Anet is going to, once again, play snake oil salesman and pull a fast one on everyone. They will give us precursor crafting, without giving us precursor crafting.
Getting really tired of this culture of deception.
Why is that a problem? Which would be more interesting, to make yet another Dusk or be one of the first to craft a brand new Legendary Greatsword? And the new shinies would capture everyone’s attention, so if you really do want to make Dusk (or any other original Legendary) the market for the precursors will crash as people try to dump their hoarded precursors. So you can craft a new one or buy an old one at a bargain price. It’s a win-win for anyone except those who are hoarding precursors.
I would guess that part of the reason for the long development time is that they want to avoid complaints like the Dreamer, Moot, Minstrel etc. and make sure new Legendary models are actually worthy of being called Legendary.
Anet is going to, once again, play snake oil salesman and pull a fast one on everyone. They will give us precursor crafting, without giving us precursor crafting.
Getting really tired of this culture of deception.
Why is that a problem?
Suppose you are making a legendary. You managed to gather almost everything. The last component you need is the precursor. You might have decided to buy it, or MF gamble, but you heard that precursor crafting will be soon, and you actually believed that.
Then a way to make precursors is introduced. You are happy… until you notice, that those are precursors for different legendaries, and those different legendaries not only require a different set of gifts, but (following the general Anet principle lately) cost 10x more than the previous one.
(and of course the prices for original precursors would not crash if it was found out that they’d be uncraftable. Quite the opposite, they’d likely even increase in value).
TL/DR: community asked for precursor crafting to solve a problem of current precursors being available only through ridiculous RNG. Introducing it, but only for new precursors and new Legendaries does not solve the original problem at all. It would still remain unadressed.
Actions, not words.
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(and of course the prices for original precursors would not crash if it was found out that they’d be uncraftable. Quite the opposite, they’d likely even increase in value).
MMO players rush towards the new shinies every time. The “old” precursors would no longer be in demand, and so there would be fewer buy orders and fewer people buying at instant-gratification prices. Less demand means cheaper prices.
I just don’t see it as a problem. Of course people are going to complain about it no matter what.
The ability to craft precursors would be a good feature. Make them account bound if people are worried about crashing some “markets”. For people worried about their items being “devalued”, make the craftable ones look like white items of the same type without the fancy effects even, I don’t care really.
The ascended stats and the stat switching ability is mainly the reason for me. It would certainly let me play different builds without lugging around too much stuff.
Or perhaps treat all ascended weapons as precursors. Upgrading to legendary status will be through crafting where all the craft materials are account bound.
They should just make new legendaries have craftable precursors and the existing ones have RNG precursors.
The ability to craft precursors would be a good feature. Make them account bound if people are worried about crashing some “markets”. For people worried about their items being “devalued”, make the craftable ones look like white items of the same type without the fancy effects even, I don’t care really.
The ascended stats and the stat switching ability is mainly the reason for me. It would certainly let me play different builds without lugging around too much stuff.
Or perhaps treat all ascended weapons as precursors. Upgrading to legendary status will be through crafting where all the craft materials are account bound.
They should just make new legendaries have craftable precursors and the existing ones have RNG precursors.
Even if I agreed with this, which I don’t, Anet has been deceptive and outright cruel in their wording regarding to precursor crafting. It’s as if they are trying to make the user-base quit.
Where are my gem sales? I want gem sales! Nerf EVERYTHING!
MMO players rush towards the new shinies every time. The “old” precursors would no longer be in demand, and so there would be fewer buy orders and fewer people buying at instant-gratification prices. Less demand means cheaper prices.
For all we know, those new legendaries will be trinkets, not weapons.
Actions, not words.
Remember, remember, 15th of November
Precursor crafting is just going to be yet another incredibly ridiculous grind, and scav hunt will be the same exact thing. You think ANet would really give us some cool scavenger hunt? No you’ll be putting T6 materials into the mystic toilet for months.
Precursor crafting is just going to be yet another incredibly ridiculous grind, and scav hunt will be the same exact thing. You think ANet would really give us some cool scavenger hunt? No you’ll be putting T6 materials into the mystic toilet for months.
I think this also. And the proof for that opinion is shown in ascended gear crafting.
GRIND!
Luck = BAD
Skill/Dedication = Good… why cant this be the norm.
Because it would be more work and wouldn’t be any better?
