Legendary weapons
To sum up: they advertised A, they did not provide A, and say they refuse to provide A. Therefore they falsely advertised about A.
Wrong. They did not advertise legendary weapons. They advertised that they were making legendary weapons. That means that they were planning to release them at regular intervals. No reasonable person would expect plans to never go wrong.
Feel free to ask them what they’re going to do to make things right, but there are plenty of sticks to beat them with without needing to resort to nonsensical horsecrap.
And more importantly, you get better results when you use real sticks rather than ones made of nonsensical horsecrap.
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Well yeah, the faster we beat the dragons the faster we get Guild wars 3.
They said there won’t be a gw3.
Oh.. Wait…
They said many things, didn’t they.Colin might have said it, but MO was always Colin’s boss.
Who said, Colin said?
Colin’s not working there anymore.
To sum up: they advertised A, they did not provide A, and say they refuse to provide A. Therefore they falsely advertised about A.
Wrong. They did not advertise A, and no reasonable person could argue that they did.
There is a difference between someone selling a box of chocolates that’s half-empty and someone offering to, say, make you a chair and then coming back a while later to apologise and explain that their lathe is broken and they can’t make you a chair right now.
This is the latter, and there is nothing in their advertising that any sane person could argue contradicts that.
You are wrong, as are most white knights as they are charged with emotion and not logic. GW2 is not your girlfriend/wife as much as you want it to be, people have a reason to be upset stop trying to tell them otherwise with blatant BS.
To sum up: they advertised A, they did not provide A, and say they refuse to provide A. Therefore they falsely advertised about A.
Wrong. They did not advertise A, and no reasonable person could argue that they did.
There is a difference between someone selling a box of chocolates that’s half-empty and someone offering to, say, make you a chair and then coming back a while later to apologise and explain that their lathe is broken and they can’t make you a chair right now.
This is the latter, and there is nothing in their advertising that any sane person could argue contradicts that.
Except that their tools are not broken, they are just choosing to use them on something else.
And there was no apology. Read the OP again. Plenty of attempt to justify the decision, no apology.
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Well yeah, the faster we beat the dragons the faster we get Guild wars 3.
They said there won’t be a gw3.
Oh.. Wait…
They said many things, didn’t they.
if they keep up their current pace, there most definetly wont be a gw3, thats for sure.
Wrong. They did not advertise A, and no reasonable person could argue that they did.
There is a difference between someone selling a box of chocolates that’s half-empty and someone offering to, say, make you a chair and then coming back a while later to apologise and explain that their lathe is broken and they can’t make you a chair right now.
Yeah, and then they say that they’ve got other people who could fix the chair but they’re working on a recliner you’re supposed to buy in the future and the chair will get fixed “eventually”.
This is the latter, and there is nothing in their advertising that any sane person could argue contradicts that.
Really?
To sum up: they advertised A, they did not provide A, and say they refuse to provide A. Therefore they falsely advertised about A.
Wrong. They did not advertise A, and no reasonable person could argue that they did.
There is a difference between someone selling a box of chocolates that’s half-empty and someone offering to, say, make you a chair and then coming back a while later to apologise and explain that their lathe is broken and they can’t make you a chair right now.
This is the latter, and there is nothing in their advertising that any sane person could argue contradicts that.
Except that their tools are not broken, they are just choosing to use them on something else.
right now, anet is that one odd kid that always eats the glue.
if we can’t have anet’s legendaries, maybe we can have our own.
Since anet has suspended their plans for new legendaries, they should put a method in place for us to build a legendary we could actually be proud of, and would feel unique to wield.
i think a lot of folks don’t want to use the overly flashy, often silly looking legendary weapons, that everyone already has anyways. but it would be nice to have the footfall and the stat swapping. this way people can see it, know you got a legendary, and its not exactly the same as the one that guy/gal has over there because they are also using a greatsword.
lets look at the formula for a legendary which is simple:
precursor X + gift of X + gift of fortune + gift of mastery
fortune and mastery are easy, they already exist.
we have a conceptual framework for crafting precursor’s, but what if we could bend it a little to make the precursor achievements offer us a gift of X, or something that can then be used to make a gift of X. this gift can basically determine what kind of footfall you make.
