Guild Wars 2

The great fortitude trait from warriors currently doesn;t work with signet of might or bloodlust (im sure there are others). Will that change?

My three main characters are:

Pistol/Pistol thief
Flamethrower engineer
Flame guardian

ALL THREE of those builds received major nerfs. Wow. Just wow.

I’ve lost any and all interest in continuing to play this game. I don’t want to put forth all the money/effort to completely rebuild ALL my characters with new armor and weapons and runes and sigils, and then learn new builds that I don’t want to play just because all the builds that I enjoyed got nerfed into the ground.

I have no idea why ArenaNet decided that nerfing a bunch of niche builds and decreasing playstyle diversity was a good thing,.

Why does shelter, the staple guardian heal, remain unaffected, while consume conditions, the Necro staple heal gets nerfed hard, without a reason, or without buffing the other heals?

Guardian here. Love everything except that Searing Flames (remove boon from foe on applying burn) is being removed and not relocated anywhere else it seems.

I don’t understand. Why do necros need nerfing? They have never been OP, right?

Hello, dear developers.
I beg you to pay more attention to ranged weapons, especially that which is rarely used (that is not reason to forget about it, right?).
First, I want to note that the warrior’s rifle at the moment – the weakest ranged weapon of all existed in game. It is convenient, yes. But its DPS is negligible.
- One more +20% damage buff on Fierce Shot perhaps would correct the situation.
- Besides that Brutal Shot is not brutal at all. Maybe buff it too?

For the necromancer would be nice to think about the staff.
-Since you take away some of the bleeding from Mark of Blood, it may be worthwhile to add at least one bleeding on Nrecrotic Grasp?
- In addition, I want to note that it would be nice to lift the physical damage of Necrotic Grasp and Mark of Blood. Because at the moment necro’s staff can not fully perform the role of physical ranged weapon.

Do not ignore the complaints of thieves.
Dual pistols are really weak. They are good for the rapid destruction of targets in PvP, but after a few seconds of burst, they become quite dull.
- The problem would be corrected by simple DPS lift of Vital Shot AA, once again.
- In addition, the whining about ricochet removal is not groundless at all. This stuff is really important. I beg you to return it. Maybe even replace it by pierce on Unload?

I would know why these changes are coming about. I look at all the class changes and why are some getting just nerfs while others are getting the spa treatment. I would just like to know the reason on arnets part.

Vigil.8205:

I would know why these changes are coming about. I look at all the class changes and why are some getting just nerfs while others are getting the spa treatment. I would just like to know the reason on arnets part.

Watch part of their livestream that has been uploaded on Twitch or read Dulfy notes. They explain why for the classes. The original 4 hour twitch livestream spells it all out. You can find that video on youtube as well.

So…10 pages…not going to read them all…but the lesson I think Anet is giving us based on the nerfs and damage done to necros is: “Don’t play a necro”. They totally messed up the skills “Consume Conditions” and “Spectral Walk” so much they are useless. And, to add insult to injury, some idiot thought it was a great idea to have that as a new Necro’s starting heal skill. Awesome job. On what magical planet does a heal skill make it so you’re totally squishy in a heated battle??

misterman.1530:

So…10 pages…not going to read them all…but the lesson I think Anet is giving us based on the nerfs and damage done to necros is: “Don’t play a necro”. They totally messed up the skills “Consume Conditions” and “Spectral Walk” so much they are useless. And, to add insult to injury, some idiot thought it was a great idea to have that as a new Necro’s starting heal skill. Awesome job. On what magical planet does a heal skill make it so you’re totally squishy in a heated battle??

On the other hand, now it has a good synergy with condition transfer skills like Putrid Mark and Deathly Swarm or Well of Power, for example.

But in what way should a heal skill apply self-conditions? Do any other classes have this same issue? It’s a heal skill. One that will be used by new players, especially early on. So, most of these won’t have access to any of those skills that will mitigate the conditions.

Weapon skills appear pretty early. And at lower levels 10 vulnerability hardly will be able to have a strong effect on the thickest class in the game.
The only problem is in cooldown now. -33% trait will be available only on 51(?).

MeGaZlo.9516:

Weapon skills appear pretty early. And at lower levels 10 vulnerability hardly will be able to have a strong effect on the thickest class in the game.
The only problem is in cooldown now. -33% trait will be available only on 51(?).

Perhaps. Just seems to be a change for change sake. Can’t fathom the rationale behind it. It’s not like it was overpowered or anything.

kalzana.3192:

Random thought.. If whirlpool is now a cantrip.. Elementalists don’t have an underwater elite

How come? They dont cut Whirlpool, it just profits from cantrip traits oO
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Ice Bow Frost Volley: […] Vulnerability application of this ability has been increased from 10 seconds to 15.