For the percentage that Arena.net wants legendaries to be, the “skill” requirement to gain the precursor would be so high that instead of the “RNG=bad” crowd complaining, you’d have just as large of a group complaining, “I’m plenty skilled! The requirements are too hard!!! NERF NERF NERF!!!”
Hell, it’s very likely many of the people here would be in that other group too.
I feel for the people wanting a pre-cursor so they can make their Legendary. It’s too bad it feels that the way it’s set up is more as a money/play-time sink than actually geared towards the players as a reward for a time investment well spent.
They have been talking about this pre-cursor quest/scavenger hunt/new method of acquiring for quite some time now. Also having found out a few weeks ago that it might get pushed to next year when it’s almost at the top of every player’s want list is considerably disappointing.
Hopefully this new form of “collaborative development” actually means communication flowing both ways. I have a feeling though we will be told close to the end of the year that this isn’t coming til next year when it will already be obvious just by looking at the calendar.
Back to the topics at hand though, I would love to hear what they are doing about cost of pre-cursors on the TP. They are outrageous atm and have been for a few months. Fortunately, none of them tickle my fancy, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t an issue.
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Honestly, I think that this is the best way to go. The current ones retain some value and “prestige” that is so important to people (personal opinion: lol @ prestige in a video game).
Prestige when they are all over the place, when they are obtainable purely through luck and grinding. ……… Not really much prestige there.
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Suppose you are making a legendary. You managed to gather almost everything. The last component you need is the precursor. You might have decided to buy it, or MF gamble, but you heard that precursor crafting will be soon, and you actually believed that.
Then a way to make precursors is introduced. You are happy… until you notice, that those are precursors for different legendaries, and those different legendaries not only require a different set of gifts, but (following the general Anet principle lately) cost 10x more than the previous one.
(and of course the prices for original precursors would not crash if it was found out that they’d be uncraftable. Quite the opposite, they’d likely even increase in value).
TL/DR: community asked for precursor crafting to solve a problem of current precursors being available only through ridiculous RNG. Introducing it, but only for new precursors and new Legendaries does not solve the original problem at all. It would still remain unadressed.
Welcome to the practice of market speculating; you make your best educated guess on what the future will bring based on what you know and what you have seen. Sometimes it works… sometimes it doesn’t.
Oh, but it will… I can GUARANTEE you that if/when some sort of precursor crafting becomes available that the front page of this forum will be FLOODED with whining about how it’s “too much grind” or “too hard” or whatever.
Oh, if they mailed a free precursor to every player they would still complain that they have to get the Gifts and such, Anet should just send the completed Legendary instead.
“We aren’t quite ready to go into all the details here, but what I can say is you will see a specific way to build precursor items on your way to a legendary. On top of this, you’ll also see new legendary weapons and new types of legendary gear in 2013. Building your precursor will require a large amount of the new crafting material rewards listed above, 500 in crafting, and likely a combination of other items earned for completing more specific content in the game.” GW2 This was posted quite awhile ago. If Anet is posting this up, then its already almost complete and ready to roll out, most probably in the final testing stages now. I have been grinding Twilight now for 6 months, working and having a wife and kids limits my game time. In that time I have thrown over 500 gold into the Mystic Toilet with no luck I refuse to pay 800+ gold for Dusk so I will wait to craft it. I have 500 WS, a ton of mats, and im ready to jump through any hoops Anet puts out there to finally be able to make Twi.
Wouldn’t it be interesting and I’d be all in favor if any Ascended weapon was the precursor for it’s legendary type. So any of the Ascended swords could be used as the precursor etc. That would meet all the qualifications of the above statement. new materials and progress along the way………
I recently got to 200g after about 2 months of farming. I immediately bought the 2 recipes i needed and all I needed to complete them. I then sank 150g into the mystic toilet to get The Legend.
200 rare staves and about 30-40 exotics later: nothing.
Now I’m broke. The stupid RNG on this game just cost me hours and hours of my life for literally nothing. (Well, I have 2 practically useless gifts now) So Anet, man up, make ALL the current precursors craftable by Christmas, and I hope you send everyone an apology for (pardon my language) kittening around for so long. Why should some idiot with dumb luck get to charge 800g for a precursor? I’d say that’s far more game-breaking than making them craftable.