And since the precursor achievement gives us a gift of X, let say the precursor X can be any weapon, Lord Taeres’s Shadow or even Royal Ascalonian Dagger, whatever you wanted to make legendary. i know this can be totally variable so someone could use something xtra expensive, or xtra cheap. devs can just make the gift of X achievement super expensive so that this doesn’t become a cheap way to make a weapon w/ stat swapping.
it’d give me more incentive to make a legendary. there are a lot of skins i like more than the current set of legendaries. w/ a framework like this, i could still look/feel good wielding a legendary w/o having to wield a weapon that doesn’t fit the theme/look that i want for my character
To sum up: they advertised A, they did not provide A, and say they refuse to provide A. Therefore they falsely advertised about A.
Wrong. They did not advertise A, and no reasonable person could argue that they did.
There is a difference between someone selling a box of chocolates that’s half-empty and someone offering to, say, make you a chair and then coming back a while later to apologise and explain that their lathe is broken and they can’t make you a chair right now.
This is the latter, and there is nothing in their advertising that any sane person could argue contradicts that.
You are wrong, as are most white knights as they are charged with emotion and not logic. GW2 is not your girlfriend/wife as much as you want it to be, people have a reason to be upset stop trying to tell them otherwise with blatant BS.
Because if people don’t agree with you they are clearly not Just wrong but illogical too. Meanwhile people who agree with you are clearly logical and not governed by emotion.
Cherry picking there, aren’t we.
You are wrong, as are most white knights as they are charged with emotion and not logic. GW2 is not your girlfriend/wife as much as you want it to be, people have a reason to be upset stop trying to tell them otherwise with blatant BS.
That’s interesting, because you’re the one slinging around emotional bullkitten and I’m the one providing some reasoning to go with what I have to day. And if you’d actually read my posts, you’d know that I’m not telling people not to be upset.
As for the rest of the responses, please see my edit.
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To sum up: they advertised A, they did not provide A, and say they refuse to provide A. Therefore they falsely advertised about A.
Wrong. They did not advertise A, and no reasonable person could argue that they did.
There is a difference between someone selling a box of chocolates that’s half-empty and someone offering to, say, make you a chair and then coming back a while later to apologise and explain that their lathe is broken and they can’t make you a chair right now.
This is the latter, and there is nothing in their advertising that any sane person could argue contradicts that.
They’re advertising it right now. It’s still listed among HoT’s features on their own website.
And your broken lathe analogy doesn’t fit this situation. Anet currently has about 200 “working lathes”, that they chose to not use to complete the product they advertised. The existing legendary team’s inability to complete the task in an acceptable time/fashion does not mean that Anet can’t deliver a complete set of legendary weapons. Anet consists of far more than just those 6 incapable/mismanaged/etc devs.
Footsteps Of War [FoW] | Yak’s Bend
Seer Of The Divine | Sarina Starlight | Tireasa | Caedyra
Seer Of The Divine | Sarina Starlight | Tireasa | Caedyra
To sum up: they advertised A, they did not provide A, and say they refuse to provide A. Therefore they falsely advertised about A.
Wrong. They did not advertise legendary weapons. They advertised that they were making legendary weapons. That means that they were planning to release them at regular intervals. No reasonable person would expect plans to never go wrong.
Feel free to ask them what they’re going to do to make things right, but there are plenty of sticks to beat them with without needing to resort to nonsensical horsecrap.
And more importantly, you get better results when you use real sticks rather than ones made of nonsensical horsecrap.
Well can’t argue with that “logic”
LOL
To sum up: they advertised A, they did not provide A, and say they refuse to provide A. Therefore they falsely advertised about A.
Wrong. They did not advertise A, and no reasonable person could argue that they did.
There is a difference between someone selling a box of chocolates that’s half-empty and someone offering to, say, make you a chair and then coming back a while later to apologise and explain that their lathe is broken and they can’t make you a chair right now.
This is the latter, and there is nothing in their advertising that any sane person could argue contradicts that.
Lol what? You keep talking about being reasonable, while you’re the only one not being one.