Am I missing something here? http://i.imgur.com/55YmFTr.png

Pay.6479:

kalzana.3192:

Random thought.. If whirlpool is now a cantrip.. Elementalists don’t have an underwater elite

How come? They dont cut Whirlpool, it just profits from cantrip traits oO
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Ice Bow Frost Volley: […] Vulnerability application of this ability has been increased from 10 seconds to 15.

Am I missing something here? http://i.imgur.com/55YmFTr.png

You have maxed Fire, which gives 30% increased condition duration. The bow itself also gives 20% increased condition duration, which means you have increased it from 10 to 15 seconds.

thank you, dietzero!

more ancient wood and Ori nods please.

MeGaZlo.9516:

misterman.1530:

So…10 pages…not going to read them all…but the lesson I think Anet is giving us based on the nerfs and damage done to necros is: “Don’t play a necro”. They totally messed up the skills “Consume Conditions” and “Spectral Walk” so much they are useless. And, to add insult to injury, some idiot thought it was a great idea to have that as a new Necro’s starting heal skill. Awesome job. On what magical planet does a heal skill make it so you’re totally squishy in a heated battle??

On the other hand, now it has a good synergy with condition transfer skills like Putrid Mark and Deathly Swarm or Well of Power, for example.

You want us to pop a defensive cooldown to recover from our healing skill? in what possible way is that fair. If i was going to pop those cooldowns it’d be before CC ate all the conditions on me. The only synergy here is thematic

How did anyone think making Ranger Ambidexterity only apply to torch and dagger was a good idea? There was already very little reason to use offhand axe before, now you’re killing the cooldown reduction? One of the few good non-bow weapon CCs can no longer be justified taking over torch, dagger, or warhorn, and that’s not even considering the absurd cooldown of Whirling Defense. Zero axe-related traits. Well done.

But yes let’s increase the velocity of Longbow arrows by default because that needed a buff. Sigh.

Please, please, PLEASE add Trapper’s Expertise back in. MY main toon is a trap ranger and the ability to throw traps is the very heart of my build and play style. Please don’t kill my main toon.

LOOK HERE!!!! IS A YOUR IDEA!!!!! Why did you change it??
Conjurer: Gain fire aura for 5 seconds when an ally picks up a conjured weapon; Conjured weapons have 10 more charges.
Can you please change like was befoure of your last update?
The signet can give to you fire aura too….
Look this build (Finally we can use signet):
http://dulfy.net/gw2traits#build=AgABpAJkBOg~
If you change the number II of fire and put like befoure signet give Fire aura!!!!!!
And can be even much better than this!!!!

LoneWrangler.2719:

Please, please, PLEASE add Trapper’s Expertise back in. MY main toon is a trap ranger and the ability to throw traps is the very heart of my build and play style. Please don’t kill my main toon.

Oh wow, WOW. I didn’t even notice that they completely removed ground-targeted trapping. I thought they had just made that the default functionality! Welp, that’s it. Deleting my Ranger if I don’t see it on the 23rd. Way to go, devs.

Anet: kitten Necros, we don’t want you to play them.

Blizzard: kitten Demonology Warlocks, we don’t want you to play them.

Puck.9612:

Any word on ricochet for thieves? No one was complaining that P/P thieves were OP, please don’t nerf them.

Ricochet and Pistol Mastery. Both those traits are essential for making P/P thieves viable, especially in PvE. My gunslinger rocked the Silverwastes gunning down all those mordrem mobs. Ricochet also has really great synergy with Signet of Malice and Invigorating Precision, adding some much needed survivability given that you’re already sacrificing some mobility just by picking up dual pistols.

I worked really hard to make an effective, fun build for my main P/P thief. Seeing what’s going to happen to it after the patch is… just so depressing. REALLY kills my desire to play the game, especially ‘cause I’ve mained this gunslinger from the very beginning—it was my absolute favorite build.

Ok, I take it back about there being zero axe-related Ranger traits. Instead we get a GM trait in.. Beadtmastery? With a chill component and direct damage component? What?! Axes are terrible direct damage weapons. What a worthless trait.

Ark Bladesteele.2943:

Axes are terrible direct damage weapons.

And condition too! What kind of weapons is it?!

Josh Davis.6015:

• Thick Skin: Gain 120 toughness while you are above 90% health.

WHY DOES THIS STILL EXIST

It is so kitten ed useless :/

MeGaZlo.9516:

misterman.1530:

So…10 pages…not going to read them all…but the lesson I think Anet is giving us based on the nerfs and damage done to necros is: “Don’t play a necro”. They totally messed up the skills “Consume Conditions” and “Spectral Walk” so much they are useless. And, to add insult to injury, some idiot thought it was a great idea to have that as a new Necro’s starting heal skill. Awesome job. On what magical planet does a heal skill make it so you’re totally squishy in a heated battle??