Well some people are lucky and some aren’t. Welcome to the world of gambling. Ask all the people who have lost everything in casinos about the RNG. That is why most people tell people who want to gamble the MF to only gamble what you are willing to lose and that 90% of the time, you will lose. Legendaries are NOT needed for endgame. They have the same stats as ascended and ascended weapons are stupidly easy to make. Legnedaries are a luxury, like owning a sports car or sports bike.
Not to crap on your parade either but if it took you 2 months to make 200g, then a legendary probably isn’t something you should expect to make anytime soon. Even with the precursor, 200g is a drop in the bucket of the amount of gold needed for the other mats. Just the icy runestones alone are 100g, then all the T6 mats, ectos, etc.
So to sum it up, I would work on all the other stuff first personally since that alone will be close to if not more than the price of the precursor and again at the rate of 200g every 2 months, I’m sure they will either have an alternative way to get precursors or a new set of legendaries out by the time you finish Gift of Fortune and the 100 icy runestones.
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Players nowaday asking for easy ways to make stuff or handing them stuff. Majority of players grind their kitten off for their legendaries. Sure some are lucky than others but those are small # compare to the mass.
You’re looking at crafting precursor’s the wrong way. The time invested to make a precursor, which will no doubt have some sort of time gate attached to it, will be on par with the time it would have taken you to just buy one. At the end of the day A-net has a vested interested in people wanting to use gems purchased via real world money to help speed along progress towards making/crafting a legendary. Those who have a legendary and didn’t just straight purchase it know full well each time you one, they may as well be called legendary grind weapons. This is where discipline and setting in game goals is important. I will run X numbers of dungeons per day to get gold/tokens for buying exotics to sell or mystic forge. I will run X number of fractals each week to help get obsid shards. I will do dailies in order to get coins. I will complete one map area per day etc etc..The key most ppl with legendary weapons knows is that you should be building one well before you’ve even got a precursor.
I recently got to 200g after about 2 months of farming. I immediately bought the 2 recipes i needed and all I needed to complete them. I then sank 150g into the mystic toilet to get The Legend.
200 rare staves and about 30-40 exotics later: nothing.
Now I’m broke. The stupid RNG on this game just cost me hours and hours of my life for literally nothing. (Well, I have 2 practically useless gifts now) So Anet, man up, make ALL the current precursors craftable by Christmas, and I hope you send everyone an apology for (pardon my language) kittening around for so long. Why should some idiot with dumb luck get to charge 800g for a precursor? I’d say that’s far more game-breaking than making them craftable.
I spent 1200 gold to craft Twilight. To think that u can get it with 200 is rather delusional.
Players nowaday asking for easy ways to make stuff or handing them stuff. Majority of players grind their kitten off for their legendaries. Sure some are lucky than others but those are small # compare to the mass.
Ppl aren’t asking for hand outs. What everyone is upset about is that the only way for pre cursors to drop is by luck and luck alone. We have no problem with grinding for mats or gold to make the other pieces.
But just because a group of people get lucky and gets multiple precursors, they now control the market for said items and jack the prices up. There is nothing prestigious about legendaries. They can be made and sold entirely on the market and if someone wants to pay for them they don’t have to do kitten. If legendaries and precursors were made account bound to begin with, we wouldn’t have this problem. Rng is rng, ists the worst way to have items drop.
I’ve already made my statements on legendaries and everything involved with then and how they should’ve went about doing it and that can’t be changed.
They need to deflated the precursor market and make them just like any other exotic. If you want the “prestige” of owning a legendary then grind for the mats and dungeon and world exploration and wvw tokens etc etc and get it on your own. Honestly the easiest part should be the pre cursor because it’s just a random drop.
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The scavenger hunt for precursors has been in the works for many many many months…I understand the need to get it right first, so they want to take their time.
But to this end, this is why I cannot see any HUGE changes coming from the CDIs. I can see a few things like scaling back achievements needed for LS or something, but major system changes or additions that take a few weeks or month to talk about concept, a few months to develop and test, etc…I just dont think it will happen fast enough.
I wait to see what big changes come from the CDI in january and in the first few months.
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For a small fraction of this community near 1000 gold for a precursor are obtainable and reasonable. For the rest is something astronomical. At some point i started myself to gather the components for a legendary, but soon i realised it’s not worth it . The time, the monotony, the same daily routine for gathering the necessary gold is not for me. I prefer an unpredictable adversary – the other gw2 player- than a npc. I prefer playing wvw or pvp.
The bottom line:
I agree with the majority – precursors cost too much.