1st of all it was advertised as part of the expansion https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/hot-new-legendary-weapons/
And 2nd of all –
No, this was not an accident, so your whole analogy is false. They decided to cut this dev team to support another. It was their choice. They could have choose the dev team that was working on the next expac or maybe the team that was working on the cash shop items, since the features that got canceled were the one that were literally being sold.
When they started promoting they knew they only had 4 legendaries ready and apparaently in the last 5 months they were able to finish just 1 of them. This is no way an accident but rather a overly delayed lack of communication with the community which affected the customers – us.
Now if you look at their advertisment:
They said that we’re gonna be getting this weapons in “small groups in regular intervals”.
1 legendary short bow is not a group of weapons. and
And an interval of 1 month, 4 months, indefinitelly suspended (Which if you wouldn’t be such a fan of ANET you would know by now that it means a suggarcoated “canceled”) is definitely not a regular interval.
So please. take your own advice and try to be more reasonable instead of defending anet to their grave.
It’s like some of the ex-white knights on reddit said “when standing behind a kittenty product, white knights turn brown.” Don’t be a brown knight.
Because if people don’t agree with you they are clearly not Just wrong but illogical too. Meanwhile people who agree with you are clearly logical and not governed by emotion.
Cherry picking there, aren’t we.
What, and picking out the part of his argument talking about white knights and ignoring the part where he says people have a right to be upset isn’t cherry picking? Grow up/
To sum up: they advertised A, they did not provide A, and say they refuse to provide A. Therefore they falsely advertised about A.
Wrong. They did not advertise A, and no reasonable person could argue that they did.
There is a difference between someone selling a box of chocolates that’s half-empty and someone offering to, say, make you a chair and then coming back a while later to apologise and explain that their lathe is broken and they can’t make you a chair right now.
This is the latter, and there is nothing in their advertising that any sane person could argue contradicts that.
You are wrong, as are most white knights as they are charged with emotion and not logic. GW2 is not your girlfriend/wife as much as you want it to be, people have a reason to be upset stop trying to tell them otherwise with blatant BS.
Because if people don’t agree with you they are clearly not Just wrong but illogical too. Meanwhile people who agree with you are clearly logical and not governed by emotion.
Cherry picking there, aren’t we.
I didn’t just write a dissertation telling everyone that they are wrong with zero fact. He self admitted he is a white knight in the very post I responded too. And this is my second post in this thread so thanks for the second half of your paragraph where you delved into fantasy very helpful.
If you want I can make some fantasies up about you as well if you like just let me know!
Have we actually gotten this far into Tuesday without any more red comments in this thread or the other threads on the subject? Ok, it’s just after lunch at ANet, but I really had thought we’d hear something by now. The player comments have settled into their main camps, the leit motifs are set, at least one poster has been summarizing the main lines of discourse … we’re going into circles now waiting for some acknowledgment of the concerns.
Maybe there’s a big blog coming later this week that will tell us about the April patch etc so they’re waiting for that, but if so, now is the time to say “we are preparing a blog that will give more information.” Or whatever they’re doing/planning, it would be nice to know they are in fact doing/planning something.
I normally sit back and wait to see what comes, and certainly I don’t tend to ask for dev responses. Yet in this particular situation, dev silence seems particularly unwise.
To sum up: they advertised A, they did not provide A, and say they refuse to provide A. Therefore they falsely advertised about A.
Wrong. They did not advertise A, and no reasonable person could argue that they did.
There is a difference between someone selling a box of chocolates that’s half-empty and someone offering to, say, make you a chair and then coming back a while later to apologise and explain that their lathe is broken and they can’t make you a chair right now.
This is the latter, and there is nothing in their advertising that any sane person could argue contradicts that.
You are wrong, as are most white knights as they are charged with emotion and not logic. GW2 is not your girlfriend/wife as much as you want it to be, people have a reason to be upset stop trying to tell them otherwise with blatant BS.
Because if people don’t agree with you they are clearly not Just wrong but illogical too. Meanwhile people who agree with you are clearly logical and not governed by emotion.
Cherry picking there, aren’t we.
Actually, if you look at it from a completelly logical point without any emotions put into the matter you pretty much only have to answer 2 questions:
Did you get all of the promoted content?
The answer is no (0).
Did you pay for all of the promoted content?
The answer is yes (1).