On the other hand, now it has a good synergy with condition transfer skills like Putrid Mark and Deathly Swarm or Well of Power, for example.

You can also choose to take Master of Corruption in Curses and Unholy Martyr in Blood Magic – which will actually serve to lengthen the amount of life you have via Shroud.

Anything about Dagger Training trait for Thieves becoming baseline like it was said to be?

So, was the “running off the edge and making an idiot follow you while to teleported back up” THAT much of an issue that Spectral walk needed to change?

really.

One of the few really fun things to do in EoTM without derailing the k-train there and you took it away? Why?

For the Elementalist.

What happened with Earthen Blast in comparison to Sunspot (Earth 3 and Fire 3 On attunement swap)?

Sunspot gained an interesting buff while it used to deal an interesting amount of damage, it now gives 3 seconds of Fire Aura.
(In calculator: 464 damage; 5 targets; 180 radius Point Blank AoE)

Meanwhile, Earthen Blast remains untouched, no nice stuff attached to it. The cripple duration is still the same.
(In calculator, and same power: 189 damage; 3 targets; 240 radius PBAoE)

Why not give something nice to Earth when attuning? Would a Blast Finisher be too much? Or, a Dagger 2 cast (Ring of Earth). After all, a Fire Aura is pretty strong, it means they gain some stack of might, on top of some extra burning damage. Moreover, Sunspot and Earthen blast were near equivalents, but now, Earthen Blast seems to just have been forgotten.

Another forgotten Trait from the Elementalist.

Inscription. We have not been informed about the boons gained from casting a Glyph. Will it finally give 3 stacks of might when used on Fire Attunement instead of 1?

Yeah, gotta echo the fact that the dual pistol build i was rocking will be completely worthless.

Good job.

:/

Also, nice to know that the only damage dealing build that’s remotely viable for Guardians is spinning with his great sword in his own retaliation symbol.

PU Mesmers are going to be even more of a pain to deal with and I’m going to have to completely rework my engie.

Good times. :/

Alekt.5803:

For the Elementalist.

What happened with Earthen Blast in comparison to Sunspot (Earth 3 and Fire 3 On attunement swap)?

Sunspot gained an interesting buff while it used to deal an interesting amount of damage, it now gives 3 seconds of Fire Aura.
(In calculator: 464 damage; 5 targets; 180 radius Point Blank AoE)

Meanwhile, Earthen Blast remains untouched, no nice stuff attached to it. The cripple duration is still the same.
(In calculator, and same power: 189 damage; 3 targets; 240 radius PBAoE)

Why not give something nice to Earth when attuning? Would a Blast Finisher be too much? Or, a Dagger 2 cast (Ring of Earth). After all, a Fire Aura is pretty strong, it means they gain some stack of might, on top of some extra burning damage. Moreover, Sunspot and Earthen blast were near equivalents, but now, Earthen Blast seems to just have been forgotten.

Another forgotten Trait from the Elementalist.

Earthen blast should be a blast finisher. That would make attuning to earth have a function that would play in the class mechanic.

Lost Ranger Trait?

What happened to the added 300 range to rangers off hand weapons? Have these just been added to their baseline? I hope it is since Rangers in PvE used this added trait with off-hand axe in Triple Trouble to reflect the eggs the worms spewed out.

PookieDaWombat.6209:

Yeah, gotta echo the fact that the dual pistol build i was rocking will be completely worthless.

Good job.

:/

I feel your pain, my friend. I feel your pain.

Rampager skills should be physical skills. Rampager should be phydical overall

So are there no other changes to Spirit Weapons? It looks like we’re losing damage and duration traits. Are those going to be baseline?

PookieDaWombat.6209:

So, was the “running off the edge and making an idiot follow you while to teleported back up” THAT much of an issue that Spectral walk needed to change?

really.

One of the few really fun things to do in EoTM without derailing the k-train there and you took it away? Why?

Look at the changes again pookie, as well as the clarifications. IIRC, Spectral WALK, the base “state” of the skill, cannot be activated in midair anymore. This was probably done more as a fix for abusing it’s ability to reset fall damage to 0. Spectral RECALL (what it shifts to after using spectral walk) remains untouched.

So, the use you have for it remains unchanged as the intent is probably to use spectral walk BEFORE you go off the edge.

Nooooo My 1500 range grenades are gone. They were so helpful.

Mortar has been converted into a kit and now has the following skills:
1) Mortar Shot: Launch an explosive round from your mokittenamaging foes in the target area.

what is a "mokittenamaging " ????