As mentioned at the end of the blog, as always things are subject to change as test and prepare various systems. Most of the stuff covered in the blog you’ve already seen implemented, or steps towards being implemented, however the precursor building (and corresponding additional legendary items) is the one highest at risk to not make it this year.
It will come in summer… Funny thing is, I will be staying in USA for a whole summer and as I am from Europe, I won’t be able to play for like 7 living story updates
Region lock was a great idea, Anet. GG :P
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One would logically think that if a topic was so hot, that the dev’s would have acted quicker on this instead of tip-toe’ing around it for months. And judging by the responses I’m seeing, a lot of people are tired of waiting for it.
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“Obtaining a legendary should be done through legendary feats…
Not luck and credit cards.”
A scavenger hunt in order to get the precursor would be a great ideea. At the moment, obtaining a legendary is all about having tons of cash – nothing really legendary about it, except, maybe, the gift of exploration.
What would you prefer? 200 threads about the same topic? Because I get quickly sick of that.
Actually that’s what I’d like actually.
A new thread on the same topic will die a lot more faster. People are more prone to comment on a thread with 500 views and comments rather than a new thread containing the same questions.
So yeah.
NECROMANCY is a bad thing and should be punished imho, just like plenty other forums do (be it a game’s forum or a generic one).
SMITE all NECROMANCERS
And to be relevant to the thread:
It has become pretty clear what ANet’s position on future content is .
They’ll say they are working on it, they won’t give a date (unless the project is almost complete). When they do give a date, it usually means it’ll be ready for the next update.
How many times did ANet say something that they weren’t sure it would be in game by the next update? As far as I know, never.
It will come in summer… Funny thing is, I will be staying in USA for a whole summer and as I am from Europe, I won’t be able to play for like 7 living story updates
Region lock was a great idea, Anet. GG :P
I might actually visit you in Seattle
There is no region-lock as far as playing the game. The only ‘lock’ regarding regions is when registering your game. Once registered in the region in which the game was purchased, you are free to play your game anywhere in the world.
If you bring your computer with you (or have access to another one) to the US during the summer, you can play just like you could from home, wherever that may be. =)
It will come in summer… Funny thing is, I will be staying in USA for a whole summer and as I am from Europe, I won’t be able to play for like 7 living story updates
Region lock was a great idea, Anet. GG :P
I might actually visit you in Seattle
There is no region-lock as far as playing the game. The only ‘lock’ regarding regions is when registering your game. Once registered in the region in which the game was purchased, you are free to play your game anywhere in the world.
If you bring your computer with you (or have access to another one) to the US during the summer, you can play just like you could from home, wherever that may be. =)
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As mentioned at the end of the blog, as always things are subject to change as test and prepare various systems. Most of the stuff covered in the blog you’ve already seen implemented, or steps towards being implemented, however the precursor building (and corresponding additional legendary items) is the one highest at risk to not make it this year.
Lindsey Murdock said many things. None of which Arena Net did. She said they would monitor precursor prices because they were concerning, and implement fixes if they got out of hand. That was when GS and Staff precursors were going for 200gp. They now go for 800gp and nothing has been done about the problem.
Lindsey Murdock said many things. None of which Arena Net did. She said they would monitor precursor prices because they were concerning, and implement fixes if they got out of hand. That was when GS and Staff precursors were going for 200gp. They now go for 800gp and nothing has been done about the problem.
They greatly increased the ability of players to make gold. Legendaries are supposed to be difficult to get, so what you see as a problem is the game working as intended.
Lindsey Murdock said many things. None of which Arena Net did. She said they would monitor precursor prices because they were concerning, and implement fixes if they got out of hand. That was when GS and Staff precursors were going for 200gp. They now go for 800gp and nothing has been done about the problem.
They greatly increased the ability of players to make gold. Legendaries are supposed to be difficult to get, so what you see as a problem is the game working as intended.
Except they did PROMISE precursor crafting and a scavenger hunt, neither of which happened… people have a right to be upset about that.
I have my legendary and am working on my second, but I don’t blame them for being mad.
Huh? They have confirmed they are working on it, they did not PROMISE anything, they hoped to have it ready for the end of 2013 but a few months ago they announced that it would probably be pushed back to this year.
I refuse to pay 800+ gold for Dusk so I will wait to craft it. I have 500 WS, a ton of mats, and im ready to jump through any hoops Anet puts out there to finally be able to make Twi.