So to make 0 a 1 or 1 a 0 you would either have to: Deliver the content or not pay the full price. Only then both answers will be equal.
Any kind of alteration to this logic IS incorrect and looked at subjectively.
You were totaly right when you said that there are people emotionally involved in this matter. Sadly, it is the brown knights – since they still keep defending a company that is willing to break a deal that was already stroke with their customers (who holded up their end of the deal).
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Have we actually gotten this far into Tuesday without any more red comments in this thread or the other threads on the subject? Ok, it’s just after lunch at ANet, but I really had thought we’d hear something by now. The player comments have settled into their main camps, the leit motifs are set, at least one poster has been summarizing the main lines of discourse … we’re going into circles now waiting for some acknowledgment of the concerns.
Maybe there’s a big blog coming later this week that will tell us about the April patch etc so they’re waiting for that, but if so, now is the time to say “we are preparing a blog that will give more information.” Or whatever they’re doing/planning, it would be nice to know they are in fact doing/planning something.
I normally sit back and wait to see what comes, and certainly I don’t tend to ask for dev responses. Yet in this particular situation, dev silence seems particularly unwise.
Historically the best way to kill a large uproar is to ignore it. People get bored and find other things to get upset about. You can see this in American politics all the time.
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Have we actually gotten this far into Tuesday without any more red comments in this thread or the other threads on the subject? Ok, it’s just after lunch at ANet, but I really had thought we’d hear something by now. The player comments have settled into their main camps, the leit motifs are set, at least one poster has been summarizing the main lines of discourse … we’re going into circles now waiting for some acknowledgment of the concerns.
Maybe there’s a big blog coming later this week that will tell us about the April patch etc so they’re waiting for that, but if so, now is the time to say “we are preparing a blog that will give more information.” Or whatever they’re doing/planning, it would be nice to know they are in fact doing/planning something.
I normally sit back and wait to see what comes, and certainly I don’t tend to ask for dev responses. Yet in this particular situation, dev silence seems particularly unwise.
They are probably busy eating toast or waffles or whatever, since that is their usual tuesday task, apparently. Other than that, they might be pondering whether or not they should duck and cover some more, or if “it’s just a prank, bro.” would help solve this issue.
On a more serious note. If i didnt have anything to say that would in any way mend this current situation, I would probably stay quiet too, if i was them. Saying the wrong thing now would just pour more oil into the fire. Not saying no response at all is good either, though.
So far, I have seen zero successful dismissal of arguments. The arguments still stand.
No argument presented is going to change the fact that Legendaries as content do not have a good ROI; this is low impact. These are business decisions, first and foremost.
Customer retention is high impact. They can start making decisions based on what the lowest percentage of players and what the highest percentage of players want, but guess what…eventually…when you lose enough of those lowest percentages…you aren’t going to have much left. Not the first game I’ve seen go with that strategy. Every one that has done that…has ended up as a failure.
Everything has a customer retention impact so that really doesn’t differentiate Legendary content from anything else. What does differentiate Legendary content is the ROI to make it. That’s why I say Legendaries are low impact content; Costly to implement, little to benefit from.
Yup, and that doesn’t change because Legendaries aren’t being removed so I don’t think what I said is wrong.
That still doesn’t change the fact that you continue to decide to ignore my clarifications to be antagonistic and argue on irrelevant factorss, ignoring the most important one; that this is a business decision and Legendaries are not good ROI for Anet.
Lmao, that isnt so much as clarification, its pure backtracking. Your original argument was blown out of the water, and now you are having another pointless try at linking it to business decisions.
My argument always was linked to the business part of the decision because that’s all that matters, you simply didn’t understand that.
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OK I would like MO or another dev to please explain to me and others what they actually mean by ‘indefinitely suspended’. I know a lot of people take this to mean CANCELLED, but when I read the post I took it as literally the ‘indefinitely suspended’, as in, work is on hold and we don’t have a time frame in mind to resume. .
Indefinitely Suspended means = on hold until we can get back to it, but we don’t have a date or time frame to give you as to when it will be.
Canceled means it isn’t going to be done and there’s no intent on returning to do it in the future.
Wording is everything. If they were going to cancel them outright they would have said so.