Edited cause I found some more stuff that just kittenes me off.

Lets compare:

Contextual note of importance: Oh and btw, Vigor is receiving a completely unnecessary nerf from plus 100% endurance regeneration rate to plus 50% (if I understand that correctly). The new Thief Master Minor Acrobatics Trait Feline Grace: Gain 2 seconds of vigor upon successfully evading an attack. This effect has a a 1 second internal cooldown. Coupled that trait with the new Minor Grandmaster Acrobatics Trait Endless Stamina: The effects of vigor are enhanced by 50%. Not sure if that means +50% (i.e., plus 100%) or x1.5 (plus 75%) – either way it really doesn’t matter since 2 seconds of either only accessible on a successful evade blows hard.

vs.

Guardian Honor Minor Adept trait of Vigorus Precision: Gain 5 seconds of vigor when you deliver a critical hit. This effect has a 10 second internal cooldown. Plus the Guardian Honor Minor Grandmaster Trait Purity of Body: Your virtue of resolve passive effect also regenerates endurance by 15%.

OR

The old and new Ranger Minor Adept Trait "Natural Vigor: Increases your endurance regeneration by 20%.

So basically, a Guardian with the Honor Line or the Long/Bearbow Ranger with 1 adept minor trait can dodge as, if not more, often than a thief. And, apparently “rewarding skilled play” only means “rewarding skilled thief play.”

Any chance I could exchange the two fairly crappy Acrobatics master and grandmaster minor thief traits for the relatively decent Guardian Honor or Ranger adept minor traits? Serious question.

Stompy.1387:

Anything about Dagger Training trait for Thieves becoming baseline like it was said to be?

I fear they gave us a crappy version of Dagger Training instead since they conspicuously didn’t mention it. Do the math on that skill and you’ll see how bad it sucks compared to a plus 5% baseline. The poison -33% heal uptime isn’t even much given Lotus Strike is now 6 seconds of poison.

Its like they took most of the main builds for all classes, and threw them into the nerf pool ( granted some skills needed changed ) but some are beyond useless now, I wish when they did this sort of thing they would just remove it from the game full stop,

The timing of this update couldn’t be worse, they are nerfing peoples builds into the ground forcing them to play Anets way now, combined with the disaster that is currently going on over in the HOTs topic, its almost like they are going out of there way to cheese the playerbase off, all this at a time when some other big MMO’s are expanding there games also.

Hey ANET—————-have you noticed that ALL of the comments on this “surprise” update are UNIFORMLY negative??
Balancing is wonderful—————-but I wonder————————have the “critters” (and NPC’s) been given as much “loving care” as the characters? If not, just what kind of a fustercluck are you inflicting on us? Or are “spitballs” the “new” weapon of choice for all characters"? (Come to think on it, a spitball might actually do MORE damage than any of the current weapon sets after this update)

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

Mortar has been converted into a kit and now has the following skills:
1) Mortar Shot: Launch an explosive round from your mokittenamaging foes in the target area.

what is a "mokittenamaging " ????

It’s their profanity filter being overaggressive. They’d clearly meant to type the words “mortar” and “damaging” there. I think the most common version is “that” and “its” being censored into “thakitten”, but it happens in all kinds of silly places – my personal favorite was the time someone referred to a recent Japanese nuclear reactor disaster, and the name was censored to “kittenushima”

undouble.1472:

Hey ANET—————-have you noticed that ALL of the comments on this “surprise” update are UNIFORMLY negative??
Balancing is wonderful—————-but I wonder————————have the “critters” (and NPC’s) been given as much “loving care” as the characters? If not, just what kind of a fustercluck are you inflicting on us? Or are “spitballs” the “new” weapon of choice for all characters"? (Come to think on it, a spitball might actually do MORE damage than any of the current weapon sets after this update)

I will wait and see until i can gage the new build with the new stats.

I have a question for devs:

Is there a reason this impressively massive update wasn’t presented to us as being a new Feature Pack?

Please don’t hurt water eles as much as they have been. It’s hard enough to play a healer as is. Please keep good range on the soothing mist and keep the soothing winds. My magi build went out the window with this.

camcallahan.7035:

I have a question for devs:

Is there a reason this impressively massive update wasn’t presented to us as being a new Feature Pack?

So far it’s merely an “overhaul” of traits, with skills adjusted as appropriate, with other changes scattered around to help prep for HoT.

camcallahan.7035:

I have a question for devs:

Is there a reason this impressively massive update wasn’t presented to us as being a new Feature Pack?

because this change could go very poorly with players for awhile. advertising it as a good thing and it turning up bad is no good.