but are these your avarage pug players? Pulling that off would require a fair bit more skill than your regular casual has. I do not think that the fact that skilled players being able to pull things like this off=gear being trivial.
Gear makes the game accesible to the wider audience, not just the few who have the pure skill required to make it work while being gimped.

The dedicated players will stay, they will find new challanges and ways to challenge themselves even if the gear was easy to get. The casual who make up the meat of the population might just as well get fed up and leave for good when they hit what they might see as a barrier made out of gear and costs.

As i stated earlier, I want a big active population as that is what will do the game the most good in the long run as I see it, not a game centered around what the hardcore elite players thinks the rest should live up to.

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Posted by: darkace.8925

darkace.8925

I have. And they find that it assuming that you are trying to use what is left of it on the floor.

Ah, I see. I mistakenly thought you sincerely believed the stuff you’ve been posting. I see now what this is. And as I don’t wish to waste any more of my time, I’ll bid you adieu.

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Posted by: kenshinakh.3672

kenshinakh.3672

I really think “grind” depends on the you, the player.

Leveling in GW2 for me has been quite grindless. I can move from zone to zone, heart to heart, event to event without repeating.

Crafting was a bit “grindy”, but I gather enough mats while leveling through a zone normally to almost craft without needing to go out and farm. Actually, I can just buy some of the mats off TP with gold I earned from leveling. You can reach around 350 without really spending more than 1-3g on TP mats.

Gearing up to exotics at 80 wasn’t grindy for me either. I ran AC all 3 paths, once a day, for less than a week to get most of my AC gear. If I mixed in other dungeons, then I could have “grinded” less in AC.

Also, you don’t have to buy all your runes unless you’re looking for some very specific ones that aren’t offered elsewhere like in dungeons or dungeon token.

You can play casually and get full exotics without grinding. But that means spreading out your play time, and doing a variety of things ingame instead of repeatedly do a single dungeon or farm mats/items.

Grind in GW2 is mostly perspective, and you can reduce it by quite a lot through play habits/style.

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Posted by: Revolution.6301

Revolution.6301

I need exotic. Why? It is called STATS. If you didn’t know exotic has better stats no comment.
I’d refer you to the wiki but I’m a bit lazy.

Aaaaaaaand you’ve (unsurprisingly) once again failed to respond to the most important issue at hand. In what aspect of the game can I not participate unless I’m wearing exotic armor? I’m BEGGING you to answer that question. You won’t, because you can’t. To do so destroys the entire premise of your argument.

Also Dark your have committed so many logical fallacies anything you say comes into question.

I tell you what. Since you’re “at university”, why don’t you show this entire thread to your university’s debate team and ask them who presented the stronger argument?

Except people will notice a difference in groups and group based challanges. That person will be a liability to the group if he does not have full exotic. To try to say that players do not bother with this minor detail is wrong. If we go doing dungeons, we will notice one guy wearing greens. It’s doable, but you will have to carry his load.

Helping guildies along like this is always an option, but dont think that everyone will be that overbearing, esp after the 15th time that person gets ressed in a pug with the new waypoint change.

Yes you can do it, but you will be worse off for it.

Been in TA ex(recommended lvl 55) where a level 49 did better than two level 80 in full exotics, done arah story in full 80 green before, and a guildy gone to fotm 18 with 0 AR, I am a firm believer that skill is better than stats, and that there is very little between rares and exotic.
Sure newbies will not have the best of gears but they don’t have the skills to rely on yet.
Those that are good will have exotic anyways, while those that say they need exotics are using it as a cruch for their low skill level.

Not quite sure how a 49 would enter TA tho? Or does it trigger the enter prompt the same way that persons who havent done story gets into exp?
And yes, as I said its doable, but are these your avarage pug players? Pulling that off would require a fair bit more skill than your regular casual has. I do not think that the fact that skilled players being able to pull things like this off=gear being trivial.
Gear makes the game accesible to the wider audience, not just the few who have the pure skill required to make it work while being gimped.

The dedicated players will stay, they will find new challanges and ways to challenge themselves even if the gear was easy to get. The casual who make up the meat of the population might just as well get fed up and leave for good when they hit what they might see as a barrier made out of gear and costs.

As i stated earlier, I want a big active population as that is what will do the game the most good in the long run as I see it, not a game centered around what the hardcore elite players thinks the rest should live up to.

And this one of the main worries. Those that have commented against us ether enjoy playing grind -which is fine or think playing 5 hours a day is ‘casual’. Sure if I played 5 hours a day then 100 gold wouldn’t be much to me at all. But I don’t.

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Posted by: Revolution.6301

Revolution.6301

I have. And they find that it assuming that you are trying to use what is left of it on the floor.

Ah, I see. I mistakenly thought you sincerely believed the stuff you’ve been posting. I see now what this is. And as I don’t wish to waste any more of my time, I’ll bid you adieu.

I don’t know how to retort against a statment that means nothing?

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Posted by: Revolution.6301

Revolution.6301

Is there anyone else that thinks that stats should be more easily obtained?