Oh man, You don’t really believe that do you?
Just going by the printed word. I don’t read “cancel” when they say “suspend”. If more people would calm the kitten down and read it in the openness that it was offered this thread wouldn’t contain such venom.
Instead of screaming at them offer suggestions to make their job easier so they might be able to produce the legendary weapons we would like them to. Several others, including myself, have offered ideas and compromises on the situation. The problem is the suggestions and ideas are getting lost in the screaming and yelling.
I didn’t read: “…legendaries will be suspended indefinitely…” when I pre-ordered, yet it happened.
April 1st is this Friday, maybe its just an April fools prank?
to any waiting for a response from anet.. don’t hold your breath.
have any of you seen anet do something over the years that a portion of the community rails against.. and they come back and say anything?.. let alone.. whoops.. you guys are correct.. we’ll fix this now..
anet has shown this heavy handed stance since the great 600 nerf in gw1.. they do what they want and that’s the end of it.
:|
personally i’ll continue to play until i don’t.. not a moment sooner or later.
April 1st is this Friday, maybe its just an April fools prank?
If only.
I didn t buy Hot.
In October I said to myself : ^^ I’ ve to rexist. They are not offering enough content for 50$.^^
Now i can finally say that NOT buying HOT was my best decision in 2015.
Yeah my 50$ are still in my pocket and i love that.
Lol what? You keep talking about being reasonable, while you’re the only one not being one.
1st of all it was advertised as part of the expansion https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/hot-new-legendary-weapons/
They did not advertise it in a way that suggested that they had 16 legendary weapons all in hand and ready to go. They advertised them as something they were working on. That is the difference. At a later date, they went on to state that they are having difficulties and decided to give up — but even then, that’s still acting in good faith.
Basic decency demands that they apologise, it demands that they provide in-game compensation, it demands that they refund anyone who asks them, and if they even think they can get away with trying to charge HoT purchasers for that new expansion they’re working on, it demands that they kitten right off. And I have said this in one form or another repeatedly in this thread.
But they didn’t act in bad faith. What we have at the moment is just plain kitten, and this stupid argument is just distracting people from getting them to actually do any of the things they ought to be doing right now. As is the armchair developer bullkitten, in fact.
And yes, continuing to sell the expansion pack on the basis of content that they’ve shelved needs to stop as well.
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Lol what? You keep talking about being reasonable, while you’re the only one not being one.
1st of all it was advertised as part of the expansion https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/hot-new-legendary-weapons/They did not advertise it in a way that suggested that they had 16 legendary weapons all in hand and ready to go. They advertised them as something they were working on. That is the difference. At a later date, they went on to state that they are having difficulties and decided to give up.
Basic decency demands that they apologise, it demands that they provide in-game compensation, it demands that they and if they even think they can get away with trying to charge HoT purchasers for that new expansion they’re working on, it demands that they kitten right off. And I have said this in one form or another repeatedly in this thread.
But it’s not false advertising, it’s just plain kitten, and arguing over that just distracts from the central point — which is that they haven’t done a single one of the things that they need to be doing right now.
And yes, basic decency also demands that they actually edit the Heart of Thorns website, because for the time being, that actually is false advertising.
HoT could not be purchased with in game currency so in game compensation might not be sufficient.
That there still isnt an apology seems a bit off to me.
I do agree that it did not become false advertising until the decision was made to cese development of the new legendaries.
They did not advertise it in a way that suggested that they had 16 legendary weapons all in hand and ready to go. They advertised them as something they were working on. That is the difference. At a later date, they went on to state that they are having difficulties and decided to give up.
So they should offer a refund for that feature (as well as fotm leaderboards, ect) or offer an alternative. It’s how markets work. You can’t sell something and just give up on it without offering the customer some kind of compensation. This is being reasonable.
Basic decency demands that they apologise, it demands that they provide in-game compensation, it demands that they refund anyone who asks them, and if they even think they can get away with trying to charge HoT purchasers for that new expansion they’re working on, it demands that they kitten right off. And I have said this in one form or another repeatedly in this thread.
The thing is – in many countries this is not just basic decency. It’s law.
But it’s not false advertising, it’s just plain kitten, and arguing over that just distracts from the central point — which is that they haven’t done a single one of the things that they need to be doing right now.
And yes, basic decency also demands that they actually edit the Heart of Thorns website, because for the time being, that actually is false advertising.
But you are aware it’s not just legy weapoins that are in question here. There are several features that got canceled or “indefinitely suspended”.
So far, I have seen zero successful dismissal of arguments. The arguments still stand.
No argument presented is going to change the fact that Legendaries as content do not have a good ROI; this is low impact. These are business decisions, first and foremost.
Customer retention is high impact. They can start making decisions based on what the lowest percentage of players and what the highest percentage of players want, but guess what…eventually…when you lose enough of those lowest percentages…you aren’t going to have much left. Not the first game I’ve seen go with that strategy. Every one that has done that…has ended up as a failure.
Everything has a customer retention impact so that really doesn’t differentiate Legendary content from anything else. What does differentiate Legendary content is the ROI to make it. That’s why I say Legendaries are low impact content; Costly to implement, little to benefit from.
Yup, and that doesn’t change because Legendaries aren’t being removed so I don’t think what I said is wrong.
That still doesn’t change the fact that you continue to decide to ignore my clarifications to be antagonistic and argue on irrelevant factorss, ignoring the most important one; that this is a business decision and Legendaries are not good ROI for Anet.
Lmao, that isnt so much as clarification, its pure backtracking. Your original argument was blown out of the water, and now you are having another pointless try at linking it to business decisions.
My argument always was linked to the business part of the decision because that’s all that matters, you simply didn’t understand that.
Then you don’t understand how an argument works, NOTHING in your first post about this mentioned anything about business, you said game impact. GAME IMPACT. you can clarify your way to the moon but that doesn’t change the fact that what ever you thought you were typing in your brain did not materialize on screen.
Well, it did materialize, because I clarified it many times in following posts, giving you the opportunity to try and understand it. You simply decided to ignore all those times and choose to make a pedantic argument from your own interpretation of what I said.
Frankly, the whole idea of Legendary weapons is not all that great one because the effects are coupled to the skins and that really takes away from what is so great to this game; customizing the look of your character. I hope they have a good hard look at permanently scrapping effects tied to gear and implement a new way that allows players to simply choose desired effects and apply to characters as a whole without having to be coupled to a skins themselves.
Just speculating here but If these individuals are set to work on gemstore skins/items, the game is MUCH better served in that than what they were doing on Legendary development.
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This was a decision that makes sense. Legendary weapons, no matter how awesome, have a very low impact on the game’s activities.
Here it is again. That was your original argument that counterarguments were based on. Your original arguments were proven wrong and you shifted the goal posts. You didnt so much as clarify as you completely changed the focus of the argument. You might as well have clarified that legendaries didnt cure cancer so they were scrapped.
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This thread is going in circles.
GW2 has taught me to avoid circles.
NSPride <3
Something’s going very wrong and needs to change…but I’m not sure this is the right thing to do. As many people say, there is a lot of content which was promised in HoT but was cut, however I am disappointed since I thought that was behind us and the new set of 16 legendary weapons would survive the cutting room…eventually, anyway.
I’m not sure how you will compensate for this ‘content debt’, but a lot of players are unhappy.
And to the people who are saying “just pull the gem store guys out and put them on legendaries”: Do you honestly think that a few people who make kittening skins are gonna be able to create 3 difficult and unique collections for 14 weapons, which live up to the ones that took months to make for the specially-chosen legendaries team?
So they should offer a refund for that feature (as well as fotm leaderboards, ect) or offer an alternative. It’s how markets work. You can’t sell something and just give up on it without offering the customer some kind of compensation. This is being reasonable.
Yes, yes, they should. That’s what I’ve been saying from the start.
People are so eager to paint everyone who disagrees with them on anything as a white knight who’ll defend ANet to the death even if it means getting covered in kitten, yet I probably agree with you about all of the important points.
And for the record, I’ve just finished uninstalling the game. If it improves, maybe I’ll come back.
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Here are some of the ideas and suggestions that have been lost in all the screaming and yelling:
1. Make the HoT precursors drop from mobs in the HoT areas like the old versions did in Tyria. RNG baby. – Creating the legendary adventure is one of the primary things delaying them. Everything must work and be there.2. Create Skin Recipes for the new legendaries. Sell them at vendors in the HoT area for a large sum in the zone currency. Then make and old legendary and skin it.
3. Unlock Legendary Armor from the Raid and make them obtainable outside of raids. That’s 18 legendaries available to make. See #1 for how to get them. Though they still have to create the legendary armor. Also make the recipe simple, like old legendaries. No adventure involved, except for dungeons and such.
4. Hire 6 new people so that you don’t have to scrap the project. Borrow against a bankable asset if you have to.
5 : put one precursor as reward of entering legendary division during a PvP season (ofc still non-tradable). Legendary people deserve legendary weapons.
I’ll keep updating as I find/see them.
Like them all, and yes it got lost in the rabble from all these corporate lawyers discussing their strategy to sue Anet over this mess LOL!
One I’d like to add is a possible suggestion would be to put one in a cairn somewhere in Tyria and slowly release photos of clues as to where it would be located.
Vini, Vidi, Vici, Viridis…I came, I saw, I conquered…I got a green??
This was a decision that makes sense. Legendary weapons, no matter how awesome, have a very low impact on the game’s activities.
Here it is again.
Thats your opening argument. People presented counter arguments against that. Now you are shifting the goal posts. You didnt “clarify” so much as admitting your argument was proven completely false. You might as well have said legendary weapons dont cure aids, therefore they were rescinded
I fail to see how I didn’t discuss the counter arguments. I saw one; that Legendaries are impact for the economy. My response was simple and true; They aren’t being removed, so they still have that same impact; I never claimed they didn’t.
My claim is very simple; Legendaries are low impact content in the game; in otherwords, they are lots of work, little benefit to the game; low ROI. For some reason you’re stuck on not being able to make the connection between what I mean between low impact and return on investment, even though I have provided you with multiple clarifications, including again, this one. That’s not backtracking, that’s not shifting goalposts; that’s ALWAYS been my position.
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Something’s going very wrong and needs to change…but I’m not sure this is the right thing to do. As many people say, there is a lot of content which was promised in HoT but was cut, however I am disappointed since I thought that was behind us and the new set of 16 legendary weapons would survive the cutting room…eventually, anyway.
I’m not sure how you will compensate for this ‘content debt’, but a lot of players are unhappy.And to the people who are saying “just pull the gem store guys out and put them on legendaries”: Do you honestly think that a few people who make kittening skins are gonna be able to create 3 difficult and unique collections for 14 weapons, which live up to the ones that took months to make for the specially-chosen legendaries team?
They also have 70 devs working on the next expansion. don’t forget that.
Here are some of the ideas and suggestions that have been lost in all the screaming and yelling:
1. Make the HoT precursors drop from mobs in the HoT areas like the old versions did in Tyria. RNG baby. – Creating the legendary adventure is one of the primary things delaying them. Everything must work and be there.2. Create Skin Recipes for the new legendaries. Sell them at vendors in the HoT area for a large sum in the zone currency. Then make and old legendary and skin it.
3. Unlock Legendary Armor from the Raid and make them obtainable outside of raids. That’s 18 legendaries available to make. See #1 for how to get them. Though they still have to create the legendary armor. Also make the recipe simple, like old legendaries. No adventure involved, except for dungeons and such.
4. Hire 6 new people so that you don’t have to scrap the project. Borrow against a bankable asset if you have to.
5 : put one precursor as reward of entering legendary division during a PvP season (ofc still non-tradable). Legendary people deserve legendary weapons.
I’ll keep updating as I find/see them.
Like them all, and yes it got lost in the rabble from all these corporate lawyers discussing their strategy to sue Anet over this mess LOL!
One I’d like to add is a possible suggestion would be to put one in a cairn somewhere in Tyria and slowly release photos of clues as to where it would be located.
You are a forum warrior, Heibi.
NSPride <3
This thread is going in circles.
GW2 has taught me to avoid circles.
When mouths are open, ears tend to shut.
On a side note, according to the Dev Tracker none of the devs have talked today in the forums. Whether or not they’re waiting for the fires to die down, or their having some proactive meetings is anyone’s guess.
~EW
This thread is going in circles.
GW2 has taught me to avoid circles.
When mouths are open, ears tend to shut.
On a side note, according to the Dev Tracker none of the devs have talked today in the forums. Whether or not they’re waiting for the fires to die down, or their having some proactive meetings is anyone’s guess.
~EW
Tuesday is waffle/toast day, thats probably why.
They are probably doing what they are paid to do, and that’s not to chit chat on the forums. It’s a little ironic that people are complaining about developments getting cut, but then wonder why they don’t see devs chatting them up on the forums.
This thread is going in circles.
GW2 has taught me to avoid circles.
When mouths are open, ears tend to shut.
On a side note, according to the Dev Tracker none of the devs have talked today in the forums. Whether or not they’re waiting for the fires to die down, or their having some proactive meetings is anyone’s guess.
~EW
These mouths look like Gorseval’s
NSPride <3
They also have 70 devs working on the next expansion. don’t forget that.
Ah, here’s the other thing we appear to disagree on. It is not reasonable to ask them to take from those 70 devs. Either trust in them to make this right, or don’t, but armchair game directing helps nobody.
Don’t ask them to stop developing the next expac. Ask them to consider releasing it free of charge to HoT purchasers. That ensures that it isn’t a cash grab or a milking attempt without any risk of making things even worse further down the line, and it is the accepted game industry protocol for making things right after a serious failure.
Although I guess really they should be doing it without anyone needing to ask so that we don’t end up looking like we’re trying to milk them.
This was a decision that makes sense. Legendary weapons, no matter how awesome, have a very low impact on the game’s activities.
Here it is again.
Thats your opening argument. People presented counter arguments against that. Now you are shifting the goal posts. You didnt “clarify” so much as admitting your argument was proven completely false. You might as well have said legendary weapons dont cure aids, therefore they were rescinded
I fail to see how I didn’t discuss the counter arguments. I saw one; that Legendaries are impact for the economy. My response was simple and true; They aren’t being removed, so they still have that same impact; I never claimed they didn’t.
My claim is very simple; Legendaries are low impact content in the game; in otherwords, they are lots of work, little benefit to the game; low ROI. For some reason you’re stuck on not being able to make the connection between what I mean between low impact and return on investment, even though I have provided you with multiple clarifications, including again, this one. That’s not backtracking, that’s not shifting goalposts; that’s ALWAYS been my position.
If that was always your position it REALLY should have been in your first argument thwn shouldn’kitten Otherwise why is the onus on others to understand what you’ve misled
They also have 70 devs working on the next expansion. don’t forget that.
Ah, here’s the other thing we appear to disagree on. It is not reasonable to ask them to take from those 70 devs. Either trust in them to make this right, or don’t, but armchair game directing helps nobody.
Don’t ask them to stop developing the next expac. Ask them to consider releasing it free of charge to HoT purchasers. That ensures that it isn’t a cash grab or a milking attempt without any risk of making things even worse further down the line, and it is the accepted game industry protocol for making things right after a serious failure.
Although I guess really they should be doing it without anyone needing to ask so that we don’t end up looking like we’re trying to milk them.
I hope their business model could support that. Do you think they need the sales from ex-pack purchases to fuel the previous development?
NSPride <3
They also have 70 devs working on the next expansion. don’t forget that.
Ah, here’s the other thing we appear to disagree on. It is not reasonable to ask them to take from those 70 devs. Either trust in them to make this right, or don’t, but armchair game directing helps nobody.
Don’t ask them to stop developing the next expac. Ask them to consider releasing it free of charge to HoT purchasers. That ensures that it isn’t a cash grab or a milking attempt without any risk of making things even worse further down the line, and it is the accepted game industry protocol for making things right after a serious failure.
Although I guess really they should be doing it without anyone needing to ask so that we don’t end up looking like we’re trying to milk them.
I’m not saying they should do that. I’m simply saying they have various divisions from where they could get their devs from and cutting the teams that are working on the content that we literally already bought isn’t the best thing to do.
As someone else said before, you can’t start buildinga second floor, while the first floor is catching on fire.
Oh I understand your attempts at grasping btw, I have no intention to discuss business decisions or what not because that wasn’t my original argument to begin with.